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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

See also: Snooker to-do list

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Prize money earnt: £223,432
Century breaks made:22
Won the 1982 Bass and Golden Leisure Classic
"the son of Minnie Roberts and William Williams."
The 1952 World Professional Match-play Championship "which was near Williams's home in Blackheath, Staffordshire."
He continued on the Billiard circuit until 1999.
His highest break in competition was 143 at the 1983 Classic.

Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rex Williams/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 19:54, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this one on next, review coming as soon as possible. Kosack (talk) 19:54, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Link exhibition match to Exhibition game.

Done.

Junior career

No link for Halesowen?

Link added.

Add the exhibition match link again here.

Done.

"winning the one frame 85-51", scoreline here needs an endash.

Done.

Early professional career

"receiving 10 points each frame", was this meant in the form of a handicap?

Yes, I've added a few words.

Link Jackie Rea.

Done.

Kingsley Kennerley and Joe Davis are linked in the first section, no need to repeat his link again here per WP:OVERLINK.

Done.

Albert Brown is linked to a redirect, seems unnecessary when you're already piping.

Amended.

1960s revival of snooker

Link for Blackheath?

Link added.

Fred Davis linked previously. Jack Rea is linked here but not under a previous mention of Jackie Rea above. Best to stick to one name to avoid confusion.

Done.

Countries are generally considered overlinks, so South Africa would probably be fine unlinked.

Done.

"second man to make a recognised 147 break", I notice that there are a few instances of refs being placed in non-numerical order, as in this sentence. Is this intentional?

Done.

World billiards championship and the WPBSA

Is World Billiards Championship the name of the tournament? If so, it would need capitalising in the heading here.

I'm not 100% sure if it always has been. Everton's book has "World Professional Championship of English Billiards" from 1933 to 1973 for the B&SCC ratified event, and "World Professional Billiards and Snooker Association" from 1971, which is obviously not the actual title of the championship. I've added professional as it definitely isn't the amateur event. (the official World Billiards site has "World Billiards Championship" now but the game is open, i.e. there is no longer a distinction between amateurs and professionals. Entry criteria here for the 2018 event point readers to Wikipedia for the names of past champions...

"Williams was the World Professional Billiards Championship seven times", this doesn't quite work.

amended.

"beating Williams 5978–4,452", there's no comma in the first score here as used with the rest of the scores.

Done.

"48-minute late" > 48-minutes

Done.

Performance and rankings timeline

What sources are used for the tables?

References now added. There were a couple of minor tournaments I couldn't verify so I've hidden those. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here's what I picked out on an initial run through. Nothing major, a few minor issues. Placed on hold for now. Kosack (talk) 12:04, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your helpful and constructive review, Kosack. I've started working on the points above. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully I've addressed everything so far, Kosack. Let me know what remains to be done. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article's looking in great shape. One further point I would raise is that his full name (Desmond) doesn't seem to be sourced anywhere. It may be a simple case of adding it to the opening line of the junior career section if the refs cover it. Kosack (talk) 11:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Kosack - I've added this as suggested. (The source shows that it's his full name, which isn't necessarily his name at birth, so I've worded the article to reflect this.). Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:03, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All of my points have been suitably addressed. I'm satisfied that the article meets the GA criteria. Happy to promote. Kosack (talk) 08:30, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]