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Any news on the wedding? Summer's over. [[User:Sole Flounder|Sole Flounder]] ([[User talk:Sole Flounder|talk]]) 13:43, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Any news on the wedding? Summer's over. [[User:Sole Flounder|Sole Flounder]] ([[User talk:Sole Flounder|talk]]) 13:43, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
:I removed it from the lede, but it is still under personal section.--[[User:Mollskman|Mollskman]] ([[User talk:Mollskman|talk]]) 14:41, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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Former good articleJimmy Wales was one of the Engineering and technology good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
October 14, 2005Articles for deletionKept
June 15, 2006Peer reviewReviewed
July 5, 2006Good article nomineeListed
October 10, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
October 17, 2006Good article reassessmentKept
June 13, 2007Peer reviewReviewed
August 14, 2007Articles for deletionSpeedily kept
August 31, 2007Articles for deletionSpeedily kept
December 20, 2007Good article reassessmentDelisted
September 16, 2008Good article nomineeListed
March 16, 2009Good article reassessmentDelisted
March 25, 2012Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Delisted good article

Need help deleting an article

Jimbo,

If you could please help me delete an original article I authored (intelligent vehicle technologies)it would support wp policy and keep editors from irrevocably restoring the page.

Thanks,

Lperez2029 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.248.5.245 (talk) 01:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think you meant to post at User talk:Jimbo Wales. Formerip (talk) 01:48, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"See also" section

I removed the "see also" section since the current contents are a link to the Wikipedia page on "The Wikipedia Revolution", a book on the project and Jimmy Wales's user page. Both are not directly relevant for the biography article and should be removed. Jimmy Wales's user page on Wikipedia is self-referential, we do not link our users' biography pages to their own userpages on the project. Furthermore, there are numerous books written about Wikipedia and we cannot link to all of them here or any random topic which relates to Wikipedia. User:Acoma Magic does not seem to agree and they have reverted my changes, so I have initiated this thread here. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 08:15, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good stuff, but commonsense reveals that while we are all equal, some articles should be treated differently than may be appropriate for others: it is a disservice to readers to not let them easily find the user page. Further, Jimmy is known for his role in Wikipedia, so removing a link to his user page is unhelpful. I don't feel strongly about The Wikipedia Revolution, but also cannot see a reason to remove it. When others try to add links to the many other books referred to above, the matter can be revisited. Johnuniq (talk) 10:11, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I only reverted the removal of the link to his user page that's at the top of the article. Regarding the book, if readers are interested in Jimmy Wales, they may want to see what that book is about. Acoma Magic (talk) 17:01, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the book probably shouldn't be there. A link to his user page is required though. Preferably at the top. Acoma Magic (talk) 17:42, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have reverted your recent edit to the page. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, we avoid keeping non-mainspace links on our articles. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and hence a lot of "useful" material does not qualify for inclusion if it does not meet encyclopedic standards. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 15:22, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A non-Wikipedian user may wish to get in contact with Jimmy Wales and a link to his user profile is helpful to those people. I've seen that happen several times and I don't even go there much. I don't know if they used the link here, but they may have done. Regarding "useful" material, if it improves Wikipedia, it should be here. Non-Wikipedians bringing problems or whatever to Jimmy Wales/other Wikipedians is useful. Acoma Magic (talk) 15:56, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As I mentioned above, Jimmy is known for his role in Wikipedia, so readers with a tiny bit of Wikipedia knowledge will want to know how to find his user page. There are literally millions of people aware that Wikipedia is a place where various people contribute, and that Jimmy is the most visible person associated with the project—a reasonable proportion of those people will want to click the link to see what happens at his user page. WP:BURO is part of policy in order to encourage sensible outcomes, rather than a blind following of rules such as "we avoid keeping non-mainspace links on our articles". Johnuniq (talk) 01:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rfc: Links to user:Jimbo Wales

I'll start by saying that I have yet to see a good reason why this article should link to user:Jimbo Wales, but hopefully the following is a fairly neutral and comprehensive presentation of the issue.

There has been a slow moving edit war about putting a prominent wp:selfref in the wp:infobox first, and now at the top of this biog. I may have missed some relevant edits, especially early edits

As far as I know, user pages of all other notable Wikipedians are tagged on the article talk page with {{notable Wikipedian}} and dropped into Category:Connected contributors, sometimes included as an external link using {{srlink}}, but never mentioned in infoboxes or hatnotes, and I dont think Jimmy's bio should be an exception. John Vandenberg (chat) 06:20, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you JV for initiating the RFC. I am against linking to Jimmy's userpage via hatnotes or infoboxes from the mainspace article as per your commentary and the reasons which I have stated in the section above. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 08:59, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I concur that his page should get standard notability treatment.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:50, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keeping a small link to User:Jimbo Wales in his infobox was a seemingly reasonable exception to an otherwise perfectly valid guideline about cross-namespace links, considering his position. I liked it. ζompuλacker (tlk) 12:58, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • G'day CompuHacker. Was this exception discussed somewhere? John Vandenberg (chat) 13:33, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Of course not, that would be too easy. I knew that it was generally frowned to link to user pages and did it anyway, because I thought it was a good idea. ζompuλacker (tlk) 15:54, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • It isn't an exception, though. It breaks on Wikipedia mirrors and has all of the same problems that any other cross-namespace internal link, that crosses the boundary from the encyclopaedia content to the plumbing, has. Uncle G (talk) 21:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ultimately, it is going to come down to why should we make an exception. Jimbo is very "special" to us all (well most of us anyways), but that is not a practical reason. A more practical reason is people who are not familiar with how Wikipedia works will come to this article and this talk page and try to leave messages for Jimbo. Putting a link in the hat note or towards the top or the article would help direct them to the correct page. I am not saying this compelling enough reason to make an exception, since there are clearly people who are annoyed at the idea of treating Jimbo's page different. I'm aware there are lots of people who watch this page and will direct them to the correct page, but this would help people find it themselves. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 17:29, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's helpful for people to get in contact with Jimmy, especially those who are unfamiliar with Wikipedia. That's a good enough reason to keep a short sentence at the top of the article. Acoma Magic (talk) 21:20, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • In what scenario are people going to have difficulty contacting Jimmy, *and* would find communicating via wiki text easier than other forms of online communications?
      http://jimmywales.com/ is his homepage; it lists twitter and facebook as ways of contacting him, and I expect that is the preferred way for people to get in contact with him. He doesnt list his email address on his website, except for for speaking requests where it offers walesgroup@harrywalker.com, and he also doesnt link to his enwp user page. John Vandenberg (chat) 23:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Most contact via his user page will only be concerning Wikipedia. Some issues concerning Wikipedia will be discussed via his user page. Other issues will usually go through what you mentioned. Acoma Magic (talk) 23:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • This is a non-issue for an encyclopedia. We are primarily concerned with maintaining encyclopedic styles and standards. Most of the comments on his talk page are misplaced anyway, they should be reported on other forums. If someone is in need of getting in touch with him, they can reach him through his website, email or his user page which, actually, is the second page which turns up when you google his name. We cannot justify the practice of placing user page links in hatnotes of encyclopedia articles, much like we cannot justify doing it for any other biography articles. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 02:16, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • My opinion: The link to his user page should not be in the intro. There is a link to his userpage in the external links section and that is OK. Iselilja (talk) 09:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weakly against link - Honestly it does seem a little unusual to have the link to his user page; however, I think it would be hard for folks to deny that Wales is special. ζompuλacker's "reasonable exception" logic holds water. In the end though, I think Mr. Wales' user page is plenty easy to find. I'm not sure linking to it is really that helpful. NickCT (talk) 17:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose linking to Jimbo's user page in mainspace, but the supporters have a point - this page gets used a lot by people trying to contact Jimbo. It might be a good idea to have a custom template at the top of this talk page; similar to the standard talk header, but expanded to read "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Jimmy Wales article. To contact Jimmy Wales, please visit User talk:Jimbo Wales", with maybe some other contact details. DoctorKubla (talk) 15:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support linking to Jimbo's user page at the top of this talk page. I am also okay with a link at the top of the article page. Part of Wikipedia's charm or aura is that the man who started it all makes himself available to the rank and file. When I first discovered this my appreciation for the ways of wikipedia went up considerably. For the founder to be so accessible is important, IMO. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 02:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support I really don't think it matters much one way or the other -- the fact that this article has over 1000 watchers and so few comments (I'm here as a result of a solicitation from the RFC Bot) seems to suggest that may be a common belief. In any event, a new or infrequent reader arriving here in error should have a one-stroke option to find what they're looking for (someone above says this happens frequently). In order to find the user page from this article, the only way to do it is to type "USER:Jimmy Wales" in the search -- I noted that simply typing "user jimmy wales" (which an unfamiliar reader would probably do) doesn't bring up the user page. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 16:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose linkage as the infobox link does not further the encyclopedic value of the article. The only valid reason for anything being in any article is to provide useful information to the reader - where no such value is apparent, I suggest the material is not of value to the purpose of Wikipedia - to provide a free encyclopedia. Collect (talk) 23:41, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose linkage but i do like doc kubla's suggestion very much. Soosim (talk) 07:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose linkage—I'm a little surprised that this is controversial. Linking to his blog makes sense; linking to his user page doesn't. If Sting started editing Wikipedia, would we put a link to his user page on his bio page? No, because his editing has nothing to do with his bio. The argument about cross-namespace links is also convincing to me. Abhayakara (talk) 02:16, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose no reason for an exception. We can provide a link here if its really needed. Hot Stop (Edits) 13:27, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While Jimbo is indeed special to many of us (hey, it's his appeal that got me contributing money and time), but I think that consistency is important and therefore, I am against an exception being made. Thanks for the RFC. Vertium When all is said and done 01:21, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Users dont always know that this forum is open to all. 176.222.33.57 (talk) 00:07, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How much does Jimmy make from all Wiki pursuits?

Given the current and frequent pleas for money, I'm interested in knowing how much Wales personally takes from the revenue generated by donations. Why is this information hidden? It's a fair question, no? The answer should be published within the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.121.56.184 (talk) 13:58, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In what way are you entitled to know? Why don't you feel that this is a personal question?
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:02, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Because the foundation is asking for donations again, and as a donor, do I not have the right to ask where the money goes? I'm not interested in Wales' income or net worth outside of Wiki. I just want to know where the revenue from donations goes, and I think it should be included in the article how much Wales personally takes from donations. That's all. As a donor, I'm absolutely entitled to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.121.56.184 (talk) 14:07, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This may not count as a reliable source for the article but I think it lays out the gist of what you are looking for.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:18, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Jimbo has said on many occasions that he earns no salary from the Wikimedia Foundation and none of the donations go to him (see User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_68, for example). Since the WikiMedia Foundation is a non-profit organization, financial records are public. You can find some information here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/FAQ/en (specifically the section titled "If I donate to Wikimedia, where does my money go? " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.177.1.210 (talk) 14:15, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Does anyone know how much of the donation revenue (indirectly, I guess) goes to Wales as head of Wikia? Presumably Wikipedia pays some kind of royalty for the use of the technology developed by Wales? Who decides how much this is? No ill-intent meant, I'm just after some info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.121.56.184 (talk) 14:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To answer the question, although I suspect that since someone is sincerely asking, we might regard it as an editorial failure of the article that we don't explain it there as well. There's good information up above. I take neither salary nor expenses from the Wikimedia Foundation, and that includes my travel to and from board meetings, accommodation for board meetings, travel to and from Wikimania, accommodation there, etc. No donation revenue goes directly or indirectly to Wikia. Wikipedia pays no royalties for technology developed by me (and there's none of that anyway, to be sure!) "Who decides how much this is?" Well, referring to royalties, the question doesn't make sense, since there's no such thing. In terms of my expenses, it is my choice to forego the standard expenses given to board members.
Trying to be sure to cover all the bases here. I sometimes accept meals during board meetings, including board dinners. I will often get a free softdrink and snacks during board meetings. I have sometimes accepted a flight from the UK to Germany, paid for by the German chapter, in order to let them film me for a fundraising/prmotional video - but I have also come to Germany to give a speech in exchange for a donation of tens of thousands of dollars to them, so they've made good money on me.  :-)
I am a board member at Wikia, but there too I do not take a salary nor expenses.
I make my living on a day-to-day basis by giving inspirational speeches to big companies and tech conferences. I charge a lot of money for this, and my customers are very happy.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 08:09, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wedding

Any news on the wedding? Summer's over. Sole Flounder (talk) 13:43, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it from the lede, but it is still under personal section.--Mollskman (talk) 14:41, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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