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* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 22:28, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 22:28, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - I actually think this is a plausible search term for the 4th Doctor. I'm genuinely surprised it isn't mentioned in the article. [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] ([[User talk:Fieari|talk]]) 01:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - I actually think this is a plausible search term for the 4th Doctor. I'm genuinely surprised it isn't mentioned in the article. [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] ([[User talk:Fieari|talk]]) 01:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
*'''Retarget''' to [[Jelly Babies#In popular culture]] where it's explained. I'm not a Whovian, but it sounds wider than the Fourth Doctor. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 01:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)


====Jason Waterfalls====
====Jason Waterfalls====

Revision as of 01:03, 10 April 2024

April 7

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 7, 2024.

DFTS

Rarely, if ever, referred to that way. Googling, the most common topic is Defense Freight Transportation Services which we don't have an article about, and I don't see any use of this abbreviation elsewhere Wikipedia. Could be a typo of DFTD, since they're one off on a QWERTY keyboard, but I don't think it's worth keeping a typo of an abbreviation. Rusalkii (talk) 01:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thermodynamics of nanostructures

The redirect should be deleted. The name of the page was an error, it appears that an editor thought that Thermodynamics was short for Thermal dynamics which it is not. The page has been changed to the more appropriate title Thermal transport in nanostructures. The redirect is incorrect, as it is not on thermodynamics, so would take readers in the wrong direction. I cannot find an actual page on thermodynamics in nanostructures, so it should be removed for the moment. Ldm1954 (talk) 04:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep for now as an {{R from move}}, unless the phrase clashes with another topic. The article has used the former title for almost ten years and may become hard to find without the redirect. ― Synpath 21:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please note that the old name is misleading -- that should matter most. The science clashes. Ldm1954 (talk) 22:32, 10 18 March 2024 (UTC)
    N.B., the redirect is comparable to having a redirect from "Star" "Satellite" to "Milky Way" -- misleading without rationale. Please check the article content. Ldm1954 (talk) 22:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure how misleading the redirect really is. As far as I understand, the physics of thermal transport would be a subset of thermodynamics. If I'm hopelessly wrong there, then sure, it might be harmful enough to delete. Even then, I don't think that this is wholly unreasonable thing to be mistaken about (hence a useful redirect).
    Regardless, deleting the redirect would break several internal links, which are easy to fix, but one should do that ahead of deletion. External links might exist as well, but that's more difficult to assess. I'd say that the redirect should be left alone for a month or three to see if it becomes unused. If that is established then it may make sense to revisit deleting this, but it still seems WP:CHEAP to keep around. ― Synpath 00:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, but yup, you are very wrong. Thermal transport is exactly what it says, how heat via vibrations (phonons) or electrons is transmitted from one place to another, for instance compare copper to an insulator such as glass wool. The topic is relevant as it changes at the nanoscale.
    Thermodynamics is all about what phase you have and how it varies with composition, temperature, pressure, gas environment etc. For instance why you can melt ice by adding salt to it, the solution freezes at a much lower temperature. Thermodynamics at the nanoscale is important, but has nothing to do with heat transfer. Ldm1954 (talk) 07:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Thermal transport is akin to ocean heating or magma flow. Thermodynamics is the (theoretical) study of ergodic systems with a large number of particles and the conservation of energy. It would seem the original article was created with a typo in the title; its pointless to preserve typos. 67.198.37.16 (talk) 15:17, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • This was moved two weeks back. Internal incoming links need to be fixed first per Synpath. Jay 💬 15:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hugin 2023.0.0.d88dc56ded0e built by Thomas

Unlikely search target, nobody is gonna search by git commit ID Sohom (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Institute for Macedonian language "Krste Misirkov"

I think this is a very awkwardly phrased redirect that is unlikely to be the way a reader would search for this article. This page title is close to the actual name so if a reader used these words, the article would appear in the search results so I don't think this redirect serves any useful purpose. Liz Read! Talk! 01:44, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really see a problem. I understand it is a strange format in English Wikipedia but it is the direct translation of the Macedonian name. Other languages tend to use such names with quotes. I think the redirect might be useful for Macedonian-speakers who are less used to the English style in which the proper name goes first in the institution's name. Super Ψ Dro 09:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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X (far-right website)

Doesn't seem like a necessary redirect, and the reference of "far-right" doesn't seem established in the main article. EggRoll97 (talk) 22:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Even if Elon Musk has tendencies to post dumb stuff that would cater to the far-right, Twitter isn't a far-right website by itself. If it were, I would've GTFO'd of it long ago. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 22:37, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Reliable sources have refered to X as a far-right website, see [1]. Redirects do not need to have neutral names. Binnenstaat (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, regardless of the result, the proper redirect target for this should be Twitter instead of X (social network), which is a redirect. Esolo5002 (talk) 00:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Twitter as per Binnenstaat and Esolo. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. To respond to Binnenstaat's comment, that article does not describe X as a "far-right website". It is not a plausible search term, and seems like a sort of POV-pushing, because now this redirect could show up in search results. We don't need redirects like "4chan (far-right website)" or "Tumblr (left-wing website)". Simply searching for "X (website)" will be enough. Kk.urban (talk) 01:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article does not need to describe X as a far-right website. All that matters is that there are reliable sources that describe it as such. If there are reliable sources that refer to X as a far-right website, then "X (far-right website)" is not an implausible search term, even if it is non-neutral. Binnenstaat (talk) 16:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above Okmrman (talk) 13:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. Implausible search term; opening the door to redirects which make commentary on the subject's political views without good reason seems like a bad idea. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 14:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Article doesn't support the claim that X is a far-right website, even if popular among the far-right. X (website) is already a sufficient redirect for WP:RPURPOSE. Recommend WP:SNOWCLOSE. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 16:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It is also problematic to label it as such in the title, akin to (but lesser of a problem than) a nasty redirect to a person. It's filled with far-right people, but it shouldn't be in the disambiguator. SWinxy (talk) 19:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-binary lesbian

I don't think that having an article redirect go to a category is what people expect Mason (talk) 21:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New changes

I don't think a redirect from main space to a special page is useful for our readers and the page title is so ambiguous that it isn't clear at all that it pertains to the editing process on the project. There is already a link in the left-hand side menu and editors who watch recent changes know where to find this page. Readers who have nothing to do with editing are more likely to think that "New changes" pertains to something going on in the world. I also think we need to be careful with redirects that point outside the main space of the project. Liz Read! Talk! 20:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Face (TV series)

Article recently moved per RM. Should be retargeted to dabpage at Face (disambiguation)#Television; insufficient disambiguation. An editor at the RM was in favour of keeping this redirect to The Face (franchise), posting here for a consensus. 162 etc. (talk) 17:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep the only television series with this name are part of the franchise so the franchise page acts as an informal disambiguation page * Pppery * it has begun... 17:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But Face (disambiguation) is an actual disambiguation page. 162 etc. (talk) 21:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as is per Pppery. The only television series called "The Face" are ones part of the same franchise, so anyone looking for "The Face (TV series)" should be brought directly to the franchise article rather than a disambiguation entry with the same listings. That is how we can best guide our readers, rather than making them go a roundabout way to navigate to what they were searching for from the get go. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dora Romano

As per WP:RFD#DELETE, the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject. In addition, the target is capricious as there is no strong[er] association: subject has similar credits in other works, including: The Hand of God (film), The Goddess of Fortune, Perfume: The Story of a Murderer (film), or Mafia Mamma which could be also potential targets on that basis. Asqueladd (talk) 16:18, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hyundai Ioniq 1

Apparent hoaxing; no such vehicles exist and no such vehicles appear at either the target article or in Ioniq. I almost tagged these for G3 but I didn't think the hoaxing was obvious enough. Sable232 (talk) 14:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A. A. Abbott

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep and add to target. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 12:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
  • Delete. The name today (according to a quick Google search) is more closely associated with Helen Blenkinsop, for which we don't have an article. While Samuel Spewack also used the name as a pseudonym and would warrant a disambiguating hatnote should an article exist on the primary topic, redirecting as-is is more likely to confuse readers. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Blenkinsop is a recent user of the name (there's also the author of The Bazique-player's Hand-book, and various others). If you are prepared to write an article for her, then great. If not, don't destroy a valid redirect on that basis. (There also some other A. A. Abbotts.) All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]
    Also the founder of this town: Kalkaska, Michigan. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 23:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Greater Power

Vague redirect not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Refine to List of Dungeons & Dragons deities#Ranks of divine power A quick Google search reveals this, which reveals through a redirect that this is another term for "Greater deities", a term that DOES appear in our target article. (That said, this is only a weak refine; I could probably be convinced to delete instead fairly easily.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not really any mention of it and it's not like Greater Power is a term exclusive to D&D Okmrman (talk) 03:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Refine per Lunamann, as I have added the term to that section as an explicit reference. BOZ (talk) 06:18, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. My first thought here was religion, but I can't verify what the most common usage is as search results are overwhelmed by adjectival uses for things (e.g. machines) having greater power than something else. Thryduulf (talk) 12:22, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or disambiguate this frequently refers to God -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 07:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or disambiguate to mention Higher Power (disambiguation), which to me is the most likely target, plus a see-also link to Great power. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or disambiguate, Greater Power is by no means a term exclusive to D&D and is often used to refer to actual religion-Samoht27 (talk) 18:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Disambiguate, better than deletion where there are multiple possible meanings. BD2412 T 02:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate - Valid search term, we should provide information on what the searcher is looking for, but the exact target is potentially ambiguous. I expressly do not support deletion, but also agree that the current target is not the best for all users. Fieari (talk) 06:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The higher power

Vague redirect not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Retarget to dab. Fieari (talk) 01:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to the disambiguation page per those above. BD2412 T 02:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to the dab page per above --Lenticel (talk) 23:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The greater power

Vague redirect not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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China's under martial law

A lyric from We Didn't Start the Fire that is not mentioned at the target. Without a mention, and especially from a song tied with world history and events, this term can very well be used for topics relating to China being under martial law, and is not currently helpful as a redirect to a song where this line is not discussed. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Note the "British politician sex" discussion referenced in my comment above is at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 22#British politician sex. Thryduulf (talk) 00:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per Thryduulf. A7V2 (talk) 00:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (or delete, but don't retarget). The specific wording is unlikely to be sought by readers looking for information outside of the context of the song. While the coverage at the song article was removed following a lot of back-and-forth last year, the redirect is still helpful for people trying to locate the origin of the phrase, even if not mentioned directly. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thinking a bit more about this, there are two groups of readers who'll be looking up such phrases from the lyrics: those coming from the song and wanting to find what real-world event it's referring to, and those coming across references from elsewhere and wondering where they're from. Thryduulf's comment was considering the former, while I was thinking of the latter. Having to choose one over the other is suboptimal, but with the removal from the song article there's no longer a solution that would satisfy both. Considering that Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a lyrics database, I'm leaning more towards delete. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, and don't retarget per Paul. Having a present tense redirect to Martial law#China will be misleading and surprising. Jay 💬 07:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Retarget to Martial law#China. Concepts without a mention anywhere should be completely ignored at RfD, so let's disregard the mention in the song lyrics. Then this falls back to Thryduulf's logic. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:28, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:PrinceofPunjab/Archive 24

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was speedy delete per author request. plicit 11:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

wrong page created PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:18, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy delete as the user created it by accident and requests it to be deleted. I have tagged the page with {{db-g7}}. Xeroctic (talk) 08:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Would you like a Jelly Baby?

An R from catchphrase not mentioned at the target article, not a likely search term for the Fourth Doctor. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete. I am EXCEEDINGLY surprised that that catchphrase ISN'T mentioned in the target article, given how ingrained said catchphrase is to the Fourth Doctor's character-- it's as Fourth Doctor as his scarf. If someone were to add it to the article, I don't think I'd support deletion anymore. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 05:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete per first reply Okmrman (talk) 03:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jason Waterfalls

Nobody named "Jason" is mentioned at the target page of this R from catchphrase redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Chasing" is also not mentioned at the target, which I would've expected Chasing Waterfalls more if anything. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that is surprising. It's part of the chorus and central to the concept of the song, so it seems like it could pretty easily be included. Sergecross73 msg me 01:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom Okmrman (talk) 03:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Mishearing of an unmentioned term is too many errors to keep. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:28, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (But retarget to section.) Where else should someone typing this be taken? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 23:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Gana, Iran

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The F-Bomb (movie)

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F-Bomb (documentary)

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F-Bomb (film)

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The F-Bomb (film)

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F-Bomb (movie)

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "F" Word (film)

Per WP:RDEL #8 BilledMammal (talk) 03:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oorum Unavum

Not mentioned at target. jlwoodwa (talk) 02:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Botad–Ahmedabad line

Not mentioned at target. jlwoodwa (talk) 02:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I created this redirect to replace a piped link in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Botad_Junction_railway_station&oldid=1002597659 (25 Jan 2021) which piped it to Surendranagar–Bhavnagar line. However, that original piping looks questionable, as pointed out above, so in the absence of other information, I agree with deleting the redirect. Colonies Chris (talk) 08:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The American Dodgeball Association of America

Not mentioned at target. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]