Talk:Frank Murphy

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Sexual orientation[edit]

He's listed under the category of Gay politicians, yet there is no mention of his sexual orientation in his biography. If he is indeed gay, it should be noted in his biography, with footnoted reference(s) documenting this.

There isn't historical documentation that he was gay and I have removed gay innuendo from his bio in the past. He was known to have an active dating life in both Detroit and Washington. See Arc of Justice by Kevin Boyle, which is actually an item of historical research rather than rumor. I have removed the "gay politician tag". I also removed the direct quote from the Straight Dope. The article doesn't reference historical scholarship regarding drug use. It's true that he was hospitalized while on the court, but he died while serving on the court due to heart problems. Tlwiki 15:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC) Tlwki

FWI, here is a link to "Closet Case"

"Closet Case" and it is also discussed in this article: Bak, Richard , "(Frank) Murphy's Law", Hour Detroit, September, 2008. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)Stan

I think if we are going to put this in the article, Biographer Sidney Fine and historian Kevin Boyle are contrary sources. I would think it is a disputed subject and conclusion, which should be presented in a balanced way. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:34, 6 May 2009 (UTC) Stan

The article downplays the role Edward G. Kemp played in his life. Kemp and Murphy met in law school. They became life-long friends and companions. Kemp went with Murphy to the Phillipines. Kemp was his assistant when he was the governor of Michigan. Kemp and Murphy started a law practice together in Detroit. Kemp was Murphy's assistant when he was Attorney General of the US. The article also has lots of heterosexual innuendo that should be removed. Ydorb (talk) 17:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Kemp was there.
However, the exact nature of their relationship is unknown. The questIon is controversial. Neither biographers Fine nor Boyle conclude that Murphy was homosexual. He was engaged to a woman at the time or his death. The article rather nicely deals with the question, although not purporting to resolve it. That you find it to have "heterosexual' innuendo is to be contrasted with earlier questions implying that it should not mention homosexuality.
FWIW, I don't see why both views can't be expressed (with proper references, and the readers can decide. In passing, you might want to take a look at the Hour Detroit article, which forthrightly discusses this on both sides of the issue. I don't think it is an encyclopedia's place to hide or prejudge the issue, one way or another. If we want to put in both sides, I say go for it. A fuller exposition on both sides of the question might be the way to go. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC) Stan

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BetacommandBot (talk) 09:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Flag and seal of Michigan seem appropriate here.[edit]

Can somebody put those in, and satisfy the wiki police that those images are in the public domain? This article certainly warrants it. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)Stan

Frank Murphy birth chart (astrological stuff)[edit]

Here's something to puzzle over. It is offered for entertainment purposes only. Frank Murphy birth chart. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC) Stan

Pictures needed[edit]

This article could benefit from some pictures. These could include the official Supreme Court portrait (assuming that there is not a copyright problem, since it is a publicly paid for work) which can be found at Oyez: U.S. Supreme Court media on Frank Murphy. It could include the Milles "Hand of God" statue. It could include pictures of his home and office, of the historical markers. This is just to name a few possibilities. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC) Stan

Bot-created subpage[edit]

A temporary subpage at User:Polbot/fjc/Frank Murphy was automatically created by a perl script, based on this article at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. The subpage should either be merged into this article, or moved and disambiguated. Polbot (talk) 16:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

All of the data, including the links and references, have been pulled into the main article. IMHO, it should be merged, as it is redundant. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC) Stan

Expansion needed[edit]

  • "While being outwardly aggressive as Attorney General, the internal administrative accomplishments of Murphy's administration are reportedly mixed. He brought his Michigan political team with him to the Department of Justice, which demoralized professionals in the Department of Justice."

This paragraph is a mystery. Were the Michigan guys that bad? :P

I know that he only accepted aides from his alma mater but why would they have such an effect on the DOJ?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 15:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Problem with an archive url[edit]

tml "50 essential Michigan History books" Check |archiveurl= value (help). Michigan Department of History, Arts and Libraries. Archived from the original on 2011-09-10. Retrieved September 25, 2011.  Can somebody help, please? Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 15:00, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm confused and not sure what you are attempting to link (but then, I'm on cold medicine and my focus is a bit foggy, so easy to lose me at the moment) ... can you walk me through it? --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 21:48, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Now the archive URL is working. It wasn't before. I would get the equivalent of a disambiguation (forwarding) page. It's a mystery to me. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen () 00:58, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

See Also section[edit]

It's out of control in this article. I count over 30 links. The article on Chief Justice Earl Warren has a 1/3 of that. So I'm going to trim it down. Not every person and case with a connection to Murphy needs a link.- William 14:36, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Even further proof of how the See Also section is overkill, look at the sections for William Rehnquist, John Marshall. Not everything with a connection to Murphy or any justice gets a link.- William 18:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
(I was asked to comment here by William). I would agree. 7&6, could you please expand upon the reason why you disagree. NW (Talk) 19:24, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
To begin, it has been this way for at least two years, and nobody has raised a peep. There have been a lot of intervening edits. The article goes through various iterations, some of which frankly are appallingly under developed. There is nothing in this concerning labor policy. Somebody decided that his introduction of the word "racism" into the lexicon of the Supreme Court was not important. I gave up on this article a while ago. I think these add to the usefulness of the article and do no harm. I would suggest that if Earl Warren has 1/3 of that number, it doesn't make it the standards. In fact, the standard is the status quo ante. But I am not in the disposition to parse through every link and debate it. At a minimum, if somebody is going to remove links it should be done retail, after looking at the link and considering whether it should be in the article somewhere else, and not wholesale as Mr. William did based upon his a priori rules. Good luck. 7&6=thirteen () 20:28, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

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