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I'm new. How am I doing? I have to fly but I'll be back later. I'm batty about bats but no expert.

general info on order and suborder[edit]

The first paragraph of this article has a lot of info on megabats in general. I'm moving it here, and also copying to Talk:Megabat.

Easily discernible from their smaller relatives, the Microchiroptera, they are clearly recognizable by their long muzzle and are often described as having a dog-like face. Most megachiroptera species are harmless, feeding on fruit and pollen. Despite their dog or mouse like facial appearance they are more closely related to humans than rodents or canines. Their wings in particular have many similarities to the human hand. In fact the word bat comes from the Greek term for 'hand wing'. By contrast the smaller Chiroptera sub-order typically has a flatter face.

--Allen 03:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Not a bat but a primate?[edit] this is the proposer of the theories responce to the dna evidence and I think its should be noted in the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:52, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

There seem to be quite some evidence to suggest that this creature is not at all related to bats, eventhough it looks exactly like a bat, but is actually a primate and shares a common ancestor with lemurs.

It is true that all bats and all primates share a common ancestor that no other type of mammal shares with them. So bats and primates are already very close. Seems that the flying fox may be a mammal that made the jump to the 'bat niche' way later than the 'real bats' and thus making it a primate from cladistic taxonomical point of view.

I think this should definitely be part of the article. -- 14:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Bats aren't actually close to primates, they aren't even in the same superorder: primates are euarchontoglires while bats are laurasiatherians. Recent genome mapping has discredited this hypothesis entirely while strengthening the monophyletic relationship between microchiroptera and megachiroptera, the latter of which includes pteropus. I suggest we remove this particular section, or at least reword to clearly note that it is discredited. (talk) 15:22, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Why is Flying Fox capitalized?[edit]

Can anyone say why all the "XXX Flying Fox" articles are capitalized? Why not "XXX flying fox"? Dicklyon (talk) 05:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

When the pages for flying fox species were started several years ago by Polbot, it followed IUCN and they use caps. That's the only reason. It's the same in almost all bat articles. It will take a long time to move them all. RN1970 (talk) 06:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. And sorry about the redlinks I accidentally left; thanks for fixing those. I started a query elsewhere (Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#Mammals_help_needed) to see if someone could make a semi-automatic way to fix the Polbot articles, but didn't notice that these were among those. Dicklyon (talk) 06:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


The flying foxes are soo cute!!! - Vera 02/04/13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Great..., that's really going to contribute to this article… (talk) 07:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
As long as they can cite a reliable source where an expert says they are "cute," I don't see a reason why that can't be included. But otherwise it's a violation of WP:OR. (talk) 05:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I think article is wrong[edit]

Quoting from article, "Characteristically, all species of flying foxes only feed on nectar, blossom, pollen, and fruit, which explains their limited tropical distribution. They do not possess echolocation, a feature which helps the other suborder of bats, the microbats, locate and catch prey such as insects in mid-air.[3] Instead, smell and eyesight are very well-developed in flying foxes."

I am in Pattaya, Thailand, on a high floor in a condo, and I just witnessed a very large *something* execute a maneuver typical of a bat when it encounters a bug that it wants to eat. It was 10PM at night. This thing easily had a wingspan of 3 feet if not 4 and I could hear its wings flap and it was maybe 20 feet away from me when it did this. The only bird I know of that hunts at night are owls, and they go after stuff on the ground like mice and snakes, yes?

So I'm going to propose that, sure, these big bats are primarily about eating fruit, but that they nevertheless possess echolocation and will use it when they have to. Pattaya is an urban area. Not a lot of fruit to be had unless it wants to cough up 40 baht to one of the sidewalk vendors here. So maybe it got lost and had to resort to "old" instincts in order to fuel up for the trip home. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:08, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pteropus/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I'll take on this excellent article. Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 08:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


The article is essentially ready for GA but I just wanted to check one or two small points.

  • One or two citations may be needed: I've marked up these in the text.
    • fixed
  • The list of species is redundant with the phylogenetic tree, with the List of fruit bats#Subfamily Pteropodinae, and with Category:Pteropus.
    • fixed
  • Perhaps the type of molecular data used should be mentioned.
    • fixed
  • The 'Legal status' section has many short subsections, which are frankly somewhat repetitive (perhaps WP:NOTCAT applies). I'd suggest that a single paragraph summarizing the legal position across countries might be more appropriate. For instance, you could group the countries into a list of places where the bats are protected (refs), and a list where they aren't (other refs). Then you could briefly mention protections in countries where they aren't native.
    • fixed
  • "No decisions have been made as of 2018" cited to a 2014 document smells very much like WP:OR.
    • fixed
  • "lost 100–120 t (220,000–260,000 lb)" - units need to be spelled out (and arguably also wikilinked) at first instance.
    • fixed
  • Longevity is a very brief section. Perhaps you might rearrange this into a traditional 'Largest and smallest' (Diversity) section, along with most of the first paragraph of 'External characteristics', fastest flight, and longest migration.
    • not sure precisely what you mean here--could you provide an article that exemplifies what you mean?

Well, that's all done, and it's a fine article. Happy to award it GA status. Hope you'll pick one or two articles from the GAN list to review. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:37, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your time! I will look over some of the natural science articles and see if there are any I feel qualified to review. Enwebb (talk) 19:51, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


Is there any reason why the article's not called "Flying fox" or should I just go ahead and request a technical move per WP:Common names?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:30, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Acerodon and Desmalopex spp. are also known as flying foxes. This article is only about the Pteropus species. Enwebb (talk) 03:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)