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Samsonite Man (talk) 20:33, 23 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Covers for Inferno & Bluelight versions?

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Is there enough commentary about the Inferno and Bluelight versions of the song in the article for them to be added?

Here are them, for reference:

Inferno Version Bluelight Version

Sc135 (talk) 20:08, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

✗ Not done, as they're the same cover just colored differently. The image is not significantly different. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 23:17, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Should "Out of My Mind" be linked to this article

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Does this song need to have Nicki Minaj's chronology added on to the article as Nicki Minaj's latest single she appeared on is "Out of My Mind". If you go to the "Out of My Mind" page, there is a link to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleventhblock (talk • contribs) 22:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

✗ Not done, I've removed the link from Out of My Mind. The main single of "Girl on Fire" does NOT feature minaj. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 23:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2012

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 09:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Girl on Fire (Alicia Keys song) → Girl on Fire (song) – The current page Girl on fire contains references to a song by Alicia Keys, an album by Alicia Keys and a song by Rob Zombie which redirects to parent page Past, Present & Future. Its my belief that per our naming conventions the Alicia Keys song is the most notable of the two songs considering the other is a redirect. Thus is makes sense that it is located at Girl on Fire (song) with a hatnote for the Rob Zombie song. I think its self explainatory that people looking for the album will go to Girl on Fire (album). — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 00:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC does not apply to titles with disambiguators because almost no one will actually type "Girl on Fire (song)" as a search term. They will type "Girl on Fire", go to the current disambiguation page and choose the song from the list. The disambiguator "(Alicia Keys song)" will make the correct choice much easier than the ambiguous "(song)". There was a similar request recently at Talk:Loud (Rihanna_album). —  AjaxSmack  06:55, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only other song of the same name redirects to an album page. Per the principles of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC it doesn't make logical sense for Girl on Fire (song) to exist as a redirect to Girl on Fire when there is only two songs of that name, one of which isn't notable. Aslo AjaxSmack, by your own admission people searching for the song would only be looking for Alicia Keys song or the Rob Zombie one. Since the latter is not notable and redirects to the album why should Girl on Fire (song) REDIRECT to Girl on Fire? Surely it makes sense to have the most notable of the song's listed at 'Girl on Fire (song)' with the other having a hate note. Not the same as Loud because there are multiple subjects under Loud album. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 14:52, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • You assert that the Zombie song is non-notable but that has not been established. If it is not notable, it should not be listed on the DAB page and, if it is not, then you are correct that a move is warranted. —  AjaxSmack  03:59, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldnt "on" be capitalized? The phrase "on fire" is idiomatic, and "on" isnt a preposition in this case. Otherwise, I support moving this to "(song)". The redirect to Past, Present & Future doesnt make sense. Nothing in that article about the song people would supposedely be looking for. And there are plenty other topics that people might search for and not find because they are not notable enough to have their own pages. I'm not sure people will or will not type "Girl on Fire (song)", but a list pops up as you are typing in the search box, so they might choose from what's there. Dan56 (talk) 21:25, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think "on" should be capitalized here. While "on fire" is idiomatic, the word does work as a preposition in that context. There are cases where "on" works as an adverb and not a preposition (go on, move on, etc), but this isn't one of those cases. Jafeluv (talk) 22:33, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Still support the original requested move then. Dan56 (talk) 23:17, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Since this move is being linked to in another RM

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Worth noting here that this comment of AjaxSmack's was not negated by the fact that Girl on Fire (Rob Zombie song) is only mentioned on Past, Present & Future album article:

WP:PRIMARYTOPIC does not apply to titles with disambiguators because almost no one will actually type "Girl on Fire (song)" as a search term.

In ictu oculi (talk) 01:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox to feature Nicki Minaj

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Since Alicia put the Inferno remix in the album, and the "main" version is a Japanese bonus track, I think the infobox should contain featuring Nicki Minaj. What others think? — Tomíca(T2ME) 10:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It is the main single version even though it is a "remix". Arre 12:04, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree, Alicia Keys announced "Girl on Fire" was the single, Nicki Minaj features on one remix of the song. In some territories like the UK radio mainly plays the version sans Minaj. Also both versions were released in the US. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 14:43, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Then Girl on Fire should be removed from the infobox, since the song is not on the album. It turned out that the Inferno version is now main (although I don't like it). — Tomíca(T2ME) 15:36, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This idea of the song being released needing to exactly match the version on the album is silly. There's absolutely no policy or editorial guideline as to why that is correct. If you start using that logic then songs which appear on deluxe edition of albums should have the album removed from their infoboxes because they're "Bonus Tracks" on an alternative version of an album. The issue of whether or not to include Minaj is clutching at straw tbh. Its hardly Earth-shattering either way. E.g. When Katy Perry first released "E.T." with Kanye West, we didn't remove Teenage Dream from the infobox just because the version with West didn't appear on the first release of the album. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 15:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
By your logic we should add Talk That Talk here and here. But think about it, is it logical to add it? Of course not, because the song as a remix was never part of the parent album (the interlude and the single version are part of it as you can see in the upper infobox). And if we didn't remove Teenage Dream then, doesn't mean we can't do it now. — Tomíca(T2ME) 15:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I personally feel the 'Inferno remix' should be in the info-box, considering it says 'from the album Girl on Fire', which the main version is not apart from a Japanese deluxe edition according to the parent album's article. Arre 15:56, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Same. Or eventually to remove the album from the infobox and then the main version can stay in the infobox. — Tomíca(T2ME) 15:58, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You missed my point. "Cockiness (I Love It)" and "Birthday Cake" don't feature on any addition of the album, therefore the exclusion of the parent album from their original versions and infoboxes are correct. All versions of "Girl on Fire" feature a version of the album. In the case of "Girl on Fire" I think its been treated correctly. While the remix got more notoriety the original version was still released and there was a music video as well as radio airplay. Different versions were released for different formats. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 16:00, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the Inferno version has its video too. See, I don't like Minaj at all, I hate her, but the fact that Alicia gives more attention the remix, tells itself that that's the version should be in the infobox. Let other editors express their opinion too. — Tomíca(T2ME) 16:02, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
others are expressing their opinion. I'm simply trying to point out that Keys recorded Girl on Fire, and then two alternative versions releasing all three to various formats. I really don't understand why this is such a huge issue. If im going to be outnumbered i'd rather Minaj was added to the infobox rather than removing the album but I think we should see what others think. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 16:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My first thought was yes as that is how it shows on the album, but then realized NO, because we still call remixes that are not on an album as singles from the album. Also articles are about songs in total so all versions are to be discussed on the song's page. If the article title specifies a featured artist, then that artist should be in all or most versions of the song, not just one (sans Instrumental).
This is what really cinched it for me, though. I thought about 'old school' days in which there was only an 'album version' and a 'single version' of the song. Even though the 'single version' doesn't appear on the album, we still call the song as a single from the album.—Iknow23 (talk) 10:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
How we call the song a single from the album where in fact that song doesn't appear on the standard track listing and is bonus track in Japan (only one territory/country in the world)? Even though they planned the solo version as original obviously the management re-thought and decided to put the Inferno remix on the standard album, meaning implicitly it became the main version. — Tomíca(T2ME) 10:59, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is the song that is the single. Yep, it definitely is confusing with all the different song remixes and versions of albums. As long as a song (remix or entirely new song) is attached to any version of an album (even only in one country) it is part of the album, even if not for you or I. If it is sent to 'radio' (as a single) or released as CD single or digital download (separate from the album) then it is a single from the album if only in that one country. Just like 'release date'...Per Template:Infobox album#Release "Only the earliest known date that the album was released should be specified; later release dates (incl. re-issues) can be mentioned in a Release history section." We don't just put the release date for the artist's home country or for the majority of the world. We put the earliest if even it's just one country.—Iknow23 (talk) 11:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You are missing my point here; the question is not which version is released first, because if we are talking about that both versions were released on the same that. The question here is what are we should do with the infobox, we have 2 options, to add Nicki Minaj in the infobox as featured artist and add "Inferno version" or remove the album (Girl on Fire). That's very reasonable according to me. — Tomíca(T2ME) 11:30, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I was answering your point about only one country. It still matters, even if only one country as wikipedia is worldwide. The article is about the song in total so my position is to leave it as is @ 'Single by Alicia Keys from the album Girl on Fire'.—Iknow23 (talk) 11:39, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, since the article is about the song in total and not just the chosen one and infobox is a summary...Most versions of the song do not feat. Nicki Minaj, so adding her to the infobox would be an inaccurate summary. It would also make her on the song to be the 'default setting' so then in the track listing section it would have to be specified (without Nicki Minaj) on the versions without her (sans Instrumental).—Iknow23 (talk) 12:23, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Basically all the charts list the Inferno version (featuring Nicki Minaj) as version that charted. Check the sources. — Tomíca(T2ME) 12:26, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the artist field should remain as just "Alicia Keys" but then Minaj's chronology be added to the main infobox? Or we'll rearrange the article to include a second infobox for the Minaj remix? both infoboxes being singles as both versions were released. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 00:14, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rolling Stone review

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Requested move 2013

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The result of the move request was: page not moved. Tyrol5 [Talk] 23:42, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Girl on Fire (song) → Girl on Fire – As suggested here. Status 03:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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"Girl on Fire" to "Girl On Fire"

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Why is "on" not capitalized here? As it functions in the sentence, the word "on" is not a preposition, but part of the phrasal verb "on fire", which would mean that it should be capitalized, according to convention. For similar uses, see "Hold On to the Nights" (with "Hold On" functioning as the phrasal verb), "Walk On By (Burt Bacharach and Hal David song)" ("Walk On") "Shut Up and Drive (Rihanna song)" ("Shut Up"). Thoughts?

PS: WP:MOS states

The following words should be capitalized: 

   The first and last word of the title
   Every adjective, adverb, noun, pronoun and subordinating conjunction (Me, It, His, If, etc.)
   Every verb, including forms of to be (Be, Am, Is, Are, Was, Were, Been)
   Prepositions that contain five letters or more (During, Through, About, Until, etc.)
   Words that have the same form as prepositions, but are not being used specifically as prepositions
       Particles of phrasal verbs (e.g. "Give Up the Ghost", "Walk On")
       The first word in a compound preposition (e.g. "Time Out of Mind", "Get Off of My Cloud").  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.142.118 (talk) 05:02, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How to treat remixes

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Please take part in the above discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs#What is the Correct Way to Treat Remixes? 17:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Boy Is a Bottom

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Boy Is a Bottom is a relatively un-detailed article. Although WP:NSONGS does state that coverage from reliable third party sources is required as is a chart position (both are present here) the resulting article is a stub and made of tiny sections. Would this not better serve as a single subsection of "Girl on Fire", the song that this is a parody of? → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 15:52, 21 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, because it isn't a true cover. Much like Weird Al songs being given separate articles than the song they parody. The song has charted. The article just needs expansion. Burnberrytree (talk) 05:08, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WP:Other stuff exists is not a suitable reason for "Boy Is a Bottom" being kept. Unless a detailed article can be created I would highly advocate a merge to "Girl on Fire". → Lil-℧niquԐ 1 - { Talk } - 15:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"OTS" is an essay not a P&G. It charted, it is a parody but independent of GoF. Keep separated. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 20:11, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cartoons in music video

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There were a few cartoons near the end of the music video, with a bunny pulling out a carrot, and characters coming out of a kangaroo's pouch. Does any know what is the name of those cartoons? Defender miz (talk) 18:43, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Should it be noted that originally Leon Carr and Earl Shuman were not given credit for writing the song even though it contained part of their song "Hey There Lonely Boy" and Earl Shuman sued for copyright infringement? http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/hollywood-docket-alicia-keys-settles-443012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.168.27.6 (talk) 23:13, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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