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Split proposal

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Could we please split the discography section into its own article, and then we can resolve any further disputes there? I think there's enough content there to not only warrant its own article, but also be separate from the screen and stage article. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 13:43, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@4TheWynne: Please tell me regarding the Hugh Jackman Discography dispute, how I am the one making the change?. If you look in the edit history you'll find that I'm reverting it back to the original which is where it should say until a discussion has been concluded. Mn1548 (talk) 05:33, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No need to ping me, as I am watching this page. As the person who added the entire section, if someone reverts you in whole or in part, that's WP:BRD. If you weren't already, you're now getting into edit warring territory. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 05:44, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
According to WP:BRD because I am reverting it back to the original I am in the right and any discussion should occur with the original table still on the page. I am still waiting for a proper discussion from the person who wants the change to be made and until he/she is willing to partake in one, the table will and should remain in its original form until the discussion is concluded. Mn1548 (talk) 06:20, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
alternate proposal

We could rename Hugh Jackman on screen and stage to List of Hugh Jackman performances and move the discography section to that page. --Krimuk2.0 (talk) 18:43, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Having said that, it's not necessary to have such a detailed discography section for an actor's page. Jackman is not a professional singer, and neither is Michelle Williams (in context to this addition to her page). Hence, something similar to the discography section in Amy Adams' page would be more suitable in both cases. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 18:45, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Krimuk2.0: Hugh Jackman is a professional singer. Michelle Williams, Nicole Kidman etc cases are totally different. They are not professional singers they just appeared on the soundtrack but singing is part of Jackman's career, he's had concerts around the world. CerberaOdollam (talk) 14:39, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see. In that case a split might be warranted if the list of songs is significant enough. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 16:22, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think that just mentioning the albums where the actor has been accredited is enough. The rest of the information can be found in their respective articles, such as the positions in the lists, the production and the rest. Last year I proposed this here, and there was consensus on the part of the most active editors of that article.--Philip J FryTalk 17:07, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think if the list of songs is significant enough then a split is warranted. A similar thing needs to occur with Zac Efron as like Jackman, singing is a significant part of his career. Mn1548 (talk) 12:40, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Split: There is enough content and although listed as a singer I think Jackman is far more notable for his international acting career, at this point anyway, and a split could prevent a lowering of the article's classification. Otr500 (talk) 14:18, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don’t split All of these performances are for characters... not an actual recording artist career. These are not his albums, they’re movie soundtracks. Doesn’t make sense.Trillfendi (talk) 17:44, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2018

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Could an online citation please be added to footnote Jackman's birthdate, in addition to the offline citation? It would make it easier for most users than having to find a library to look up a back issue of EW. For example: {{cite web|url=https://www.biography.com/people/hugh-jackman-16599916| title=Hugh Jackman: Producer, Actor, Film Actor (1968–)| website=''[[Biography.com]]''| publisher=[[A&E Networks]]}}. --2604:2000:1382:C5DD:C068:CE9D:D43F:C9C (talk) 14:06, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done programmingGeek(talk, contribs) 16:34, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2019

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Add more content to the section titled "Charity Work" to include Jackman's work with Laughing Man Coffee, a foundation that supports coffee farming communities by investing in programs that clear the way to health, growth, and success for coffee farmers and their families.

In 2009, Hugh Jackman traveled to Ethiopia to visit a community development project and met a young coffee farmer named Dukale, working to lift his family out of poverty. Inspired by Dukale’s story, Jackman launched Laughing Man Coffee in 2011 to provide a marketplace for farmers in developing countries to sell their goods to consumers in the U.S. As part of his ongoing commitment, Hugh contributes 100% of his profits to the Laughing Man Foundation, which he created to support educational programs, community development and social entrepreneurs around the world.[1] MarkSebarrotin (talk) 21:44, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done NiciVampireHeart 16:58, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Laughing Man Coffee". Laughing Man Coffee. Retrieved Feb. 21, 2019. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2020

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Hugh Jackman is also the CEO of laughing man coffee 2.55.188.225 (talk) 12:46, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBriTalk 16:13, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RFC about listing singer in lead sentence

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The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Consensus was reached to not include the mention of singer in first sentence, but inclusion in the lead is fine. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should singer be included in the lead sentence? JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 18:51, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Include He has sung in many films and stage shows and even won a Grammy award for singing on The Greatest Showman (soundtrack). The biggest evidence of his notability as a singer though, is that he has had many concerts, including a world tour. He clearly is notable as a singer and the lead should reflect that. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 18:54, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't Include. (Summoned by bot) This may be fine to acknowledge in the lead, but not in the first sentence. The evidence for inclusion seems to be largely based on OR. The fact that he had some singing roles in a couple of films does not automatically make him notable as a singer. Even winning a Grammy for best Compilation Soundtrack for Visual Media does not automatically make someone a notable singer. Sources have to consistently refer to him as a singer before we can. I see a bevy of sources that refer to him as an actor (and sometimes as a performer or producer) but I'm struggling to find sources don't refer to him as a singer. If a healthy number of sources can be produced, then I'm willing to change my !vote. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:16, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Include He has performed in various venues, Broadway, films, etc. His latest Grammy award for singing in The Greatest Showman (soundtrack) is recent and relevant to this topic. For these reasons, I believe that the lead should include "singer". Jurisdicta m Talk
  • Don't Include. per logic of Dr.Swag Lord, he simply isn't referred to as such. The limited coverage appears to sometimes refer to him as a performer in musicals, rather than a singer and deserves mention as such in the lead, but not in sentence one as a 'singer'. Pincrete (talk) 05:46, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lead yes, lead sentence no. per above. — Ched (talk) 18:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Include. He is known for his singing performances in musicals on Broadway and worldwide (and in films) and in his own concerts (like Carnegie Hall) and concert tours. He is definitely an "actor and singer". -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:33, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Exclude Not supported by WP:RS. Even if he "sings" on stage or film, he is moreso an actor. ~ HAL333 00:52, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't include - Per above, not enough sources referring to him as a singer to warrant inclusion. Don't have a problem with the lede mentioning his tours or whatever. PraiseVivec (talk) 15:07, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Exclude He is an actor who can sing and does so on acting roles that require it. He doesn't have a notable singing career that is independent of his acting career. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I did a quick search for citations on your points and came to a different conclusion. Here are a five citations that are different than your assertion that he doesn't have a notable singing career independent of his acting:
1. Playbill: https://www.playbill.com/article/why-hugh-jackman-hated-his-own-voice-until-the-greatest-showman
2. Playbill: https://www.playbill.com/article/how-broadways-most-in-demand-vocal-coach-kept-ben-platt-neil-patrick-harris-and-more-healthy
3. Variety: https://variety.com/2017/film/features/hugh-jackman-the-greatest-showman-logan-1202629864/
4. New York Vulture: https://www.vulture.com/2012/12/hugh-jackman-on-les-miz-and-his-javert-past.html
5. Express (UK) https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/905671/The-Greatest-Showman-Hugh-Jackman-Michelle-Williams-really-sing-dance.
While this is not the most important topic in the world, I believe his career in musical theatre, which spans over a couple of decades, is sufficient to be notable and belong in the lead. And I believe there are enough citations to support it. Cheers, Pistongrinder (talk) 20:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Exclude as per Geraldo Perez – YA example of "resume bloat" in the lede on Wikipedia. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:03, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Exclude Regardless of his musical performances, he is recognized as an actor. There are no reliable sources describing him as a singer. Sea Ane (talk) 05:23, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose needs no further explanation. Ridiculous RFC ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 00:49, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Exclude, but the lead should also mention that he is notable for his musical performances within his acting roles. Responding to Ssilvers, his broadway and world tour are directly an inextricably related to his being an actor, specifically for acting in "The Greatest Showman". His singing IS relevant to the lead, and should absolutely be included, but he is an actor who sings, or a singing actor, not an actor and singer as two separate items. Fieari (talk) 01:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Include. I just re-read his Wikipedia article, and his many singing performances are scattered throughout it. An actor can't play Jean Valjean from Les Mis, PT Barnum in The Greatest Showman, Harold Hill in The Music Man on Broadway without being recognized as a top actor AND singer. He won a Grammy for his musical performance. He has performed extensively on Broadway, such as Broadway to Oz, in 2015 and Hugh Jackman: Back on Broadway in 2011-2012. More recently, he went on an 88 city tour to perform songs in The Man. The Music. The Show. in 2019. He began his career in musical theatre by playing Curly in a 1998 production of Oklahoma! He sings extensively in the a few of the movies where he stars, and he sings on the world's stages. There are plenty of sources that reference Jackman's singing, and here is one that discusses Jackman's voice and ongoing performances: https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/can-hugh-jackman-sing/ That is the very definition of a successful singer, which is why I encourage consensus to add this title to the lead. Pistongrinder (talk) 21:47, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Longest marvel superhero record

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Hi I think someone needs to remove the longest marvel superhero record part on Mr Jackmans wiki, as I believe that Tobey M and William D broke that last year in Spiderman NWH. I know that some people may say that he might be Wolverine in the upcoming Dr Strange film but there is no confirmation of that, and until there is (or isn't) then I think this should be removed. My thanks.

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2022

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is an Australian actor with Greek ancestry. 2A02:214C:8638:3700:619C:DF11:CA3A:6BF4 (talk) 23:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: We don't generally include ancestral history in the opening sentence of the lead. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:48, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Height

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He was never 6'3. Hugh himself claimed to be 6'2 tall. 2804:1810:E779:D200:1C9C:31F8:F737:A881 (talk) 18:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2023 (2)

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Please Change His parents divorced when he was eight, and Jackman remained in Australia with his father and two brothers, while his mother moved back to England with Jackman's two sisters (above is not true! hugh jackman parent didn't divorvce when he was 8, the mother left and went back to england without saying good bye. She never returned to australia, Later the mother remarry and has 2 daughter

to

(copyright violation removed)

Yvonnewong96 (talk) 04:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: This would be a copyright violation of this article. Additionally, it's not clear what part you believe to be false – the article you copied this from seems to support what is already there, no? Tollens (talk) 04:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Singer in the lead revisited

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In the past, there was a consensus to not include singer in the lead as an occupation, but considering that's he's doing a monthly residency at Radio City Music Hall [1], I think that the discussion should be revisited. He is far more than just an actor who sings in some of his roles. He is doing extremely significant work exclusively as a singer. I'm not sure what other bar he can clear to be considered a singer. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 03:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: Jackman has starred on Broadway and elsewhere in musicals (The Boy from Oz (Tony Award) and recently The Music Man), made musical films and TV shows (Les Miserables (Oscar nomination and Golden Globe win), The Greatest Showman, Oklahoma! (Olivier nomination)), and sung extensively in concert and in his own concert tours. He won an Emmy Award as the singing host of the 58th Tony Awards. He would easily be notable for his singing alone. I would add "singer" to his lead sentence. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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