Talk:COVID-19

Is Robert Malone's opinion relevant here?

https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-qualified-mrna-expert-173600060.html 23.241.29.53 (talk) 23:10, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

no it's quackery. Alexbrn (talk) 06:43, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

your argument is very convincing. wikipedia would have much higher quality if everyone was as thoughtful as you. quack quack 23.241.29.53 (talk) 10:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has already had to boot Malone-related misinformation.[1] Alexbrn (talk) 10:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

very reputable source you provide! i guess a dent you made in English makes you an expert in vaccine quackery as well.. 23.241.29.53 (talk) 10:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Btw, by 'wikipedia' you mean yourself. And you've been cited in some obscure blog and now brag about it. 23.241.29.53 (talk) 20:16, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Robert Malone is not the inventor of mRNA technology. Turtleshell3 (talk) 16:52, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

question was whether his opinion is relevant given he did plenty of peer-reviewed research on the topic. 174.78.59.103 (talk) 19:57, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Answer: No. Opinions expressed in news articles are only rarely relevant to scientific content, no matter who is expressing the opinion or what the expressed opinion is. For clarity, a statement like "the government is not being transparent with us" is an opinion. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:28, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

I see other opinions are present in the article, i.e. McNeil Jr DG (2 February 2020). "Wuhan Coronavirus Looks Increasingly Like a Pandemic, Experts Say". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 4 April 2020. In fact, this article is full of such citations. Double standard? 174.78.59.103 (talk) 17:50, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Question…

I’m genuinely confused why the following has a {{fact}} tag:

COVID-19 is caused by infection with the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) virus strain.

Can anyone explain why? - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 13:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

lack of this kind of proof.23.241.29.53 (talk) 18:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Why would a SARS-CoV-1 article from 2003 answer a question about SARS-CoV-2 from 2020-2021? Anyway, this is easy to source, so I went ahead and added a citation. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

This is a common fringe theory, that SARS-CoV-2 isn't the causative agent and it's actually 5G or some other thing. Especially common is the reference to Koch's Postulates, which as our article shows has its limitations and is not an absolute necessity (take particular note of Koch's Postulate's use in HIV/AIDS denialism). You've sourced it now, that should leave this done and dusted. Keep an eye out for further fringe stuff. Bakkster Man (talk) 14:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Ow. My brain. lol –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Hospitalization rates of the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.

In the united states (I don't have information worldwide) right now, the people dying and hospitalised from virus are almost exclusively unvaccinated. This is important information. https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187 97.118.95.85 talk‎ 04:36, 22 July 2021‎ (UTC)

you mean, of those that survived both doses, very few got re-infected: https://wvforhealthfreedom.com/the-frequency-and-severity-of-adverse-events-following-covid-19-vaccination-far-surpass-those-of-all-other-vaccines-combined-being-reported-to-the-vaers-system/

and what about those that had COVID? https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19 are they getting sick again?

should we split it by age group? https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/ or this: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex-and-Age/9bhg-hcku

how about adding secondary illness to it? and investigating whether there is a checkbox for doctors: if non-vaccinated, mark as covid, otherwise, mark as secondary cause?

cheers 98.173.54.72 (talk) 05:45, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

The wvforhealthfreedom.com source is nonsense, relying on false claims of adverse events. I personally know literally hundreds of people who received various of the COVID-19 vaccination, and not a single one has had anything more serious than a rough day or two after the second shot. This including myself and people of all ages and health conditions in my immediate and extended family, friends, colleagues, clients, students, and others. If there were injuries anything along the lines of the fanciful claims being reported, it would be statistically nearly impossible for that to have eluded everyone I know to have been vaccinated. BD2412 T 06:06, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

you can check yourself numbers from VAERS database.. it is open data.. anyways, your anecdotal story means nothing. I know a few people who died after being vaccinated. 98.173.54.72 (talk) 08:42, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

VAERS is a public reporting system. You can – and someone once did – report that you turned into a green-skinned, muscle-bound Hulk after a vaccine. There are reports of car wrecks "caused" by vaccination. (This is not entirely implausible; think about how many people feel faint at the sight of a needle, or think they're too tough or too busy to sit around for 15 minutes to make sure that they aren't having an allergic reaction.) When you vaccinate millions of people, especially if you focus on vaccinating people who are already seriously ill, you expect a small percentage of people to die "after" being vaccinated. That doesn't mean that the vaccine directly caused it, and it definitely doesn't mean that getting COVID-19 would be safer. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:55, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

you have issues with public reporting by medical professionals? how about with peer review? https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/07/05/time-to-assume-that-health-research-is-fraudulent-until-proved-otherwise/ 174.78.59.103 (talk) 20:24, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Actually, a Trump-appointed federal judge just ruled earlier this week that VAERS data was inconsequential to a vaccination mandate. The expert for the plaintiffs opposing the mandate condeded that it was impossible to demonstrate a single legitimate VAERS report on the subject. BD2412 T 20:30, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Trump actually allowed with emergency act insufficiently tested vaccines.. not something to brag about. Also, from science to political courts, nice move. Should we investigate court decisions across time periods and different nations? But statistics has shown 0.7 correlation between prevalence of infectious diseases and preference of totalitarian government among state subjects, which your comment kind of confirms. 174.78.59.103 (talk) 21:03, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

[2] seems above is not true for different variants. 98.173.54.72 (talk) 11:19, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Minor spelling inconsistencies

The article is meant to be in Hong Kong English, yet many of the words follow American English spelling conventions. For example, "hospitalisation" and "hospitalization" are both present through the article. This isn't a major flaw, but bringing the grammar and spelling into order with the chosen dialect should be a fast and easy thing to fix. 78.152.233.71 (talk) 11:25, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

 Comment: The article is tagged with the {{EngvarB}} template, for which the documentation states: {{EngvarB}} – for non-specific but not N. American spelling.

Therefore editors should feel free to convert North American spellings to EngvarB spellings. Peaceray (talk) 16:08, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:26, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

First case of COVID-19

In the lead of the article, it says "The first known case was identified in Wuhan, China, in December 2019." However, the first case of COVID-19 was on 17 November, 2019: www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back. This article has even been used as a source on COVID-19 pandemic. --Cyrobyte (talk) 04:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

"Government records suggest first person infected with new disease may have been a Hubei resident aged 55, but ‘patient zero’ has yet to be confirmed" - not reliably confirmed. MartinezMD (talk) 09:55, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

missing comma

[Prevention | minor edit] add comma after the phrase "regularly wash hands with soap and water" --H7opolo (talk) 00:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Face masks during the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States POV concerns

Please join discussion on WP:NPOV concerns at the Face masks during the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States article. Prcc27 (talk) 03:58, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Missouri county coroner removed covid from death certificates to ‘please’ grieving families

Missouri county coroner removed covid from death certificates to ‘please’ grieving families, WaPo -- Valjean (talk) 15:02, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd suggest this would be best suited for Statistics of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, where there's a direct discussion of the counting and estimation methodology. Bakkster Man (talk) 15:14, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hardly relevant to a world-level overview of the pandemic. Might be relevant to COVID-19 pandemic in Missouri. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Request to add inputs from US Intel/ House Committee reports regarding the lab-leak hypothesis to the history section

In light of US Intelligence and Congressional reports regarding the lab-leak hypothesis, would it be possible to rephrase the history section and clarify that both the natural origin and lab-leak are possible origins of the virus? The present section starts off by stating only the former possibility. Senior Biden administration officials have labelled both hypotheses "equally likely, while a Republican-led committee report states that "the preponderance of the evidence proves the virus did leak from the WIV"

Bipartisan sources for the same:

1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/02/new-report-says-covid-emerged-in-wuhan-months-earlier/
2. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/16/politics/biden-intel-review-covid-origins/index.html
3. https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.236.178.90 (talk • contribs)

The US has a vested interest in entertaining nonsense ideas. On the topic of the possibility of lab leaks, see Russell's teapot. It is possible there's a teapot in the asteroid belt? Yes. It is possible. It is likely/Does the evidence suggest it? No. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:57, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Likely or unlikely is not the question. In WP the question is notable or not. It seems to me that the coverage, regardless of it's likelihood, has gotten there. See WP:GNG. MartinezMD (talk) 21:01, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

This is an worldwide overview of COVID-19, not a US-politics centric one. This can be covered in COVID-19 lab leak theory. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:10, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

The WHO statement is not a US centric issue. I'm not here to argue how valid the leak theory is, only that the question is raised by prominent international sources. MartinezMD (talk) 22:11, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Variant Ordering

Currently the variants are ordered alpha, beta, delta, gamma. The ordering should be alpha, beta, gamma, delta; consistent with the Greek alphabet. Shazen27 (talk) 01:40, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Galectins

Would it be informative to have a section for Galectins after the Cytokine storm section? There are a growing number of studies and reviews whereby galectins 3 and 9 play a key role in the hyperinflammatory stage in the transition from mild to severe COVID-19. There are currently galectin inhibitors in clinical development for other inflammatory and fibrotic indications, and further investigation into the applicability of these inhibitors to COVID-19 is often proposed. This is an exciting area of recent scientific interest. A sample of articles:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0954611121002626 https://peerj.com/articles/9392/ https://f1000research.com/articles/9-1078/v2 https://www.ualberta.ca/folio/2021/08/researchers-find-possible-culprit-of-inflammation-that-causes-death-in-covid-19-patients.html https://www.mdpi.com/2218-273X/11/8/1136/htm https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.07.21251281v1 Fpbear (talk) 07:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC) Fpbear (talk) 07:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)