Talk:Mount Carmel

Not in Israel

Carmel Mountain in Palestine not in Israel ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.6.43.38 (talk) 20:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

You know that's not true, leave your retarded nationalism outside of encyclopedias... 93.172.112.188 (talk) 12:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC) And if it was, Palestine is in Israel.

Need for Disambiguation

I'm too busy to do this today, and maybe I'll do it in the next few days if someone else doesn't, but this should really be 2 articles. How is it logical for Mt. Carmel, Texas be in the "Mount Carmel, Israel" article? That would be like having a paragraph about President Gerald R. Ford in the article about Ford Motor Company. -- Jwinters | Talk 19:46, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've moved it to the disambiguation article, and added a link to it at the bottom of this page.Nyh 07:56, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Due to being the Sacred mountain directly related to Christianity and Judaism religions and a place which historically influenced other place names, religious movements and literature around the world till today - meaning that it works in practice as a World heritage - I suggest this present article to be renamed "Mount Carmel" and the contents (wikilinks) of the current article "Mount Carmel" be moved to an article "Mount Carmel (disambiguation)". Thank you. --62.169.100.56 15:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Agree. Cuñado - Talk 16:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support. As there was no manifested opposition to this purposal, I am changing according to what was presented above (the current "Mount Carmel, Israel" will also re-direct to "Mount Carmel" article). Also I'm gratefull for your link; I came in touch with the lovely Bahá'í Faith through this link: [1]. May we share and Serve under the same fraternal Light, dear friend Cuñado. Best regards, --Rosaecruz 14:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Chronology in "History" section

I was wondering why things in the "History" section seemed to be pretty much in chronological order, except for the part about the Báb's remains being laid to rest. Shouldn't this be switched with the paragraph above it, which is about World War I? I didn't want to make the change without making sure that there wasn't a reason for it being written this way. Thanks! --Twilightsojourn 01:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be constructed that way to maintain continuity between the Bab's burial and the other Bahai events. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 06:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Geography is sketchy

I revised the Geography section to the best of my knowledge, but it could do with improving. While I saw fit to remove the vague reference to the relative location of Acre, the Druze villages (referred to by their familiar names up till 2003) are certainly a notable feature of the Carmel! -- Deborahjay 18:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Carmelites section mixing up two different monasteries

The section on the history of Carmelites on the Carmel Mountain mixes at least two different monasteries, some 30km apart. Stella Maris monastery and the cave of Elijah are both at the northwestern end of the ridge, in Haifa. The monastery at El-Maharrakah (trasliterated as Muhraka in the articles on Carmelites and on Haifa, other variants also exist), known for the "contest" between Elijah and the priests of Baal, is located in the southeastern part of the ridge. 132.68.247.84 (talk) 00:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Still not fixed after over 10 years!!! Who made this mess? Where are the sources? I tried to disentangle the mess, but have no time to redo the entire research. Arminden (talk) 07:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Not because he was bold

Article says Elisha fled to Carmel "straight after cursing a group of young men or children because they had mocked his baldness." Not so; the taunt "go on up, bald man" can be broken so:

• "bald man" was a generic insult, like "son of a bitch." Baldness was rare enough in the area, and Elisha was in his twenties so hughly unlikely a bald person.
• "go on up" refers to Elisha's predecessor, Elijah, having been taken to heaven on a whirlwind.

What the men are mocking isn't the unlikely baldness of Elisha, but the office of a prophet, and the ascension of Elijah – both ordained by God. So, they are mocking Yahweh himself. According to: Kaiser Jr., Walter C. Hard Sayings of the Old Testament. Dowers Grove, Ill., 1988: InterVarsity Press. – Tintazul ^msg 11:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with the statement that: "In 1958, archaeologists discovered something on the mountain range that resembled an altar, which they assumed must have been Elijah's altar." Archaeologists do not make wild assumptions like that - such false reasoning belongs on the "History" (i.e. fiction) Channel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 05:58, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Text removed

Removed from the first section, "Geography and geology":

It is named Rom Carmel.{{notincitation|Google "ROSH HaCarmel," and you'll find this is likely the most popular name as used in Haifa & by Jewish scholars, especially Israelis fluent in Hebrew. Could not find "Rom Carmel" ANYWHERE on jewishencyclopedia.com (used a full-site search i.e. "site:jewishencyclopedia.com"); a more specific link would help, but citing other encyclopedias [instead of a PRIMARY source] is deprecated in WP's standards anyway.|date=November 2012}}<ref name="J Enc" />

I took this out because, like the original placer of the {{notincitation}} template, I searched all over. The only references I could find turned out to be using Wikipedia as a reference for their text. The text should stay here on the talk page until a reliable source can be found. Also, since "Rom Carmel" is the name of a car company in Israel (see here and here), it's possible that the name was added into the article by vandalism. – PAINE ELLSWORTH ^CLIMAX! 05:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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Names

I was referencing the aramaic and not the translation, which I see now uses "kernel" instead. Therefore, I have added an english-language source which uses the word "husk," which is more accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gershonmk (talk • contribs) 05:52, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Israel Visitation

I had seen so many attempts to try to get me to come to Israel. Admittedly something I’m going to do but had never previously considered. They used to talk about it at the Jewish Temple I used to attend in squirrel hill area of Pittsburgh I believe. Yes with Lisa and max and Evi almost every Saturday. Many things that must happen before that occurs though just because of how many of these different objectives and subsets within the world arose. Weird how this all went down despite at many instances thinking to myself this feels like where I’m supposed to be(minus the 35 thing, I never expected the actions of opposition to get that evil, homosexual males are abomination) here. Still despite those feelings though it’s definitely still Erie to me because you basically feel like an even greater sense of lack in ability to share anything you feel for fear of being chastised. Certainly why I’d gone from enfj type ti infj type because I’d never intended to share any of these sentiments regarding religion in the first place but due to the fact that my constitutional privacy rights were not only violated, but used as justification to attack me completely unprovoked has made me feel even less as though i belonged than i had previously, which is why I only went to the Mormon church ever, there was some level of understanding there and endless amounts of goodwill, just something that wasn’t happening anywhere else. Yet Christianity in the first place is only popular due to what any modern day psychiatrist would classify as Psychosis, difference with me is there was no sound or sight. Nselvaggio (talk) 02:40, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Geology estimates on length of human existence

Really is that subliminal or is that accurate? I was thinking based off the texts I’d read that it was ~200k years since humans have been around. Though let’s be real, it’s seemingly obvious based off some findings of fossil records that what we think so long to be true ends up being completely changed by a random discovery that throws whole periods of time in terms of life form existence off. Makes you kind of wonder right? Like that has ti be indicative of something like a great flood or some other catastrophic events that wiped most everything off the planet for it to start all over. I have so many times thought of how many times that’s occurred since planet earth has been around. Nselvaggio (talk) 05:27, 17 May 2020 (UTC)