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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk09:49, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 15:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • Hi Buidhe, review follows; article created 22 December; article exceeds minimum length and is well written; article cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't pick up any overly close paraphrasing from the sources; hook is interesting, mentioned in the article and checks out to Huneke's conclusions; a QPQ has been carried out. Interesting article, not sure how I feel about the lead consisting entirely of cited information (IMO this should be moved into a main body section) but don't think that should hold this up - Dumelow (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To T:DYK/P2

"lesbians in Nazi Germany, unlike gay men, did not face systematic persecution?" is unequivocally false.

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They were simply categorised under "asocials". And were persecuted in that manner.

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  • The lesbians who were targeted indeed were classified as asocials. That does not mean that there was systematic persecution of lesbians in Nazi Germany. (t · c) buidhe 07:08, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Buidhe: On that note would you like to expand this page with me? I was skeptical of the claim that lesbians weren't systemically persecuted although I see it oft-repeated today. I am collecting some sources to investigate that but regardless this page can be expanded (lesbian periodicals were also shut down for instance, not just bars). The Hidden Holocaust?: Gay and Lesbian Persecution in Germany 1933-45 might be useful for instance. VintageVernacular (talk) 22:05, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that you changed "systematic" to "categorical". But is it even correct to say that German gay men were "categorically" persecuted by the Nazi state (as, for instance, German Jews were?) there was never an attempt to round up every German man who experienced same-sex attraction. (t · c) buidhe 00:05, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking in terms of the triangle system but now that I look at it pink triangles weren't only gay men. I rewrote the lead again removing much of what was there before, it may not be necessary to keep. VintageVernacular (talk) 01:27, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
VintageVernacular ok, I appreciate the effort to improve this article, but could you try to use the existing citation style? I fixed one of the refs but I do not have the correct page number for the second citation of Lavie 2021. (t · c) buidhe 05:38, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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