Talk:Sabu Dastagir

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Name[edit]

Most reference books have his full name as "Sabu Dastigir", but research by journalist Philip Liebfried suggests that was his brother's name, and that Sabu was in fact Selar Shaik Sabu. SteveCrook 16:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

He appears in the United States Social Security Death Index as:[1]
  • SABU DASTAGIR 27 Jan 1924 Dec 1963 (not specified) (none specified) 557-24-7174 California
That's about as clear as it gets. Whether he may have borrowed his brother's name or not isn't really relevant to much of anything--there is no magic, God-given name by which people are known. Gene Nygaard 22:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

Sabu Dastagir → Sabu – Name that the person was credited as, a la Sting, and Cher ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 05:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

Support - Should be done to conform with rest of Wiki. Also, the name is not clarified. ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 05:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Oppose - As seen on the disambiguation page, other entries have stake to this name, perhaps the most notable being Terry Brunk (to which most of the errant links to the disambiguation page are intended). That article already has "Sabu (wrestler)" as a redirect, why not "Sabu (actor)" here? Tromboneguy0186 07:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Oppose per above. Make Sabu a disambig after merging and eliminating Sabu (disambiguation). Keep Sabu Dastagir and/or list Sabu (actor) on the new page. Voice of Treason 23:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I moved the disambiguation page to the standard name, and I changed the link in Voice of Treason's post so that I can delete the other page. -- Kjkolb 05:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Oppose that this page be renamed as Sabu, there are other claimants to the name. How about having this page renamed as Sabu (actor) with Sabu Dastagir redirecting to that. The disabmbiguation page for Sabu can then split out for the wrestler, the actor, the band (run by the son of the actor) and any others. But this page should certainly be renamed. As noted earlier on this Talk page, it's even doubtful that the actor's name was ever actually Dastagir SteveCrook 00:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Result[edit]

No move. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 16:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

What about moving it to Sabu (actor) and maikng Sabu a disabmbiguation page? -- SteveCrook 19:51, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Military service[edit]

I have a question about Sabu's Military Service? I assume he served in the Army Air Corps, not the Air Force. Can anyone verify this?~~Dan Wright~~

That's what it says in the article. And in everything I've read about him -- SteveCrook 21:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

There was no US air force at the time.203.184.41.226 (talk) 22:49, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Please add: (verify by list of actors who served in WWII-found through common search!

Sabu served in the Army Air Corps. He served on bombers as a tail gunner or top gunner. He flew 42 on missions. (He was wounded, damaging his heart which later killed him at an early age.) Highly decorated for bravery: received the Distinguished Flying cross, The Five air Medal and Presidential Unit Citation, for Exemplary Service. CITED ON A PAGE: "ACTORS WHO SERVED IN WWI and WWII!"

Also check biography. I believe his widow is still living.

Dubious[edit]

Athough I believe it's true that the book cited does claim this, I see no reason why Sabu should claim Pakistan as his mother country. He didn't come from the region that became Pakistan and he wasn't Moslem. Are any more explanations or details given in the book? -- SteveCrook 22:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I think the claim is pure rubbish. The book in question is clearly a Pro-Pakistani tirde, and the details given are slim. If you want, I could type in the section where Sabu Dastagir (aka Sabu Francis) is discussed, if it does not violate WikiPedia copyright policy. I think the part about the book should be deleted as it is a printed work of no great credibility. Unsigned comment by 122.161.155.202 18:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
"Sabu Fancis"?? It sounds even more dubious. I'd be quite happy if that section was just deleted -- SteveCrook 20:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

He was a muslim. There's no doubt about that. It was only when he was in the army did he convert to the Baptist faith. And I agree, it is highly dubious that he claimed Pakistani as his nationality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.131.199 (talk) 20:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Why do you say that there is "no doubt" that he was a muslim? I'd have thought that there was a lot of doubt. That's why I originally raised the point. Do you have any citations or references? -- SteveCrook (talk) 21:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Umm...first of all, there's the little matter of names: Salar, Shaikh and Dastagir are Muslim names; the first two derived from Arabic words, and the last Persian. --iFaqeer (talk) 10:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

PS: Isn't it rather odd that everybody "refuting" this point passionately chooses to write anonymously? Isn't there a Wikipedia policy that anonymous comments are to be given less weight? --iFaqeer (talk) 10:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Un-link this Marilyn Cooper[edit]

The box on the right of the Sabu article has a link to Marilyn Cooper as Sabu's wife. The article, however, appears to be about another Marilyn Cooper, with a different date of birth and no reference to a marriage. The link also is found in the article on Sabu's son Paul Sabu.Karlpov (talk) 16:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

You could have unlinked them. That's how Wikipedia works. But now I've done it -- SteveCrook (talk) 18:16, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Religion[edit]

According to Dror Izhar, page 12 of Quit India: The Image of the Indian Patriot on Commercial British Film and Television, 1956-1985, Sabu Dastagir was Muslim. "Said Jaffrey, born in 1929, and Sabu Dastagir (1925–1963), both Muslim Indians who apparently never met, had very different destinies. Dastagir was employed as a groom in the court of a Prince in an “independent” princedom. When he was twelve, Dastagir was discovered by the American documentary filmmaker Robert Flaherty, who directed a feature film in 1936 entitled Elephant Boy with Zoltan Korda. Korda and his brother Alexander, a Jewish-Austro-Hungarian-British film producer and director in his own right, turned Sabu into a star. As a child, he was exploited by them and gained recognition and fame in exotic films such as The Drum (1938) and thus, in my view, Dastagir was a victim of the British occupation of India. When he reached adulthood, he fought in World War II and won a medal of honor as a pilot. He then moved to Hollywood, where he starred in several insignificant films, and finally died of a heart attack at the age of thirty-eight."--182.177.8.98 (talk) 22:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

That's a well balanced view. Sabu was such a victim that he became rich, famous and had a happy family life. I wish I could be a victim like that  :) -- SteveCrook (talk) 01:25, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
"Well balanced view" indeed! Making a stable boy into a well paid star is shocking victimization. Wasn't the British Empire appalling!203.184.41.226 (talk) 22:52, 9 August 2013 (UTC)