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:Thanks Gerda! [[User:Peacemaker67|Peacemaker67]] ([[User_talk:Peacemaker67|click to talk to me]]) 07:52, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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Question

Since you are a coordinator of the WikiProject Military history I though I would ask you this question.

In the case of the Afghan-Sikh Wars, is a source needed for the result to display either Afghan or Sikh victory? Or can the result be taken from the fact that one side won all the battles in the war?

If you are interested, this is the discussion, under the section Source misrepresentation. In all honesty, I could care less who won this war, I am only concerned with Wikipedia:Verifiability and avoiding personal interpretations. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Kansas Bear. We only use a result for the whole war that is in the reliable sources. It is OR to analyse the results of individual battles and decide on an overall result. Sometimes a good approach where there is legitimate disputation over a result can be to put "See Aftermath section" in the result field of the infobox and explore what the sources say in that section. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:59, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXV, January 2020

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Ustase

Sorry for asking this, but could you please change Category:Fascist organizations in the Ustase article to Category:Fascist parties, which was the original one? -- 191.33.124.106 (talk) 23:34, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't about what the original one was, it is about the most appropriate category. The Ustashas were an emigre movement, terrorist organisation and political party, and I think the overarching Fascist organizations category is more appropriate. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Hi I'm very impressed by your knowledge of facts regarding former Yugoslavia. Thank you for being objective and honest. Facts are facts and you are the only author I've come across who actually knows what hes talking about. I thank you for all that you do and would love to have an opportunity to meet you one day. Borislav Vucinovic

Borisdalj@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.181.69.251 (talk) 19:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Borislav. I do my best. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:15, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good evening

I'm not very familiar with navigating through the wiki page but I do have plenty of knowledge to add. Can we communicate via email instead? I would also like to stay anonymous but will provide you all the necessary documents to verify facts. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.181.69.251 (talk) 03:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sent you an email. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Joint FAC?

Hey Peacemaker, once the Template:Sclass- FAC is done, Sturm and I will have a gap in our joint FAC schedule (mostly because neither of us was paying attention that we were out of joint projects) and I was thinking this would be a good time for you and I to run SMS Niobe - how does that sound to you? Parsecboy (talk) 19:08, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:12, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great, I can put it up as soon as the Francesco Caracciolo FAC is finished. Parsecboy (talk) 13:59, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Francesco Caracciolo FAC took a bit longer than I expected, but I just put Niobe up - don't know if you got the ping when I added your name to it, but if not, it's here. Parsecboy (talk) 13:24, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – February 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2020).

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  • Following a request for comment, partial blocks are now enabled on the English Wikipedia. This functionality allows administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces rather than the entire site. A draft policy is being workshopped at Wikipedia:Partial blocks.
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:06, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weigh in

Hi PeaceMaker, I am still working on sources as we discussed before. But could you weigh in on editing disagreement on Genocide of Serbs page which I thought we all agreed in few weeks ago? Als on the Chetnik page where I am being reverted with no explanation? An IP made unexplained edits removing mention of “reprisals”. Thank you. 74.101.190.2 (talk) 03:56, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I had a look and couldn't see anything egregious. I strongly suggest you register, as remembering any IP address (assuming it is static) is difficult, other editors are more able to recognise a username. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It was a case of a rouge IP removing sourced material and when I reverted it, another editor kept undoing my revert even intentionally deleting “anti-Croat policies” despite the source backing up the term. They seemed to have stopped... for now. And yes I should make an account. The whole anxiety of articles inevitably being inappropriately edited or changed is ridiculous. Having to check back to see if it was done again. Not sure how you keep level headed. It’s great that the public can engage on here but also problematic. Especially in Balkan articles. So much bitter motives on here. POV pushing and trying to sway the public. I can see why me being an IP can leave bad first impressions.74.101.190.2 (talk) 21:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
IP vandalism and POV pushing are very common on Balkans articles. I only watchlist WWII Yugoslav ones and I usually have to revert one or more edits everyday on several articles. Generally IPs in the area are treated with suspicion for that reason. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:15, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Idea for new community workspace

Hi. I would like to create some kind of collaborative workspace where coordinators or members of various WikiProjects would gather and provide updates and information on what is going on at each wikiproject, i.e. regarding their latest efforts, projects, and where interested editors can get involved.

You are a coordinator at one of the most active WikiProkjects, so I wanted to get your brief input on whether you'd be interested in helping me to make this happen. I see a few possible options for making this happen, so I would like to get your input and feedback on this. which of the options below would you prefer? also, please reply to the brief questions below.

Please feel free to let me know what you think of this idea, and please let me know your preference, regarding the options above. if you do not see any need for this idea, that is totally fine. However, I think that the majority of editors lack awareness of where the truly active editing is taking place and at which WikiProjects, and I would like to do whatever I can to help make people more aware of where the activity is, what they can do to help, and also which areas of Wikipedia offer ideas and efforts that might help them in their own editing activities. Please feel free to let me know.--Sm8900 (talk) 05:09, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Peacemaker,

Thanks for the welcome because I joined the Military His. Wikiproject. I'm excited to be a part of it.

Thank you,

--Mikeduke324 (talk) 15:04, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Enjoy your editing, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:25, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cite format

I knew that you'd notice this; thanks for fixing it, although I can't see any difference between how I tried it and how you've got it now for the life of me.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:06, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Believe it or not, I find sfn easier. I suppose it is what you are used to. I started off using ref tags and changed to sfn after a bit. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: IssueICLXVI, February 2020

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Battle of Greece

G'day, PM, I hope you are well and having a good weekend. Per the current conversation on the MILHIST co-ord talk page, the Battle of Greece article (currently a featured article) needs a couple of citations. I've marked these with citation needed tags in the hope that someone will be able to supply the required references. Unfortunately, this isn't really a battle I know much about, so I haven't been able to find any suitable refs; I wonder if you or @Hawkeye7: might have better luck? Thanks for your time. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 05:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

G'day AR, my only area of knowledge (with access to related sources) regarding the invasion of Greece is with respect to the German ORBAT. I will take a look and see what I can find though. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 08:39, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think I can reference them from Germany and the Second World War. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:44, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Hawkeye! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:18, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 07:40, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greater Serbia

Hello PM. A few IPs have recently made changes to the article's lead. Do you think that the lead should be changed or do you think that the IPs should be reverted and, if they persist, a semi protection needs to be requested? Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:14, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Good. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted, but if they persist with the edit warring over the wording and refuse to discuss on the talk page, semi protection may be needed. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NDH Zones Map

G'Day Peacemaker, I had another dig for material on the different occupation zones in NDH prior to 1943. I found a few more maps that look more accurate (all secondary sources though) and I also found this document. It is a translation into Croat of orders issued by the occupying Italian forces. It includes textual descriptions of the German-Italian demarcation line and the boundary of the Croat demilitarised zone (Zone II/III boundary). The descriptions are lists of towns/features. For the German-Italian one the listed points seem to be the ones on the German side (so Banja Luka, Jajce, Sarajevo). For the de-militarised zone they seem to lie on the line. Anyway I think I can now make a stab at something based on them and the various maps. Will keep you posted. XrysD TALK 23:03, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds great, XrysD. I'm looking forward to seeing it, I know it will get good use across a number of articles. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just checking - is it this style of map that you want? XrysD TALK 13:15, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly what I am after. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:36, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK the Map is done. It's bigger than usual (8,752 × 6,890) and not anti-aliased to allow you to edit it without loss of quality - obviously any derived maps can be smaller! I actually found a copy of the original Italian map that defined the boundary of the Croatian demilitarised zone embedded in the PDF I linked to above, so the wavy nature is how it was. The German-Italian boundary was defined in a different way - just stating what towns and features (railheads etc) lay on the German side. So in that case I think that the edge is defined mostly by the boundaries of the districts those towns lay in (unless very large). This certainly reflects what you see in the more accurate secondary source maps and accords with the German practice in Serbia. Anyway, hope you can make good use of it :-) XrysD TALK 17:37, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You are a dead-set legend, XrysD! Thanks so very much for your research and work on putting this together. Greatly appreciated! Regards, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:21, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
G'day XrysD. I just used the map on Momčilo Đujić with a pog for Knin, expecting Knin to be in Zone II, and found that it is showing in Zone I. Yugoslav text sources indicate that Knin was in Zone II, and I'm just wondering if you could double-check the Zone I/II boundary (the border of the Governorate of Dalmatia) for me, particularly around which zone Knin is within on the source maps. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Peacemaker! I've checked in QGIS and Knin is outside zone 1 on my map - see this. I think the problem is with the NDH locator map template you are using. The new locator map has slightly different bounds to the map used with the template and this means that points plotted will also be shifted. The new bounds should be LatMin=42.38 LatMax=46.56 LonMin=13.40 LonMax=20.98. So I guess either change the NDH template to use the new coordinates and map or create a new NDH2 template. If that still doesn't work it means the map projection of the new map isn't rectilinear and I'll need to do a new one that is! XrysD TALK 10:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I can take a look at the template issue instead if you like? XrysD TALK 14:55, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Would you mind, XrysD? I'm a bit of a duffer with this stuff. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:24, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK it's done! In the end the original map projection was wrong so I had to re-render it. Rather than create a new template I have simply updated the NDH 41 and 43 locator maps. This means you don't use the new file I uploaded as an Alt now. I did a random check of some of the pages that use the NDH locator and all seem OK. And on your Momčilo Đujić article Knin is outside Zone 1 as it should be :) XrysD TALK 17:00, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant, you are a champion! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 21:01, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I've made one final tweak - I didn't think the default 1941 NDH locator map showed the zones very well. So I updated the first map I did to the same projection and shaded the zones as well as marking the sea boundaries. I've changed Momčilo Đujić article to use this updated map - if you prefer it too then cool, if not just revert my change and go back to the default NDH 1941 locator. XrysD TALK 12:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

March Madness 2020

G'day all, March Madness 2020 is about to get underway, and there is bling aplenty for those who want to get stuck into the backlog by way of tagging, assessing, updating, adding or improving resources and creating articles. If you haven't already signed up to participate, why not? The more the merrier! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC) for the coord team[reply]

Petar Bojović Field Marshal epaulettes

Good day! Why is a Field Marshal epaulettes Petar Bojović unneeded, but German, French, Polish and American Field Marshals have epaulettes/stars? August von Mackensen, Paul von Hindenburg, Fedor von Bock, Gerd von Rundstedt, Erwin Rommel, Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb, Ferdinand Foch, Hubert Lyautey, Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque, Marie-Pierre Kœnig, Józef Piłsudski, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur, Omar Bradley etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Андрејевић (talk • contribs) 10:52, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:ICONDECORATION, icons should not be merely decorative. Use of rank icons doesn't improve comprehension of the article. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:44, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then why do all these Field Marshals have icons?--Андрејевић (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No-one has bothered to remove them? How does their addition improve the reader's comprehension of the article? Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:50, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It enhances by allowing readers to see what the rank looks like, without placing the image in higher resolution somewhere further in the text. If already has the unwritten rule that everyone has an icon of their act, then let the unwritten rule apply to everyone. Recently the French generals received the icons of their general titles in addition to the icons of the Marshal's title - Franchet d'Esperey and Ferdinand Foch. --Андрејевић (talk) 06:54, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The reader wants to know about the man, and can click on the link if they want to know what his rank epaulettes for his final rank looked like. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 20:58, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – March 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2020).

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  • Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops must not undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather than should not.
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Operation Retribution (1941) scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the Operation Retribution (1941) article has been scheduled as today's featured article for April 6, 2020. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 6, 2020, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so.

For Featured Articles promoted in recent years, there will be an existing blurb linked from the FAC talk page, which is likely to be transferred to the TFA page by a coordinator at some point.

We suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:56, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Genocides template

Hi PM. It seems that there are disagreements between some editors on whether crimes committed by Chetniks should be included in the template or not [2]. Since you have relevant experience and knowledge, you might want to take a look. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Storax

Hi Peacemaker. I came across Operation Storax in Hawkeye's bot assessed sandbox. Would you say that it was a list or an article? Thanks.

PS. Things seem quiet on the coordination front. Is there anything I am missing which I could or should be doing? Gog the Mild (talk) 15:59, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

Precious
Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gerda! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:52, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations from the Military History Project

 The Military history A-Class medal with diamonds 
On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the A-Class medal with Diamonds for Arthur Sullivan (Australian soldier), Ba Congress, and Yugoslav destroyer Zagreb. CPA-5 (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 00:30, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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