Talk:Modimolle

I have serious doubts as to the accuracy of this article. It is absolutely incorrect to say that as late as 1889 the first church in Sub-Saharan Africa north of Pretoria was at Nylstroom. By this time the Portuguese had possessed colonies in Angola and Mozambique for several hundred years and I believe it is inconcievable that they would not have built churches in their colonies. In addition Ethopia has had Christianity even longer and has many ancient churches and monastries.

On 15 December 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Modimolle to Nylstroom. The result of the discussion was moved.

On 6 January 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Nylstroom to Modimolle. The result of the discussion was moved.

Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion

The Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion in Aksum, Ethiopia dates to the fourth Century AD according to the linked article.

Can't find citations to the fact in the Modimolle page. I know this church in Modimolle is a Protestant church, perhaps the fact was mangled a bit. Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion sounds Catholic, doesn't it? ObseloV (talk) 07:00, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name

There are 4 times more results when searching on Google for Nylstroom, than for Modimolle (those with Modimolle were also just for the municipality, not just the city). I think we should treat this situation as the same as Pietersburg - move the city, keep the muncip. Any one care to discuss?--Bezuidenhout (talk) 10:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Officially the name was changed in June 2002.[1] . Park3r (talk) 16:06, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, Nylstroom is more commonly used, let's bring the Derry (official name Londonderry) scene back in.--Bezuidenhout (talk) 16:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More commonly used by who? Google News shows 4 instances of Modimole, versus 1 for Nylstroom (and that's in parentheses after Modimolle).Park3r (talk) 12:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and google search shows 4 times more results for Nylstroom as appose to Modimolle.--Bezuidenhout (talk) 14:57, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Google News is likely to reflect current usage. The old names are falling out of use.Park3r (talk) 16:20, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nylstroom

For reference I found these websites:

Google - 296,000 for Nylstroom - 70,500 for Modimolle (over 4 times more results for Nylstroom)
http://www.sa-venues.com/accommodation/nylstroom.php - SA venues - Uses Nylstroom all the way through (never mentions Modimolle)
http://www.limpopohappenings.co.za/nylstroomhomepage.htm - Limpopo Happenings - Says Nylstroom/Modimolle and sometimes just Nylstroom. Only uses Modimolle/Nylstroom once.
http://www.maplandia.com/south-africa/northern-province/waterberg/nylstroom/ (part of google maps) - Doesn't mention Modimolle - when searching for Modimolle, no results were found.
Nylstroom accommadation - no Modi
NYLSTROOM HOTELS - no Modi

Modimolle

http://www.safarinow.com/destinations/modimolle-(nylstroom)/hub.aspx - Safarinow - Uses Modimolle (Nylstroom) all the way through.
http://www.modimolletourism.net/ - Obviously it says Modimolle the whole way through (mentions Nylstroom once).

Wikipdia is for Facts Only

The number of Google results is not relevant. The name was officially changed and it will take time to be changed everywhere on the web. Nylstroom is not its official name anymore. Whether the name Nylstroom is more popular with a certain demographic is of no consequence. Wikipedia is about facts whether people like it or not. The government decides on official place names through proper process and that process has been followed.

Demography

I don't get it, how can 5.98% of Modimolle municip. be black, 13% white and the remainder >5%? Thats like 20%? Can someone please fix this. Bezuidenhout (talk) 22:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I made a mistake in updating the Census 2001 data that is mentioned in the Municipality's report. I lost the leading 8. It was 85.98%ObseloV (talk) 09:16, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History

It turns out that the Jerusalem Trekkers (aka Jerusalemgangers) did not actually settle the original town. They arrived in the area while under the leadership of Johan Adam Enslin long before the 1860s, and seem to have been at loggerheads with other Voortrekkers in the region. Dutch Reformed clergymen tried to hold services in the area, but the latter were hampered by the Jerusalem Trekkers. Eventually Andries Pretorius also got stuck with them, which resulted in some sort of lawsuit. After Enslin's death in the 1850s, the support for the Jerusalem Trekkers petered out. Yet, the name they gave to the Mogalakwena river persisted through to the founding of the town on a beautiful part of the southern bank, in 1866. ObseloV (talk) 17:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 15 December 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 15:52, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Modimolle → Nylstroom – Revert premature move to official name, as the WP:COMMONNAME does not appear to have yet followed, per Ngrams and per the lede of the article, which states "commonly known by its original name Nylstroom" BilledMammal (talk) 03:07, 15 December 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Megan B.... ^{It’s all coming to me} till the end of time 09:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Bold move was contrary to above discussion and also policy, which prefers the common name. Andrewa (talk) 09:17, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 6 January 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:52, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nylstroom → Modimolle – Name has been changed since 2005 and reliable sources regularly use the new name.

https://www.news24.com/you/news/local/ina-bonnette-on-losing-her-new-man-he-gave-me-back-my-faith-in-love-again-20211008

https://reviewonline.co.za/526523/part-of-n1-temporarily-closed-after-multi-vehicle-collision/

https://reviewonline.co.za/526690/new-years-day-collisions-claim-six-lives-in-limpopo/

https://www.iol.co.za/pretoria-news/news/three-people-killed-40-injured-after-bus-veers-off-road-overturns-on-n1-north-b4d733e2-4ab4-4802-adf4-5940f3bc33a9 Desertambition (talk) 23:43, 6 January 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. -- Aervanath (talk) 17:30, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose; previous RM was closed a week ago and this is far too soon to open another on the same question. BilledMammal (talk) 05:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- BilledMammal you cited Wikipedia and ngrams. Which are worse than reliable, English language sources. Desertambition (talk) 08:34, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - If the title is inconsistent with what the article says, then either the article or the title needs to change. Meanwhile, ngrams is systematic evidence, showing broad patterns of use. But I'm not interested in spending more effort on this discussion; opening an RM on the same question a week after the previous one closed is far too soon. BilledMammal (talk) 08:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Google News searches produced:

Though both names are in common use, Modimolle is much more common in Google News searches. Ngrams are significant evidence against this, particularly if you switch smoothing to zero. According to Ngrams, Modimolle was more common in 2008 and 2014, but other years up to 2019 Nylstroom was more common, though often only slightly. The Ngram data set does not go beyond 2019.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 23:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per evidence of relative usage. The previous discussion was procedural, not on the merits, so should not be read as restricting the current consideration of the merits. BD2412 T 03:57, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Unless it's clear that an older name is more commonly used in reliable sources, it makes little sense that we would not favor the current, official name.--Yaksar (let's chat) 21:00, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. ngrams only goes until 2019. A Google News search for the past month gives 4 results for Nystroom and 13 for Modimolle. Greenman (talk) 14:45, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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