Talk:Old English Sheepdog

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Spinning fur[edit]

Regarding the spinning of OES hair into yarn: OES don't moult or shed, except for once/twice when they blow out their puppy coat. Spinners of OES fur prefer much longer fibers than puppy coats.

As the practice is fairly uncommon (from my experience, much less than 1% of OES owners over their lifetimes), I don't know that a discussion on the practice belongs in the Wikipedia. However I wasn't sure, so I edited it somewhat for correctness and left it in.

Page quality[edit]

There is so much OR, uncited, personal opinion, and debunked myths on this page it is nearly hopeless. For example:

  • Long heavy thick coats don't protect dogs (or any other mammal) from heat,
Yes it does dogs do not cool like humans do, long fur helps keep the animal cool when you use your respiretory system to cool, not sweat like humans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:35, 24 May 2008
This isn't true at all. It's pretty simple physics - if the outside air temperature is cooler than the dog's body temperature (38/39 degrees celsius, 100-103 fahrenheit) the long fur will make it harder for the dog to cool down. If it's any hotter than that long fur will keep the dog cooler - but it's going to be in trouble pretty fast either way at these temperatures.— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2010
  • Hair (the fall) does not need to cover their eyes to prevent cataracts any more than any other breed,
  • OES CAN see through the fall, but not perfectly well (put your hair over your own eyes). They can see when they are moving beyond a walking gait because a proper fall will part.
OES can NOT see through hair most of the time (It's not transparent!!). While there are times that the dog is moving and can see - there are just as many times you're forcing your dog to be blind. It can lead to many problems - not the least of which is an agressive reaction to being startled by someone approaching the dog when he/she couldn't see. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2010

Just too much to argue about and too much to edit. Ron S 07:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

The Old English Sheepdog was not a sheep herder - it is an ancient breed that was bred to live with and protect sheep from wolves hence its long hair and bulky frame - much like similar breeds that still do that job in Europe. Doh!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:24, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Major Overhaul[edit]

I've been do this for a while. Added Health and History section, generally trimmed or expanded the article and added many citations. I am sorry to have massacred the section on grooming, but that huge block of text has been sitting there uncited for too long and I couldn't find anything to back it up with. GM Pink Elephant (talk) 21:57, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

The famous sheepdogs list was far too long and trivial. I've cut it right down. When in doubt over whether to keep an entry, I've gone with the rough rule that if the sheepdog character is notable enough to be mentioned on the page of the film/book/show in question, then it can stay (for example, not Serpico, but definitely Farley. Max from the Little Mermaid just scrapes through). Can any additions to this list please follow a similar rule, or else be properly cited, to prevent the list growing out of proportion again. Thanks. GM Pink Elephant (talk) 22:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Martha McCartney was not fictional, so why is she listed under the "Fictional Old English Sheepdogs" section? -- (talk) 16:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
I made some edits and organization efforts and added some references; I also added the link to the Open Directory Project, breed links will need to be resubmitted there. --Hafwyn (talk) 00:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Very good edits. It's nice to see the article so improved. Job well done for now! GM Pink Elephant (talk) 10:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Guys- Yes the page is very well written, and I'm reading it like I never saw an Old English before.It is very discouraging to anyone new exploring the breed. The diseases list, and the "long hair, show dog" as the norm are enough to make anyone look at another breed. We've had these for 50 years and they are fun, family or working dogs. With the emphasis on "fun". 1/2" coat is perfectly fine in summer and the dogs are friskier. I'm afraid with these opinions the breed will extinguish itself.keithy BX (talk) 21:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Sheep dogs[edit]

It's not clear from the article how much English Sheepdogs were actually used for herding sheep. It seems from the little information in the article, that they weren't in common use and even then a relatively new introduction (compared to the whole history of sheep herding). In current times, I don't think any are used. Border Collies seem to be the most popular. Is it a myth that English Sheepdogs are used for herding sheep? (talk) 13:45, 4 March 2013 (UTC)