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Someone should update this article[edit]

There have been changes in KDNL: Swift Justice with Nancy Grace has been replaced with Swift Justice with Jackie Glass. 30 Rock is on KDNL local programming now. --71.8.200.157 (talk) 17:21, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Article outdated[edit]

This article is outdated because there has been changes on KDNL local programming now. Swift Justice with Nancy Grace is not on KDNL programming anymore.--71.8.202.17 (talk) 15:05, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 January 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per discussion below, and applicable polices/guides as mentioned. (non-admin closure) Tiggerjay (talk) 01:08, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]


KDNL-TV → KDNL – Common name. I don't know if the name changed recently, or if KDNL was ever the common name. KDNL is the one I'm seeing the most of in Google News. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 07:40, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment – I'm not sure if common name applies here (I could be wrong). I always thought we title the articles for Television & Radio Stations by their call signs. KDNL still has -TV at the end. ❄ Corkythehornetfan ❄ 08:16, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:TVS and WP:WPRS policy is station articles are titled by their official government authority's given calls; KDNL remains suffixed by "-TV", thus no change is possible. Nate • (chatter) 09:38, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Call Sign meaning[edit]

The call sign meaning is unverified and seems far-fetched. Was this pure speculation on the part of the individual who made that edit, or is there a verifiable source?

Joelwnelson (talk) 17:20, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. AstonishingTunesAdmirer 連絡 21:36, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey! I will review the article soon. Please stand by. AstonishingTunesAdmirer 連絡 04:31, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Overview[edit]

GA review
(see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar):
    b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):
    b (citations to reliable sources):
    c (OR):
    d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):
    b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
    b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

Overall:
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Comments[edit]

  • because Plaza was also sitting on a permit for channel 26 in San Francisco – I was going to say that "sitting on" sounds informal, but Wiktionary says that actually it's an idiom, which are discouraged per WP:WTW.
    • Reworded.
  • after that, the games moved to KSDK (channel 5) – as someone who's unfamiliar with this, is "channel 5" supposed to be lowercase? The linked article has it in both lowercase and capitalized, while ref 32 has it capitalized too.
    • We don't capitalize it, but a lot of media outlets will. (We only capitalize "channel" in running text in the name of an organization, and the cases similar to this are generally non-US entities, things like Channel 4).
  • Is the first ref 47 necessary? It's followed by another ref 47.
    • Removed.
  • With KTVI switching to Fox, the ABC affiliation was now up for grabs – according to Wiktionary, "up for grabs" is also an idiom, also discouraged per WP:WTW.
    • Reworded.
  • resulted in the children's block returning to KTVI – is it supposed to be "returning"? I apologize in advance if that's my ESL, but doesn't "return" mean it previously had the children's block? Unless I missed something after reading the paragraph and refs 75 and 76, it sounds like it's the first time the children's block moved there.
    • Nice catch. Reworded.
  • Ref 98 has "work" parameter, but cite book doesn't support it.
    • This did not show as a CS1 error until very recently. Fixed.
  • The station was described by insiders as adrift – checking ref 79, it appears to be about KDNL. But that sentence is right after the sentence about Gary Whitaker's new TV station, so it's a bit unclear.
    • Reworded.

Spot checks[edit]

As I can't decide which references are more important than the others, I let random.org's fair draw decide (I also included a few refs I already checked earlier).

  • 1 – the article says it was a four-year freeze, but the ref says "Federal Communications Commission in Washington issued last night to end its three-and-a-half-year freeze". I guess it's up to you what level of precision is necessary and whether it should be rounded up or down, but personally I would mention that it's a nearly four-year freeze. checkY
    • Fixed.
  • 9 – FCC did dismiss both applications. checkY
  • 21 – control was indeed transferred from stockholders of Greater St. Louis Television Corp. to Thomas M. Evans. However, I would put another ref 22 after Citing "unanticipated difficulties and unexpected changed circumstances" as ref 21 doesn't support that. checkY
    • Added a new cite invoke.
  • 32 – luckily enough, already checked it. Confirmed games moved to KSDK. checkY
  • 37 – Time Inc. indeed entered the negotiations and American Television and Communications was its subsidiary. checkY
  • 45 – the source supports October discounts, $100K losses figure, 10K households signed up, and Cox shutting down the subscription service. checkY
  • 74 – confirmed News 30 moved to 10 PM, 6 PM newscast was added, and moved all KTVI's ABC programming other than the soap opera. checkY
  • 75 – as I checked it earlier, Channel 24 (KNLC) did pick up Fox Children's Network programs. checkY
  • 76 – already checked, does mention poor image quality even on cable, does mention urging children to protest an execution, does mention moving to KTVI. checkY
  • 79 – as I already checked it earlier, it does contain insider's assessment of the station. It also does include the comparison with Channel 2 aka KTVI. checkY
  • 105 – confirmed WXLV news operations were suspended in January 2002. checkY
  • 112 – the source supports that KSDK began producing newscasts for KDNL and that they were "adding additional resources [...] in order to make it happen", but I don't see any mentions of the location or that they used a virtual set. checkY
  • 124 – the link is region blocked for me, and I can't open it even with VPN. I tried opening it through Web Archive, but I'm not sure if it loads the correct .pdf, as the one it loads doesn't seem to contain anything related to KDNL. I have absolutely no clue what I'm supposed to look for, though, so I will assume good faith on this one checkY (however, I tried opening the web archive link in the article and it seems it's completely irrelevant?). exclamation mark 
    • The archive error was inexplicable, but KDNL is indeed not on that list (found a new link for the source material). Removed.

Don't see anything else, apart from these minor issues, as the article is well-written. I'll try to check it again later. AstonishingTunesAdmirer 連絡 18:04, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 18:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 02:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/KDNL-TV; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.
Overall: @Sammi Brie: Good article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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