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Alt-right use of "JQ"

I added a sentence about contemporary use of the shorthand JQ by the alt-right (antisemitic white nationalists). I don't know whether this is considered inappropriate for an article about the historical use of the term, but it seemed relevant. 64.134.233.55 (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the grouping together of anti-semitism, white nationalism and the alt-right is productive, appropriate or factually accurate. I'll be making a related edit to this section in 48(+) hours unless the talk page convinces me not to (or gets me banned, why not).

Am I missing something or is the alt-right comprised of a large majority of non-Nazi's? And what definition of white nationalism are we talking about, what definition of anti-semitism? Do I use the "official" definition on Wikipedia, and what do I do if the articles describe various meanings/interpretations of those terms? Those terms have a seriously negative and I'd say destructive connotation and seeing how

I would suggest to at least change this to "the alt-right" (because it includes a lot of people, some of whom are Neo-Nazi's, white-nationalists, white-supremacists, supporters of white ethno-state but those groups which are definitely not PC are a small minority taken-together, ), or "the alt-right and white nationalists", however I also don't think that's quite accurate, because most content I have encountered related to "the JQ" (I looked it up, not "all of it" of course, could we actually index "all of it" or come close pragmatically?) was related to Zionism which AFAIK is mainly a political movement (although I'm under the impression that there are some Luciferian crossovers), and the commentators I've seen made the impression that they were not anti-semitic but anti-Zionist (the one being grounded in "bigotry" (in-group preference?) and the other in historical "manifest actions" and ideas, which to me seem like reasonable causes to dislike or not want to support a group of people (just like "those who hate blacks because they're not white" - note that I have not reached anything close to a conclusion on the IQ/intelligence/cognitive ability issue).

Does it make me a white nationalist if I'm skeptic of replacement migration, because I value the genes I have on the whole, have doubts about the motives of those who implement these policies and can't as of yet oversee the impact on both "Western cultural norms" and the human race? I believe in the good side of "black pride" in the same way I believe in the good side of "white pride"; I think it's good for people to enjoy their lives, no matter the way they have been shaped by genetics and their environment. I'm of above average intelligence and that might not have anything to do with my race, the "scientific information"/"alt-right propaganda" I've encountered suggests it does have a relation to my genetics and I tend to take that side, but that doesn't mean I hate other races, or even low-IQ people of all races (I still have to read the "great works" on eugenics and their criticsisms). StupidStudios (talk) 00:00, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read the first paragraph of alt-right? It clearly states that people who call themselves "alt-right" are white supremacists and/or neo-Nazis. If you have some really compelling evidence otherwise, the talk page for the alt-right article would probably be a better venue to discuss this. --ChiveFungi (talk) 00:42, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. I'm the IP who created this section. When I originally added the mention of the shorthand back in May, I just used the term "the alt-right". It was only changed to "the Neo-Nazi alt-right" a few days ago. In my experience the term is predominantly used by antisemitic members of the alt-right, which does include neo-Nazis and antisemitic white nationalists, and less so by moderate alt-liters. Again, in my experience (which may not be representative but I think it is), "JQ" is generally used to refer to a Jewish conspiracy against white people, and when asked to provide sources for the alleged conspriacy you will get references to the Culture of Critique series. Sometimes antisemitic white nationalists (or ~neo-Nazis) will complain that less antisemitic white nationalists (e.g., Jared Taylor) are too soft on the JQ, meaning that they don't acknowledge the Jewish white genocide conspiracy theory. Anti-Zionism is sort of related, but I think many of the people who push these ideas are antisemitic in general. Regardless, we have to go by what reliable sources say, so please include some if you would like to change the wording. GojiBarry (talk) 16:45, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Tadpolegaming: Could you explain your objection to the current wording? GojiBarry (talk) 04:06, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the grouping together of anti-semitism, white nationalism and the alt-right is productive, appropriate or factually accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tadpolegaming (talk • contribs) 17:15, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Tadpolegaming: The original wording when I added it was simply "alt-right". Then it was changed to "Neo-Nazi alt-right". I changed it to "white nationalists, members of the alt-right, and neo-Nazis" after the above discussion because 1) It's consistent with the source which uses all of these terms. 2) The previous version implied that all members of the alt-right are neo-Nazis, which is false (e.g., Jared Taylor isn't one).

Personally, I'd be fine with just leaving it at "alt-right" and letting people read the alt-right article if they want a detailed explanation of what the term encompasses. But maybe AusLondonder and ChiveFungi would disagree.

If you would like it changed, could you please propose an alternative wording and give some sources to back it up? GojiBarry (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 August 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 (talk) 05:28, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish question → Jewish Question – During the late 19th and early 20th centuries -- and even earlier -- the European question "What do we do about the Jews among us?" had become so extensively discussed that it had been reified into an entity, the "Jewish Question". Perhaps somewhat under the influence of German (although discussed throughout Europe, German-speakers were a significant portion of those involved in the controversy) where all nouns are capitalized, the reified entity was almost always capitalized as the "Jewish Question", and was rarely seen as the "Jewish question". For this reason, I believe the article should be moved to the capitalized form. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:53, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I am aware there was a previous RM held in 2013. Six years is certainly a suitable time to allow reconsideration. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:00, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. The Jewish question (disambiguation) page lists various works which use uppercase "Q", not simply because initial caps are used in titles, but also because "Question" used in this context becomes a proper noun. Also, as pointed out in the 2013 discussion, above, other such main title headers — Eastern Question, Armenian Question or Polish Question — used uppercase "Q". It may be noted, however, that in the middle of the 2013 discussion, one of the participants in that discussion unilaterally moved Polish Question to Polish question and it has remained in the lowercase "q" form since then. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:28, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per the solid reasons given in the nomination and Roman Spinner's !vote, to which I have nothing to add. – Levivich 03:17, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Move as a large majority of sources use the capital. Also per Eastern Question, Armenian Question, and German Question, which I happened to notice. On the other hand see Thracian question, Irish question and indeed Polish question (which was rightfully moved in this edit, based on a majority of sources using the underscore "q"). Debresser (talk) 13:45, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and also per all other reasons given above. warshy ^(¥¥) 15:08, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support Rreagan007 (talk) 21:41, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The word debate

The Jewish question has been thoroughly debunked as anti-semitic. Therefore I think we should label it as such rather - like we do on the article QAnon - rather than use 'debate' 78.150.129.45 (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Marx and Bauer

Section #3 Karl Marx – On the Jewish Question includes "can the Jews become politically emancipated?". The reference leads to https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/index.htm but I don't see the quote on that page. Mcljlm (talk) 16:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sartre?

Surprised Anti-Semite and Jew 1944, by Sartre isn't discussed in the article. Jimhoward72 (talk) 17:15, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]