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George Zimmerman call transcript

Not sure why you removed it. Maybe to cut the length? The other cleanup was very good. I noticed you said "primary source" in the edit summary, but there's no prohibition on using a primary source in this way, and actually having the entire transcript might be good in this particular situation since news media mangled and summarized it many times. -- Avanu (talk) 08:49, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding discussion on my Talk page in which you say that I edit warred

From my Talk page:

This is what occurred, and my latest edit:

You made major changes to a section, including removing a phone call transcript and revising text. The section had been the way it was with only minor changes for months. I reverted and said it should be discussed first on the talk page.

Another editor partially reverted my edit, leaving the text changes but restoring the call transcript. You had started the talk discussion, and you reverted that editor, saying it should be discussed first. Your original edit is what should have been discussed first, however. The other editor removed what might be questionable, the text (even though it's been there months), and Talk discussion showed that the transcript was acceptable and another source, Mother Jones, could be given. Since the transcript wasn't objectionable I reverted to the version of the other editor. The consensus on the page seemed to be that the transcript should stay. One editor mentioned that some text added to the transcript, such as noting when sounds of a car door opening are heard, could be removed, but that is the only mention of it. And those things could just be removed, if you object to them. Psalm84 (talk) 02:49, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to post this also to your Talk page. Psalm84 (talk) 02:53, 26 June 2012 (UTC) Psalm84 (talk) 03:17, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've addressed it on the talk page. You reverted the same info back in twice. The fact that there was an intervening edit does not matter. If 1RR is no longer the rule, so be it, but you made these reverts when other editors were right in the middle of discussing it, and you did not even bother commenting on the talk page. You should anticipate that such editing behavior is going to escalate the dispute. Take the time to actually consider my points about the transcript, rather than quickly reverting to your preferred version. Minor4th 03:03, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

No, I did not revert the same info twice. I reverted to Avanu's version which is only the transcript and which left your edits. And all the other editors have been for keeping the transcript, saying it's helpful and it isn't OR but WP:TRANSCRIPTION. One said that some added text could come out, but that isn't the same as removing the whole transcript. Psalm84 (talk) 03:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC) Psalm84 (talk) 03:23, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You have an interesting personal definition of what constitutes a revert and what doesn't. You reversed all or a part of the same edit 3 times now, and I note that you continue to edit war. Have at it, the article means a whole lot more to you than it does to me. I was trying to improve it, but the rules and guidelines are suspended on this article, and it's fallen to POV editors.Minor 4th 07:06, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please see WP:RSN#Use of a lawyer blog in Bowman v. Monsanto Co. for a discussion in which you have been involved at Talk:Bowman v. Monsanto Co.. Thanks, GregJackP Boomer! 18:17, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request for editorial review

M4th: would you do me the favor of reviewing the top article in my Sandbox for NPOV and other WP requisites, before I put it up. Our pal is bound to take exception (if not hysteria) to it as a matter of principle. I would like it to be as sound as possible beforehand. Feel free to tear it up (constructively). Thx. PraeceptorIP (talk) 03:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Will do as time allows.Minor 4th 15:26, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)See User:PraeceptorIP/JEM Case. I've worked on it some for him. GregJackP Boomer! 15:31, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Greg.Minor 4th 15:32, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

recent edit on mattress performance talk page

Hi Minor4th, I recently moved a comment Mattnad made, which he placed in the middle of one of my previous comments[2] because it removed my signature from the comment. I see you reverted. [3]. Was this a mistake? It's a relatively minor thing, but I think it's clearer if that comment that I made in one edit, remains in one piece (it was a two part edit, directed at two different editors, but breaking it up removes my signature from part of it). Do you mind if this is changed back?--BoboMeowCat (talk) 18:18, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That was a total mistake. Had no idea I did that.Minor 4th 18:40, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks, -Tryptofish (talk) 15:13, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

admin vs. content

I understand what you're saying, and can even agree in a very small way - but since you mentioned it, I will say that Wehwalt is an excellent example of an admin who does great content work. — Ched : ? 03:34, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, Wehwalt would be a glaring exception, if he's an admin. I don't know that I've ever seen him doing admin work. Minor4th 03:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He usually acts if he's asked directly, I think. He was one of my inspirations, actually. ;-) Montanabw^(talk) 03:52, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bravo for this. Of course, you do realise that speaking out in such a fashion will expel you from any future RfA you may wish to undertake. Good on you! Cassianto^Talk 12:24, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and yeah, there will be no RfA's for me ;) Minor4th 13:52, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Minor4th, I don't think we've ever "met" before, but I found your insights to the overall atmosphere of content editing to be insightful and thought-provoking. Thank you. Montanabw^(talk) 02:59, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Montanabw. We haven't "met" but other editors have mentioned to me that you're one of the best content creators; so I've followed some of your content and discussions. I don't edit very much - mostly because the atmosphere can be so toxic when one is actually trying to accomplish something here. I get too frustrated and discouraged and find other things to do that don't leave me feeling slimy. :D Best -- Minor4th 03:05, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Montanabw RfA

The nomination has a snowball's chance of success, so maybe it's high time to stop badgering the opposes: ([4]). This process has been stressful for all involved, and the continuing confrontations there are so unlikely to impact the outcome that they appear egregious at this point. RO^(talk) 16:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Minor4th 16:10, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If the nom got no more opposes and seven supports per hour, it would still fail. So it seems really unnecessary to continue to badger opposes this late in the process, as the outcome will not change. But I'll leave it at that, since you either get my point now or won't get it no matter what I say. RO^(talk) 16:18, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I made exactly one reply to exactly one oppose; it was substantive and civil. I have not "badgered" anyone. But if there's no reason to comment on the RfA, why do you continue to "badger" the candidate? It's a rhetorical question - no need to answer ;) Minor4th 16:28, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't commented there in three days. RO^(talk) 16:39, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

liar. Cassianto^Talk 17:37, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't counting copyedits to my oppose rationale as independent comments. BTW, you're really popular over at Wikipediocracy: ([5])RO^(talk) 17:50, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to break it to you, but I knew about it on the 17 September, so sorry to piss on your parade RO. IT's nice to know that while the trolling fuckwits are talking about me they're leaving someone else alone. Cassianto^Talk 18:19, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"the trolling fuckwits" Such language for an educated adult. I am deeply saddened that you've recently adopted this persona, because I remember seeing you around last fall, but I don't remember you acting so aggressively. Maybe you take this place a little too seriously, but I'm glad you realize that most of us are having a good laugh about it. RO^(talk) 18:23, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why you think it's "recent". I don't forget RO; supporting someone who likened me to a person who mocks rape victims is about as low as you can go. It's behaviour like that which causes me to act "aggressively". Cassianto^Talk 18:38, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You totally misunderstood me then, and you're still carrying that misunderstanding with you today. I never said that, Cassianto, nor did I think it at the time or now. It's ridiculous. I never supported that accusation; I tried to help you two see that you were talking past each other and not seeing the other person's point, just like you're doing right now. RO^(talk) 18:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to make anymore comments about this here, but if you want to discuss this please feel free to come to my talk page. If you bring some diffs, I'll be able to show you I did not take the position that you think I did. There's too much long-term grudge holding around here, and if you want to make an effort to end ours I'll be very happy to discuss it with you. RO^(talk) 18:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Mighty Morphin Army Ranger, just to let you know, we're moving pages now. Tell the others, won't you? ;) Cassianto^Talk 19:19, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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FAC of Schmerber v. California

Hi Minor4th, I hope all is well these days! I have nominated an article I wrote, Schmerber v. California, for FA status. I know that you are a subject matter expert and you are generally an awesome Wikipedian when it comes to legal articles (and all other articles), so I was hoping you would be willing to take a look at the nomination for Schmerber. Here is a link to the nomination. Thanks in advance for your help! Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 17:28, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Notecardforfree - I will take a look and give input if I have some. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/United States v. Washington since you participated in the FAN discussion. Minor4th 17:33, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Minor4th! I just went to the TFA nomination page for U.S. v. Washington to express my support. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 17:54, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FYI - Tryptofish

Tryptofish - FYI, I did not request that you be blocked. I don't know if you ever saw my comment responding to you, but I asked for a warning. I never thought that you meant anything malicious - my concern was that your comment would lead others to further outing and harassment. Minor4th 21:20, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You have asked me not to post on your talk page, so out of respect, I am leaving you a message here and you are welcome to respond if you care to.

Regarding this comment [6], I think Roger Davies was referring to the other editor you mentioned in the oversighted diff -- you had proposed a site ban for him, not me.

About the edit itself, I don't think anyone believes or has accused you of any kind of malicious outing (and that's why the block was very short); I would characterize your comment as more careless than malicious. I reported the diff because I wanted it oversighted to prevent any "opposition research" based on the real-life connections you were trying to make. I did not request a block or any other sanction other than a warning, but a short block was appropriate while Arb contacted you and sorted it out. As one who values privacy, you should understand that completely.

While your feelings were hurt by the block, I assure you it feels worse to have one's anonymity/privacy compromised. You are a long-term, experienced editor and you should have known better than to have made that post, as you have acknowledged. So, I am asking you please to give the Arbs a break and stop insisting that they apologize to you or admit to some kind of wrongdoing in the wake of all this because it gives the impression that you do not actually regret the post and that you do not think there was anything wrong with your behavior, and that is pretty hurtful to the targets of your post. Minor4th 21:11, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll note also that Tryptofish is the one who added me as a party to the case even though I had never edited in the GMO topic area - he added me unilaterally without even stating why I should be included. He subsequently proposed that I be sanctioned with an interaction ban and proposed that the other editor he mentioned in the diff be indefinitely site banned. With that context in mind, Tryptofish's oversighted diff that led to his short block looks like an invitation to conduct opposition research as was alluded to by one of the Arbs.

I could have proposed a FoF and remedy regarding Tryptofish in the Arb case, based on his conduct on the Arb pages during the case. I believe that it would have been warranted; I was content to let it go and move on, but he has recently "re-started the discussion" and I find it very offensive that he is now portraying himself as the victim, wronged by ArbCom and by me implicitly. Minor4th 19:43, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Patent litigation

You said better material was needed for the patent litigation of Monsanto. I notice the arfticle starts at a late date. If you want to go back to when M was selling herbicide but not seeds, you could summarize the CA3 case of Monsanto v. Rohm & Haas on propanil. Just excertpt what you consider worthwhile. PraeceptorIP (talk) 00:20, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I'll take a look. Please feel free to jump in yourself. Minor4th 00:35, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for your diligent contributions on all 3 pages of Arbcom re GMO. I very much appreciate your hard work ! Wuerzele (talk) 17:36, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Wuerzele! Minor4th 18:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ariel Fernandez

Dear Editor, In compliance with Wikipedia regulations, we would like to inform you that we have filed a discussion in the NPOV board that mentions your name. Thanks much for your attention. 181.228.138.187 (talk) 20:59, 20 October 2015 (UTC)Argentine Natl. Research Council[reply]

Proposed revision to Career Section in BLP Ariel Fernandez

Dear Editor Minor4th, Following your valuable suggestions on the NPOV board for improving the BLP for Ariel Fernandez, we have now included in the Talk page of the article a proposed revision of the Career section. We have quoted reputable secondary sources to back up the assertions. Hopefully the tone is now more neutral and balanced. We would much appreciate your help with this revision of the career section. 181.228.138.187 (talk) 12:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)Argentine Natl. Research Council[reply]

Dear Minor4th, Thanks much in advance for your help improving the BLP for Ariel Fernandez regarding NPOV. We are ready to work with you at your convenience on the proposed edits to the career section. We placed the edited version in the Talk page quoting the appropriate primary and secondary sources. Thanks much for your help with this.181.228.138.187 (talk) 12:46, 27 October 2015 (UTC)Argentine Natl. Research Council[reply]