User talk:Merbabu

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Kind regards and happy editing - Merbabu

Archives

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Your comments below, please...

Your cats are back ...

... for the moment at least. Category:The Unforgettable Fire and the other two, with no CfD relisting so far. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I spoke too soon, someone has relisted them at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_October_13#Relisting_of_U2_categories. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Keyboards

Current one is hungarian, the last lot was polish, previous one finnish, and before russian - sigh I cannot wait to get back to my monolingual imac english one that doesnt have dicey spacebar!! There is a current afd you might want to deal with cheers. Gimme a gmail sometime!!SatuSuro 13:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

U2 360 images

If you still think the Bono & Adam Clayton shot is too dark, there's also this one of Bono and The Edge which I just uploaded to Commons. Granted it doesn't have Bono's arm around Edge's neck, but it's a bit more forward-facing and I think a bit clearer/brighter (though the very bottom-left corner does admittedly have the very edge of my friend's hair in the shot). MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 02:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I was messing around with my image programs and accidentally figured out how to lighten the image of Bono and Adam Clayton. I've cropped it too per your suggestion and reuploaded it. Hope you like it. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 02:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

New song articles

I wasn't sure if you'd noticed or not, but earlier today I put out song articles for "Breathe" and Unknown Caller". I was wondering if you'd be able to take a quick look at them and see if I've missed anything major. I think there's enough developmental information in both of them for an article to be okay on the notability side of things. Cheers, MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 01:39, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

pic sizes

What is the obsession about choosing the same number to represent pixel width when the height, and therefore the size, of most of the pictures is different? It makes no sense, and is not a recognised method in policy or style guides. Why? Now we have quite different sizes for some, because you've imposed this notion of the same px setting. Each image has different requirements in terms of detail, interest, quality and context. Each image has a different height. I did not agree with your insistence in the INXS article; I certainly do not agree here. Tony (talk) 15:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Each pic has different requirements such that you have 230, 240, and 250 pix? Come on. That's silly. I agree that default 180px is too small, but the personal and inconsistent whimsy to which you are changing pics is not the solution - it's worse. As for the U2 article, you ended up with your way so please lighten up. --Merbabu (talk) 15:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

PS - as for the style guide my edits were based on previous and long standing version of the style guide - I never did find the discussion regarding the change. --Merbabu (talk) 15:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

wow

watcha doin up at this hour mate (thinks budapest/sydney time diff - nah cannot compute)- that was a pretty amazing string of words mate ! SatuSuro 22:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

oh hell

That is it! It is a sign I should be asleep -you can have it for its worth -im catching that train to itanbul as soon as i can :(SatuSuro 23:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks re your comments re the cultural rather than the language - i think it helped beeble understand our little friends bit better- trust all goes well in the short term - will try to gmail from istanbul in a few days or so cheers - as long as train lag doesnt get to me - hope the istanbul keyboards are better than this one !! SatuSuro 08:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: articles

Oh, don't worry, it's no problem! I know you're a busy guy. =) MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:31, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Image sizes

Obviously he didn't like your post,[1] but this edit seems to be going a little bit too far. I must admit, I'd never thought of changing a policy to win an argument. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Pacific War

I need a second opinion regarding the infobox, could you please help.--119.95.7.96 (talk) 08:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

AFD Discussion

Hello, you may be interested to know that a U2-related article has been nominated for deletion at Articles for Deletion. As a member of the U2 WikiProject, you may be interested in participating in the discussion. The full deletion discussion can be found here. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Zany articles

I know you enjoy finding and reading some zany articles from time to time (such as Tastes like chicken), so I was wondering if you've checked out the Twitter account Best of Wikipedia? They've got a whole whack there that's worth looking at. Cheers, MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:39, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Oops

Oh man, that's hilarious. I can't believe something like that actually happened. I wonder how I've never heard that story before. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:26, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I wonder how much that cost them. They never got the rights to "Send in the Clowns" even for the remastered Red Rocks DVD; it must have been a considerable amount. The old cover is definitely a lot more striking. It makes you wonder what the band would have used if no deal had gone through. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

It just looks like any other castle really. I find that they seem to have a lot more character when they are in ruins, for whatever reason. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:00, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

By the way, on a completely unrelated subject, this is probably the strangest "mix" that I've ever heard for any U2 song. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Hahah, after a few listens the Chipmunk version gets catchy and *almost* likeable ;) That is a really good remix; I think the highlight of my live collection was hearing a ZooTV With or Without You that had this absolutely beautiful little solo tacked on at the end; I think it may actually be the same one as is in this remx! I've always been a bit sad that they didn't keep it for the DVD. And yes, I remember you telling me so! That must have been an absolutely incredible night; it's still my favourite DVD they've ever put out. Dirty Day, Lemon, Love is Blindness... I would love to hear those one day... MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Tomé Pires

Hello, thanks for your interest. I translated the information and references from the Portuguese article. Those references were on the bibliography and I thought it could be useful, so copied them here but you are right and would move it to Further Reading section. To make inline quotations would take some time, but I can try (although much of these are not online for ready consult. --Wikitza (talk) 13:01, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Running to Stand Still

Hey, I was wondering if you have any old photos of "Running to Stand Still" from your ZooTV concert lying around? We're trying to find a good photo of a live performance of the song, but Commons and Flickr either don't have anything useful or use licenses that aren't compatible with Wikipedia. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:16, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Argh, that's too bad. I hope you'll be able to find them again some day; those pictures must have been amazing. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 06:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Nah - they were pretty average actually. More personal mementoes than anything else. --Merbabu (talk) 06:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

No, haven't seen that installment of "Classic Albums" (have seen a couple for other artists). YouTube and Blinkbox have excerpts of the program, but nothing about this song. So if you can add anything from it, yes go ahead, it's as authoritative a source as anything else ... Wasted Time R (talk) 01:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Tjampuan hotel

I thought that was where donald friend hung out when he lived in bali - that would bring some spice into the afd - australian pederast as sometime resident SatuSuro 19:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey thx for ur message. I don't know I hv to sort of mention reason for deleting part of the text, before going further are u Indonesian?

Chriscarol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriscarol (talk • contribs) 14:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: No Line on the Horizon

The edits look fine I think, but the FAC was closed inexplicably. I've asked the closing delegate, User:SandyGeorgia, for clarification on why this occurred since there were no opposes to the promotion. Quite frankly I'm baffled as to why that happened. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hey, thanks very much for the barnstar, I appreciate it! Wasted Time R (talk) 23:26, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Deleting part of economic part "Indonesia" article

Hi Merbabu, Ok, so from what I read abt you, looks like you are not Indonesian. That's alright. You love it, that's good. Nice to meet you here. Anyhow, I am Indonesian and have some education on economic so I'll be critical abt what u write on the economic side. I wasn't aware that I can just delete things right away from Wiki before so mind me on that ;)

I was deleting this part because I think it's not an up to date data..it was from 2006 data. Can you update it with the most recent one?

"As of 2006, an estimated 17.8% of the population was living below the poverty line, defined by the Indonesian government as purchasing power parity of US$1.55 per day (household income). According to the 2006 estimates, nearly half of the population was living on less than US$2 per day.[102]"

If i have some time later I would probably add my suggestion on economic part.

Cheers, Chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriscarol (talk • contribs) 00:22, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: ISHFWILF

I took a bit of a look over it earlier before messing around with the Irish charts; all of it looked pretty good and there wasn't much to change beyond a few tense problems. It's definitely nice to get the "Refimprove" tag that's been hanging on for two years off (and information on the song itself too)! As a sidenote, that was a very nice version of "Bad" too. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Re:page moves

hi, i know this is enlish wikipedia. i do this with example from Universiti Utara Malaysia. every universiti in Malaysia using their native name. thats why i want to change the name for Indonesia University.Mfa fariz (talk) 01:49, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy Merbabu's Day!

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Winter

Not sure if you've seen this yet, but the full cut of the new version of "Winter" has been released for listening: Enjoy. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 23:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

hey nice to meet you........

it's very helpful about your writing about Indonesia...... i added some introductions, it is economy introduction as indeed, Indonesia has the large economy and it has to be shown as the introduction besides its many poor conditions still going on there......

yet, i had a problem...... i used redirect to another page tools when writing 19th largest economy but it doesnt work..... i confuse as i used that tool in other countries and it works..... can you help me ?......

you may re-modify and i hope it can get "the redirect to another page"........ go to Indonesia page and see it !! help me please,

thanks , regard —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikael07 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

hey..........

i beg you to upload the balinese girl picture into the main Indonesian article, it's really beautiful...... Bali remains the most influential culture in Indonesia

I'm learning Indonesia country right now, it's very interesting.......

thanks for once again for improving the article........ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikael07 (talk • contribs) 14:08, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes

You make some good points - as most WP projects go into reverse at this time of the year - a new article or timeline is not a good idea - I agree.

The problem is there is such a range of quality and lack of it - in the Indonesian project - in most cases infected fly by stuff - hard to innoculate against. Will think about the issue over the weekend - hope to come up with some alternatives to the 'timeline of conflict' - which yes could be taken as POV - SatuSuro 01:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Classic fly by example - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVN_Indonesia SatuSuro 02:33, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, WP continues to go to shit...but in more ways than that. --Merbabu (talk) 02:37, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

PS - did you see the TVN website? --Merbabu (talk) 02:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

The website is what I call classic javanese and new order era discourse strategy - say nothing - even if it takes you hours to do it As for the project - there are good bits - you just have to look for them :) SatuSuro 02:43, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

hey..........

deleting an Indonesian economic description in the lead only shows your point of view..........

G-2o, next eleven, and emerging market (with the reference) is fine as the opening of Indonesia's article because it doesn't explain its economy at all, it just gives the description about Indonesia..... there are so many article which use the economic description as the lead, example : US, Greece, Brazil etc......

so, keep deleting that and i keep entering that economic description...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikael07 (talk • contribs) 10:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Why do you delete the flags of the Sister City in Jakarta?

Dear Merbabu,

I am the one who added the flags of cities for the Jakarta's Sister City. Why do you delete it? I'm just merely following the template of Wikipedia featured articles (e.g. New York City). Please answer this, as I am planning to revert the page, otherwise it will be a useless deleting and undeleting experience. Can you please tell me if you replied my message.

Rochelimit (talk) 02:30, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Dear Merbabu, I am adding back the flag to keep the consistency, don't delete it again please :) . BTW thanks for moving the 'bombing' article to the history section

Rochelimit (talk) 17:22, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Dear Merbabu, I notice you deleting the flag pictures again. I was hoping that you will inform me about this, at least a simple response. Your link WP:PRECEDENCE is a missing link, and your description: pictures of flags are 'messy' is subjective. Actually a huge amount of articles of sister cities / twinning cities do include flags, except countries with conflicts (e.g. Ireland - Northern Ireland). Despite of that, I will just give up and leave this dispute 'undisturbed', because it is not such a big problem. Rochelimit (talk) 23:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

List of Indonesian islands

Hi - too many of the blue links in the list link to unrelated articles - I am making grey any that I find like that SatuSuro 00:50, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah - it's hopeless. Ditto for even the newspaper lists. But, lists are like the mess that is MA. There are more important issues. (like flags on the Jakarta article - just kidding). --Merbabu (talk) 02:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry when i see a template that tells me that an archipelago is a continent i remove it - sorry about that SatuSuro 02:44, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Nope he is notoriously cantankerous to those outside his circle of coworkers - it would have to go indirect i am afraid SatuSuro 06:49, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Your turn

G'day - picking on you because you're online. Do you spell out "ten" or just use the number "10"? Can't remember what's the go on this one! Hope you have a great Christmas! Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 06:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Ten it is then! Thanks Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 07:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

ok

thanx...

i understand your point.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikael07 (talk • contribs) 08:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

A page called Bumbu (cuisine)

Hi Merbabu, I'm a newbie here, so I hope you can give me a good guidance here :) Recently I encountered this wiki page Bumbu (cuisine) that in my opinion unnecessary, because I think the word "bumbu" is just an Indonesian translation for the word "spice" or "seasoning". The article is currently a stub. Just today, I found a beautifully written page called Indonesian cuisine, and I think this really the way to go. For me, the best the bumbu page should be merged to Indonesian cuisine page (or just remove entirely because of the redundancy). But, what do you think, as an experienced editor? I have tried to talk about this matter in the bumbu paage, but I'm afraid it's not an effective way of communication since nobody read my comment there, set aside responding. Thank you in advance! Wikislemur (talk) 12:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

yeah, yeah, yeah

Something for the head to get around at this time of night - the hierarchy of regency/province/region or island is being usurped by current templates

But worse still - duplicated red link mess like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_East_Sulawesi - red links in the article and the template - and if you look at the WP IN entries for the same - they put them in - but literally no content and of course no WP:RS SatuSuro 12:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

And if you look really carefully then there is the totally unlinked to anything but the superb box on the right hand side ? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdistricts_of_South_East_Sulawesi a masterpiece of non information if there ever was one :) SatuSuro 12:50, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Ridiculous, but you should find solace in this. --Merbabu (talk) 12:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Keating insults link

So full of win it could make a soufflé rise twice. --Surturz (talk) 10:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Final citations for Achtung Baby

I'm getting ready to nominate Achtung Baby for a WP:FAC, but there's still a few statements that need citations. Since you have more source material than I do, can you go ahead and use that to add footnotes so there are no more uncited statements? Thanks. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 14:07, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I apologize for bringing this up again, but there are a few tags that still remain in the article where certain pieces of information needed verification. If you could add citations (since you seem to have a good array of U2 books), I'd appreciate it - we could then get the ball rolling on a FAC. Thanks. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 07:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

oh yeah - sorry, so much going on on and off wikipedia. I was meaning to do it. Maybe not tonight - neighbourhood Chrissy party and I am moving from beer to red wine as I type. --Merbabu (talk) 10:50, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm noticing there's a bunch of footnotes for "Gardner" in the article, but I don't know what this reference is. Various footnotes include the years 1991, 1992, and 1994, but the only thing listed in the "References" section is her 1991 review of the album for Rolling Stone, which is already used as a separate reference elsewhere in the article. Could you clarify what this is? Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 08:13, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Something for your watchlist

Hi Merbabu, you might want to watchlist Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/23prootie and keep track of the steady parade of 23prootie socks like the one you reverted here - it has amusement value, if nothing else ;) cheers, Nick-D (talk) 07:12, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry

Distracted by many things including real life - in response to your message:- I intended Category:Pre-colonial States of Indonesia to be just that, but then there is Pre-colonial Timor - should we change the name to Pre-colonial Indonesia, or should that be Pre-European colonial Indonesia? While the latter may be more precise, I'm leaning towards the former as a better hook. --Merbabu (talk) 6:15 pm, 15 December 2009, last Tuesday (3 days ago) (UTC+8)

There are some eds who would take issue of the european word either in or out (see [2] for a good example) - it could be argued that the pre colonial is the better way to go SatuSuro 00:38, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Kec

Just checking our subterranean orphans :( and found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdistricts_of_Aceh has kecemantan - it is really kecematan yes? SatuSuro 12:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

It is really beyond me when the project has to carry both of these - can you think of any good reason why?

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdistricts_of_Indonesia
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_regencies_and_cities_of_Indonesia

bit like the farce of having to live with

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indonesia-related_topics
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_basic_Indonesia_topics

anybody looking at all this must think we are suckers - or something :( SatuSuro 12:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Gmail

You have one SatuSuro 00:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

"Kota or Kotamadya (Cities) of Jakarta: this section is about "Administration" - why is there mention of the Zoo?" Perhaps someone has a rather negative view of city officials? :D Orderinchaos 23:09, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

U2 360 revert

Completely and totally puzzled as to why you reverted my removal of the box office section of U2 360 tour. Had you read the discussion page, you might have noted that I am an employee of a stadium listed as 'sold out.' I can say with absolute certainty that percentage is inaccurate. User MelicansMatkin agreed with the idea of removing the questionable information, and I did just that. For some reason you reverted it, and I'm curious as to why. I am a fan myself, and believe that specific encylopedic content should always be verifiable by a second source. In this case, I would hope that U2 releases official statistics at the conclusion of the tour.

CSD tagging

Hi Merbabu. Just came across TVN Indonesia, which you tried to tag for speedy deletion on Dec 12th. The page didn't attract admin attention because you actually placed a user notification template on the article, instead of one of the valid csd templates. I've replaced it with a {{db-corp}} tag. All the best, Gonzonoir (talk) 08:56, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Removal of Religions Table from Australia article

I can't argue with your point that the information is already there in text form. It is. But, as a teacher (yes, on holidays), I'd just been reading up on how important it is to present material to learners in a variety of ways so as to appeal to the inevitable range of learning styles out there. I thought the table, in it's final form, gave a neat visual representation of what could be to some people some fairly messy text. Some people are good at words. Others are good at visuals.

I'm not making a super strong point here. I was just surprised by your certainty that deleting the table was the best course of action. I liked the table.

HiLo48 (talk) 11:27, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Perfecto

Hey, thanks for the vid link! I'll try and get into the sandbox at some point soon, but I'm having a lot of computer problems at the moment which is why I haven't been doing much editing as of late. Somehow I got the Vundo trojan, and it's playing havoc with my system. Happy holidays! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 14:21, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay; I've finally gotten my laptop back. I'll be back from Christmas come Tuesday, so I should be able to finally take a look over your sandbox article and do a copyedit then. Cheers and happy New Years! MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 02:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_Indonesia - they smell a rat so what they do? lots of ticks and links - the old look pretty trick - who would want to revert all that hard work? - unalphabetical - probably more disambig issues than would fit a sunday .. but who cares ?? SatuSuro 23:43, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I started ripping out the table, and then i realised the extent of it. A different approach to the Indonesia project might be for me to focus on those really important articles (most of which are also crap) - at least for me, my time might be better spent getting, say, Suharto and Bali and History of Indonesia to FA standard. maybe we should do a check of the "big" articles and see which ones are the most viewed. An, let the ratty but unimportant stuff sit for now. --Merbabu (talk) 23:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Notability of Indonesian military units

Hi Merbabu, there's currently a discussion about the feasibility of translating articles on the Indonesian military from the Indonesian Wikipedia at: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Catalan militia articles (translatable with Google and a little puzzling?) which you may wish to comment on. Nick-D (talk) 07:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Cityscape - Why is this here anyway

Dear Merbabu,

The cityscape picture is there because most global city's article has a cityscape picture in it, which is important to give a short insight about the look of the city; AND because I was thinking of expanding the article for Jakarta's architecture.

I have a plan to expand articles about the various architecture in Jakarta, from the Dutch colonial building, the Art Deco, the modernism during the Sukarno's governmency (e.g. Hotel Indonesia / Kempinski), and the postmodernism (CBD areas). I'm hoping by contributing this 'introduction' article about Jakarta architecture, some experts will create a new article about Jakarta's architecture linked to this. I have the references (I myself studying history of architecture) but I have no time to include this to Wiki. Ive read your profile and saw that some of your interest is Indonesian architecture, maybe you can contribute some of your insight about Jakarta's architecture. --Rochelimit (talk) 12:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Wahid

Hey, I put that on there and followed up with some notes on the page. I'm only vaguely familiar with him, but I skimmed over parts of the article which indicate in no uncertain terms that he was unfairly ousted from his leadership position, which isn't entirely true. It was an illegal removal, but the reasons for his removal are kind of washed over as an insurrection without purpose except to benefit his usurper. Again, it's subject to speculation, but I was of the understanding he was usurped from power due to controversy from his own hand. Again, I can't write the part of the article directly, because I only know what I know from my memory of the news articles i read and saw on telly 6-7 years ago. I'm putting it there so that someone more familiar with the events can copyedit the text to be a bit more neutrally written and fact-based, rather than reading like a novel. --rm 'w avu 00:58, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy new year

List_of_banks_in_Indonesia - what more do we needs? informations like this :) SatuSuro 02:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

australasia tag

Hi - to be honest I wasn't targetting Indonesia in any specific way, and I'm certainly mot making any kind of political point, which I'm guessing is your objection to the categorisation. I'm just adding information about flora and fauna to a number of articles about places in the WWF Australasia ecozone [[3]]. Many of these are in Indonesia, but I'll use the Australasia (ecozone) category to group them. Hope you are OK with this Istanbuljohnm (talk) 04:28, 4 January 2010 (UTC) I am not and dont agree with it at all - the australasia term is a disaster waiting to happen - which is why I put it to the CFD - not to actually encourage usage of either categories at all SatuSuro 04:32, 4 January 2010 (UTC) Agree that Australasia is not useful as a geopolitical term but it is helpful for describing flora and fauna in and around Australia. The Wallacea transition zone could be put in both Asia and Australasia categories as it describes a mixture of plant and animal life from both continents. Would that be OK? Istanbuljohnm (talk) 12:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Hahahahah...

You should have heard the shout when I realised I had fallen into the ashbed - hehehe bet i scared a few roos up the valley :) SatuSuro 12:11, 4 January 2010 (UTC) Big problem with larger indonesian arts - like bandung regularly repeated info, ce issues - one could spend a night just on the one art doing the tweaks - the bad english stinks too SatuSuro 12:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

To prod or not to prod

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMA_Negeri_1_Malang This mob clearly know how to blind with facebook and links :0 but hey notability zilch - whatya reckon? 00:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erupting_volcanos_in_Indonesia has a sense of WP NOT smiling out at us as well (like when? huh?)SatuSuro 00:17, 6 January 2010 (UTC) aarrgghhh I cannot possibly say here what I think of that SatuSuro 02:35, 6 January 2010 (UTC) OMG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molucca_Sea_Collision_Zone - classic case of WP:OVERCAT and a few other items SatuSuro 09:21, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I fail to see why the ips need to come into WP en and put Indonesian terms in the main Administrative names in the Indonesia article - it is en for heavens sake - what is it about Indonesian eds - are they worried that we dont actually have the Indonesian names in the versions of the articles they refer to? It seems really a big waste of time and space - what do you think? SatuSuro 09:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Good work!

On List of museums and cultural institutions in Indonesia - but hey the delete - you wanna try reducing mother/chilod cat confusions in the Indonesian project too? SatuSuro 09:16, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

good evening

i dont understand, i am not Sock puppetry, --Sweetmistery (talk) 06:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Only too well SatuSuro 23:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

i ....

i am sweetmistery as you can see, i have been here since January, 2010, actually four days ago, but i have been reading wikipedia for three years, i am neither a duplicate person nor a sock puppet of one member, please dont judge like that--Sweetmistery (talk) 06:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC) And not a native speaker of english either - and a little too easily wandering around the place with so few edits SatuSuro 07:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Benny Wenda article

Please kindly refrain from continually changing West Papua to Western New Guinea in Benny Wenda's biography.

I have provided a link to a Jakarta Post article (and will provide numerous others if needed), that makes it clear the region is referred to as West Papua, not Western New Guinea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zevion (talk • contribs) 23:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

In Use template

Hello Merbabu - I only just noticed, but could I please ask you to respect the "In Use" template? You recently changed an article Ady Gil while I was editing it. Such cross-editing makes it very hard to keep things straight at times, and also, your edit literally slipped under the radar for me - whether I agreed with it or not. I only noticed it just now, when checking the past history for something else. So please do not edit an article that someone has tagged with the template until, say there hasn't been an edit for AT LEAST half an hour or more (template say longer, actually). Cheers, Ingolfson (talk) 05:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I did not see the in-use tag. But, it is a request - and it is not a demand. Looking at the information I removed, it shoudl have been removed irrespective of your in-use tag. Further, the edit history is there and easy to use so it's not really that I didn't "respect" your in use tag - you didn't check the edit history. And it seems like you had no problem with my edit (one would hope so!) anyway. --Merbabu (talk) 08:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year

...to you and the family. I've just noticed while archiving my talkpage that you suggested some months ago that I "get my teeth into" People's Democratic Party (Indonesia). Well I have. There's a test for NPOV if I ever saw one - not my political cup of tea, but hopefully an improvement. Davidelit (Talk) 16:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Indonesian killings

Some interesting uses of the letter z in spelling have crept in :( SatuSuro 14:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

MA

That's cool - I really wasn't reading much of the article, just wanted to add the WWIA stuff I got. The gaming stuff seems OTT to me - I certainly wouldn't object to massive changes/cuts to it. Orderinchaos 10:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Mammals Notice Board

Question?

Just out of curiosity, why is it that you no longer wish to be in WikiProject Mammals? Is there something you would like us to change? The Arbiter^★_★^★ 19:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Deletion

Why did you delete the word νῆσος on the Indonesia article? It should have been kept there. --User:Brianhardy44 January 24, 2010. 13:47 (PST)

Timor-Leste

Was this nation ruled by Portuguese from 1515-1975 or 1702 till 1975? A bit confusing some datas. -- Adherent of the Enlightenment 10.0 (talk) 12:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

User:Me Again :D

I've just indef blocked this clown. Do you know who they are - it would be nice to be able to tag them as a sockpuppet as well. Nick-D (talk) 11:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

PopMart Sarajevo

Hi Merbabu, I know that you were concerned over the notability of an article on the PopMart concert in Sarajevo. Would you mind taking a look at the draft that Crazyjoker and I have come up with so far? There's still a lot of work to be done, particlarly in Reception/Reaction, but I'm wondering if you think Notability has been established? Cheers, MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 06:32, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Achtung Baby

There's a few things I was hoping you could help me with on the Achtung Baby article. There's a footnote "Light (1993)", but the references section doesn't have anything on this publication, so I don't know what this footnote is referencing. Would you know? Also, in the "Writing, recording, and production" section, there's a section that reads, "The Edge wanted to go towards a more personal style of writing, and the band were interested in the works of Roy Orbison, Scott Walker, and Jacques Brel." It kinda sticks out as not relevant to the previous sentence (the part about the band's interest in others' work, at least). You originally added this information so I was hoping you could tweak it to be more seamless - I don't want to edit it and risk changing the original meaning. Thanks. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 21:43, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

"I don't mean to bug ya", but do you think you can help me out with these items when you get the chance? Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 17:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

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ARGGHHH

That damned template and article should not be allowed to exist - I withdrew the delete with WP:AGF on the promise that the milhist people might find their way out of their mess - Asia templates should never have been allowed to exist - only breakdowns into sub regions that are smaller. The damned idiots who play with them should be sent to antartica with summer clothing, or forced to stare at recent changes updates for 5 hours non stop - or something similar... to assume any continuity, physically, culturally or anything else in such an entity as asia deserves scorn and chastisement of extreme kinds - it is not something that wikipedia needs - it makes us look like idiots SatuSuro 09:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I share your frustration at that template, although your post suggests you know more about the history than I do. However, I am particularly keen to approach it in a rational and civil manner. I suggest it's just a simple mistake with the three I've mentioned and won't be a major drama to have them corrected (although, if they won't be corrected, then I'm not looking forward to the discussion to have the other 30 Indonesian provinces added for balance!). The Papua ones might be a little bit more tricky, that's why I haven't mentioned them yet. Do the easy 3 first. --Merbabu (talk) 09:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Indonesia article

Hi, Merbabu. I noted that you just reverted my reversion of vandalism, so that the article now contains nonsense. May I ask why you did this? Thanks. Regards, • CinchBug • 14:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Dear Merbabu: I am somewhat ignorant of the protocols of wikipedia. Thus I do not know how to block and copy within the word processor that is provided. Perhaps you could help me in this regard. Sincerely yours, Brian Wayne Wells WellsSouth (talk) 23:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Indonesian National Revolution

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Indonesian National Revolution/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

"City of Blinding Lights"

Hi Merbabu, as you know "City of Blinding Lights" is currently up for FAC. At the moment it looks as if the article will not pass unless the prose receives a copyedit from somebody with fresh eyes; could I ask you to take some time in the immediate future to give the article a look-over and tighten up the prose? Cheers, MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 04:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Acehnese people

The population is significant for Acehnese people. That shows main countries where Acehnese exist and that is valuable information. -- Seulimeung (talk) 06:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Bah

You direct me to a vandalised page without reverting it yourself? some clever head had removed the refs and cats 10 days ago or so - we have some very clever people editing here :) SatuSuro 08:35, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

The article smells of copyvio - but I have not the time to cross-check refs and obvious sources SatuSuro 08:54, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I never

Support non process actions - specially reverting talk page items or suggesting that reverts are a way to solve problems - the whole argument should be at RFC and only there - coming to article talk pages smacks of childish behaviour - arguing to revert until consensus is outright dumb - I do not support any of his comments or actions - some sign of a learning process has not happened - It is he as much as trans who needs checking SatuSuro 09:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Borobudur...

hi there,

well thank you for improving on the article. I would say that a UNESCO source can be considered the most reliable in this case. Sincerely Gryffindor (talk) 15:24, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Asia templates I love to hate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Sport_deaths_in_Asia_%28category%29 SatuSuro 00:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

February 2010

Hello. It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on others' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence editors of U2-related articles. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. ArticlesForRedemption 02:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Gawd that policy is absurd - the Indonesian project would not exist if that was taken to its logical absurdity SatuSuro 02:16, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Go ahead and "complain" please. I'd like to see which rules I've violated. ArticlesForRedemption 02:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Please dont misinterpret - I am saying basically it would take some of the majority of the less intelligent editors that inhabit this circus to misuse such a finely tuned policy - some eds simply go off wiki now less they get nabbed by the canvass police - it is really a fundamental misunderstanding of the word consensus.

Also an edit history that short and getting involved in such a process suggests quack quack quack as in WP:DUCK SatuSuro 02:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

There's no way this is a new editor. And, it's unlikely they have a legit reason to run an alternative account. --Merbabu (talk) 02:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Which is even funnier the more I think about it - how is that socks have such infallible reasoning - David Yorke where are you after all this time? SatuSuro 02:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

THey are convinced they are right, and learn all the policy and flimsy essays they can to justify themselves and their actions. Anything on wikipedia is justifiable with a link to something - but justification is not the same as reasonable. --Merbabu (talk) 02:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Achtung Baby - end of year Rolling Stone readers polls

I've found the awards they won online and added them to the Achtung Baby article, but the website reference is hardly reliable, especially considering we are preparing to get the article nominated for WP:FA. I instead referenced a Rolling Stone article that mentions 2-3 of the awards. I could have sworn I just read these in "U2 at the End of the World", but I can't for the life of me find where it is. Would to know if this info is in that book? Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 05:44, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Just check Flanagan's index - it's a fantastic resource. One of the best indexed books I've come across. I have a few more articles I'd like to comb. Actually, I've got heaps, but most seem to say what's already in the article. However, there are stacks of reviews and people's opinions some of which are very interesting, but where does one stop. anyway, i trawl these and see if there's anything more factual. I wouldn't get too concerned about rushing back to FAC (in fact, I didn't know til last week that it had been closed!). --Merbabu (talk) 06:19, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

PS - I am, of course, joking about Flanagan's index - there is none. It's so frustrating - such a long book with great info but no way to locate it quickly. By the way, have u got to the part where the crew imitates the flight crew's safety briefing? --Merbabu (talk) 06:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I've gotten to that part - I'm at the "Numb" music video filming. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 06:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh yes - that's hilarious too. Larry gangs up on Edge, right? Anyway, as for your intial questions, there is some stuff from memory in McGee's book. I will check it tonight. Remind me if I don't. Or, in the meantime I might have put it into the Timeline article(??). --Merbabu (talk) 06:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Is it the rolling stone awards you want?:

• 4 March: In Rolling Stone magazine's readers' poll U2 win Best Band, Artist of the Year, Comeback of the Year, Best Tour, Best Album, and Best Album Cover, and Best Single (for "One"). Bono is voted Best Male Singer, Best Songwriter and Sexiest Male Artist. Mullen is voted Best Drummer and Edge and Clayton are runners up in their respective categories. Critics are slightly less enthusiastic.

Got to go now. --Merbabu (talk) 06:30, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Ha! You got that pretty damn quickly. Thanks. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 06:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

You said I probably shouldn't be in any hurry to get this back to FAC. I think it's actually ready to be renominated, though, as all the issues brought up in the first nomination have been addressed, and I've spent weeks simply re-reading the article and copyediting. I just wanted to see if you would object to me re-nominating it before I went ahead and did so. Let me know. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 05:26, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I would like to copyedit myself. There's also a lot of stuff that probably doesn't need to be there. It's very long. But, that doesn't get around the previous FAC problem with this article (and most other FACs), which is the lack of fresh eyes on prose. --Merbabu (talk) 05:42, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

It's right around 10 printable pages, which is probably about the longest we should let it get. I wouldn't say that it needs to be trimmed down that much, though. I think a lot of other album articles are shorter just because there isn't as much information available about the album's creation/gestation, or there isn't much of a "story" to tell. Achtung Baby is different on both accounts. I think if there's anything that might need trimming, it might be some of the details about the individual songs in the "Composition" section. But even so, I trimmed them down already from what they were. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 07:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Taronga Zoo

I am very capable of reading sources and your removal of the information regarding where the baby elephant is being held is rather amusing. I am a Zoo Director and I am well aware of where the baby is being held it is in the Veterinary and Quarantine centre, were ALL sick and injured animals held at taronga go. Maybe you should be more carefull before removing information. ZooPro 12:15, 10 March 2010 (UTC)