Talk:Dwayne Johnson

GA Reassessment

Dwayne Johnson

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Result: Delisted. (t · c) buidhe 04:04, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Being last assessed in 2008 with only few comments, I decided to read the article and copyedit. Writing quality is average and the tone is sometimes not neutral. For example the "Early life" section lists the high schools attended in unsettling clusters. Some sentences are just too long to read, like:

By his senior year at Freedom High School, Johnson had only played two years of high school football but the fact that he had excelled on a team in an elite high school athletic division known nationally for producing a long list of professional and Olympic-level athletes, including future NFL stars Andre Reed, Saquon Barkley, Kyzir White, and others, drew the attention of NCAA Division I collegiate programs.

The "Legacy and career assessment" have an original research. I fact-checked some of the citations throughout the article and some were questionable. For example, the fact that he was he was in freshman year during his time in the 1991 Miami Hurricanes football team is not clearly mentioned in the citations.

The "Professional wrestling career" has it's own set of problems. In general, it is too long and overly detailed. There are many unnecessary plot points. One of the many instances where it could be trimmed is:

In the end, it came down to a one-on-one between the Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin. The Rock seemed to have the upper hand, until his teammate Jericho entered the ring and attacked the Rock. Austin tried to capitalize on this by pinning the Rock, but Kurt Angle revealed his true allegiance by attacking Austin. The Rock then pinned Austin, giving Team WWF the victory and forcing The Alliance to disband.

The overall layout of the article could be further assessed. IW. (talk) 22:05, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Oof, I totally agree this needs addressing. On one hand, the article is cited throughout, so it could be fixed up to GA status, but in its current form it's just not good enough. Lots of really poor wording, WP:PROSELINE, the lede is six paragraphs when it should be a maximum of four, lots of slapdash information with confusing layout.

I do think it could be fixed up, especially with a strong copyedit to start. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:38, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

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Updating "the Rock" to "The Rock".

Throughout the article, we see "the" on "the Rock" in lowercase but it is part of his title name. Would recommend updating all instances to "The Rock" (capitalizing "The") regardless of placement within a sentence and would then follow consistent and correct title casing. 17.44.193.56 (talk) 15:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Please see MOS:NICKNAMETHE. "A leading "the" is not capitalized in a nickname, pseudonym, or other alias (except when the alias begins a sentence" Schazjmd (talk) 16:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

the rock’s drawing power in wrestling

hi there

i’d like to add the following info to dwayne the rock johnson’s page:

“The Rock is the biggest box office draw and attraction in professional wrestling history. He has peaked the industry in revenue, pay-per-view buys, attendance, tv ratings and merchandise sold during his time in professional wrestling. He is the biggest mainstream and crossover star in the history of the industry.”

The following videos are my sources, and of course, the videos have sources in them as well. feel free to give them a watch if you would like. i encourage you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HTfOzUWzwt4&pp=ygUedGhlIHJvY2sgdnMgc3RvbmUgY29sZCByYXRpbmdz

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dio8SwFrmrY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_HdDPDVIW2g&t=970s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QWk9PS-AoKc

Thank you for taking the time to read my edit. please feel free to respond to me as i appreciate dialogue.

Cheers Lm20420 (talk) 08:01, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2023

hi there

i’d like to add the following info to dwayne the rock johnson’s page:

“The Rock is the biggest box office draw and attraction in professional wrestling history. He has peaked the industry in revenue, pay-per-view buys, attendance, tv ratings and merchandise sold during his time in professional wrestling. He is the biggest mainstream and crossover star in the history of the industry.”

The following videos are my sources, and of course, the videos have sources in them as well. feel free to give them a watch if you would like. i encourage you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HTfOzUWzwt4&pp=ygUedGhlIHJvY2sgdnMgc3RvbmUgY29sZCByYXRpbmdz

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dio8SwFrmrY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_HdDPDVIW2g&t=970s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QWk9PS-AoKc

Thank you for taking the time to read my edit. please feel free to respond to me as i appreciate dialogue.

Cheers Lm20420 (talk) 08:04, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The content you provided doesn't follow neutral style. Feel free to rewrite it in more neutral style and provide reliable sources to support your statements. I don't think these Youtube videos could be considered reliable sources. Don't forget to reactivate your request when you're done. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 09:47, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

https://thehistoryofwwe.com/wwf-results-2000/

^ this link here has all of the shows that the rock main evented in 2000. he main evented a record breaking 100+ shows that had 10000+ in attendance. this record still stands today after he broke his own record from the previous year in 1999.

http://indeedwrestling.blogspot.com/2014/02/pure-wwfwwe-financials-1994-2013.html?m=1

^^ this link shows how revenues, pay-per-view buys and attendance peaked with the rock as the face of the company in 2000 and 2001. all of the data is there. no bias, just financial records from wwe.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/qjoykg/average_house_show_attendance_by_wwf_champion_in/

^^^ this link shows a graph from “indeedwrestling.com” (a credible source) that shows wwe’s attendance at house shows peaking during the rock’s championship reigns and fued with mankind in late 1998 and early 1999. no bias. just data.

So to reword my request, i would reword it like this:

“The Rock mainevented a record breaking 100+ shows with 10000+ in attendance in the year 2000. this record still stands today after he broke his own record from the previous year in 1999. wwe’s revenues, pay-per-view buys and yearly attendance peaked in the years 2000 and 2001, when The Rock was champion and face of the company. The company’s peak house show attendance took place in late 1998 to early 1999 during The Rock’s first 3 championship reigns and fued with mankind.”

just factual statements. no bias. no taking sides. as you can see, it’s because of these facts why my original edit was so decisive in nature. the numbers in these sources back up what i was saying, as you can see. 2607:FEA8:2A23:9B00:9DEA:BC62:964A:214D (talk) 04:31, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Reddit is not a reliable source  Spintendo  05:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

reddit is not the source. the link leads to reddit, but the graph itself is from “indeedwrestling.com” as you can see in the graph it says “chart by chris harrington indeedwrestling.com”

i cannot find the exact link that leads to indeedwrestling.com

so if that is not good enough for you, then just consider the rest of what i put and ignore the part that says “The company’s peak house show attendance took place in late 1998 to early 1999 during The Rock’s first 3 championship reigns and fued with mankind.”

Thanks Lm20420 (talk) 06:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

https://thehistoryofwwe.com/wwf-results-2000/

^ this link here has all of the shows that the rock main evented in 2000. he main evented a record breaking 100+ shows that had 10000+ in attendance. this record still stands today after he broke his own record from the previous year in 1999.

http://indeedwrestling.blogspot.com/2014/02/pure-wwfwwe-financials-1994-2013.html?m=1

^^ this link shows how revenues, pay-per-view buys and attendance peaked with the rock as the face of the company in 2000 and 2001. all of the data is there. no bias, just financial records from wwe.

So to reword my request, i would reword it like this:

“The Rock mainevented a record breaking 100+ shows with 10000+ in attendance in the year 2000. this record still stands today after he broke his own record from the previous year in 1999. wwe’s revenues, pay-per-view buys and yearly attendance peaked in the years 2000 and 2001, when The Rock was champion and face of the company. The company’s peak house show attendance took place in late 1998 to early 1999 during The Rock’s first 3 championship reigns and fued with mankind.”

there you go,

Thanks Lm20420 (talk) 07:56, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The provided sources appear to be primary sources. Your requested edit interprets these primary sources to reach conclusions, which is considered original research and thus not acceptable for a Wikipedia article. Please review the guidelines for reliable sources (linked above) to familiarize yourself with what constitutes reliable secondary sources, and provide them if you decide to create a new edit request. -- Pinchme123 (talk) 04:10, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

i do not understand what you’re saying. you’re telling me ive given you primary sources and that somehow is bad, would you like me to give you secondary sources instead? i don’t understand. you’re making this feel like a puzzle. why does it have to be so hard? this isn’t difficult. Lm20420 (talk) 10:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, we are specifically requesting a secondary source (someone independent from the subject) that states that Johnson main-evented the most events in a calendar year. Even then, to be honest with you, it seems like trivia. The definition of "main event" is up for debate, and it's not really a record if no one keeps track of it.

The only bit that might be of note is to say that the Rock was champion during the most profitable year for the company, but even then that seems like a bit of a NPOV viewpoint. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:49, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

“ *Even then* , to be honest with you, it seems like trivia. The definition of "main event" is up for debate, and it's not really a record if no one keeps track of it. “

the semantics on what a main event is are crazy by the way

“ The only bit that might be of note is to say that the Rock was champion during the most profitable year for the company, but *even then* that seems like a bit of a NPOV viewpoint. “

so in other words, even if i did provide secondary sources, it wouldn’t be enough. so why not just say you’re not open to edit man? it sounds like you just don’t want what’s written in his wiki page to change, no matter what is presented to you. it’s ridiculous. who put you people in charge of this site? Lm20420 (talk) 22:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm hardly in charge - although as an admin and bureocrat it's perhaps difficult for new users to understand there is no hierarchy on Wikipedia, outside of requirements of tenure to edit certain articles. However, we don't just include any old piece of information just because we want to.

If you did find secondary sources that talked about this, it might be different, but I can't really see how the Rock being on last on a series of house shows makes him (objectively) the biggest WWE draw. Like I say, I don't think unless a lot of sources specifically mention he has a record of some sort for main eventing in a year (not, say looking on cagematch and just taking down the number), then there's not much there. And, him being champion during their highest profits is somewhat encyclopaedic, but business was hot for lots of reasons. Lots of people were champion during that year. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

he literally has the national record for most 10000+ arenas sold out as a maineventer. most 400+k AND 500+k ppvs headlined. and the highest rated segments on wwe cable tv history (8.4 and 8.3, this is your life and the cage match vs shane). not to mention that they sold a record 120 million in merchandise while he was the face of the company and top merchandise seller of 2000.

how is that not the strongest drawing wrestler of all time? all the business metrics show that he has the best individual numbers. Lm20420 (talk) 03:34, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

look up what i’m saying if you don’t believe me. Lm20420 (talk) 03:35, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

https://ew.com/article/2002/05/03/rock-ages-3/

there’s the proof for the merchandise from entertainment weekly, a *secondary* source Lm20420 (talk) 03:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)