Talk:Duke of Grafton
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Quoting from Bernard Falk's The Royal Fitz Roys: Dukes of Grafton through Four Centuries (Hutchinson, 1950), page 7: "The Dukes of Grafton write their family name as two words, Fitz Roy, and this style has been followed throughout the book. It distinguishes them from those other descendants of Charles II, mentioned in the course of the narrative, who were privileged to call themselves 'FitzRoy'."
Frankly, I don't feel like changing all those article headings, but someone needs to, I think. -----Michael K. Smith 14:07, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- If they once did, they don't seem to do it any more. Burke's says: THE 11TH DUKE OF GRAFTON in the Co of Northampton, Earl of Euston, Viscount Ipswich and Baron Sudbury of Sudbury (Sir Hugh Denis Charles FitzRoy, KG (1976), DL (Suffolk 1973)) [His Grace The Duke of Grafton KG DL, Euston Hall, Thetford, Norfolk IP24 2QW] (my emphasis), and Cracroft's (which is even more reliable than Burke's) calls them all "FitzRoy". Proteus (Talk) 15:07, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the section entitled "Grafton", which contained the following text:
- Most Dukedoms in Britain are named for significant places such as counties, cities or major towns. Most Britons would, however, find it difficult to locate Grafton on a map of the kingdom. The title is that of the Honour of Grafton in the south east of Northamptonshire; the titular village now being called Grafton Regis.
The first sentence simply isn't true - while some Dukedoms do indeed refer to significant places (Norfolk, Somerset, Manchester, Edinburgh, etc.), many don't. Richmond (Yorkshire), Wellington (Somerset), Brandon (Suffolk) and Marlborough (Wiltshire) are all small towns, Abercorn (West Lothian) is a village, Buccleuch (Selkirkshire) is only a hamlet, and some titles (Beaufort, Hamilton, Lennox, Gordon) don't refer to places at all but to families. The section is trying to make a big point out of something that isn't that unusual. I have therefore replaced it with, as is usual, a short note in the opening stating the source of the title. Proteus (Talk) 20:46, 11 April 2011 (UTC)