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:*:I'm opposed to such a DP, because it would still imply al-Andalus was a 'state'. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 15:11, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:*:I'm opposed to such a DP, because it would still imply al-Andalus was a 'state'. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 15:11, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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* '''Oppose''': Aggressive clean up and removal based on entirely spurious reasoning (that a "treaty" category is restricted to a state/non-state actor only). I don't see any of the alternatives suggested to be more helpful to wiki users than the existing categories. [[User:Al-Andalusi|Al-Andalusi]] ([[User talk:Al-Andalusi|talk]]) 10:03, 18 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Horror comedy films

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There's a consistency problem in this tree. There was some pointless wankery around this in 2016, with the head article moved back and forth between "comedy horror" and "horror comedy" a few times in quick succession and the category almost immediately nominated and renominated to tag along each time -- but the article and the list of films have been stably at "comedy horror" ever since that silliness ended and have never been moved back again since, and all of the individual by-century, by-country and by-decade subcategories have always been named "X comedy horror films" and never moved to or from "X horror comedy films" at all. Consistency is the most important thing here, so we should get these aligned first and then address them all as a batch if anybody actually wants to revive any sort of argument that "horror comedy" should be preferred. Bearcat (talk) 22:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Andalusi manuscripts

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Literature of al-Andalus. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:23, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:57, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merge I had also tagged Blue Quran and the Zaydani Library off the top of my mind, both removed by nom. There are 13,730 works created in al-Andalus by 11,831 different scholars. (See Fierro, Maribel (2021), Marcos Cobaleda, María (ed.), "The "Bestsellers" of al-Andalus", Artistic and Cultural Dialogues in the Late Medieval Mediterranean, Mediterranean Perspectives, Cham: Springer International Publishing, pp. 31–56, doi:10.1007/978-3-030-53366-3_2, ISBN 978-3-030-53366-3, retrieved 2023-06-08) WP:SMALLCAT does not apply because there is a massive potential for growth. The articles in this category will increase as more of this body of work is covered on Wikipedia. إيان (talk) 15:36, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for Now with no objection to recreating when more articles are created or more discoveries made so that this can reach 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:59, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Fast-food chains

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:23, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:48, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Baseball families by country

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Baseball families. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:24, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer since the parent category only contains a list plus this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Venezuelan baseball families

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:24, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:42, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Saints George and Constantine

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:25, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I cannot find any indication that this is a defining award for recipients at any level of the award—WP:OCAWARD. Since the abolition of the Greek monarchy it is not even a state award. (t · c) buidhe 21:36, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Arthur Dobbs

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:25, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Massively over-parented eponymous category for a single person, with no possibility for expansion.
31 parent categories! BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:31, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Delete per nom (t · c) buidhe 21:32, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, the category just contains things named after Dobbs, not about Doubs. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dominican baseball families

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Baseball families , Category:Dominican Republic families, and Category:Dominican Republic baseball people. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:26, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To standardize with other DR categories and distinguish that it's the Dominican Republic and not Dominica. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Miss International Queen templates

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Beauty pageant templates and Category:Thailand templates. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:28, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT --woodensuperman 10:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: AFAIK WP:SMALLCAT (and all of WP:OCAT for that matter) is only supposed to apply to content categories, not maintenance/template categories like this. That said, upmerging (rather than deletion) wouldn't be inappropriate in this case. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 19:32, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Recipients of the Order of Honour (Greece)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:28, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No indication that I can find that this award is defining for either Greek or foreign recipients at any level of the award. Clear violation of WP:OCAWARD. (t · c) buidhe 19:08, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films shot in New Jersey in the 21st century

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:28, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are no other categories listing the time period in which a film was shot, let alone in a single state in a given time period. Such a tree would be so broad that it's worthless. DoubleCross (‡) 17:51, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sports clubs by country subdivision

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The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:29, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 15#Category:Sports clubs. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 17:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy merge per WP:C2C. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. The distinction between a sports "team" and a sports "club" isn't always clearcut enough that we could consistently and reliably distinguish the two in the category system. Bearcat (talk) 22:31, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, the United States will require a significant clean-up after the merge, because many club subcategories should be moved further down to Category:Sports teams in the United States by sport (which in turn may also be nominated for renaming). Marcocapelle (talk) 03:13, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • support. Pelmeen10 (talk) 11:12, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all where's Georgia? Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    All countries didn't have one clubs and one teams from the beginning so no need to merge them. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 05:30, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to closer: please list Teams for renaming and Clubs for merging, as Teams categories are generally the parent of Clubs. – Fayenatic London 09:57, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sporting clubs in Australia

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Sports clubs and teams in Australia. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:38, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 15#Category:Sports clubs, side-nomination because of WP:ENGVAR that I'm not sure how to handle the best. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 17:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • If there is going to be a merge, I suggest it be to Category:Sports clubs and teams in Australia for consistency with every other country. Nurg (talk) 08:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per Nurg or nom. I do not know which would be best. But if they use "Sports teams", I am sure they can use "Sports clubs and teams". –Aidan721 (talk) 11:30, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Society of England by city

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:39, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer, only holds Society of London. – Fayenatic London 09:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Honoured Master of Sport

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:39, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Similar to other eastern bloc honored master of sport awards, this award was granted for, and therefore secondary to, actual competitive achievements. The awardees are categorized and defined by their actual achievements (ie. winning competitions), not for the award. Many of the articles in this category don't have a sourced mention. It's a clear case of WP:OCAWARD. (t · c) buidhe 07:00, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Skanderbeg (1990–)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:40, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining award. Does not appear to be defining for any recipients on enwiki, so I went to the shqip wikipedia and found the same result. (t · c) buidhe 06:32, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Georgi Dimitrov

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:40, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This Bulgarian communist award appears to have often bestowed on foreigners (such as foreign political leaders and Soviet astronauts), but even for Bulgarian recipients, it does not seem to be defining for any of them. Delete per WP:NONDEF. 2 years ago it was cfd and declared no-consensus result, but there is no more signs of being defining now as then. (t · c) buidhe 06:28, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lists of Interstate Highways sharing the same title

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Road disambiguation pages. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:41, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: All pages in this category are actually disambiguation pages, not lists. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 02:54, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Treaties of ancient Greece

Nominator's rationale (ancient Greece): Possibly WP:NONDEFINING because ancient Greece was not a state actor nor a non-state actor. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 27#Category:Treaties of the medieval Islamic world where similar factors are at play. If we choose to regard ancient Greece as a predecessor of the modern Hellenic Republic, known as Greece (per parent Category:Treaties of Greece), it might be different. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:18, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale (al-Andalus): Similarly, al-Andalus was neither a state actor nor a non-state actor, see above. If we choose to regard al-Andalus as a predecessor of modern Spain and Portugal (through parent Category:Military history of al-Andalus, grandparent Category:History of al-Andalus, great-grandparent Category:Al-Andalus, great-great-grandparents Category:Medieval Portugal and Category:Medieval Spain), it might be different. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Al-Andalusi @Marcocapelle @Fayenatic london FYI because you have commented on the "Category:Treaties of the medieval Islamic world" CfM, which led to this CfM. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Entirely removing the content of these categories from the tree of Category:Ancient Greece and Category:Al-Andalus is not a good idea. Perhaps with the proposed merge the articles and subcats stay in those trees in some other way, then it would be fine, but I have not checked that yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 02:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: Aggressive clean up and removal based on entirely spurious reasoning (that a "treaty" category is restricted to a state/non-state actor only). I don't see any of the alternatives suggested to be more helpful to wiki users than the existing categories. Al-Andalusi (talk) 10:03, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:2023 Establishments in Nebraska

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The result of the discussion was: speedy renamed. Bearcat (talk) 11:36, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: proper capitalization GoingBatty (talk) 00:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Silly me. Support Caleb M1 (talk) 02:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per WP:C2B, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy rename per Marcoapelle. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:55, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This kind of thing didn't need to come to a full CFD for seven days of discussion, and could have just been listed in the speedy renaming section if you weren't able to just immediately move it yourself. Since the capitalization error here was additionally causing other problems (a redlinked maintenance category) that needed to be fixed anyway, I've just speedied the move to the correct name. Bearcat (talk) 11:36, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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