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Did you know... that the 2022 Sweden riots stemmed from an anti-Islamic group burning a Quran during Ramadan with police permission?

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Neutrality

This article lacks neutrality. It entirely blames Rasmus Paludan, but Swedish police and Swedish politicians have not blamed Rasmus Paludan for the riots. 82.147.226.240 (talk) 16:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is somewhat true, I have tried to clean this up to an extent. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 22:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dunutubble, Aye1399, I think the first paragraph of the timeline section is still written from a non neutral POV, probably because it is sourced to the Anadolu Agency. I have changed Dunutubble's citation need tag after to better source needed.

Evrik the Anadolu Agency article promotes the views of "Turkish-born politician Mikail Yuksel", so I don't agree that it is a reliable source here. TSventon (talk) 08:45, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have replaced the text based on the Anadolu Agency article with more neutral text from a Brussels Times article. TSventon (talk) 07:42, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of sources supporting lede

At the moment, the lede sentence to the article includes "riots broke out in several Swedish cities by Islamists," however, none of the reliable sources on the page seem to support the involvement of Islamists. Of all the sources on the page, the only one I can see that outright mentions Islamism is this one, and that's because it's quoting an opposition politician saying that there should've been "100 injured Islamists" as part of a call for a harsher police response to the unrest. And if I do a search, the most I can find from reliable sources is the Minister of Justice saying that Islamists in other countries have spread anti-Sweden disinformation on social media in recent years, which contributes to inflamed tensions, not that the counter-demonstrators in this specific unrest were Islamists. NHCLS (talk) 22:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Attempts to add the "Islamist" label are being pushed by a single editor who doesn't provide sources for the claim. Most news reports don't talk about the background of the rioters much but those that do usually say that the rioters tend to be youths from a Muslim or minority background. "Islamist" makes it sound like a a more organized event than it is. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 17:24, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The two preceding comments beggar belief. The riots were enacted by islamists. Full stop. Trying to parse this -- to use wikipedia as a islamist pro-POV propaganda site -- is ludicrous. It is perfectly legal to burn a Quaran. And, the only people who respond with riots are Islamists. That's it. Anything else is mealy-mouthed, red-herring, crocodile tears propaganda. 24.57.55.50 (talk) 16:26, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a WP:BLUE situation. If it wasn't Islamic extremists that freaked out and started rioting over their book being burned, then who did? Was it some completely detached, outside, nebulous group that decided to wreak havok because of this event? Or was it the followers of the religion that always riot when their book is publicly torched? You don't need a source for this info. Innican Soufou (talk) 02:09, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

According to most RS many of the rioters were likely to be youth from minority backgrounds. Not necessarily Islamist. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:15, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the riots were being done by a group of Islamists, it should be easy to find a reliable source stating such. Maybe it was Islamists. Maybe it was a group of white nationalists trying to get them blamed for rioting. Maybe a group of whites who just wanted to riot. Not BLUE. Find an RS, preferably more than one, list them here, list the change you wish to make, and get wp:consensus. Adakiko (talk) 18:41, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 01:43, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the leader of an anti-Islam group in Sweden burned a Quran, the Muslim holy book, during the holy month of Ramadan with police permission and caused 2022 Sweden riots?

Created by Dunutubble (talk). Nominated by Aye1399 (talk) at 14:25, 24 April 2022 (UTC).[reply]

- Reviewed: Not required
Comment (not review), Aye1399, the hook needs to contain a bolded wikilink to the subject, e.g. 2022 Sweden riots or riots. I have done some edits to the hook's grammar. TSventon (talk) 14:54, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TSventon, Thank you for the edits.Aye1399 (talk) 07:07, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aye1399, please can you edit the hook so it mentions the subject of the article, otherwise it won't be usable for DYK. By the way, you need to add a user name and sign your comment in the same edit to generate a notification. TSventon (talk) 06:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the article was created by Dunutubble, not Aye1399. Dunutubble, are you happy with this nomination? TSventon (talk) 08:59, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just pointing out that anyone can nominate an article created by someone else; it happens all the time at DYK. If the creator sees issues with the nomination, they are free to point them out, or to suggest alternate hooks. I've adjusted the "Created by" line above to reflect the creation and nomination info; the DYKmake templates are correct. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:56, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TSventon, Do you like to review and judge this hook?Aye1399 (talk) 13:17, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to request another reviewer. Aye1399 (talk) 11:17, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do it. --evrik ^(talk) 02:26, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you evrik. Aye1399, "Comment (not review)" normally means the editor is not intending to review the nomination, so I am happy for someone else to do so. TSventon (talk) 03:31, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TSventon: If you have any other comments on the article, could you address them here rather than reversing my work? Thank you. --evrik ^(talk) 16:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik:, can you explain why you have commented out my Better source needed tag? If a tag is resolved or unnecessary, it can be removed. The text preceding the Anadolu Agency (AA) reference is based on that source, not on Euronews, and inherits the AA point of view, which is not neutral, so I believe a tag is justified. TSventon (talk) 23:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have replaced the text based on the Anadolu Agency article with more neutral text from a Brussels Times article. I have therefore removed my Better source needed tag and your Why tag. TSventon (talk) 07:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - n

QPQ: Done.

Overall: No QPQ needed. I've tagged a couple of areas that need explanation. The hook needs to be reworked. I've supplied an alternate. --evrik ^(talk) 03:58, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

evrik, I would suggest that triggered is a better verb than caused in your hook. The lead uses the word triggered, but should be immediately followed by a reference to support the hook. I have noted on the talk page that the first paragraph of the timeline section is not written from a neutral POV and added a better source needed tag. TSventon (talk) 08:57, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1 "... that recent riots in Sweden were caused by the leader of an anti-Islamic group burning a Quran during the holy month of Ramadan? --evrik ^(talk) 03:58, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alt2 "... that the burning of Quran by leader of an anti-Islamic group during the holy month of Ramadan under police protection triggered the 2022 Sweden riots?

evrik, I believe this is important to be in the presence of the police, and the police believe that this support is due to freedom of opinion and democracy in Sweden.Aye1399 (talk) 06:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Aye1399: there are a lot of dependent clauses in these hooks. Can you tighten up the hooks? Also, the timeline section of the article needs some clarification. --evrik ^(talk) 16:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Evrik:,Hi, thanks. "there are a lot of dependent clauses in these hook," what is the problem with this? The hook can contain multiple facts and be supported by multiple sources.Aye1399 (talk) 09:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone else want to weigh in on the hooks? --evrik ^(talk) 14:55, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1a: ... that the 2022 Sweden riots stem from an anti-Islamic group burning a Quran during Ramadan?
ALT3: ... that the Swedish prime minister condemned a recent outbreak of rioting, but also acknowledged that they were provoked?
For evrik theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Approving Alt 1a. --evrik ^(talk) 14:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @evrik: I'm sure you have a good reason, but could you explain why you struck ALT3? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - It was too different from the rest. @Aye1399:, are you okay with hook Alt3? --evrik ^(talk) 15:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT4:... that the 2022 Sweden riots stem from an anti-Islamic group burning a Quran during Ramadan with police permission?

@Evrik:: ALT1a is good, but it is attractive to the international audience to know that this happened with the police permission.One of the Hook's criteria is attractive. Aye1399 (talk) 08:55, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aye1399, I am okay with Alt 4. I’ll leave it to the promoter. --evrik ^(talk) 19:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Motivation for Riots

The article seems to imply that the riots were "caused" by the Quran protests. According to a reliable source (generally left-of-center in the US), the protests were likely used as a cover by criminal gangs to attack police, and did not necessarily have a purely religious motivation:

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/18/1093289012/riots-in-sweden

I'm starting this talk page preemptively in case there is disagreement. Note that NPR is generally a reliable source. DenverCoder9 (talk) 06:21, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well done for finding this, and I agree it should be in our article. NPR seems like a reliable source, but to anchor such an important aspect, I would say more are needed. E. g. a few major Swedish outlets, say Sveriges Television [1] and Dagens Nyheter.[2] Also, the NPR article (like all other reports in English that I can find via Google) references Associated Press. Associated Press appears at the top of the NPR article, and NPR's "criminal gangs" content is taken word for word from [3]. Might it not be better to cite AP directly? Also, do you think you could treat it in the body of the article as well? The lead should summarize the body, and to have this content so prominent in the lead while it hardly appears at all in the body is unbalanced. Perhaps a section of its own? Bishonen | tålk 07:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Granted permission by government and police?

We need to find out and add wether the riots were granted permission by the Stockholm government, or were granted protection by the police department. Thank you. 176.227.24.33 (talk) 04:02, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]