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natural luge track

Hello Jeff, could you please help us to create articles about natural luge? We would like to promote this sport ... as in 2017 Neagaune will hoste the world championships. Thanks, greetings from Southtyrol/Italy --Rodelfreak (talk) 13:12, 13 May 2016 (UTC)Rodelfreak

Hello Rodelfreak. Thank you for the greetings from South Tyrol! I would love to visit there. As I have a FIL judges license, perhaps I will one day visit. My connection to your area now is only that I have met and spoken with Dominic Fischnaller, who among the senior athletes creates the largest shower of ice particles at the luge start with his glove spikes. All of my experience so far has been with artificial track luge. But I am excited about the natural track event in Negaunee and am planning to be involved. I would be glad to help write articles about natural luge, if you could supply me with some of the information and sources for the proposed articles, preferably in English. (If not English, it would require more time to use Google Translate.) So please let me know what you have in mind. Jeff in CA (talk) 16:30, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

hi jeff, can I send you the text about natural track by email? --Rodelfreak (talk) 16:10, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Please use Special:EmailUser/Jeff in CA. Jeff in CA (talk) 00:11, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Natural track luge

Data FIL brochure

The world of sports is changing. Natural track lug is trending by nature. Sustainability is really easy for us, because we the inside track to nature. Natural track luge can look back proudly on a long history, with sledding races dating as early as the nineteenth century. Using paths for the lightning-fast descents, which keeps everything economical without serious intrusions into the landscape, makes natural luge a trending sport that is on the rise. At a time when climate change and environmental protection are raising reater concern than ever before, we are especially proud of how carefully we work hand in hand with nature so that our sport leaves behind only the tiniest of ecological footprints. Natural track luge is inspiring, natural, and charged with energy. Just like ist athletes. Ice har das rock, runners like razors, and precision technique. Natural track lugers all over the world love the feeling of shooting through curves and along challenging stretches all the way to the finish line at speeds of up to 80km/h. The athlete requires the perfect combination of physical fitness and conditioning along with extensive, comprehensive training and the ideal coordination of materials to turn in a performance worthy of a world champion. Our athletes are not the only ones who love what they do. The public does, too. With a screaming-fast descent, natural track luge exceeds expectations, continuing to surprise with ist intensity. The G forces that are achieved can even be felt right next to the track. The positively electric enthusiasm right in the midst of incredible natural scenery is something that won’t let an onlooker out of ist dutches. It is quite simple to get started with this activity, which makes natural track luge an affordable and very accessible starting point for children to get involved in the fascinating world of sledding sports. The future is just around the bend with natural track luge. Just how trending and close to nature this sport is comes through with the competitive tracks. They result from the simple tamping down and icing over a snow without major technical assistance or large financial expenditures. Thanks to the temporary nature of their construction, they can easily be put into use and then broken down at a variety of locations. And it is easy fort he area that is used to be returned to ist previous state once the season is over: as a logging road or mountain path. But between the end oft he competition and the spring thaw, the tracks are immediately available for all leisure sledders. With a concentrated development program and numerous forward-looking initiatives, the International Luge Federation supports up-and-coming talent and invests in raising the awareness of natural track luge in new countries. Fresh, untapped, attractive. A thoroughly interesting sport. Including for investors. Natural track luge is a long-established yet untapped sport that fascinates the entire family, from tiny children to enthralled grandparents. The target group is thus both extremely broad and very deep. Natural track luge is something special, a sport with unique featurest hat set it apart. It’s time to follow a new track. Natural luge athletes throughout the world: Argentina, Austria, Bosnia and Herzogovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Italy, Kazakhstand, Moldova, New Zealand, Poland, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom, USA.

Natural Track

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Natural Tracks are adapted from existing mountain roads and paths. Artifically banked curves are not permitted. The tracks's surface must be horizontal. They are naturally iced, there is no artificial refrigeration. Athletes Sledding Technique Natural Track Athletes use a steering strap and drag their arms and legs in order to drive around the tight flat corners. Braking is often required in front of curves and is accomplished by the use of spikes built on the bottom of the shoes. The Sled Natural Track

Sled are very flexible to help in steering and use razor sharp blades. The seat is designed to hold the athlete in place while braking and steering on the rough ice. www.fil-luge.org

NATURBAHN LUGE: You've seen luge sleds rocketing down ice-glazed tubes during the Winter Olympics--that's Kunstbahn (or Artificial Track) luge. Naturbahn (or Natural Track) luge is even more exciting because the track winds down a natural, unrefrigerated hill, bordered by boards and snow banks. A Naturbahn luge sled is similar to an old-fashioned wooden sled with metal runners. Naturbahn athletes steer the sled with their feet, hands, and bodies. They use their bodies to speed up, slow down, and steer the sled around the corners of the icy track. Naturbahn luge is a unique sport, and exciting for athletes and spectators.

http://www.negauneeluge.freehomepage.com/

Natural track luge takes place on an un-banked track (4 metres wide) with a base of hard packed snow covered with a layer of ice, enclosed within low wooden walls (1 metre high). Liam Kinraid (above) is on a tourist sled and waiting at the top of the track for his run down the track.

So Naseby is quite different to an Olympic track. Whereas sleds can up to 150kph on say the track in Vancouver and ride the high-lines through the banked corners, the top speed on our track is about 50kph and our sleds ride the bottom of the track.

Worldwide there are over 60 natural-luge tracks and just 20 artificial tracks.

The closest track of any-kind to Naseby is in Nagano, Japan (site of the 1998 Winter Olympics)!

As well as being an excellent introduction to luge, and the basis for developing Luge athletes, a Natural luge track can be used for a wide range of recreational rides, including ski-bob sleds (complete with steering wheels, and brakes). The 360 metre Naseby track provides, everyone the opportunity to experience the thrill-of-the-ice at their own pace,and with a level of speed & comfort of the participants dictate. The Naseby track opens in Late-May/Early-June, weather-Gods willing, and closes in September. The track is the only one of its kind in The Southern Hemisphere. As you can appreciate Luging is a skill one learns step-by-step, under the supervision of an instructor. Hurtling-down the ice is exhilarating, but comes with risks, and it’s not an activity for the uninitiated. For safety reasons, public access to the track is therefore restricted to times where an instructor is on-hand to supervise & offer necessary instruction. http://www.lugenz.com/

The Sleds All Natural Luge sleds have the following components: 2 runners (also known as Kufins) A front bridge A rear bridge A seat or pod usually supported by the bridges A rein Finger guards (also known as wings) Club sleds are very easy to maintain and with normal use they can last for years. Many club sleds 20 years old are still usable and the main problem with them is when new athletes have problems and crash. Occasionally sleds are broken during training but this happens rarely however. Normal care must be taken to keep the steel attachments on the runners from rusting and being damaged by rocks and other hard objects. Usual care requires them having all snow removed after each use and coating them with a wax or other waterproof covering during the off season. The main damage done to sleds is broken finger guards. Finger guards are normally broken during training or competition when an athlete makes contacts with a wall or other hard object while sliding down a hill or track. These finger guards are easily built and replaced by anyone with normal “handyman” skills. In most cases learning to maintain club sleds is done by someone in a club who works with wood or metal as they already have most of the skills to perform necessary maintenance. As experience progresses they learn more detailed skills and progress to higher levels of a sled technician. Torggler Sled Manufacturing: http://www.torggler-rodelbau.com/ Martlen Sled Manufacturing: http://martlen.com/luges.HTM Gloco Sled Manufactuing: http://www.cansled.com/about.htm Gaser Sled manufacturing: (German only) http://www.gasserrodel.at/produkte.php The following selection of photos shows the different types of luge sleds.

The “Laser Luge”:

Typically this sled is used solely for recreational sliding on toboggan hills where a track is not actually used for proper Natural Luge sliding. The Canadian Luge Association previously held the patent for this sled but it has not been produced for several years now.

This sled is made entirely of plastic and does not work well on hard packed snow as the runners to not cut into the snow to enable the sled to turn. It can be fun on the proper snow conditions but is not used for any serious Luge sliding or during Luge competition. Snow sleds: Snow sleds are used almost entirely on snow tracks or ski hill slopes. They can be modified slightly to function as training sleds for first time users on an ice track but are not preferable for ice sliding use. The sleds with the yellow and red runners (kufins) are old now and were built in Europe. The sled with the black runners and red seat is new and was built in British Columbia in 2005.

These sleds all have strips of steel attached to the underside of their runners to assist with steering the sled on hard packed snow. They all function well as club sleds and can be easily adapted to fit most sliders. The reign shown on each of the sled is an important part of the sled and assists the slider with steering around corners. Bachmann Sled Manufactured in Europe – 20 years old. They are great for beginners.

Gasser Sled Manufactured in Europe – 20 years old – They are great for beginners.

This sled is manufactured in British Columbia by a company called Martlen Enterprises. Clubs in Alberta purchased about 25 of them in December of 2005. The cost of each of these was more than $400. They are the only sleds currently being manufactured in North America. These sleds work best on hard packed snow conditions and are easy to drive.

Until recently, high performance ice racing sleds were manufactured only by 1 company (Torggler) in a small town in northern Italy (Latzfons) and are very expensive. To purchase one new the cost is at least $1500 (depending on the exchange rate for Euros). They are usually purchased by individual athletes who are trained and experienced enough to slide on ice and therefore clubs rarely own them. They each have special attachments similar to a ski connected to the bottom of each runner with a Pitex (plastic) housed with steel. The steel is extremely sharp and is what allows the athlete to steer the sled around corners on glare ice.

The single athlete ice racing sled is used in competition such as World Cup and World Championship ice track races. It takes a lot of skill and training to make it navigate ice tracks. They are very exciting to watch. The maximum weight for a singles sled is 14kg.

The doubles ice racing sled is very similar to the singles ice racing sled. The main difference is that it is physically a bit larger to allow 2 athletes to sit on it and as such weighs more than a singles sled. The maximum weight for this sled is 20kg.

The ice racing sled on the left shows the Pitex (plastic) runner. By comparison the smaller yellow sled has a plain steel attachment to the runner and does not function well on ice tracks as it cannot be sharpened as required and the angle of the runner to the ice is much less.

The steel/pitex attachments to the runners are very important to the athletes. They spend hours preparing them prior to, and between each competition run to allow them to have the best control and time in the race. Most athletes take years to learn how to prepare their sleds for elite competition use.

http://www.naturallugealberta.com/85/ Rodelfreak (talk) 20:38, 17 November 2018 (UTC)--Rodelfreak (talk)

Next on deck for Penn State Nittany Lions‎

   Thanks for responding to my tantrum over Penn State Nittany Lions, with the improvement that your edit embodies; i'm pleased to have found a colleague with an apparent specific interest in the special problems the topic presents us with.
   You've helped me focus in on what i think may be the heart of the matter: the common name for the topic misnames the entity in question, and arguably our normal practices that work so well with the run-of-the-mill article are going to require improvisation to deal with thes special case. The diplomats have given us the solution of Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, but it seems unlikely that any crisis, sufficiently hot to mobilize them, will threaten us over this naming problem, and likewise i doubt searching for a sufficiently particular guideline would work, let alone be worth the effort.
   Specifically, lead sentences almost without exception begin by reiterating the title of the article, and stating the scope of the article, usually by a dictdef. Your enormous improvement is grammatical, but my complaint fixated on that red herring (that presumably was forced on one editor, or more likely a sequence of them, by the FYRM-like problem). There's a solid guideline somewhere that's usually met by having the lead sent mention the title as its grammatical subject, and provide a dictdef for it. It seems to me that here the relation between formal name, practical name, and the scope of the topic is so complex that our task is to find the least confusing way of meeting the usual goals without expecting the guidelines to give us all the answers. I boldly trust myself to do that whenever cases this tough show up (i've done this enuf, and grown old enuf, to be exceedingly vague about whether that's ever actually occurred in my editing!), as long as i have a grasp of the facts about the topic and the colloquial usage. But in this case i'm a complete ignoramus. (Sorry i can't prove that to you by dredging up the sequence of reading and edit by which i stumbled into this topic ... beyond saying i'm sure it didn't really stem from The Knights who say "Ni!" ... even tho my mental pronunciation of "Nittanny" is ... uhh, sort of affected by what i think is a glottal stop in "Ni!". Never mind....)
   Bottom line (while i suspect that the simplest solution, but a sucky one, would be redirecting the title to Penn State University collegiate athletic program or Collegiate athletic program of Penn State University!): Can you tell me whether the verifiable facts are along the lines that PS c.a. is, colloquially, collectively called "Penn State Nittany Lions"? (I would guess that, if it is, "the Nittany Lions" would be equally acceptable, even tho i gather some or all of the women's teams are or were called "The Lady Lions", "Lady Lions", or the like).
   (It'd be great for us to collaborate to thoro'ly work this out, but failing that i'd also be pleased if one of us does the editing, drawing on whatever grudgingly supplied insights from the other they find useful.)
--Jerzy•t 23:19, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

You asked, "Can you tell me whether the verifiable facts are along the lines that PS c.a. is, colloquially, collectively called "Penn State Nittany Lions"? (I would guess that, if it is, "the Nittany Lions" would be equally acceptable, even tho i gather some or all of the women's teams are or were called "The Lady Lions", "Lady Lions", or the like)."

The athletic program is called the Pennsylvania State University Athletic Program. The teams in the various varsity sports that comprise the athletic program are officially called the Nittany Lions. I do not believe that "Lady Lions" is an official moniker, although it may be a registered trademark of the university. Only the women's basketball team is today called the Lady Lions, although no one bats an eyelash when someone calls them Nittany Lions. The term "Lady Lions" dates from the 1970s when Title IX was implemented. During that decade all of the women's varsity teams were called the Lady Lions, albeit unofficially. The practice of using the term "Lady" as a prefix to the mascot name was in wide use for many collegiate women's sports teams in the 1970s, e.g, Lady Lobos, Lady Bears, Lady Bulldogs, Lady Statesmen, etc. In the 1980s the practice waned and almost disappeared, which is still its current status. The name of the Penn State Lady Lions basketball team evokes the earlier era from which it has persisted. Jeff in CA (talk) 10:49, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

   Thanks, fascinating! Rather than going off half-cocked, i'll add more here in a day or two. EIitFtPtWDFO
--Jerzy•t 11:10, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Nunez rocks

I agree that they are south of the A-B line, but I can't find any US map that acknowledges them as Canadian. Plus the description says the US uses Nunez Rocks as a basepoint for its territorial sea. --Lasunncty (talk) 07:01, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I doubt there's any official US government map that acknowledges Nunez Rocks as such. That's because, to the US government, they do not exist as land. Being submerged for part of each day, they are a "Low Tide Elevation" (LTE) as defined by the UNCLOS. Although the US has never ratified the UNCLOS, the State Department voluntarily adheres to its terms and the prescriptive methods promulgated by it. Under the UNCLOS, the method for ascertaining a territorial sea around a state's coasts allows the use of LTEs as basepoints, even though they are not "land." The US has used Nunez Rocks as such a basepoint. This is strange indeed, because if part of Nunez Rocks were never submerged (i.e., an island), then the US would consider it to be part of Canada. Of course, Canada considers all lands and waters south of the "A-B" Line to be Canadian. (Note also that UNCLOS does not allow claims of territorial seas that are based solely upon uninhabitable rocks.)

There is a weird parallel situation that involves the US. Quita Sueno Bank in the Caribbean used to be claimed by both Columbia and the US. The US ceded its claim in part because, according to its analysis, none of the features of the bank were islands, just all LTEs. However, in a recent case between Columbia and Nicaragua at the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague pertaining to UNCLOS, the court used an analytical method that found one of the 54 features to be an island and awarded sovereignty over the bank to Columbia on that basis.

I'll credit XavierGreen for enabling me to boil down the answers to my many questions into the synopsis above. He and I had a lengthy discussion in Talk:Territorial evolution of the United States regarding the logic of the US position vis-a-vis the UNCLOS. That discussion is interspersed among and within several of the Talk topics there.

So Nunez Rocks is a special situation for practical purposes. On the one hand, it is unmistakably above-water territory for part of each day, while on the other, it is a LTE according to the UNCLOS regime. Ownership of the waters that each day surround that territory is disputed between the US and Canada. So this "part-time island" is certainly not American and arguably can only be Canadian. What is observable to the eye for part of every day is a Canadian physical island surrounded by waters that are claimed by the United States (as well as by Canada). Jeff in CA (talk) 19:22, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Thinking about this again, I still don't believe the rocks can be considered an en/exclave. The fact that the US uses them for its baseline means that it claims them to be American. As you say, it can only do this because it doesn't classify them as "land". --Lasunncty (talk) 08:55, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

I submit the following points for consideration.

• Islands are physical observable natural masses, some of which are islands for only part of each day.

• An enclave can exist in a condition of occasionally or repeatedly being submerged and exposed by water.

• The concept of "Low Tide Elevations" as "features" to be regarded as part of the water area in which they are located is an artificial one, created for the purpose of inter-entity understanding.

• The concept of "Low Tide Elevation" under the UNCLOS treaty regime does not pose a conflict with the physical observable reality of a natural mass that is exposed above the water that surrounds it.

• Canada claims ownership of everything south of the A-B Line. Nunez Rocks, which are intermittently submerged every day, lie south of the A-B Line.

• The United States, under its interpretation of the 1903 arbitration decision, has consistently maintained and still does maintain that natural masses south of the A-B Line that are normally above water are owned by Canada. This interpretation preceded the later concept of "Low Tide Elevation" under the UNCLOS treaty regime.

• Until the U.S. in the late 1970s declared a sea delimitation about its coast, it regarded any water area south of the A-B Line (covered by the 1903 Arbitration decision) to be international waters.

• The U.S. claim to ownership of Nunez Rocks is based upon the UNCLOS treaty regime construct for promulgating territorial sea delimitations for recognition internationally. Nunez Rocks lies within the coastal delimitation declared by the U.S. That Nunez Rocks is a UNCLOS LTE additionally served to allow the U.S. to enhance its delimitation.

• However, the U.S. claim does not depend on Nunez Rocks qualifying as a LTE. The claim exists simply because the rocks are within a specified distance of the U.S. coast.

• The U.S. is not a signatory to the UNCLOS treaty. In fact, absent a UNCLOS treaty ratification, the U.S. is free to ignore its modus operandi and lay claim to any international waters in the world.

• Only upon declaring a territorial sea area in the late 1970s did the U.S. claim the waters surrounding Nunez Rocks.

• Canada claims and (with Britain before it) has had an uninterrupted claim to ownership of Nunez Rocks no matter what its natural, physical, temporal or conceptual status is.

• International water surrounding a natural mass with claimed ownership does not constitute an enclave. On the other hand, water within the declared territorial sea of one nation surrounding a natural mass that has had an uninterrupted claim of ownership by another nation is indeed an enclave (albeit an unusual one in this case).

Jeff in CA (talk) 17:59, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Are you saying that the US considers them to be Canadian only during low tide? --Lasunncty (talk) 01:19, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

No. Let me say this: Because the U.S. used Nunez Rocks as a LTE in 1977, the U.S. might have in effect "amended," vis-a-vis Nunez Rocks only, its long-standing position regarding land south of the A-B Line. That's debatable. What I do believe is that, given the entire geopolitical history, to consider Nunez Rocks as Canadian altogether would indeed most closely adhere to and support the nearly 113-year-old American interpretation of the 1903 arbitration decision.

However, I think much of that part of the discussion is beside the point in determining whether Nunez Rocks is an enclave. Rather than delving into the legal framework of UNCLOS and its conventions, we can instead accept that overlapping claims have existed since 1977 and reach a satisfactory determination based on the definition of "enclave" and the physical reality of Nunez Rocks. It is not necessary for either government to establish or acknowledge ownership; an undisputed status quo is not a prerequisite. (As for example, Barak is currently an enclave, but Kyrgyzstan fiercely denies that the land around it belongs to Uzbekistan.) Indeed, one can profess that, for Nunez Rocks, the dispute has hatched the enclave. -- Jeff in CA (talk) 21:33, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

It still seems this should be a "potential...pending" en/exclave just because the US's position is not clear.

I have seen maps clearly showing the Barak en/exclave. Presumably they must be Uzbek maps if Kyrgyzstan claims the surrounding territory as well. --Lasunncty (talk) 06:39, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

In the cases of the other such potential exclaves that are listed, there are proposed agreements that if implemented would result in the formation of exclaves that do not yet exist.

Here, it is asserted that the exclave exists in the unresolved current scenario. If there were to be a resolution of the 113-year-old conflict, and either of the parties prevailed on the matter of Nunez Rocks instead of reaching a compromise, there would be no exclave.

The exclave as it currently exists is somewhat abstruse. Because the dispute over the 1903 arbitration wording is unresolved between two parties, the claim status can be shown in a Boolean table as four possibilities. Either one side or the other owns everything, or one side owns the Rocks while the other side owns the water. No one possibilty supercedes any of the others. All four possibilities co-exist but none prevails. The very reason that none prevails is that the dispute is unresolved.

In other words, while it is valid to view one side owning both the Rocks and surrounding waters, that view is not exclusive. It is equally valid to view the current situation as one side owning the Rocks and the other side the waters (i.e., an exclave).

So can we have an exclave existing in the midst of such an unsettled and inexplicit situation? Yes, IMHO.

Jeff in CA (talk) 02:12, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying, but I don't see it that way. To me it appears to be merely disputed territory, with both sides claiming both the rocks and the surrounding waters. It would only become an en/exclave if the US gave up its claim to the rocks and/or Canada gave up its claim to the water.

Another reservation I have about it is that I can find no outside source that mentions even the possibility of an en/exclave here. --Lasunncty (talk) 10:09, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I can't argue with the substance of your reply. I disagree with the word "only." Now then, where have we arrived with our discussion? Do you have a proposed next step? Jeff in CA (talk) 02:33, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

True, there are other ways. I guess I meant the ones I mentioned would be the simplest or most likely.

Should we ask for more input? Is there an authority on the subject we can consult? If not, we could put in the notes that the status depends on the interpretation of the treaties and international laws, or something to that effect.

Thank you for hearing me out, and for your well though out responses. I also appreciate the many improvements you have made to the page for the past 4 years. --Lasunncty (talk) 05:30, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

I asked people at the Yahoo Group Borderpoint to weigh in. I received the following response from Len Nadybal:

It takes two to tango. In law, parties needing to decide an issue need standing. You can't have an exclave without a border except in the context of a discussion about the concerned parties' views. Ergo, the subject area doesn't "yet" belong in a list of exclaves/enclaves. I wouldn't call the area "disputed" - just unresolved or ambiguous. The area could also be considered (listed in WP) to be an unincorporated condominium with undefined extent.

Jeff in CA (talk) 00:17, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

re Canal Zone

I apologize, I haven't worked on this for a few weeks and my mental bandwidth for it completely disappeared, so I have no clue what changes need to be made, etc.

If you tell me exactly what entries need to be changed or added, and what to be done in each one, then I'll do it. That's the best way of doing it, just tell me what to do and I'll do it, rather than me read your stuff and try to figure out what has and hasn't been done. :) Is that making too much work for you? If so we can review what there already is, but this is definitely the easiest avenue for me. --Golbez (talk) 18:51, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

It's easy for me also to simply tell you specifics. So here goes.

Omit British West Florida from Georgia on the following maps:

• United States Central map 1781-03-01 to 1782-10-29.png
• United States Central change 1781-03-01.png
• United States Central disputes 1781-03-01 to 1781-04-04.png
• United States Central disputes 1781-04-04 to 1781-06-16.png
• United States Central dispute change 1781-04-04.png
• United States Central disputes 1781-06-16 to 1782-02-22.png
• United States Central dispute change 1781-06-16.png
• United States Central disputes 1782-02-22 to 1784-05-12.png
• United States Central dispute change 1782-02-22.png
• United States Central map 1782-10-29 to 1782-12-30.png
• United States Central change 1782-10-29.png
• United States Central map 1782-12-30 to 1784-03-01.png
• United States Central change 1782-12-30.png
• United States Central map 1784-03-01 to 1787-07-13.png
• United States Central change 1784-03-01.png

This part is DONE. Please review, thanks! --Golbez (talk) 04:13, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Perfect! Thank you! Jeff in CA (talk) 16:22, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

On the existing map, "United States Caribbean change 1915-05-01.png":

• Show Punta Paitilla in the olive color as part of Panama (remove the tiny border on it).
• Alter the northwesternmost border of the CZ at the Caribbean. The straight north-south portion of that border should extend straight northward all the way to the Caribbean coast.

This part is DONE. Please review, thanks! --Golbez (talk) 05:08, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

You got it! Thanks! Jeff in CA (talk) 15:47, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Add a new map ("United States Caribbean change 1918-08-21.png") that:

• shows Punta Paitilla as a part of Canal Zone.
• shows the area of 3168 acres west of the mouth of Rio Chagres (the area is the northwestern part of the Zone extending to Piña) as Canal Zone territory. (Image: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/CanalZone.png)

This part is done. I propagated the change to the other maps, but have not made the other changes detailed below yet. --Golbez (talk) 04:22, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Nice! Thank you! Here's something good that I noticed. When you put in the Canal Zone corridor near Madden Dam, you will have the map not only for April 1955, but also for July 1939. They look the same and only differ in the text. Two for the price of one. Jeff in CA (talk) 16:35, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Propagate that last change (Zone extending to Piña) to these existing maps:

• United States Caribbean change 1919-09-18.png
• United States Caribbean change 1924-06-05.png (also change the date to 1924-02-01)
• United States Caribbean change 1955-04-11.png (also change text, "Corridor ceded to Panama", to "Panama's corridor re-aligned") (also insert the CZ's corridor between the Zone and :Madden Lake – no text necessary)
• United States Caribbean change 1955-08-23.png (also insert the CZ's corridor between the Zone and Madden Lake – no text necessary)

CZ's corridor between the Zone and Madden Lake:

See image: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9LDb9lFYjVPNnZWelc4MGtYQ00/view?usp=sharing The CZ corridor goes from the place marked "Map 5" to that marked "Map 7."

1919-09-18 - Done.

1924-02-01 - Done.

1955-04-11 - Why should it be changed to "Panama's corridor re-aligned?" There was already a corridor? I thought it was established on this date. As for the corridor between the zone and Madden Lake - I'm not sure what I'm looking for in that map?

Thank you! --Golbez (talk) 15:23, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Both corridors were created by the treaty effective July 1939. The one already shown in your April 1955 map was one of them. It transferred some CZ land to Panama. The treaty effective April 1955 changed the corridor alignment to match new road construction on the road that defined the corridor. This change is too slight to appear on your map.

The second corridor was transferred to the CZ in July 1939 and was an existing road in Panama between Madden Dam and the CZ border. The road made for a direct route to the CZ from the dam, around the flooded tributaries of the Rio Chagres downstream of the dam. To make it easier to see, I have traced that route in color on the same image on my Google Drive.

Effectively, the maps for both July 1939 and April 1955 will be the same map, just with different text. Jeff in CA (talk) 18:54, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Jeff in CA (talk) 19:52, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

OK, so to clarify:

• I'm adding a map for July 1939 that includes the corridor presently in the 1955 map. It also includes the road between Madden Dam and Canal Zone.
• I'm removing the 1955 map (replacing with 'too small to map') and noting that there was a change to a corridor on this date but it's too small to show.
• The 1939 map will include the Colon corridor as belonging to Panama, and that red corridor you very helpfully marked on your map as belonging to Canal Zone.

All that correct? --Golbez (talk) 18:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Whoops, forgot that there were other changes in 1955. OK, not changing 1955 map at all except to add the Madden corridor. --Golbez (talk) 18:48, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Done. Am I missing anything? :) --Golbez (talk) 18:56, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

That's great. I don't think you're missing anything! Jeff in CA (talk) 19:10, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I do see a couple mistakes that need to be fixed, and I made one of them. I marked the wrong route for the Canal Zone corridor to Madden Dam. I have uploaded a new version of the image on my Google drive with the red dots showing the adjacent correct route. (See image: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9LDb9lFYjVPNnZWelc4MGtYQ00/view?usp=sharing) You can see that I have also marked an area outlined in green dots. This is an area that was added to the CZ on April 15, 1931. There is an entry for that event in the article with "too small to map" noted. However, it needs to be included as part of the CZ Madden Lake area in subsequent maps, i.e., the three change maps that you have been editing currently. Here is another view of an image showing the boundary in color: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9LDb9lFYjVPMzJPTkhpTlpUcXc/view?usp=sharing

Jeff in CA (talk) 20:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

No problem, so ...

• Move eastern corridor to the new path in your image
• Add a map for 1931-04-15 for the land area added around Madden to the CZ

Done, please review. Thank you! --Golbez (talk) 19:45, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Looks like the only Canal Zone item left now is to copy the new image from July 1939 and use it to replace the image at April 1955, and modify its text to say the Colon corridor was re-aligned in 1955. Jeff in CA (talk) 07:53, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

I did, but in August 1955... It looks like the April 1955 image is supposed to be replaced with 'too small to map'. Done, does it make sense now? --Golbez (talk) 13:37, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes. It works just fine that way. I believe that's all for now and the Canal Zone scope of the work is done. Congratulations! You have produced a truly outstanding, monumental product. Jeff in CA (talk) 15:37, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

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NCAA team championships

Please stop undoing my changes. I created all of these sections last year and am now splitting them into NCAA team championships and Other team championships.(Paulmec) (talk)

I created the non-NCAA team championships parts for the very reason that there were national championships other than NCAA championships that are equally valid, national in scope and held in high esteem by each school. There is no reason to separate out NCAA-only. If a school only has NCAA titles, then I have no objection. There are many editors on Wikipedia; no one owns their own contributions.Jeff in CA (talk) 01:07, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

How about we have a National team championships section, and under it, 2 sub-sections of NCAA team championships and Other team championships?

That seems like a good way to accommodate this, as at the Virginia Cavaliers article. The sub-section "Other team championships" should only be national, not conference, championships. Maybe that title should be "Other team national championships." Jeff in CA (talk) 07:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for working with me on this. Please check out the ACC that I just did (except FSU) and I used your naming suggestion. Use the link below and click on the number in the 'Total' column. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Conference#NCAA_team_championships (Paulmec) (talk)

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Error in the Canada–U.S. boundary article

I wonder how you could think this edit is correct? The Collins–Valentine survey of the early 1770s was indeed inaccurate, but according to the Webster–Ashburton treaty of 1842, it stands: the border is where Collins and Valentine put their inaccurate markers, and NOT at the 45th parallel where it was originally intended to be. When the inaccuracy of the survey was discovered, it was decided NOT to correct it. I don't think any of the buildings standing today on the border between Vermont and Quebec were built before the early 1770s, and only if they were would it be before the border was surveyed. Michael Hardy (talk) 21:19, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

I commented on that particular edit here. Michael Hardy (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

All I meant to indicate was that "demarcation" is the accurate geopolitical term, not delineation. I included the phrase on surveying to touch on the effect of surveying techniques. I agree with the points you have made. Jeff in CA (talk) 23:13, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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NASL indoor inconsistencies

Hey Jeff, Since I tend to do a lot of the NASL indoor edits, I'm happy to fix whatever it was that you were referring to in your edits of the NASL page the other day. But could you please explain what you meant, with some more specificity? For whatever reason I'm completely missing what you're talking about. I guess it's been one of those days. Kind regards -Creativewill (talk) 02:50, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

I have an indoor mystery that I'm trying to clear up. I was hoping it might be mentioned in one of your back-issues of Soccer America. Apparently the Houston Hurricane hosted a four-team indoor tournament in 1978, on March 14 and 15, involving the Dallas Tornado, LA Aztecs and San Diego Sockers. It was called the Schlitz Professional Indoor Soccer Tournament. I've found a partial recap of the matches from Day 1 (Dal vs LA, 18–7; and Hstn vs SD, 10–5), but very little on Day 2 –only a hint that Dallas may have lost to SD. Anything you can dig up would be helpful. Thanks in advance. -Creativewill (talk) 12:20, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

George Clarke

The information I provided on the Republic of East Florida page came word for word from the George J. F. Clarke page. Yet, I only see you bully the Floridian page.

What's up with that?

EDIT: I apologize for suggesting you are a bully. I've dealt with a lot of bullies before. A lot of people tend to Bully Native Floridians and we don't like it, haha. But my language was not kind to you. How can we work together to ensure that accurate information is but on this page?

Is the information from the Clarke page not accurate? Because scholarly sources are used. It seems like only anti-Patriot scholarly sources are being used. I look at The Republic of West Florida, it's counterpart and they seem to not have this problem with their sources. So what are wrong with mine? I get that you don't want Self Published per WIKI policy. What is wrong with the scholarly sources?

Again, I am willing to admit wrong with using self-published sources. I am only using scholarly sources now. Someone used a scholarly source previously that had B. Harris being assassinated in the wrong year. I corrected it. But most of my edits are being undone by you... You seem to imply that I exaggerate. But from my point of view, you are spreading the wrong information by deleting my scholarly sources. How can we work together? Willing to do it, instead of a back and forth editing war. EastFloridaHistorian (talk) 02:24, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Apology accepted and no worries. I am secure in my self-image. So, first let me say, whatever the West Florida article exhibits has nothing to do with the editing of this article. It is this article that we are writing for the encyclopedia. Also, whatever edits of yours have been undone have not been undone mostly by me. But let me admit my mistake: it was I who typed "1815"; the source said "1814," so it was my fingers that betrayed my head.

I accept Clarke's verbatim account in Vignoles as accurate, as he wrote it in 1821 specifically to recount his own experiences. Getting from those words to some of the wording in the Wikipedia passages you noted requires, perhaps not exaggeration, but rather, a leap. As for sources, Vignoles, Wasserman and Wyllys are cited. For this specific passage, Wasserman refers to Wyllys for his statement that the Patriots "finally ended their 'revolution' after four years of attempted conquest." Look up the cited Wyllys page, and you'll see that Wyllys cited C. M. Brevard as his source for his specific statement that "the East Florida Revolution at last came to an end" in 1816. 

Caroline Brevard's book is an elementary school history book published in 1919.  Its treatment of the Republic of Florida is on pages 87-90 of Part I. There is no mention of anything from 1815-1816. Clarke is never mentioned. Wyllys refers to a 1924 edition, which I have not found. Given the simple reading level at which this book is written, I can't imagine that the author would have enlarged this short section to include Clarke's mission in a later edition. She places the Madison 1812 letter after her description of the 1814 events and simplifies all events (after all, it's for grade school kids). The last thing (chronologically) that Brevard mentions is the fighting between Newman and the Seminoles in 1814.  Wyllys' subsequent statement about the East Florida Revolution coming to an end in 1816 is certainly not supported by this Brevard book. I won't attempt to explain why Wyllys cited her work or what actual source he may have meant.

So I have yet to see a reliable work cited that (1) establishes the Republic was continuous throughout four years, in fact and in deed, (2) contains records of the business of the legislature, (3) illustrates that a functioning Republic government exercised control over the area that it claimed, (4) shows that the 1816 malcontents were a direct continuation of the Patriots from a few years earlier, or (5) that Clarke was seeking terms of peace with an organized military opponent, rather than seeking to restore order among the reigning anarchy. These are a few of the potential concerns. (Oh ... and Kindelan was not the governor in 1816 when the trio of guys went out; Governor Coppinger was.)

I am not claiming that all of those things never happened. It is certainly possible that I've missed the relevant sources in my limited finite time. If that's the case, and the reliable supporting works are available, let's share them and celebrate.Jeff in CA (talk) 22:51, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

I think you make some fair points. By this discussion, I have learned about your point of view. I believe that you are right and is not a complete source on the Republic from any single author. All you and I can do is dig through scraps and pieces of works here and there. You point out reasonable contradictions in works.

I agree that no two things are the same, but I would still like to "model" the East Florida page after the Republic of West Florida page because they are sister republics. Even though West Florida lasted three months, it still gets a "country info bar" on the page. I think that the Republic of East Florida should get one too. Since there is no comprehensive source that fits wiki criteria on the dates, I will leave off the dates, only citing "1812" as the Year.

My biggest concern, and it may be too emotional rather than logical, is that East Florida is not accurately represented. I mostly have lore, which does not fit WIKI standards. But I think that all sources point to the ROEF being a country at some point in time. I won't write this on the page, but for your own knowledge... Religious Liberty was the primary cause of the Revolution, at least according to Lore. It is referenced in the Constitution of East Florida (They claimed that Spain had become corrupt and idolized their priests). Feel free to disagree. I think that historians often record things in a uniform opinion, but people are different. It's hard to say what everyone exactly fought for, other than their country/government. Governments are made of people with different ideas and goals. While I don't believe that McIntosh would ever seek to spread slavery, perhaps Kingsley (the International Slaver trader) did. People are different. I will not remove the discussion of slavery from the page. Although, I think it is worth noting that Spain allowed slavery too (albeit a different form). I won't add that either, just the country bar with the flag. It's a nice flag!

Also, I'm a fan of Caroline Brevard. She is honored by the Florida Historical Society with an award. Deserving. Too Bad Sidney Catts was such a terrible Governor. He allegedly hindered her efforts.

Thank you for the thoughtful response, sir! EastFloridaHistorian (talk) 02:24, 14 May 2017 (UTC) P.S. Besides the Country Info Bar, I will link the page to other Florida sites. Only to add VERY brief commentary and a link. I think I've seen you undo some of my edits on other pages before. But now I understand what you don't like/take issue with. By keeping it as neutral as possible, I think you will find the links acceptable.

Constitution of East Florida aka "Florida's First Constitution"

While Secretary Hamilton is the scribe of the constitution, McIntosh is credited as the Primary author, as he presided as president of the republic over the constitutional convention. I am not sure if this is what you meant or if you were just referencing the handwriting, but I thought that it was worth a mention.

I'm REALLY trying hard to compromise. ^_^ But I feel that we risk losing history by "making everyone happy."

I guess I am unsure why we have to remove a signature if the Secretary of East Florida was the one who was the scribe. I understand that it makes the signature not an original, but it is still relevant to the page. Maybe we can just note the handwriting? To me, the Secretary of East Florida is relevant to the page on the Republic of East Florida. EastFloridaHistorian (talk) 14:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

The whole document that it is taken from is in one person's handwriting. What is the notability in a signature if it's not a signature? Jeff in CA (talk) 14:22, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

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Someone is significantly attempting to change the draft on United States military occupation, and id figure you might want to join in the conversation.Garuda28 (talk) 17:05, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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I've been waiting and looking for the announcement of medal reallocations. You have not included sources with your edits. Where are you getting this information? Trackinfo (talk) 05:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

I included the reference in the infoboxes of the 8 affected articles yesterday: Mallon, Bill (26 Sep 2017). "2008-12 OLYMPIC DOPING RE-TEST – AN UPDATE-UPDATE". Retrieved 2017-10-16.

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World Games 2009

Hi, that was interesting that you reverted my edit probably without even checking the reference, I did my researched in time to make sure about the medal table, World Games organizers annulled Bodybuilding results one year later and removed them from the medal table. you can compare the original medal table and the updated one here. There is also one more change because of a positive doping test in Sumo (Men's 85 kg lightweight). source. the result section of IWG website is not up to date. as they still show Sandor BARDOSI - HUN as gold medalist while he is disqualified (another source, international Sumo federation) Mohsen1248 (talk) 18:21, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, I did check the reference and found it lacking, compared to the research that I did two years ago. It is quite obvious that the current results section of the TWG website is not up-to-date, as there are more errors and omissions than just the ones you mentioned here. I do not rely on the results as currently given on their website. Although the previous medal table that you changed included the 21 medals for bodybuilding, it also contained correct results that are not reflected in the table that you have restored there. Your table does not reflect any of the medals for men's beach team handball (gold - Brazil, silver- Hungary, bronze - Croatia). Also, New Zealand actually won 3 silver medals (W aerobic gymnastics, W open kumite karate, M beach life saving - surf) and 6 bronze medals (W beach life saving - ocean, W beach life saving - rescue board, W beach life saving - surf, M Life Saving Combined Relay, W Speed Skating Track - Point Elimination 10.000m, W Speed Skating Track - Sprint 1.000m ), not 4 silver and 5 bronze. And by the way, the bodybuilding results were once again included in the 2009 World Games results that were available on the TWG website in 2015, so who is to say that all 21 medals were forfeited and never reallocated? Of course, it is probable that it was just another error made by the person responsible for the TWG website. Jeff in CA (talk) 00:01, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

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@Golbez: I think those images are very nteresting! I like your idea. Links to them would be a good addition to the list. Man, you like to tackle big projects! I'm trying to imagine what an image of McNeil's line with the Orr and Whitner line would look like. As they are so close together, the necessary resolution would make it a wide image, if my memory is serving me. Jeff in CA (talk) 20:31, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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I have reverted your insertion of an inappropriate table of victims and discussion of the assaults against them. This is inappropriate highlighting of crime victims is in violation of the biographies of living persons policy, and its presentation creates concerns about undue weight . This is a formal warning on grounds of BLP policy. In addition, the presentation appears to be calculated to introduce a disputation of guilt. The table format is itself a problem, and you're edit-warring, so please consider this a warning of edit-warring. In no circumstance should this be introduced in any form without consensus on the talkpage. If it is done again without such consensus I will block you for violations of the BLP policy after warning. Acroterion (talk) 20:40, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

@Acroterion: Please comment at Please discuss: trial testimony and police records about victims instead of here. Jeff in CA (talk) 20:44, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm warning you in my capacity as an administrator about BLP violations. I will not take part in substantive editing or discussion, apart from a statement that BLP is a compulsory policy, and we do not re-victimize victims by re-litigating the trial here in a table of assaults upon them. Acroterion (talk) 20:52, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

@Acroterion: There is nothing having to do with original research or synthesis. Everything is quoted from a reliable secondary source. If you have concerns about those things, please discuss in further detail rather than make unfounded accusations. Jeff in CA (talk) 22:57, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

@Acroterion:Outside of the table, any names you encountered in the article were not placed there by me. They were already in the article and, again, not placed there by me. Why don't you go after those perps, instead of focusing all your anger on me. Your latest outburst and your determined effort to prevent a discussion with other editors from occurring leads me to believe that you have a very thin skin. Please get outdoors and get some fresh air. Jeff in CA (talk) 17:08, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Apart from Victim 1, who is named, the victims are noted in the article as "Victim n" and not named. There is "John Doe A." Throughout the article they're "victims" and "accusers." A curated table naming victims and examining their behavior is a clear BLP violation, which is the essential point you're missing. You're using the encyclopedia to name and cross-examine rape victims. Acroterion (talk) 17:25, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

@Acroterion: Come on. I'm not missing that point. I am not trying to find a way to get any of their names in the article. Any contribution I make in the future will not include such name(s). I didn't think I had to say that. I honestly want to have a discussion with other editors to understand other policy concerns that have been voiced elsewhere. Why is that, when an actual rational, respectful discussion is proposed, some jump to the conclusion of an ulterior motive? If one can understand these other objections and the bases upon which they are made (including how two editors can cite the same policy for their disparate positions), perhaps some unpleasantness can be avoided. Jeff in CA (talk) 17:43, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

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If it included everything between the Perdido and the Mississippi, didn’t it include some of modern Alabama? If so, how do you think it should be handled? The article says the border was the Perdido, not the Pearl. deisenbe (talk) 09:17, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: Please look at the map in the article: (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Westfloridaitsre00cham_0010.jpg). It shows the boundaries of the British and Spanish colonies and the independent state. The area of the independent republic is the diagonally cross-hatched area, which stops at the Pearl River. Jeff in CA (talk) 01:50, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

I’d never seen that map, that I recall. That settles it. Thanks. deisenbe (talk) 09:40, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

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Hello Jeff in CA,

On medal table for 1900, you write "There are sources, besides the International Olympic Committee (IOC), that display variations in the medal totals, but as the governing body of the Olympic Games, the IOC is the acknowledged source." and the last medal table published by Olympic Movement on Olympic.org for 1900 is [1] with the same number of medals than before your last changements ([2]). You write too on 1900 Summer Olympics "However, the IOC has never decided which events were "Olympic" and which were not" but your source is 23 years old and on [3], the source code of this page has this commentary "Access the official Olympic database of results. It contains all records since Athens 1896 and is searchable by Olympic Games, sport or event." and there are only two cycling events by example. I believe, even if Bill Mallon did a great job, official sources are preponderant on historian's job to know what is currently recognized as official.

185.24.185.195 (talk) 11:23, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

IOC is the source of the current count of medals for 1900. On its page for "Paris 1900", it states that there were 95 medal events, which corresponds to Bill Mallon's recommendation. The woefully incomplete so-called "IOC database" contains at least ten fewer events. So the IOC website itself is inconsistent. I have included and cited the conclusion of Lennartz and Teutenberg, which you mentioned and which Bill Mallon has independently confirmed, in several articles. The IOC in fact has never made any decision on which events are Olympic and which are not. The claim that the IOC had made such a century-old decision was used to buttress an argument that the IOC's flawed medal count was somehow inviolable. The IOC itself must have recognized this when it recently obtained the rights to the OlyMADMen database (the source of the sportsreference.com data), which was created and is maintained by Bill Mallon.

The point is that there are no official sources for "official" Olympic events of 1900, because the IOC has never made such a determination. The statement on the IOC website that there were 95 events is what we must work with.

I have a couple of statements about your comments. (1) The note, "There are sources... acknowledged source," is not mine. I simply toned down one word so that it now says "acknowledged." That entire note should probably go away. (2) https://www.olympic.org/olympic-results is not a source that I will cite (however, I have cited the IOC "Paris 1900" page) . If indeed it does say that it contains all records since Athens 1896 (which by the way I do not see at that url), then it is simply wrong, as you have demonstrated by finding only two cycling events, when the IOC "Paris 1900" web page says there were 95 events, which then must include a third Olympic cycling event (the course de primes).

Thank you for discussing this. Jeff in CA (talk) 15:00, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

NCAA Emerging Sports for Women

Hey Jeff. I'm writing an article about NCAA Emerging Sports for Women. Because I saw that you wrote a lot about the NCAA I wanted to ask you what do you think about this unfinished article and if you can help me. Thank you. --Malo95 (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Malo95:I am sorry to be so late in getting back to you. I have taken a look at your unfinished article. The outline is well-structured. However, it does need fleshing out with more "meat on the bones". For some of the links to main articles, there may be some better ones to link, such as college rugby or National Collegiate Equestrian Association. Perhaps there could be some mention for each sport about which colleges fielded teams under the program, who the strong teams were, which teams won championships, or whether the sport came close to achieving full NCAA status. Maybe there is a prominent coach that could be mentioned, or an athlete who competed in the Olympics. These are just a few ideas. The article doesn't have to be perfect before you publish it. But I think it should contain more information than it does now. I can't help with the research right now unfortunately. I'd be happy to do a little copyediting though. Again, great effort. There is great potential. Jeff in CA (talk) 06:09, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

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You removed my edit that I put time into because the format does not abide to a format for U.S. college sports in Wikiedpia. Can you provide a source for that? I see several other sports pages with other formats as well, and I was not informed of this when I was editing the public Division II colleges in Califronia.

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@SJSU Moi: Please see #6 above. Jeff in CA (talk) 00:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

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@Jeff in CA: Thank you for the reply! I think your support for the stance you bring is well-done. If I recall correctly, I think you edited my contribution in Humboldt State Lumberjacks by renaming the section to "Championships" Would having the same outline I made, while taking into consideration of other championships, in Long Beach State 49ers be okay? Thank you for your Wikipedia efforts. :) (talk) 21:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

@SJSU Moi: I like your most recent revision on Long Beach State 49ers. Nice job. I think Cal State Bakersfield is in the same situation after my last edit to it, unless you've already tended to it. I think you may need to put UCSD's 6 pre-NCAA and 21 Division III NCAA titles in. Cal State-East Bay's and Chico State's articles appear to need the women's AIAW titles restored. Others maybe? I really appreciate your cooperation and consideration.Jeff in CA (talk) 21:08, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

@Jeff in CA: Yeah I'll go ahead and edit that for CSU Bakersfield. I'll include all championships a school has earned in the future, although I am planning to complete this only for public California colleges. I'll take a look at the previous schools and see what championships are missing. Thank you for your compliment haha (talk) 21:25, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

@Jeff in CA: All of the NCAA Division II public schools in California and CSU Bakersfield, CSU Fullerton, Long Beach State, and Sacramento State are done. The only thing I did not include was the NAIA championships, and there isn't a Wikipedia directory for that. (talk) 00:36, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

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Books & Bytes, Issue 31

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Issue 31, October – Novemeber 2018

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You are cordially invited to Stanford University to celebrate Wikipedia's birthday

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Fixing the edits at Territories of the United States

Thanks for picking up the deletion of text. I think I may have accidentally messed up the process while trying to restore those refs. I was cleaning up after an editor who I noticed had been removing proper refs from a wide range of articles over a long time period, and I probably failed to double check and make sure that intermediate edits were left intact. I had no intention of removing so much content in the process. Sorry for making you undo my edits. I'll be more careful in the future. ― A Poor Historian (talk) 03:47, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 32

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Issue 32, January – February 2019

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Books & Bytes, Issue 33

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Issue 33, March – April 2019

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Isla Portillos versus Isla Calero

Hi. Your Undid revision in List of divided islands article on Isla Portillos is the same article in Spanish Wikipedia than Isla Calero. According the English Wikipedia Isla Calero has other names inlucing Isla Portillos and Harbour Head Island. So please don't revise the article Isla Calero from the List of divided islands to Isla Portillos because it is the same island. You can always change the name of Isla Calero to Isla Portillo in the main article Isla Calero. --84.248.90.122 (talk) 08:45, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Although they are adjacent, they are different islands. Jeff in CA (talk) 14:39, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Note the following from the Spanish Wikipedia article on Isla Calero (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_Calero):

A note of clarification: despite all the information that has been generated from the facts, the conflict is not taking place directly on Isla Calero, with 151.6 km², but on the Isla Portillos (located to the north of Calero) which is the eighth largest island in Costa Rica, with 16.8 km² and includes the current National Wildlife Refuge North Border Corridor, according to executive decree No. 23248-MIRENEN of May 18, 1994 . This Isla Portillos has been confused, both by Nicaraguans and Costa Ricans (confusion that, to a certain extent, has been encouraged by the press and the governments of both countries), with the larger Isla Calero. In spite of this, for the purposes of international information, the conflict has transcended as the "Calero Island conflict".

Una nota que debe aclararse es que, a pesar de toda la información que se ha generado a partir de estos hechos, en realidad el conflicto no se está dando directamente en la isla Calero, con 151.6 km², sino en la isla Portillos (ubicada al norte de Calero) la cual es la octava isla costarricense de mayor extensión, con 16.8 km² y comprende el actual Refugio Nacional de Vida Silvestre Corredor Fronterizo Norte, según decreto ejecutivo No. 23248-MIRENEN del 18 de mayo de 1994. Esta isla Portillos ha sido confundida, tanto por nicaragüenses como por costarricenses (confusión que, en cierta medida, ha sido alentada por la prensa y los gobiernos de ambos países), con la isla Calero, de mayor tamaño. A pesar de esto, para efectos de información internacional, el conflicto ha trascendido como el «conflicto por isla Calero».

Jeff in CA (talk) 01:28, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes Issue 34, May – June 2019

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Issue 34, May – June 2019

• Partnerships
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1981 FINA Women's Water Polo World Cup in Brisbane, Australia

Hi Jeff, the only information I have about this edition of the World Cup is what is published in the HistoFINA book. 5 teams from 4 countries were participating: CAN, NED, USA, AUS and AUS II (AUS did it with two different rosters). The final ranking was CAN (gold), NED (silver] AUS (bronze) USA (4th) and AUS II (5th). FINA only gives credits to the Gold Medallists team, in that case CAN and the Roster was: Sylvie ARCHAMBAULT, Tracy CRANDALL, Odile DELASERRA, Isabel DESCHAMES, Michele DESPATIS, Jocelyne DUMAY, Diedre FINCHAW, Johanne GERBAIS, Janice GILBEY, Heather GIFFORD, Hilary KNOWLES, Denise PREFONTAINE, Sylvie THIBAULT SaGoBCN (talk) 06:32, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Removed borough from List_of_towns_and_boroughs_in_Pennsylvania?

Hi! I noticed you removed a borough from the list of boroughs in Pennsylvania. The borough of Monroeville, Allegheny county has a home rule charter. And it is a borough. I think it should be listed both on List_of_towns_and_boroughs_in_Pennsylvania and on List_of_Pennsylvania_municipalities_and_counties_with_home_rule_charters,_optional_charters,_or_optional_plans. --SV Resolution(Talk) 11:41, 8 August 2019 (UTC)