Talk:David Hurley

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Wording dispute[edit]

Currently there appears to be a disagreement about some of wording in the article. To be honest, I don't really have much of an opinion, however, I do feel that in the interests of sorting this out a discussion should take place. As such, I invite editor "138.217.77.6" to discuss why they feel the wording is incorrect. The other parties in the disagreement are also invited to join the discussion. Once a consensus has been reached, if changes are agreed upon they should be made. Likewise, if there is no consensus for these changes, then they should not be made. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 09:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you AR. Yes it would be best if this were discussed before any further changes are made. The current wording is as follows:
"On 1 June 2011, it was announced that Hurley will be promoted to general and succeed Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston as the Chief of the Defence Force on 4 July 2011."
138.217.77.6 has changed it repeatedly to this, citing "policy" without actually stating which policy that is:
"On 1 June 2011, Hurley's promotion to general was announced. He is expected to succeed Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston as the Chief of the Defence Force on 4 July 2011."
Firstly my primary concern with the proposed rewording is that it is gramatically incorrect. Specificially "On 1 June 2011, Hurley's promotion to general was announced." This implies that he has already been promoted, which is incorrect. He will be promoted when he takes over as CDF on 4 July 2011. IMO the current wording is more clear in this regard.
Secondly I fail to understand 138.217.77.6 concern about "predicting the future". The current wording merely says that his future promotion to general and appointment as CDF was announced on 1 June. This is an established fact (i.e that it was announced), which is supported with a reliable reference. Of course if, for whatever reason, this promotion and appointment does not occur then the article can be amended at that point. In no way does the current wording say that his promotion to general and appointment as CDF has already occurred (which would of course be predicting the future).
Unfortunately I will be away for the next two weeks with work so will not be able to take any further part in this discussion. Anotherclown (talk) 10:17, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Anotherclown has summarised my opinions better than I could have. (Thanks Ac.)
By-the-way, (and independently from considerations of grammar), the statement: "On 1 June 2011, Hurley's promotion to general was announced" is not accurate. (As Ac has said), his promotion was not announced. What was announced was that he will be promoted. (Similar problems of inaccuracy exist with the IP's second sentence.) Pdfpdf (talk) 12:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Anotherclown and Pdfpdf, your arguments seem well reasoned to me. I would like to hear from 138.217.77.6, though, too, so please feel free to add the reasons for your edits here. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 12:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Seventh Ribbon[edit]

Since 1 March 2012, official photos of Hurley show him wearing seven ribbons. There has been no Australian press release regarding this new ribbon. The following "conversation", copied from a user's talk page, explains the situation.

Hey. I was surfing the net and found this article [1], now in it is a picture of Davud Hurley with a mysterious 7th ribbon. Usually when the CDF gets a medal its noted in the defence media releases and it wasnt. The ribbon appears to be red which suggests Legion of Honour (France) and I cant find any article on him receiving a foreign medal, have you heard anything? Nford24 (Talk) 12:40, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

You may find a photograph on the ADF photo search, search for "David Hurley" and you should be able to view the high res version. Bidgee (talk) 12:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it's strange that it hasn't been audibly / visibly broadcast. No, I haven't seen anything in the media releases, or heard anything, either.[2] Yes it could be Officer of the Legion of Honour. I'll do some ratting around. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Not wearing it in pictures taken 29 Feb 2012. Is wearing it in pictures taken 1 March 2012. But, of course, that doesn't tell us when he was awarded it. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:39, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
I've emailed the Navy's public affairs office for the exact award and the date of the award. should be interesting. Nford24 (Talk) 14:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
I got a reply from the office...unless it's top secret or something they don't seem to want to talk about it LOL. Nford24 (Talk) 22:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Strange! I'll see if I can track down his XO (or PA). Pdfpdf (talk) 22:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Moments ago the Navy's public office confirmed that the CDF has been awarded the 'Officer of the Legion of Honour' by the French Government. [3] Nford24 (Talk) 23:59, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
The CDF's office has also just confirmed it as well. Nford24 (Talk) 00:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Apparently, CDF doesn't have an XO - he has a Chief of Staff. I talked to GPCAPT Meredith this afternoon, (charming man), and he confirmed that:
  • yes, it is Officer of the (French) Legion of Honour;
  • it was presented to Hurley when he was in Paris in late January by the French CDF;
  • no, there haven't been any Australian press releases;
  • no, there haven't been any photos - there was no Australian photographer present, and the French haven't released any photos to the Australian Department of Defence;
  • no, it is unlikely that there will be an Australian press release - the presentation was some time ago now, and there seem to be quite a number of higher profile matters around at the moment.
That led me to http://www.defense.gouv.fr/ema/le-chef-d-etat-major/l-actualite-du-cema/cema-visite-du-general-hurley-cema-australien/%28language%29/fre-FR#SearchText=General%20Hurley#xtcr=1 (in French), for which you seem to have found an English version at http://www.ambafrance-au.org/spip.php?article4584&fb_source=message.
Subsequently I saw that you have already updated the David Hurley page.
It seems that you have managed to sort it all out without my help. Good work. Thanks. Pdfpdf (talk) 11:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Lead picture[edit]

The current picture doesn't seem like a great choice. It isn't clear which person actually IS David Hurley, and Hurley is facing away from the camera, while the other person is facing towards it. A bit confusing. Could we get a front on picture of just him? RetroLord 09:46, 13 March 2013 (UTC)