Talk:Sarah Josepha Hale

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I deleted the image, because it was taken from, which explicity says Images from Godey's Lady's Book copyright Hope Greenberg, University of Vermont. Used by permission.

It was written in the 19th century. You made a mistake. Live with it and let me continue working. Alexandros 23:02, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Should we risk a lawsuit from Ms. Greenberg? RickK 23:03, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I've contacted Ms. Greenberg, I will report on her response. RickK 23:16, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Oh my goodness people! This is such a terribly written article! Please someone fix it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks... WP:SOFIXIT. --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

i agree ms.greenberg should be reported soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:08, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Incorporating poetry in context[edit]

Someone added the text of Hale's most famous poem; and Midnightdreary assessed the poem as unnecessary. In contrast, I'm persuaded that this poem is a meaningful addition, potentially useful to prospective readers.

  • diff 01:00, 30 November 2008 User:Tenmei ... Undid revision 254870775 by Midnightdreary -- not unhelpful, not ridiculous, not POV -- see talk?
  • diff 22:42, 29 November 2008 User:Midnightdreary ... Removed as unnecessary and ridiculously POV

Perhaps this aspect of the article deserves further discussion? --Tenmei (talk) 01:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if it seemed harsh. The POV seemed pretty obvious to me: "most famous work" is not neutral but a judgment. Of course, I also think that having full poems in articles is particularly unnecessary (see guidelines at WP:POETRY for links to some relevant policies and guidelines). Besides, there's already a full article on "Mary's Lamb". Let me ask you: how do you feel the full text of the poem (in its modern incarnation) is helpful in an article on a woman who was one of the most influential woman critics/editors of her day? --Midnightdreary (talk) 02:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Tenmei, I agree with Midnightdreary, it is not important to put the poem in the article, besides the poem having its own article, you can also find it by using the Wikisource link at the bottom of Hale's page. Lets not distract from her many good works and interesting life. (I am glad to see more people interested in this lovely lady.) - Epousesquecido (talk) 05:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead and remove it. If there is further support for including it, it would have to be under a different heading ("Most famous work" is inappropriate), formatted correctly (using the "poem" tag), and after her biography. I'm sorry if I sound uncivil, but this addition was pretty unjustifiable all around. --Midnightdreary (talk) 15:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
My question wasn't merely rhetorical -- I really didn't understand the reasons why the addition was unhelpful; and now I'm better informed about why it can be construed as a distraction. I simply didn't see it; and my uncertainty in terms of Mary had a little lamb was informed by poetry excerpts I'd incorporated in a number of articles, e.g.,
Context matters, of course. Does the reasoning applied in this instance extend to articles with an arguably different cultural context? --Tenmei (talk) 16:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


Not sure why there is such confusion over the title of a book. It seems to have two titles; the trick is finding which came first. Here's the 1827 version from New York [1] --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Saint Sarah?[edit]

There is a link to the saints portal at the end of this article, and the article itself is categorized under Category:Anglican saints. A quick Google search did not produce any evidence that Sarah Josepha Hale has been canonized or anything. What gives? --Midnightdreary (talk) 15:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Moved to Philadelphia[edit]

An account of how Thanksgiving went national in the Philadelphia Inquirer says that Godey allowed Hale to stay in Boston until her son's graduation, after which she moved to Philadelphia. Can someone research just when that was and include the move in this article?--DThomsen8 (talk) 01:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Reassessed this from a "Start" to a "C," at least. Could we call this a "B class" article even without that info? Djembayz (talk) 23:54, 28 November 2013 (UTC)