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“ Have nunchucks. Will travel. - Antonio "Tony The Tiger" Vernon ”

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“ Life's most persistent and urgent question is, 'What are you doing for others?'—Martin Luther King Jr. ”

“ Have nunchucks. Will travel. - Antonio "Tony The Tiger" Vernon ”

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Michigan Wolverines Articles

Tony -- I see the Dick Rifenberg article got Good Article status. Nice work. I think we made a good team on that one! If you're interested, I've been working on several additional Michigan Wolverine articles in the past couple days, including Elmer Gedeon (3-sport star shot down over France in WWII), Don Dufek, Sr. (father of Don Dufek and MVP of the 1950 team and 1951 Rose Bowl), George Hoey (holds UM record for punt return yards in a game; later involved in eligibility scandal while working for U-Colo. athletic dept.), Ed Muransky (All American who holds the all time "Beef Bowl" record by eating 16 pounds of prime rib before the 1979 Rose Bowl), Jim Detwiler (Ohio H.S. star haranged by Woody Hayes on the phone for disloyalty tp State of Ohio in choosing U-M), Ralph Heikkinen (two-time U-M MVP from U.P. who went on to be #1 in his law school class and a law professor), Mark Donahue and Tom Dixon. I know you've got lots of projects going, but if any of these sound interesting, your help is always welcome and appreciated. Cbl62 07:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 1 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles Jarrett Irons, and George Lilja, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 11:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 1 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dean Dingman, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks .... a 1st? 100?

Thanks a lot Tony. One of the 100 involved a Mr Vernon who are local bigwigs ... and I think one had a strong Italian connection. Thanks very much. I think 100 is OK maybe I will put forward a few more of my own and equal your count on that score. Well done to you too. Victuallers 22:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:List requests

I will definitely get to the Chicago list soon, as it is needed for the Featured topic drive at WP:SKYSCRAPER/FTD. St. Louis isn't one of the top skylines in the country, and is thus not a part of the FTD, so it may take a while for me to get to it. But I definitely will eventually; I am working with another editor to get an English Wikipedia building list for every city which currently has one on the Polish Wiki, according to this template, plus a few more as well. Cheers, Rai-me 22:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Jim Mandich

I'll add Mandich to the cue. I added articles today on Calvin O'Neal and Tom Slade. Slade was not a great QB, but he nearly led the team to an undefeated season in 1971 and he's the one Bo spoke about to the team on the night before he died last year, telling the team they could aspire to be great Michigan men like Slade. Cbl62 22:51, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Red Links

I saw the message you left on Chrisjnelson's page and I might know a user that can help you make NFL players articles. Gypaetus maybe able to help, look at his edit history and youll see he makes a tons of NFL players pages, Go here to see his edit history:Gypaetus Edit History, and see if he can help you--Yankees10 00:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 2 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Julius Franks, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 02:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 2 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dick Rifenburg, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 13:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Gavin Donoghue

Hi, i would greatly appreciate it if you could try leaving some comments on Wikipedia:Peer review/Gavin Donoghue.Thanks.--Sunderland06 18:41, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Howard, Floyd, Muransky, etc.

I'll see what I can find on Howard and Floyd for your articles. I nominated my Elmer Gedeon article for DYK status, as I think it has an interesting hook. Take a look at the Ed Muransky article when you get a chance. I thought a DYK along these lines might work: "...that in 1979 University of Michigan takcle Ed Muransky set the all-time record at the traditional pre-Rose Bowl Lawry's "Beef Bowl" by eating eight slabs (16 pounds) of prime rib?" Cbl62 18:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

• Found a little bit on Howard. Hope that helps. Cbl62 19:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 2 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dan Dworsky, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 20:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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DYK hook added

I added your DYK to the next update. I modified it slightly because some non-Americans may not know what a running back is. They know what a football player is. Archtransit 19:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Jim Detwiler, was selected for DYK!

On December 3, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jim Detwiler, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 20:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Wistert & Skrepenak

I do have some stuff on the Wistert brothers that I will try to compile. Among other things, I have the 1934 Michiganensian which includes information about one of the Wistert's roles on the football and baseball teams. Also, I have a couple articles on the Wisterts. Nothing on Skrepenak. As for Muransky not appearing on the Raiders' post-season roster, not sure what to make of that. In interviews, Muransky talks about having been part of the post-season. Cbl62 00:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter for December 2007

The December 2007 issue of the WikiProject Good Articles newsletter has been published. Comments are welcome on this, as well as suggestions or offers of assistance for the January 2008 issue. Dr. Cash 01:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikitable formatting

You have posted the same question to the help desk 6 times [1] (4 of them have been removed). Please see the reply in Wikipedia:Help desk#Wikitable formatting and make new posts in the same section. If you don't see recent changes to a page then try bypassing your cache. PrimeHunter 01:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 4 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jack Clancy, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 03:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Gavin Donoghue

Sorry, i thought you were interested in football articles.Thanks--Sunderland06 15:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Super Bowl XVIII

My source is this. Seems as though this suppports what you are saying being on the roster. I'm not sure why he wasn't on the Super Bowl roster. Injury? If he was a regular player throughout the season, I would put him in the template, as that is the usual standard for these types of navboxes. Thanks. - Masonpatriot 17:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I think there is value in putting players on injured reserve on the templates. I've already added a few players into the templates when I created them that were major contributors but did not play in the SB due to injury (i.e. Phil Simms for SB XXV and Anthony McFarland for SB XXXVII to name a couple). I wouldn't be in favor of including pracitce sqad, mid-season trades, preseason cuts and the like because I believe that that overloads the navboxes and is inconsistent with what is done in the other sport templates (MLB, NBA, College basketball). Many practice squad players never see action during the regular season, so I see no need to add them when they never officially played, never mind play in the super bowl. The same rationale applies to pre-season cuts. As far as trades, well, to use an example from baseball, Nomar Garciaparra is not including in the 2004 Red Sox navbox since he was traded mid-season, though he played for the team and received a ring. I would argue that he should not be in the navbox, and neither should any September call-up who was not on a postseason roster. I feel as though the Super Bowl navboxes are very inclusive as they are, and only need minor changes when players are found to be missing when they should be included (like you are doing). I'm sure I missed more than a few when I created the templates, or I may not have a good of a grasp on each individual team, so I hope editors like you add players who may have been missed during my initial sweep. Finally, the source that I've used, while listing players who played for a team during the regular season who were not on the SB roster, does not give their status (IR, cut, trade, etc.). My source would not be useful in differentiating that info. Thanks for your work and discussion, and I hope you see where I'm coming from. Sorry for the long response!! - Masonpatriot 17:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Lists

Saw your comment on my RfA - my concern about the lists was that poor Scorpion0422 closed all but two of the discussions - some help there would probably be appreciated :) Thanks for your support! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Whitey Wistert

I added some additional information to your article on Whitey Wistert. The new stuff comes from a 2004 article about the Wistert brothers in the Detroit News and from other sources. Hope that helps. Cbl62 (talk) 03:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 5 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ed Muransky, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Adam Cuerden ^talk 05:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Mike Boren and Billy Taylor

FYI -- The only other Michigan football articles I've created recently are Billy Taylor (American football) and Mike Boren. Not sure there's a DYK hook in the Boren article, but Taylor has led an interesting life -- spending 20+ years as a drug addict/alcoholic, living on the streets of Detroit, then having a religious experience that turned his life around. But I haven't had time to clean up the cites and references on the Taylor article. I've been working on another project tonight but will be getting back to the U-M stuff soon. Cbl62 (talk) 07:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK nom

Did you know? was updated. On 5 December, 2007, a fact from the article George Hoey, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Woody (talk) 14:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Edward Teller

Thank you for your sporting message.

My fundamental test for FA is: am I embarrassed to see this on the front page? I am embarrassed by several present (recently promoted) FAs, and would be by most GAs; but, as you said, Edward Teller is an excellent article. Really, all I wanted was to have that admitted, and considered when we decided whether the star should be kept. Whether the article can be improved is another question; all articles can be improved. This one has not been greatly improved, nor greatly changed, by the review; it was excellent before.

This is why I scorn mechanical tests: I am not embarrassed by the millimeter's difference between an en-dash and a hyphen; nor by linking short of a sea of blue.

It is, in fact (and this is plain on looking at the sources), a collation of the several excellent sources in the bibliography. Lists of Michigan Wolverines football receiving leaders does not have this justification; it has no bibliography. Articles do need citation; but footnotes are not the only form of citation; a footnote that does not actually do anything for the reader which he cannot do easily for himself is not valuable to the encyclopedia.

Please also consider Horace François Bastien Sébastiani de La Porta, which has too many footnotes; it was refused FA largely because it does. Footnotes are a cost, although often a necessary cost. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 06:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Garland Rivers

Nice job on the Garland Rivers article. Very thorough and well written. I've been substantially re-doing the Jamie Morris article which was previously a stub. If you have anything to add to it, have at it. Cbl62 (talk) 07:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 7 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles Lists of Michigan Wolverines football receiving leaders, and Lists of Michigan Wolverines football passing leaders, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 00:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 8 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gene Derricotte, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 12:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

• Tony -- Nice phrasing on the Gene Derricotte hook. Cbl62 (talk) 16:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 8 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chris Howard (American football), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 19:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Edward Teller FAR

I closed this FAR. You can tell by looking at the history of either the FAR page or the FAR archive page. Joelito (talk) 00:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 9 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ted Petoskey, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Elmer Gedeon

Hi, the above GA nominee is on hold, please respond to concerns on the talk page within seven days or the article will fail. Due to concerns I have with the article, when you believe the current problems to be fixed, notify me and I will reassess it then and either pass, fail or extend the hold based on results. Regards --Jackyd101 (talk) 04:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello

I saw your name and found out that you are very active in WikiProject Chicago. I have written some articles about a province in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and find that we have no WikiProject. So I created one, the WP:CONGO. I am not very experienced in Wikipedia. I learn fast and work with others well. If you ever have any spare time and can help us create a better WikiProject page, this would be very nice. Even if you have little time, spending 2-3 minutes to add some kind of template or other details to our page would be helpful. If you don't mind, I would like to copy a few things from the WP:Chicago page.

Our first order of business is not the wikiproject but actually writing the articles! Wish me luck! Congolese (talk) 07:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On December 9 2007, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Eric Kattus, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Eric Kattus), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Edward Teller

Joel closed it and I support his decision. It was doing more harm than good remaining on FAR. Marskell (talk) 10:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 9 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Clarence Williams (1977-), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Ged mich bb.jpg

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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 20:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 9 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Garland Rivers, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 21:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

UM Template

I am thinking of eliminating the other important figures section. I think we have fleshed out every type of individual who could reasonably contest being added for being in a class of important individuals. I think the remaining persons are personal favorites more than important persons. The only possible category I might add would be Michigan Hall of Honor. However, I think we should leave the template generic so that other schools from other conferences as well as our own can copy it in a way that helps the project move forward without needless battles. I like guys like Dennis Franklin, Jon Vaughn and Jamie Morris. However, from the international Wikipedian perspective, they are not cleanly distinguished from others not included on the template. Why not add Julius Franks, Elmer Gedeon and endless others if we don't just say we have got all important categories of Michigan players included. Any thoughts?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree the Template is too long, but I think the Other Important Figures (OIF) section is needed. While having a subjective element, there is a short list of people whose importance in the U-M tradition is indisputable. Don Canham and Bob Ufer are good examples. Sure, we could add categories for athletic directors or broadcasters, but most who have served in those capacities (unlike Canham and Ufer) are either unimportant or appear elsewhere on the template (e.g., past A.D.'s like Yost, Crisler and Schembechler, and current A.D. Martin). Rather than adding more categories, I think the OIF section is the best way to handle it. Similarly, individuals who have set truly major records at U-M but don't fit other categories would fit in this category. Examples include Jamie Morris who set the all-time school rushing records (both season and career) and still holds the record for all-purpose yardage in a U-M uniform. Steve Breaston is another example, as he holds the all-time return records (both punt and kickoff) by wide margins. (Right now, you have included him in the Alumni Active in the NFL section, but he would unfairly fall off the list if he is released by his current NFL team. If we want to shorten the template (which I think is a good idea), I think better candidates would be (i) the Alumni Active in the NFL section (it is very long and consists of people who are either already listed in the template elsewhere or are marginal players in terms of their U-M importance), and (ii) shortening the All-Americans section by eliminating double-references (maybe just include a parenthetical (2) if someone was a two-time winner as in the case of multiple Pro-Bowl appearances). Cbl62 (talk) 21:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the best way to look at the template is to view it as a general template that we are using for Michigan. What should every football program (in BCS conference) do? I think it might be unfair to Western Michigan Broncos football for whom being drafted at all or ever having played in the NFL might be worth keeping them on the template to hold them to a BCS standard. However, I think most BCS schools would be able to summarize the important wikilinks for their program by copying our format. We have the second most AAs so even though we seem over loaded it is not too much of a problem as a general policy. I think the best way to shorten the section might be to eliminate the "^" and use italics or underlining to represent consensus and unanimous. I think many of the players who we want to say are important are important due to their recent good will production due to recent athletic production. Even though Chad Henne and Ryan Mallett are important to Michigan football, they have not really earned their place on the template. There will be several 2007 All Big Ten awardees and I don't think either will be first team. However, I will not contest this section due to your explanation of a need for a catch all section, which catches them too. I guess we are doing O.K. I left something at Talk:Gerald Ford about whether they want our big template or just the retired numbers one.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

You make a good reasoned point about the length of the template being the result of the inordinate number of AAs, Pro Bowlers, etc, who have come out of the U-M program as opposed to other programs. As for specific people in the OIF category, I think Henne is just like Morris and Breaston. Though he never made All-American and may never be a Pro-Bowler, he is the holder of a number of very significant all-time U-M records, including the all-time career record for passing yards. I included Mallett mostly because of his central importance to the current program, but he also holds the U-M record for the longest pass from scrimmage in school history with a 97 yard pass to Manningham in the Nov. 2007 Wisconsin game). Cbl62 (talk) 22:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Another thought on shortening the template. If the Alumni Active in the NFL section is kept, it should be limited to the REAL NFL. Guys like Adam Stenavich who are playing in the NFL Europe should not be included. Cbl62 (talk) 05:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Re FYI POTD nom

That's cool, but I think anything that becomes an FP pretty much automatically becomes a POTD anyway - it's just a bit of a wait. You might like to drop Howcheng a note and ask, as he pretty much runs POTD. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 06:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tony. The POTD is selected from the pool of Featured Pictures in a roughly first-in first-out order; they're in reverse order at WP:FPT. As you can see, your baseball picture is still way behind in the queue. I wouldn't expect it to reach the Main Page until late January or so, although I was actually considering keeping it in reserve for the opening day of the new baseball season. howcheng {chat} 17:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Rober Wahl

I added an article tonight on 2-time All-American Robert Wahl. There's definitely some DYK potential. Any help you want to provide on the article is definitely welcome. Cbl62 (talk) 08:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Jamie Morris

Do you think Jamie Morris qaulfies for DYK based on having previously been a stub? If you want to give it a once over and then nominate it, that would be fine with me. Cbl62 (talk) 16:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)