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Barnstar

		The Teamwork Barnstar
		Your efforts and smooth co-ordination with other editors have helped in improving in various articles, such as the Wahhabism article. Thank you for the good quality work you have done and keep it up to improve more articles! Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 08:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

I like how it looks

Although you did this unilaterally before waiting for consensus, I must confess like it. I don't think any reasonable editor would object. Do you have an idea how can we decrease this big section in order to reduce that entire article from 140kb to less than 100, while leaving the post-1948 details for the new one? That would solve the size problem once and for all. The issue is figuring out what to leave out. The wars and main political developments and treaties must be left alone, but we can remove the details and specific elections. I can try to do it myself, but I'm not sure. Dovidroth (talk) 04:15, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Dovidroth: Well, there are plenty of wholly unsourced paragraphs that beg for scrutiny - and though many contain fairly vital facts, just as many contain more editorialized elements as well. But yes, it's mainly an exercise in trimming detail. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:49, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Dovidroth: Thanks for this - that was accidentally sloppy - I meant to clean up the headers and links, but briefly paused to think about where the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem link should end up and obviously got distracted off-task. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:21, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

The Qods News Agency source Ghassan Kanafani page

Hey Iskandar, I have an idea for that Quds source in the Ghassan Kanafani article where besides the source in the text we could place a . Like this : Ghassan Fayiz Kanafani was born in 1936 into a middle-class Palestinian Sunni family with a Kurdish background. (the External Link citation).

Tell me what you think. Talibaltarikh (talk) 21:07, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

@Talibaltarikh: You don't need anyone's permission to add bsn tags, but yeah, sure, that's done. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:50, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Metal Ages

Good new article, can't believe it didn't already exist. Greetings from Los Angeles,  // Timothy :: talk  13:09, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Your recent work

@Iskandar323 Thanks for your work on the history of Israel, which is a very difficult and important topic. If you're ever looking for a helping hand, please do feel free to reach out. I don't specialize in the Middle East, but have sufficient (basic) knowledge of the topic to assist with sourcing, additional literature research. As for History of Israel (1948--present) I think that the page could really benefit from lead expansion to include more information about the country itself beyond the ongoing conflict, and that's also something I'd be happy to help with. Ppt91^talk 16:14, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

@Ppt91: Hi, yep, the lead is currently something of stub that is only marginally expanded from the relevant chronological section of the lead in the parent article with a few additional details. It probably needs at least a sentence per (sub-)section. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring in Banu Nadir

A user has been removing source information and has refused to give a decent reason why

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Nadir

Please do check it out and see what the issue is. 2A02:C7C:30D9:C400:4936:1F77:74D5:3D68 (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Nakba

@User:Iskandar323 Hi. I've noticed you've done work on the Ongoing Nakba and other Palestinian topics. I started the article on anti-Palestinianism. I've been thinking about the phenomenon of what I guess could be called Nakba denial or Nakba minimization, some of which has been official Israeli government policy. Wondering if you had an opinion on whether there would be enough sources on the subject and what a proper name might be. Thank you. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 17:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

https://www.un.org/unispal/nakba75/ on 15 May, should provide you with plenty of material from the current IsGov crew.

I would support Nakba denial. Selfstudier (talk) 17:44, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Nakba denial has been at the back of my mind as a page that needs creating too. There are without a doubt plenty of sources out there to support this. Alongside "Nakba denial" per se, see also: "Nakba memoricide" and Nakba burial. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:19, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Name

Greetings, I would appreciate your assistance in finding an alternate singular reference for the name "Awwad Sa'ud al-'Awwad," as my search efforts have been unsuccessful thus far. Sarah SchneiderCH (talk) 03:20, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Sarah SchneiderCH: One cross-reference pops up on Google Scholar that broadly confirms Al-Awwad's specialism. I fear that whatever works are being referenced may not be digitalized and instead be confined to physical collections. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:14, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I searched for sources and individuals who could support his claims, but was unable to find any. However, I managed to include the claims in the article. Thank you for your excellent collaboration. Sarah SchneiderCH (talk) 12:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring regarding the Inclusion of an Image

Hello sir. There is edit war going on in "Women in Islam" with me and another user, on the matter of including image of Taliban beating up women. I have found that this image grossly violates the fundamental principles outlined in Wikipedia's policies on WP:Neutral point of view and WP:Relevance. This image is already included on multiple other pages and articles dedicated to covering the brutalities of the Taliban and as it should be. If you are reading general article about Women in Islam and right ahead you present a picture of Taliban beating up a woman, it seems unencyclopedic and looks more like its put there by a troll. Taliban practices are considered fringy and extreme by muslims worldwide. StarkReport (talk) 13:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@StarkReport: Ok, yes, an addition with a not particularly constructive-sounding edit summary. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Khader Adnan

On 3 May 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Khader Adnan, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Black Kite (talk) 18:00, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

g Swag Lord 4444 (talk) 19:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Credit to blocked sock?

See this coming from a place of lack of understanding. Is it appropriate to "credit" Maharaja of India here? He was blocked for sockpuppetry. >>> Extorc.talk 13:12, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Extorc: Sorry. Didn't check the users, per se, just the contributions. Feel free to remove if I don't get there first. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:34, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I have done that. >>> Extorc.talk 15:21, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Caesarea

I’ll offer another compromise, how about we also include the term Land of Israel as well if we are to include Palestinian in referring to the land, which will clear up any issues about the context the source was issued in. Salandarianflag (talk) 11:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it is a fair compromise. Salandarianflag (talk) 12:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

The place for content discussions is on the talk pages of the pages in question, not user pages. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Reported

I have issued a complaint against you since I feel that you have harassed me as you are discrediting my sources on no reasonable ground. Salandarianflag (talk) 13:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC) Salandarianflag (talk) 13:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:BOOMERANG seems applicable here. Selfstudier (talk) 15:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Ancient Easter eggs

As you did at Yahwism. Thanks. Tombah (talk) 08:30, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tombah: The lead summary is a WP:SUMMARY, not a bunch of author-specific quotes. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:13, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

It was never an author-specific quote. for some reason you chose to replace the term "Ancient Israel", that the author himself uses, with "Ancient Israelites". Why? Tombah (talk) 09:27, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Because the latter is clear. "Ancient Israel" is not a self-explanatory term, but ambiguous. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Cedid Atlas

Hello! I would like help with atlas. what does the writing inside the red bar mean? if I can see settlements well I can also see a route. the sanjak of Arad/Gyula was here. can the circles mark some Turkish palanquin castles?

Thanks. VIKTOR

[1]https://ibb.co/9gtFcqH Lukacsviktor88 (talk) 19:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

The image on that link just doesn't display for me, so sorry, can't really help. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Twelver Imams lineage.

I kindly request you to remove this misleading statement. There is no accepted historical evidence or consensus suggesting that the Twelver Shia imams were born to concubines. It's important to verify such specific claims and statements with reliable sources to ensure accurate information.

Twelver Shia Islam, one of the major branches of Shia Islam, holds that the imams were born to their fathers' legitimate wives, as per the commonly accepted historical narrative. By perpetuating such an unsubstantiated claim, the credibility of Wikipedia as a reliable source is compromised. 39.41.223.69 (talk) 10:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

There's a reliable source establishing it; that's all Wikipedia needs. Also children born of concubines were not illegitimate under Islam in the Middle Ages: it was totally legitimate; hence why so many Abbasid caliphs were the sons of concubines. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:55, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Whether children of concubines were considered legitimate or not and whether Abbasid caliphs were the sons of concubines or not, the particular claim you are putting forth is unfounded.

Given the significance of the claim that Twelver Shia imams were born to concubines, it is crucial to substantiate this assertion with substantial evidence from multiple reliable sources. The birth of influential religious figures carries historical and theological importance, requiring meticulous investigation and scholarly consensus. By relying on a single shaky source, we are perpetuating a biased and distorted view of history. This invokes WP:ONESOURCE.

As a responsible editor, it is incumbent upon you to consider self-reverting your edit. 39.41.223.69 (talk) 15:36, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

The source is an academic work specific to the subject, written by a professor of Islamic history, so unless you have a source of equal standing that contests this information, then there is no scholarly debate and nothing to discuss. Middle Eastern genealogical histories tend to fixate on patriarchal descent, so I actually fail to see the importance one way or the other. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

MEK RFCs

Hi Iskandar323, since there are quite a few stuck discussions, it seems a few RFCs will be required. I plan to create one to remove the "main opposition group" claim, and I'm up for collaboration if you're willing to draft and propose them together. What do you think? What are the top priority topics for RFCs? Best, MarioGom (talk) 16:14, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

@MarioGom: Yes, the erroneous and misleading claim in the first paragraph is a large outstanding NPOV issue, and yes, the only way to resolve that is likely going to be through a renewed RFC on the matter. And you've already compiled sources. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:16, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for 2023 Messenia migrant boat disaster

On 15 June 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article 2023 Messenia migrant boat disaster, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Ad Orientem (talk) 14:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Ben Roberts-Smith

Hi, I've started an RfC on the talkpage of Ben Roberts-Smith that may be of interest to you. AlanS^talk 09:24, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Salaman

Been reading this: https://www.jstor.org/stable/4467695 Loads on Redcliffe Nathan Salaman. Very interesting. BobFromBrockley (talk) 17:16, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@Bobfrombrockley: I personally love that, whatever the context in which Salaman is mentioned, the first thing that it is done is a name drop of his book on potatoes. My how that potato book has flown! Iskandar323 (talk) 17:22, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Perfect! BobFromBrockley (talk) 08:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

One of the problems in this area is that people tend to drift to the sexy stuff, political conflicts, to the detrimkent of coverage of bios of historical actors not deemed of the first rank or water. Working them up is relaxing, a relief from conflict, and, more importantly, indirectly illuminates readers' general knowledge of the vastly more intricate background, with all of its complexities, which we only graze past in the 'big' 'political' articles. We should remind ourselves more often of this, and look around to see if a few hours work can restore the honour to, do justice to, important lives descanted from the major narratives.Nishidani (talk) 12:31, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Jaffa cakes

Hey I only ended up at the article because I couldn't remember if it was a biscuit or a cake. However, I hope you're content to keep some reference to the machine vision bit - the detail really isn't adding anything to the jaffa cake article. Friendly regards, Springnuts (talk) 20:08, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

You just need to remember that cakes harden when they go stale. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:58, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Some kubbah for you!

A fancy feast ... from the Middle East

For getting into the real meat and potatoes and sorting out the various sabbath stews. Havradim leaf a message 21:36, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Please join us in this RfC talk

Hey Iskandar323,

please join us at the RfC talk of RfC about arabs being ethnolinguistic group to help build a better objective talk. Both users M.Bitton and Skitash for some reason personalized the talk, this personalization predates this rfc. I don’t want to assume a bad faith in them but their edit history seems to promote a berberist direction. They even removed significant amount of sourced contents from the article unrelated to the topic we are discussing (e.g filling the blank genetics section in summarative way) even after it was WP:EDITCONSENSUS (check diffs [1] and [2]). Your objective judgement as a third party really matters. Stephan rostie (talk) 18:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to rewrite the passage you removed

Hi, you removed a passage from the article Musaylima.

The paragraph doesn't claim to represent the historical Musaylima. It starts by pointing out the source and specifying its 17th c. composition. I can somewhat understand why you removed it. I would like to clarify that the paragraph is what a sect that followed Musaylima believed and restore it. IMHO with these changes it deserves a place, not because it tells us about the historical Musaylima but because its about what later followers thought of him.

I don't agree on some of the reasons you gave for removing it. Other parts of the article use a sira book by Ibn Kathir. It is a late source, chronicling events a few centuries before it was written. It contains miracle events and is clearly religious. But it's used. SevenTriangles (talk) 15:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

@SevenTriangles: It's not clearly what anybody thought. It's from a random work from Mughal India that no one knows almost anything about. Not even the author is known. This is primary material, not a work that examines the primary material for historical value. As a standalone resource, it has no real WP:WEIGHT; we need WP:SCHOLARSHIP. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:26, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I've replaced the preceding paragraph with something I think is carefully worded and useful.

The Encyclopedia Iranica article on the book claims there is an agreed-on author and points out it's useful in describing the beliefs that existed in India despite everything it gets wrong. I won't pursue this any further but can you comment on this?

Also, what should be done with sections using Ibn Kathir? SevenTriangles (talk) 16:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

@SevenTriangles: Your subsequent reworking of the material is much more encyclopedic. Thanks for your efforts. The Ibn Kathir source also appears to be just translation, so yes, a similar approach should be taken with it. At the moment the first statement appears to be relatively well couched, with alleged ... by Muslim historians. The reference leaves a lot to be desired. The volume of the work in question by Ibn Kathir appears to be no. 4. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:44, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

May need you help in article Muharram

Hello Iskandar. I was hoping that if you have interest and understanding in the events related to Ashura and Karbala, you can help me and another user with whom I'am in an edit war. I just want to present condensed key points that occurred during that month to give readers a brief overview of that battle to clarify for the readers that why this month is held with such solemnity. His argument is that it seems NPOV to him. Maybe you can check it if its okay. StarkReport (talk) 23:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

1Firang

FYI, this editor has been indef blocked. AlanS^talk 06:10, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Arguing

Here, I am attempting to agree with you. jp×g 09:51, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

@JPxG: Yes, I sort of got that. I'm also not sure where this takes us. I've begun to realize that there is an entire academic debate underway, or one could say even an entire philosophical discipline in a state of emergence, in relation to the theory of conspiracy theories. See The Philosophy of Conspiracy Theories. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:25, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Mahatma Gandhi

Let it not be said that I didn’t post a warning on you user talk age I did on the article’s talk page. Here is a copy of three warnings. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:37, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Maghāriya

Thanks for your further source-hunting and balanced approach at the deletion discussion for Maghāriya. Yes, I also got bogged down in the quantity of variant names, and trying to work out which were synth-by-a-proper-historian, and which were just illegitimate synth by various interested bloggers. Yes, the first blog I found did start by quoting the same source, but it had a few other snippets in there too - you are quite right in your assessment of there being a lot of little snippets scattered around but not really pulled together, which does make it hard for article creation. It also didn't help, in the naming, that the German name for these people translates simply as "cave dweller" which is too ambiguous. I'm glad you found the encyclopaedia ref that will hold it all together for the moment. Thank you again for your decency in dealing with this. Elemimele (talk) 07:22, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@Elemimele: Yes, the material is very piecemeal, and on first inspection the sourcing really didn't look good enough, but the blog you provided, while not a reliable source itself, did point to a more reliable trail of breadcrumbs being out there, so thanks for that. I really searched the JE only as an afterthought, as it had not been thrown up by any searches. Now it appears that it simply evades googling, so that's something to check first in future. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:48, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Barelvi movement

User talk:Syed Aala Qadri Kalkatvi#August 2023

Solve the problem if you can Neutralhappy (talk) 18:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

A friendly alert

@Iskandar323 As such I respect you for being fairly geek in lot many WP policies and your valuable contributions. This is not to say you have broken any guidelines relating WP:CTOP in WP:CT/GG and WP:ARBIP, but remaining alerted may help to avoid haste in deletions in heat of moment editing situations.

Though generally onus / burden to support content with RS and policy argument lies with who supports content. As a fellow Wikipedian I would like to encourage you to provide a little more detailed analysis on article talk pages before deletions for any content having or likely having support of reliable sources and not to rely just on generic statements. Wish you happy editing and cheers. Bookku (talk) 08:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bookku: Where sourcing is poor and notability evidently dubious, little explanation is needed for an AfD, since the sourcing (or lack therein) speaks for itself. It's not much more complicated than that. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Frankly I am not sure general statements help always but it's your choice end of the day, any ways. Bookku (talk) 09:01, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what you mean by general statements here. Source quality is the bottom line of all Wikipedia policy. If the source quality is not there, you don't need more nuanced discussion. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:20, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

I am all the way talking about what is backed by WP:RS. One is expected to ready for nuanced discussion whether it is in support or against when other side expects. Which one stands is for WP:DR consensus process as per WP policies helped by WP community. That is my view. Thanks for frank sharing of views. Happy editing Bookku (talk) 12:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Abortion in Afghanistan

Hi there, just regarding your edit of the above page (link to edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abortion_in_Afghanistan&oldid=1105678527)

What was your reason for citing Yaqeen as unreliable?

I was about to reinstate the source in order to correct the current statement on the article: Any action that would take away the soul of the fetus is forbidden, because this does not account for circumstances in which fiqhi scholars have deemed abortion permissible, but I thought I better check with you first about the reason for removing the source in case there was good reason.

Open to your suggestions about the edit. Yr Enw (talk) 11:22, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Yr Enw: For one, it was a dead link. Two, the site is just a charity's blog. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

1. Ah okay

2. Given it's a research institute, regarded as reliable by a substantial number of Muslims, I fail to see how a charity status makes it unreliable? Yr Enw (talk) 11:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

It was more the part about it being a blog. This information was from an infographic, not from a report published by the institute in its professed research capacity as a think tank. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:39, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

New pages patrol invitation

Hello, Iskandar323. The new pages patrol team is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles and redirects needing review. We could use a few extra hands to help. I believe that someone with your activity and experience is very likely to meet the guidelines for granting. Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time, but it requires a strong understanding of Wikipedia’s CSD policy and notability guidelines. Kindly read the tutorial before making your decision, and feel free to post on the project talk page with questions. If patrolling new pages is something you'd be willing to help out with, please consider applying here. Thank you for your consideration. We hope to see you around! Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 13:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Islam GA review

Hello! I hope all is well. A reviewer has taken up the Islam GA review. If you have a second, would you mind editing the article, however little, per their recommendations? It would go a long way and be much appreciated. Sodicadl (talk) 02:28, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting around to helping out, but well done for getting there. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:38, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

For interest

Dome of the Rock Selfstudier (talk) 12:58, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

National Endowment for Democracy

You just reversed an edit I added to emphasize the role the National Endowment for Democracy plays in furthering right wing CIA activities around the world. The founder of the NED Allen Weinstein made this comment your bot removed to the Washington Post in 1991, that the NED does overtly what the CIA did covertly "25 years ago". Why is that not important to the topic of understanding what the NED is really about? The entire entry on the NED seems to be a promotional piece of propaganda. 2600:8801:BE28:A800:9D9A:F723:D6B3:D44A (talk) 13:33, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Check again. Nothing was removed. Duplicate refs were simply merged. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:33, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

1RR at "Jews"

These edits 1 and 2 at Jews are a violation of 1RR. kindly self-revert or you may be reported to arbitration enforcement. Eladkarmel (talk) 14:51, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Eladkarmel: Why do you think there are 1RR restrictions on the page? Iskandar323 (talk) 14:54, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

This seems like a pattern of nationalist edits directed to undermine Wikipedia's sharing of information regarding the dominant understanding of Jewish peoplehood and origin in Israel (Palestine).

You should adhere to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. PresidentCoriolanus (talk) 08:25, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

@PresidentCoriolanus: Nice to meet you too. Thanks for the intro. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy note

Your requested move at Talk:Ibn Taymiyya has been closed. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:18, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:13, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Arbain

hi there, I hope all is well. there is a discussion to rename arbaeen on their take page which might be off interest. your input would be much appreciated. sorry for the poorly composed message on my cellphone. thanks. Albertatiran (talk) 10:16, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Hudson

I have re-added the sections with new citations. I think this resolves the citation issue? Thmymerc (talk) 09:21, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:ANI, 4 Sep 2023

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Kaalakaa (talk) 08:56, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

AE Notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a report involving you at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement regarding a possible violation of an Arbitration Committee decision. The thread is [2]. Thank you. Hyrcanus (talk) 17:42, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

If there was a Darwin Award for the end of Wikipedia editing careers, this AE filing would win easily. I do feel genuinely sad for the outcome though – Tombah started off open-minded but changed a lot during the last year. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:58, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Septermber GOCE newsletter

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Nomination of List of targeted killings by Israel for deletion

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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of targeted killings by Israel until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Longhornsg (talk) 17:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Removal of messages from your talk page

Heya, you've removed multiple messages claiming they are "automatic", all about dispute resolutions.

You seem to be involved in a rather large amount of disputes, all manually started by multiple contributors/editors, don't you think it is relevant and shouldn't be removed? I know my message wasn't automatic. Bar Harel (talk) 15:46, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Bharel: Sorry, have me met? I don't what discussions you are talking about, but I assume you are talking about various content dispute messages from DRN. I thought these were automatic, but maybe they aren't. But no, they're not relevant, since I've never been in a DRN discussion that went anywhere. In any case, editors can clean or even blank they user pages in any way they want, and it's not a big deal, so ... what gives? Iskandar323 (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Suicide Bombings -> Bombings

Hello. Regarding your rapid fire mass edits of the following pages (listed below), on what criteria or critical grounds are you justifying your changing of these event descriptions from “suicide bombings” to “bombings”?

• Karkur junction bus bombing
• Maxim restaurant bombing
• July 2005 HaSharon Mall bombing
• 2008 Dimona bombing

In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (as well as in general conflict studies), standard bombings and suicide bombings are profoundly different categories of conflict acts, and I’m really stretching to understand why you are running through articles and renaming then without initiating any form of discussion.

Mistamystery (talk) 21:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Just cleaning up some archival material with overly lengthy titles, in line with both WP: CONCISE and WP:NCE, as I believe my edit summaries explained. The details of events are something for body of an article, but adding 'suicide' before bombing for every suicide bombing is just title bloat and leads to first sentences that go "X suicide bombing was a suicide bombing". The tightest WP:NCE titles often have just date, one place name and a single word for the event; titles that elaborate well beyond are not helping events to be identified, they are simply overspecifying things in the title. Sources likewise only add 'suicide' intermittently, so whatever convention you imagine, it is not abided by in the sources. Speaking of which, the sourcing on some of these pages is truly bad (one has no references), so if you truly want to improve these pages, take a look at that. Otherwise, simple deletion may be in their future. A gentle reminder too that following editors around based on their contributions on pages that you haven't edited or ever discussed on their talk pages, isn't particularly polite. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:53, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Page moves

Given that you have previously had a block for breaching an Arab-Israeli content ban (which obviously no longer applies), you cannot possibly believe that making controversial and undiscussed page moves in that topic area is a good idea. Just don't go there. You'll be in jail again in no time if you carry on like that. Schwede66 06:32, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Schwede66: I have not fundamentally changed any of the titles, merely trimmed their existing WP:NCE descriptions, which are by their nature editorial creations. Most of these pages have been badly neglected - several have zero references; others have very few ... so the precise wording of these titles is often not particularly affirmed or denied by the sourcing. You moved the Karkur page back, but did you look at the sources? Of the extant references, two have titles mention 'bus', one 'suicide' (the latter a permanent dead link). In the external links three mention 'bus', two 'suicide'; yet one source mentioning both is government and lacks independence, so that's probably 2:1 again. The question I suppose I have is: what do you think is controversial about bringing a historically undiscussed descriptive title better in line with the sources it actually references, per WP:NPOV, to the extent that boldly trimming the page title is not appropriate? Iskandar323 (talk) 07:49, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Stay away from this topic area. And if you can’t, then start a discussion before you move pages. Quite simple, really. Schwede66 08:02, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Schwede66: As you note, I am no longer banned. I was banned two years ago for a WP:1RR error. My ban was commuted for good behaviour after six months. That was probably after I had made less than a thousand edits and was essentially still a novice. I have made tens of thousands of edits since and am hardly the same editor today, so I struggle to understand your emphasis on this point. What do you mean by stay away from this topic area? But ok, I guess I'll discuss even uncontroversial moves if that somehow improves things. The general impetus for making bold moves instead of using RMs is that it avoids a lot of expenditure of community time. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, why don't I watchlist your talk page (no further pings needed) and if I get the impression that it's time for an ANI discussion regarding another topic ban, we'll continue that discussion there? You give me the strong impression that's where this is headed. Schwede66 08:31, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

@Schwede66: One last ping - for the sake of parity, perhaps you would like to convey the same to the other editor now making similar moves in the same space? Iskandar323 (talk) 08:58, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

It looks like that editor has turned your move into a dab page. It seems there were two events of the same nature at the same place in the same year. That seems a good reason to disambiguate. If the resulting or chosen title isn't perfect, I encourage you to start a discussion on that article's talk page. Please let me know if there are issues coming out of that discussion that you can't resolve yourselves; I'd be happy to weigh in. Schwede66 09:08, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeshivat Beit Yisrael bombing

On 15 September, you moved "Yeshivat Beit Yisrael massacre" to "Yeshivat Beit Yisrael bombing" with the justification: "Make shorter (WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE)". Changing "massacre" to "bombing" is not making the title more concise. Instead, it could be construed as a POV move or false edit summary, especially given that it was WP:RMUM. I'm not accusing you of any nefarious intentions, but suggest reverting in this case and/or starting discussions for these perhaps controversial and not technical moves to avoid any undue appearance. Thanks. Longhornsg (talk) 06:00, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, sure, I've moved it back and will precede with an RM approach. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:08, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Category:Right-wing politicians in Israel has been nominated for deletion

Category:Right-wing politicians in Israel has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 03:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Third opinion in the ongoing content dispute at the Foreign Policy of Bashar al-Assad

Hello Iskandar323, can you provide your constructive views on an ongoing content dispute in the talk page of Foreign Policy of Bashar al-Assad. Since I think you are quite knowledgeable on Arab-related issues, I have pinged you for efforts in dispute resolution here. Thanks! Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 5:21, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Your recent edits to List of Palestinian suicide attacks

WP:CTOP applies to this article. In light of your edits listed below (made immediately following the failure of your nomination to delete the article entirely), am concerned they are in violation of ARBPIA procedure, as well as contentious topics policy, WP:NPOV, WP:MNA, WP:EQ, WP:DE, and WP:GAMING.

It reeks of bad faith editing, especially when it was made clear a renewed effort is being made to clean the article up and revise it to standards. Making numerous deletions in succession makes remedying any legitimate concerns you have a hindrance given arbitration rules on reverting edits, which may run you up against system gaming accusations.

These are contentious topics. WP:BOLD and WP:JUSTDOIT doesn’t necessarily apply so cleanly here as it does on regular topics. Recommend reverting edits, engaging in good faith suggestions (like missing citation tags or talk page suggestions), and let the process take its expected course with necessary consensus (as arbitration procedures demand).

If you feel this comment and above recommendations are in haste, I will be happy to request attention from an uninvolved administrator or ARBIA administrators to chime in. Mistamystery (talk) 06:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mistamystery: There is nothing bold about removing unsourced content. A core content pillar of Wikipedia is verifiability. You need to back right away from the accusations and wikilawyering. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Verifiability is not the issue at hand here. There are sources and external links on the page that back up the entire list, suicide attacks during the 2nd intifada are well documented and attested, and there is no reasonable doubt around any of the attacks (previously) listed on the page. Just because a citation is missing, doesn’t mean you blank sections, most especially on ARBPIA pages.

I didn’t make these rules up. It’s not up to me what is and isn’t in violation of contentious topics policy, and I’m trying to abide by general Wikipedia policy and recommendation by going directly to you and speaking respectfully before raising the issue anywhere else.

Again, if you feel that I am incorrect in my understanding of contentious topic guidelines, I am happy to seek the guidance of the arbitration page and/or an uninvolved administrator. Otherwise, I respectfully ask that you speak to me in a kind and neutral tone. I don’t need to “back away” from raising legitimate concern as the platform insists we do. This is a house we all share, and must be kind to each other. Mistamystery (talk) 07:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

@Mistamystery: You must forgive me, but I don't see the above message as even diplomatic, let alone 'kind'. I removed the material year-by-year to make it easy for anybody who want to restore the material with sources to do so in a simple fashion. However, a handwave at the notion that sources probably exist somewhere out there or buried in the external links does not fulfil WP:V. Any editor is absolutely within their rights to removed unsourced content, and any editor who wishes to restore that content has the WP:BURDEN of sourcing it. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Appreciate the explanation. And please be assured all things were said with kindness and propriety in mind.

Regarding the edit concern, I recently ran into a multi-user, multi-revert incident on a 1RR ARBPIA page, which subsequently created a cascade of issues (including sudden editor hyper-sensitivity) that really got in the way of easily addressing the issue.

I understand its within editor rights to blank (seemingly) unsourced content, but I do think it’s important to advocate for other approaches for dealing with this problem (most especially given that there is so much unsourced - but ultimately valid - content all over the platform).

Mistamystery (talk) 07:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Editors have different approaches. Sure, I don't delete every bit of unsourced content I see without questions. I often tag material instead. But unsourced lists are a particular plague on Wikipedia, and I have little sympathy for them. This sort of content simply falls foul of my more deletionist leanings. However, you'll note that I didn't remove any entries with linked articles, even though those entries are also lack technically unsourced, in the sense of content that cannot be verified by in-line citations located on the page itself. As for the other material, most of which has been both unsourced and unlinked for more than a decade, well ... time's up. And the list that remains is a more reasonable and digestible piece of content as a result. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Gideon

Hi, Iskandar323; you mentioned here that I might consult you as we progressed at Talk:Operation Gideon (2020). I've mostly completed reading hundreds of sources, and posted my summary of source analysis at User:SandyGeorgia/GideonSources. What I've found is that the earlier lists alleging the preponderance of sources calling the event a coup may have been cherry-picked source counting, as numerous high-quality sources never refer to it as a coup, including recent books and peer-reviewed sources. I have posted that analysis at Talk:Operation_Gideon_(2020)#Source_analysis and have encouraged commentary in that section to focus on whether this source analysis is good before we move on to talking next about what to do with the Requested move. An interesting aspect is that most of the sources that never call this event a coup don't hesitate to call other events in other circumstances a coup. I've also (perhaps clumsily) tried to work coup in to the body of the article and the lead; although it's not the majority point of view, it's enough of a significant minority that it warrants mention in the lead IMO. I wanted to let you know in case you want to weigh in now as we decide which direction to go next, but particularly, as to whether my source analysis is lacking in any way. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:56, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

Hi there, given your membership to WikiProject Palestine, I wondered if you may be so kind as to incorporate (some or all of) my suggested edits here and here?

Happy to discuss. All the best. Yr Enw (talk) 13:50, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Article restoration

Would you please restore this article? Thanks. 39.34.179.108 (talk) 08:00, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Caesarea National Park moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Caesarea National Park. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Rkieferbaum (talk) 17:57, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Re'im music festival massacre

You cannot seriously believe that POV changing the title of Re'im music festival massacre, as you did here arguably one of the most visible and heavily edited pages in one of the most contentious areas of this website, about a topic that is in headlines around the world is uncontroversial and shouldn't need to go through WP:RM? Not only that, but claiming it should be changed "per the sources" when a simple Google search would reveal an overwhelming amount of RS, from across the ideological spectrum, that refer to the wanton slaughter of 250+ people at a music festival as a "massacre": NBC, Washington Post, New Yorker, Billboard, Wall Street Journal, The National News, Daily Beast, Guardian.

In the name of collaboration, not several weeks ago you graciously agreed with me to go through the RM process for article in this contentious area. Not only me, but @Schwede66: also brought this up to you, and you committed to use the RM process. Please stop your unilateralism nd hold up your commitments. Longhornsg (talk) 07:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Longhornsg: I'm sorry, but I don't really agree with your point here. 18 hours ago, when the page had rapidly been created and the details were exceptionally unclear; it was not then a clearly supported or NPOV title. 18 hours later the picture has become clearer and the language substantiated. This is often the nature of rapidly changing content that is chasing the news cycle far more closely than it should, or really, should not do at all, per WP:NOTNEWS, but as we all know, this is unfortunately a perennial issue on Wikipedia. I believe most if not all of the sources posted above post-date the page's creation/titling and the edits you link, which really just exemplifies how ahead of the actual news cycle the page was erected. So again, I think your point is a little off here. Wikipedia does not future-gaze, and NPOV now is not NPOV then. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:32, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Iskandar323. Thank you for your work on En Harod. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Thank you for writing the article on Wikipedia! I genuinely appreciate your efforts in creating the article on Wikipedia and expanding the sum of human knowledge in Wikipedia. Wishing you and your family a great day!

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 13:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Can you keep an eye on an article temporaily.

In article Zainab Abbas, there is new unconfirmed rumors about her leaving India during the world cup. Some are adding a controversy section which seems to be gross NPOV. So can you confirm or whether the info is correct to put. The details may be in violation Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. 182.183.0.254 (talk) 13:38, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Your "vote"

The strike wasn't on the border between Israel and Lebanon, it was in the Sheba farms, between Lebanon and the occupied Golan Heights. Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 16:39, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

@Supreme Deliciousness: I'm aware of where events kicked off, but there has also subsequently been an incursion and a series of strikes across the border proper, making it a broader geography. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:49, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

WP:Synth

@Iskandar323 It's WP:SYNTH because the implication is that Israel has committed a war crime, this is after all under the war crime section, without any source in this passage having accused Israel of committing a war crime. WP:SYNTH states: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source." The article then says NPR says Israel blockaded Gaza, HRW says a blockade is a war crime, thus the implication Israel has committed a war crime, once again this is under the war crime section. However neither source explicitly stated that Israel committed a war crime, C is being implied which makes this text book Synth. In order for this to stay HRW needs to explicitly state that Israel committed a war crime else it doesn't work. Alcibiades979 (talk) 11:17, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Alcibiades979: I would agree with you IF the HRW was talking about any old blockade, but here they are talking about the specific blockade that Israel had proposed implementing, and then it was implemented. Unless the HRW makes a statement that their position on this has changed, I don't see what the problem is with repeating this. The wikivoice sentence remains couched in the guarded language of what it would mean, per the HRW usage. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

HRW repeated the same again yesterday after the power cut off. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:28, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes but it falls under the subheading of Israeli War Crimes if it were in some other section it'd be fine. This is in essence original research. If what you're saying is true then HRW should post a statement shortly accusing Israel of war crimes at which point we can write in an uncontroversial entry in the section, but until that point, why crystal ball it and try and infer their opinion? Alcibiades979 (talk) 11:28, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Alcibiades979: Everything is really only potentially a war crime right up until a trial is held and the law proclaims it so. This burden would call for the removal of every piece of pre-trial speculation about the potentially criminal nature of the events, i.e. the entire section. All sources say "would", "likely", etc. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:33, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Impact of the occupation

I'm trying to find an article on the Impact of the Israeli occupation on Palestinian people, but I can't find it. Am I not looking carefully? Or should an article like that needs to be created? VR _talk 21:24, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM

Please refrain from using talk pages to express your personal opinion about the subjects of articles. This is especially true for Arab–Israeli conflict topics and American politics topics. I understand that these are difficult topics, but that's why it's important to maintain a constructive dialogue without posting provocative political comments. Edits like this, this, and this are disruptive. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Those comments are on matters of weight and NPOV that are relevant. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:44, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

When israel is created

Where is this part :

The State of Israel was established on May 14, 1948, in the aftermath of World War II and the Holocaust. Its establishment was met with both international support and regional opposition. Almost immediately, neighboring Arab states, in rejection of the partition plan, initiated the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Despite facing initial challenges, Israel managed to survive and consolidate its territory. Subsequent conflicts, including the Six-Day War in 1967 and Adel8745 (talk) 09:49, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand the question here. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

You're referring to why this section has been deleted several times? I've also wondered the same thing... Homerethegreat (talk) 14:14, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Genocide against the Palestinians.

I thank you for your contributions to the recent discussion about this article and it’s being merged. However, I still support this issue having its own page. Read my thoughts if you wish on the Apartheid in Israel talk page, the section entitled ‘This merge is repellent’. What is your opinion and how can we facilitate the matter once again having its own page? Scientelensia (talk) 12:39, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

I believe you should refer Muboshgu to the appropriate board, but that’s only my opinion. I wonder if they have been engaging in this behaviour for a long time and whether, if so, that could be brought up Scientelensia (talk) 15:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Your reverts

Two days ago, you reverted a WP:BRD move on contentious information on Joe Biden. Today, you restored this POV content to Kathy Hochul despite the valid complaint about it on the talk page. Please do not edit war in high profile American politics articles. Seek consensus on talk pages. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I don’t believe it was POV content. Read the source and reconsider perhaps. Also, read my statement. I’m sure Iskandar323 has justification for their actions. You should also seek consensus on the talk pages for the removal of content which it seems most people agree on keeping as they either restored it or did not delete it. Scientelensia (talk) 15:06, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

The edits about which you complain seem useful and relevant to me. Scientelensia (talk) 15:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: I didn't restore POV content. I restored well-sourced WP:RSP content. The only complaint about the latter was the dedicated controversy section - I took that onboard, restoring it elsewhere. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: In fact, on the contrary, it is you who has now reverted Israel-Palestine content twice within 24 hours at Kathy Hochul, which is a violation of the WP:1RR restrictions set at WP:ARBPIA. Now that you have been made aware, please self-revert or I will be taking this violation to WP:AE to request sanctions. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC) I was rusty on the rules: the page does in fact technically need to be pre-tagged for this to apply. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

It was added, then it was reverted. It is not long-standing content and is objected to on POV basis, both on Biden's page and Hochul's. The complaint on Talk:Kathy Hochul is about the content itself, as well as the "controversy section" framing. I'll note that HJ Mitchell agrees with me. You would both do well with a refresher on what is and is not POV. Having a RSP source does not absolve an editor for writing up something in a biased manner. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

• How was it POV?
• What was biased about it, as the source makes it clear that it is true?
• Why are you violating the WP:1RR restrictions set at WP:ARBPIA and expecting not be punished? I strike this comment.-later
• Why do you attempt to punish me on arbitration pages when you make perhaps wrong edits?

Scientelensia (talk) 15:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

The content you added to Hochul's article is accurate and sourced, but specifically presented to show Hochul in a negative light, with a quote from a Palestinian activist to drive it home. It does not present the "other side" at all and makes a big deal out of a few words that she said without context. Bias in the NYT isn't relevant here, bias amongst Wikipedia editors is. Kathy Hochul's article is not on a 1RR restriction. And I am not attempting to "punish" you; someone else brought you to arbitration enforcement and I had relevant info to add to the discussion. They'll decide if any sanctions are necessary, not me. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok. How could the other side be added then? Scientelensia (talk) 16:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: FYI, in undoing what I thought was my rather sensible splitting out of Kathy Hochul's political views to their own section, you should be aware that you've returned a bunch of 2023 content under a subhead of 2011-2013 - perhaps you would like to provide your own solution if you didn't like mine - assuming you saw what I'd done and why, and didn't just throw the baby out with the bathwater. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I've restored the formatting changes. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:41, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I've opened a discussion on the content. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

On a talk page? Scientelensia (talk) 21:08, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

On the Kathy Hochul talk page, yes. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:13, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Scientelensia (talk) 21:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Issam Abdallah

On 18 October 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Issam Abdallah, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 02:38, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Iskandar323. Thank you for your work on Nakba denial. User:Lightburst, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

I have reviewed the article. I cannot see the deleted article from the 2011 AfD but this article appears to be acurate based on the references. It appears from the previous AfD that the article was called out as synth and OR; I do not see that issue in this article. Well done, thanks for the article.

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Lightburst}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Lightburst (talk) 15:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Lightburst: Thanks. I'm glad someone appreciates hard work and good sourcing. I thought that rigorously basing the article on peer-reviewed material might get me some slack, but evidently not. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:57, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Iskandar323 I don't know whether you are kidding around or you seriously thought that article was going to fly as it was, but I don't think a period of international tension is the right time to be stoking the flames on Wikipedia. I find sectarian conflicts extremely distasteful but I am not going to avoid the topic as many will do. Can you explain why the article only expresses one point of view and why it often does so in the voice of Wikipedia stating opinions as facts? —DIYeditor (talk) 11:17, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

The timing is questionable too. We've just had a discussion (I think it was yesterday) surrounding the 1948 exodus on the Israel article. Homerethegreat (talk) 14:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure you mean by the article "flying" - the way that Wikipedia works is that someone creates a page and other people edit it. That's the process. Good for you for getting involved. No page ever "flies" in the very first form that it initially emerges in. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Concerns about new article

Besides the severe OR issues, Nazism in Palestinian society was written almost entirely by an editor who is not extended confirmed. What is the proper procedure to follow in that case? (t · c) buidhe 04:56, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Buidhe: I'm honestly not sure about the permissibility of the non-EC creation of restricted content - it honestly seems like a bit of a grey area, but once it is created, it's obviously hands off for them. However, if you think the issues with the content are severe enough and it's not ready for mainspace, there is always the option of returning it to draft. It almost feels like such cases could be covered by the WP:G5 speedy deletion criterion, but if they are, it's not currently explicitly so. The best option I suspect is to simply query the administrator's noticeboard on all of the above, which I might do if you don't get there first. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:38, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I draftified the article and left a note on talk explaining the OR issues.

(t · c) buidhe 06:59, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Buidhe:, WP:ARBECR "Non-extended-confirmed editors may not create new articles, but administrators may exercise discretion when deciding how to enforce this remedy on article creations. Deletion of new articles created by non-extended-confirmed editors is permitted but not required." Selfstudier (talk) 10:48, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. —DIYeditor (talk) 19:48, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Advice

Mate, no point arguing with editors of such strong POV at AFD. I would advise taking a step back and letting it be. starship.paint (RUN) 09:57, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Starship.paint: It was less arguing; more just expressing incredulity! Iskandar323 (talk) 10:11, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Right, even so, you've made many comments to the AfD already (you are the joint #2 commenter). Your opinion has surely been expressed? starship.paint (RUN) 12:22, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I would imagine so, yes. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:58, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Diminishing returns, and you starship.paint (RUN) 15:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Scythians article size

Several months ago at Talk:Scythians, you and Nikkimaria pointed out at the article is absurdly large. The person mainly responsible for the size of the article is Antiquistik. Although Antiquistik acknowledged your concerns at the talk page, but they continue to make sweeping, enormous changes to the article, which add over 69,000[3] or even over 150,000[4] characters to the article. So this is a problem that is getting worse with time. Furthermore, their edits seem to carelessly remove content, which is difficult to spot owing to the sheer size od the edits.

I am thinking Antiquistik should be advised to make their edits in piece-meal fashion, and to focus more on splitting the article and removing WP:INDISCRIMINATE material, rather than adding more bloat. If they can't do that, I would say that is when their behavior becomes actionable. If you would like to share your thoughts, I'd very much appreciate it.- Hunan201p (talk) 23:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Talk Page Etiquette

You have been around long enough that you should know that starting the third new section on a talk page on a topic is considered poor etiquette. And you also knew there was an existing RFC on the talk page on the same subject.

Would you consider removing or merging your needlessly duplicative talk page section? Walt Yoder (talk) 21:33, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Walt Yoder: AGF please. There are polite ways of alerting editors to things that they might not have noticed. I used the add topic button and didn't see the other thread. Re: the RFC: that's an overcomplicated mess. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Al-Ansar Mosque airstrike for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Al-Ansar Mosque airstrike is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Longhornsg (talk) 00:00, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

A Letter from a New Editor

Hello, my name's Vero, and I started editing on Wikidata.

I often monitor the discussion on Israel-Gaza War pages and saw the horror of discussion there. I saw your arguments on NPOV page regarding Israel-Gaza War, and decided to share with you my concern, and perhaps requesting your opinion, suggestion or even encouragement. I recently started to edit on Wikidata, and noticed that the speed and amount of items relating to the side of Israel on the war is much faster than the documented items relating to the side of Palestine (which often labeled as "the side of the terrorists").

Take two example, from Kfar Aza "massacre" and Al-Ahli Arab Hospital "explosion". I noticed how fast certain editors add the item, and gave them tendentious descriptions, translating them to various languages, and then deemed them as truth only because "much of the sources said that" which pointed to Western (I have no word other than that) oriented media. Each time someone pointed out other sources, such as Al-Jazeera, it got shut down by words like "they are terrorist supporting media, the X government paid them, etc." Perhaps you know this issue too well. I also noticed there are no new items or article regarding the update of each airstrike or major attack from the troops, even they passed the editing table of "reliable" media. In other places, I saw rather comical debate on how some media once portrayed Nelson Mandela and his organization as terrorist during their war against apartheid regime.

I often asked myself, before contributing on the issue, "will this contribution make difference, or is it only will be reverted by other angry editor, which ended up reporting me to the Administrators' Noticeboard?". I care because Wikipedia shown on the top of the search result, even my tech blind family member read Wikipedia, said, "the editors on Wikipedia had prolong debate on what those news editors said, so perhaps they already given more add values." How do you survive those debate? And accepting that an article or an item will remain "biased" in your POV judgement?

I think right now, Wikipedia and the rest of WMF Projects are being tested against their own policies and rules. After reading how you argued in the talk-pages, I thank you for doing what I could not. Thank you for allowing me to rant in your talk-pages. I am sorry if it is a waste of space or time.

Good luck, ma'a tamanniyat bi at tawfiq wa an najah. Verokraft-Altexnandes (talk) 14:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Massacres in the State of Palestine

A tag has been placed on Category:Massacres in the State of Palestine indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:14, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you help me completing the Wikidata Item for your new article?

Hi, @Iskandar323 I recently added a Wikidata Item for your new article, Nakba denial. Can you help me adding relevant properties for it? Many thanks. Athayahisyam (talk) 09:50, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Please address inaccuracies in introduction of Hamas page

Hello Iskander, I'm trying to use this avenue to contact you about a much-needed change on the page concerning Hamas. I am a college student, and my professor made an off-hand comment the other day about how Wikipedia classifies Hamas as the "governing force of the Gaza strip." She is a doctor of world government and strongly asserted that this could not be further from the truth. Hamas is, simply through fact, a terrorist group targeting civilians. They do not provide for the needs of the Palestinian people or protect the sovereignty of the Gaza strip. This article has been getting increased traffic due to recent news cycles, and the assertion that Gaza and its people are governed at all, much less by a terror cell, is incredibly harmful. My account is far too new (this is a replacement for an old one I previously had) to make an edit on a protected page such as this. If you can change it to reflect Hamas' complete lack of involvement in the governing of Palestinians, I would be forever in your debt. Seithr33 (talk) 19:01, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Possible WP:Undue and WP:NPOV issue.

In Afnan Ullah Khan article, a user is including what appears to be against WP:Undue and WP:NPOV. Afnan tweeted a sensational tweet and then deleted with no major protest or any notable reaction. Yet the user Spartan Alpha want to include it. Can you check it. 182.183.46.44 (talk) 13:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Bureij

Unless I missed it, I can't find an article about the airstrikes on this camp- Appear to be three, 17 October killing 12, 2 November killing 15 and November, killing 20.

Make an article? Selfstudier (talk) 13:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Splitting discussion for Hardeep Singh Nijjar

An article that been involved with (Hardeep Singh Nijjar ) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article (2023 Canada–India diplomatic crisis). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. 2402:A00:152:85D3:61B4:3AA2:6876:1690 (talk) 16:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)