Talk:W. Morrissey

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Biography: Sports and Games

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	Sports portal This article is supported by the sports and games work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Professional wrestling Low‑importance

	W. Morrissey is within the scope of WikiProject Professional wrestling, an attempt to improve and standardize articles related to professional wrestling. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, visit the project to-do page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and contribute to discussions.Professional wrestlingWikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestlingTemplate:WikiProject Professional wrestlingProfessional wrestling articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

United States Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

College basketball

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject College basketball, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of college basketball on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.College basketballWikipedia:WikiProject College basketballTemplate:WikiProject College basketballcollege basketball articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
	This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool because one or more other projects use this class. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the `\|auto=` parameter.

A fact from W. Morrissey appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 July 2014 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Enzo Amore and Colin Cassady are "the realest guys in the room"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2014/July.

Wikipedia

On 12 December 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Big Bill (wrestler). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Tip: Anchors are case-sensitive in most browsers.

This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist.

[[Professional wrestling#Disqualification|disqualification]] The anchor (#Disqualification) is no longer available because it was deleted by a user before.

Please help fix the broken anchors. You can remove this template after fixing the problems. | Reporting errors

His billed height is 7'0", not 6'10".

Big Cass' billed height is 7'0", as given in his WWE.com profile. Whoever is editing it to be 6'10", where are you getting this information? The citation still leads to his profile. I'm guessing it used to be 6'10", but it's changed. His legitimate height isn't the issue here, it's his billed height, so the next time you change it, please list why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schmalthazar (talk • contribs) 17:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 July 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Seems the consensus in this case is to wait a bit before moving. (non-admin closure). Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:42, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Colin Cassady → Big Cass – Since moving to the main roster his ring name has been officially changed to Big Cass and his ring name has gone more main stream as wrestling fans know him better as Big Cass. He has also been referred to as simply Big Cass during his entrances with Enzo Amore in WWE and NXT for the majority of his WWE run. He is basically more notable as Big Cass rather than Colin Cassady. SethAdam99 (talk) 05:54, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - he's been Colin Cassady since 2011 though, including almost three years on NXT TV, which is also broadcast internationally despite not being on TV in the US. Big Cass as the main name has been two months, he's been Colin Cassady on the main roster as well. Perhaps we could wait one or two months more, or sooner if he wins a title before then..? starship.paint ~ KO 13:11, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Most professional wrestlers that once used a first and last name have had their wikipedia page stay with that original name (e.g: Antonio Cesaro and Alexander Rusev. Although this is slightly different, I think it should keep the title for the sake of conistency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 0737290632t2x273n (talk • contribs) 01:50, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose - Even when he was moved up to the main roster, he was still billed as "Colin Cassady". He has been billed as such for a long time until it was switched to his nickname and has used it as his current name for only a couple of months. Agreeing with Starship.paint, it is probably best to wait until he uses the name longer or possibly wins a championship with the name. Sekyaw (talk) 04:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I agree with Starship & Sekyaw its best to wait. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 09:27, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 3 December 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: MOVED. (non-admin closure) KSFT ^C 20:10, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Colin Cassady → Big Cass – It's now been 8 months in the main roster, he's been gaining a lot of notability by the IWC or casual main roster fans. I think its now time. 2A02:C7D:3B50:2400:490F:8550:AA70:5D69 (talk) 12:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support, his appearances on Raw trump his appearances on NXT. McPhail (talk) 22:12, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support He has definitely gained more notability under the name from his appearances in the main roster. Now also applies to WP:COMMONNAME. Sekyaw (talk) 06:22, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Common name, far and away received the most exposure under this name.LM2000 (talk) 02:29, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Agree with previous responses; notability/popularity has surged while known as Big Cass. InFlamester20 (talk) 22:35, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

date of birth wrong three times

first line of the page says Aug 16, 1986 (31) profile box on the right says Aug 16, 1987 (30) the source for both of them (profightdb) lists it as Apr 8, 1986 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.96.56.161 (talk) 18:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Life

Just out of curiosity, why was his relationship with Carmella completely erased from the section? While I'm not one to list every person's relationship, wouldn't this be significant considering they were together for years, they both worked in the same company, etc. The editor who erased it dismissed it as "gossip" which I find a little puzzling. It wasn't gossip that they were together for YEARS. Kjscotte34 (talk) 17:14, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to ask this again, because I haven't gotten an answer two months later. I will be searching for a more reliable source than what was listed, but the relationship itself was not insignificant, nor was it gossip despite what may be listed in edit summaries. Kjscotte34 (talk) 17:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2018

This edit request to Big Cass has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

He was released by WWE. Isles71588 (talk) 14:24, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Already done —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:39, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New York Republican???

Any sources for this article categorization? Shawn Is Here: Now in colors 16:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 December 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 10:09, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

W. Morrisey → Big Bill (wrestler) – Current name, can't cling on to the old name used in a different company Not seeing the issue as to why it couldn't be changed right off the top Vjmlhds 03:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Strong oppose. Doesn't meet WP:NAMECHANGE nor WP:COMMONNAME. The wrestler changed his name four days ago. There is no way in such small time frame Big Bill becomes the most recognizable name for readers. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 08:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of those policies apply here. Just throwing out policies for the sake of throwing out policies with no regard for context. Vjmlhds (talk) 16:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Of course the policies apply here. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. — Czello 16:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we shouldn't really change the title until after the name is significantly in the public domain. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Too soon. Kjscotte34 (talk) 19:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I can take a hint. But, if not now, then when? Vjmlhds (talk) 23:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. However, I do believe the page should be changed to W. Morrissey, with 2 S, as I don’t know why it got changed to 1. He never used 1 S PedigreeWWEFigz87V2 (talk) 00:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Move (take 2)

OK...now that some time has passed from the last discussion, and Mr. Morrissey is now firmly established in AEW as Big Bill, I say it's time to move the page to Big Bill (professional wrestler). Can't cling on to old names forever. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:54, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

firmly established... until he changes the name again and fans ask for the new name. what did he accomplish in AEW? no major feuds, no titles... --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:43, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He didn't exactly set the world on fire either in Impact as W. Morrissey. Truth is, he's a journeyman...he bounces around and gets looks because he's (nearly) 7 feet tall (and - as I've heard - you can't teach that). So since he is a bit of a vagabond, you can't really get too attached to any one particular name, so it's best to use the one he's going with now. If it needs to be changed later due to him finding a new home or whatever, than so be it. Vjmlhds (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

if he didn't set the world on fire as Morrissey, why did you change the name to W Morrissey? according to you, it was the common name. now,you are saying morrisey wasnt the common name. no, the point of common name is to not change the article to any new name he has.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 23:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eventually it stops being the common name - when a guy bounces around like Big Cass/W Morrissey/Big Bill has, and changes his name every place he goes, it's hard to have a "common name". When you get down to it the only "common name" he has is William Morrissey - his real name. When he left WWE, he left Big Cass there. When he left Impact, he left W Morrissey there. Should he leave AEW and leave Big Bill there, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Sometimes things just can't fit into to a nice neat little box where you can pin a Wiki policy to it. Life wasn't designed with adhering to Wikipedia in mind. Sometimes you just have to survey the situation and roll with it. Vjmlhds (talk) 04:01, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eventually, but with pro wrestlers, there is a change with every new name. Yes, wrestlers have a WP:COMMONNAME, even if they change a lot. If he changes the name again, the article would be changed again, so Big Bill is not the commonname. To be honest, I think Big Cass stills the common name. Most of the article is about his career in WWE and he spent most time as Big Cass in front of a larger audience. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 07:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We definitely need more eyes over here...otherwise it's just gonna be a stalemate Vjmlhds (talk) 13:51, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reviving discussion, being it's been over a year since the last formal RM, and he's now AEW Tag Team Champion as "Big Bill", it might be time to revisit the title of the article. Frankly, I think we should use his real name since both his current and previous ring names are version of his real name. Big Cass may remain his most recognized name in general, but he hasn't used that in years, and it's completely fictitious. This is one of those cases, like the guys back during the waning days of the territories where people would change gimmicks or ring names going from one territory to another, where just using the person's real name as the title makes sense. oknazevad (talk) 00:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem to discuss a name change. However... (talking about wrestling, not just this wrestler) " Big Cass may remain his most recognized name in general, but he hasn't used that in years" that's the point of WP:COMMONNAME. Even if he hasn't used Big Cass in years (or any wrestler) we have to use the most recognized name. "it's completely fictitious". Yes, as 90% of wrestling names. The wrestling name works as a stagename. Big Cass is fictitious, like Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, Kevin Owens or LA Knight. As I pointed many times, I have no problem with these moves, but the problem is we have the same discussion with every move. Wrestler works with WWE, we use the WWE name. Wrestler leaves WWE, we use his independent name- Wrestlers comes back to WWE, we change the name again. To be honest, I feel that WP:NAMECHANGES doesn't fit for wrestling. "Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. " change sometimes for quite often and the subject of an article for every wrestler. It's weird to see an actor, musician or boxer change their name, but in wrestling is very common. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:31, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]