Talk:Sarum Rite

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Sarum Rite[edit]

The Latin name for Salisbury is not "Sarum", it is Salisburium. Sarum is the abbreviation that was used on maps. It became common to use Sarum in reference to Salisbury. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clementissime (talkcontribs) 19:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Nope. The Latin name for Salisbury was Sorviodunum. Even if you're talking medieval dog/ecclesiastical Latin, you're looking at Serisberia & al. Sarum's not only a perfectly set alt Latin name for the place (albeit born out of scribal errors well before anyone was drawing maps), it was the official name in English until 2009 and remains the name for the original settlement at Old Sarum. — LlywelynII 09:19, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Book of Common Prayer[edit]

Could somebody write more on the influence on the Book of Common Prayer? You already mention the Advent propers and the counting of Sundays after Trinity; another influence I know about is the Lord's Prayer and the Collect of Purity at the beginning of the Mass. Anything more?-- (talk) 12:00, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


I can't speak to its accuracy but, if this source is right, a fuller treatment of its argument needs to go into the article.

In fine, even with one its bishops getting the job for having moved through the service so rapidly, it never made sense that Salisbury was the go-to for medieval English services. The linked essay argues (first) that Osmund's book itself was very short and (second and more importantly) that the changes introduced by Osmund and his successors at Salisbury were at the vanguard of converting English ecclesiastical lands and tithes into prebends and cash payments that gave its church's middle management an enviable lifestyle that was (sooner or later) copied by its fellows. The rest of the uses came along as part of the financial reform.

Obviously, today, people usually think of the Sarum Rite as the Antient & Customarie Usages of the Britons from Tyme Immemoriall but it only came to seem that way after the fights of the Reformation. In its own time, it was Norman innovation on top of Roman and Saxon uses; we should do a better job explaining why this particular set won out for a time. — LlywelynII 09:33, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

edit: From the same set of essays, letters by Peter of Blois explicitly invoke "the constitution of Osmund and of Jocelin" in arguing that they intended that the holders of the largest prebends should be resident while the lesser canons should be free to take their income wherever they might be. — LlywelynII 11:34, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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Needs citations and references.

Last edited at 18:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 05:29, 30 April 2016 (UTC)