Talk:Superman IV: The Quest for Peace

Deleted footage

There is no source for this footage, even if it's true, we need a reliable source to confirm. Bignole 17:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's on the SUPERMAN IV Special Edition DVD. Mcflytrap 21:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This comment was left awhile ago when the section was in terrible shape. Also, it also addressed the "deleted scenes" being listed, as this is unencyclopedic. Bignole 21:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Mcflytrap 14:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Worth mentioning?

• The Metropolis Subway sequence looks nothing like the New York Subway - not surprising, since it was actually shot on the London Underground with its distinctive round tunnels and trains shaped to fit.
• One of the posters on the wall mentions New York City, which is paradoxical since in the movie Metropolis is "played" by New York.
• A headline on the tabloid Daily Planet mentions "your favourite newspaper" - note the UK spelling which somebody didn't check.

There are probably hundreds of others but those are the ones that particularly caught my eye. Lee M 17:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Nah. People interested in lists of goofs can find them at IMDB. There's no need for a Wikipedia article to list them. Capedia (talk) 18:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

If you want to talk about goofs, start with the poster. Look at the lousy cut-and-paste artistry. That's a warning sign right there. The only goofs worth mentioning are those well-documented and well-known, and I don't mean the items in IMDB. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 23:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Cast

At no point in the article is it noted which actors played which characters. Some are quite obvious, but e.g. "Lacy" is not. -- Jon Dowland 15:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, 1 of 2 things need to happen. Either a "Cast" section needs to be added, or, someone should go into the plot and add the actor's name, in paranthesis, next to their respective characters.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Special Powers

This film gives the Man of Steel powers with which he had never before been portrayed. Among these, after the Nuclear Man destroys part of the Great Wall of China, Superman restores the wall by gazing at it, causing the wall to rebuild itself, apparently by use of telekinesis, a power never ascribed to Superman in the comics.

While never seen in the comics, I beleive that the Phantom Zone criminals demonstrate this power in Superman II.

Masonry vision

General Zod had telekinesis powers in Superman II, levitating a farm boy's dad, and since Superman and the Evil guys were equal in abilities, telekinesis isn't so far fetched. Zod's telekinesis came out of his index finger though. 70.177.90.238 08:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Protected

Over edit war on whether sequence of films listed should be on basis of continuity or production order. The conversation is at Talk:Superman Returns#Protected. -- Samir धर्म 06:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The other dispute has been resolved, this page can be unprotected. CmdrClow 09:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

In conjunction with the agreement reached at the Superman Returns page, I've removed the Followed By box. Please do not re-add it. CmdrClow 02:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Even though?

Even though it tried to send a strong message against the use of nuclear weapons, the movie was not well received by either the general public or movie critics.

This implies that a movie will be inherently well received simply because it has a strong political message. Having a political message has nothing to do with filmic quality. 67.171.163.212 16:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

References

What's up with that "references" section? Is it meant to be for footnotes or citations? I notice that some text I added to the article a while back has been moved there, but it's not a reference.

Fourohfour 16:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

cemetary scene

In the deleted scenes section there's no mention of Superman in the cemetary seeing his foster parents graves.Does anyone have sources of that so we put that in.Apparently I beleive this is not included in the "deleted scenes section" of the DVD delux edition.-Vmrgrsergr 19:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Special powers

How (not) on Earth does Lacey (Mariel Hemmingway) breathe in space? She clearly has no breathing apparatus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.40.61 (talk) 00:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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Nuclear warheads

• When Superman throws all the nuclear warheads into the sun (besides the creation of Nuclear Man), how did Luthor put them all back? A later scene shows Luthor with a truckload of cash that he made from resupplying all the world's nukes. What was the cause that all the countries suddenly wanted more nukes and they turned to Luthor (who actually double-crossed arms dealers)? Did Nuclear Man freak them out and they decided it was a bad idea to have disarmed? USN1977 (talk) 13:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Superman's powers 'transferring to others'.

I recently deleted a part of the 'special powers' section which read: "Another power Superman seems to display is the ability to pass on certain aspects of his powers to others. In the scene where Lois and Superman go flying, Superman lets go of Lois and she continues flying, as if she had superpowers herself." I deleted it because the statement is erroneous, as they are clearly seen in flight travelling at considerable speed. When Superman releases Lois Lane she does not continue to fly (she can immediately be seen to lose altitude) but her momentum continues forward. This is basic physics: Objects travelling through the air at speed do not drop straight down when their propulsion (in this case Superman) stops, rather they gradually lose speed and altitude before going into freefall. So there is no reason to believe her continuing to move forward while gradually losing altitude is anything other than due to her original momentum (eg: Buzz Lightyear's "falling with style"). MM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.160.106 (talk) 23:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I saw that and wanted to hug you a little for it. Never even noticed it getting added to the page in the first place. Without a source, it was pure original research. Millahnna (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit notes

Hi there, I am starting a copyedit of your article, I am generally aware of Superman, but if I make any changes that are just plain wrong, or you just don't like it, feel free to revert me, I won't be offended, honest! I'll go section by section so that any changes should be easy to revert, and I will leave detailed notes here on any changes I make. Please note, I won't be checking the article for factual accuracy, unless I notice something glaringly obvious!

Lead:

-Removed wikilink from "Golan-Globus", since it redirects to Cannon Films anyway

-minor prose fixes (period after warner bros, changed the Lex sentence a little)

-"the final installment of this series, was released", should that be "the most recent installment of this series, was released"? Knowing hollywood, there's another sequel coming some day, not changed, just suggested.

Infobox:

-Changed "budget" format, as per MOS (millions format is mentioned a few lines above that)

Plot:

- removed links to United States, and nuclear war, as per WP:Overlink. Left in the link to the Soviet Union, as it's conceivable (since it no longer exists) that younger readers may not know of it

- changed "ship" to "spaceship"

- changed tense from past to active, hometown visit sentence

- replaced "green-glowing" with "luminescent green"

- replaced "land" with "farm" for clarity

- removed " and stops a runaway subway train", incidental to the plot, and has no connection to the first half of the sentence

- added "own" to clarify, it's not Perry's daughter that gets hired

- "tries to seduce him. Clark agrees to go on a date..." this is kind of clunky...if she really tried to seduce him, they'd be past the "agreeing to go on a date" stage... not changed, but suggest it could be worded better

- "conflicted about", shorter, loses no context

- "after" receiving, not all readers will be native english speakers, simple language is usually better

- recommend "that" he leave

- removed U.N. wikilink, as per WP:Overlink

- removed remaining links from that sentence too, same reason, the sentence is clear on it's own

- removed wikilink for "sun" (think we mostly all know what that is ;) )

- Changed teenager to teenaged

- American missile, or american missile? Will have to check that later, no change...

- tag added, what is meant by "deactivate"?, kinda vague

- Statue of Liberty wikilink removed

- changed "poisoned" to "infected with radiation sickness", I believe that's more accurate

- Minor prose change to last sentence in the paragraph

- "Lois indicates a desire to quit, and seizes Superman's recovered cape for herself" this is another "less than ideal" sentence, it has two parts, and neither has anything to do with the other, might want to tweak that, no change made

- removed "and asks if she knows where he is", plot relevance I missed here?

- Lois goes to the apartment, it's unclear, does Clark go out on the terrace after she leaves? while she's there? Attempts to heal himself? Does he or not?, no changes made here because I'm not sure, it's been a long time since I watched this movie... Editors?

- Minor prose changes to the elevator car sentence

- removed moon wiki-link... who got wiki-crazy on this article?

- removed "with which", unneeded for the sentence, and reads poorly

- minor change to buying shares "in" the company

- removed "back" from buying shares, I don't think Perry had the controlling shares to begin with, did he?

- changed to "controlling interest in"

- Added "David", only because, even though mentioned early on in this section, a lot of other things had happened, and he hadn't been referenced since, and Warfield sounds like a company name, thought I was missing something when I read it the first time

- Moved period outside quote, to close the sentence properly

- That's it for this section!

Cast:

- Removed wikilinks for Clark, Supes, and Lex, and others previously linked in plot section as per WP:Overlink, also removed link to "nuclear man", redirects back to this article anyway

- Relocated David Warfield link back into plot, and corrected link (the section actually mentioning Warfield is at the bottom of the other article)

- Left actors previously wiki-linked just so there's a complete section with all the actors links in it, seems reasonable

Not much else to do here! Suggestion, some of the lesser characters who are not mentioned in the plot summary above (Jeremy is?) might want to have a small note beside their names indicating their function in the story, ie "Damian McLawhorn as Jeremy (Starbucks Barista)", just a thought.

Production:

- tag added to "mixed-to-negative reaction" statement, Can we find a quote from a film critic here? or possibly a rotten tomatoes item (something like "27 out of 32 professional critics gave this film a negative review")

- wikilinked Brainiac, Bizarro and Mr. Mxyzptlk (in ref)

- wikilinked Richard Lester (in ref)

- Dead link noted in that ref, wayback machine maybe?

- removed 1984 wikilink

- removed "in the U.S." re: box office failure

- Prose fix, comma splice

- changed "filmmakers" to "producers"

- Moved "deal he couldn't refuse" clauses around, chronologically better, and keeps the focus on Superman, not Reeve's other project

- minor prose tweak to Reeve's directing parenthetical

- minor prose tweak, "the" changed to "their"

- removed wikilink "1987"

- Elucidate tag added, examples of director cutting corners everywhere? (yes, I saw the one about the U.N. scene, seems like there should be more examples for such a broad statement)

- Elucidate tag added, panned by critics and fans alike, example? just as first note in this section

- Reeve's autobiography quote, please see Wikipedia:Mos#Linking, links should not be present, but converted to refs

- commas to "According to Rosenthal..." sentence

- removed wikilink for New York

- added for Rosenthal's comments

- and again...

- and again for Cryer's statements, these really need to be sourced...

Score:

- added a

- minor prose fixes

- , the orchestra probably doesn't think so...

- minor prose fixes

- removed williams wikilink

Reception:

- prose fix

- Adjusted text, I think that's what it means... it ended up with 15.6million, right? (otherwise, it conflicts with previous sentence)

- tag added, we don't have worldwide numbers? only US and Canada? that seems weird...

- trim redundant prose

- synced subject with article, plans is plural, *they* never came to fruition

- more prose fixes

- Time Warner mentioned for the first time... when did Golan Globus sell it?? Not in article...

- aha! I see we have some critic info down here... maybe we could work the above sections to not seem to be vacant of these tidbits?

- minor prose tweaks only

Deleted footage:

- added "in" the gallery

- altered sentence for clarity

- failed screening? failed how?

- tag added. Film failed, future plans on hold, why does that make Cannon out of touch with reality?

- removed Moscow wikilink, WP:overlink

Ownership and rights:

- removed "—coincidentally, CBS Television Studios had also been the successor to the TV division of Paramount Pictures, the studio that released the 1940s Superman cartoons made by Fleischer Studios and Famous Studios", not relevant

- changed "due to" to "granted by"

- changed "the present time" to "as of 2012" it may not be right at some time in the future, ergo "present time" isn't a good idea

- The section is a little technical, I'm not sure it needs to be (maybe it does), but it may be able to be written a little clearer by the editors here, there's nothing wrong with the way it is, it's just... a little clunky.

Special powers

- minor prose change

- changed "several powers" since the section only lists 1

- that's it here!

Comic book adaptation

- prose tweaks

- Who is Jeremy??

- Being just one world? I don't understand what that is supposed to mean...

Ok, that's a wrap ppl! I thought this was a generally decent article, I hope you found at least some of my changes/ideas beneficial, and if not, well, there's always the undo button! --^Despay_re (^tal_k) 03:13, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Who is Jaidev Aptey?

In the plot info there's a Jaidev Aptey mentioned in brackets in the first line. Is there any such man in the entire cast? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperNerdMan83 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced Content

Removed information that has completely no references to obtain. Feel free to reinsert this section back into the article when citations are found. Freshh (talk) 18:09, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Ownership and rights

==Ownership and rights== As a result of prior contracts, different entities own different components of Superman IV. Warner Bros. co-produced the film and handled North American theatrical distribution, while Cannon Films handled distribution outside North America. Due to legal snags, the film was not issued on DVD for many years until WB bought back key rights to the film, thus allowing it to be released on DVD in the U.S. in 2001 and Japan in 2008. The international DVD rights were not settled until 2005 and WB has since released IV outside the U.S. on home video. WB also handled worldwide distribution of IV when it was reissued in late 2006 as part of the 14-disc Superman Ultimate Collector's Edition box set. CBS Television Distribution (owners of the television rights to Cannon's library, and successor company to Viacom Enterprises) originally held television rights to the film, under license from Paramount Pictures. Then, in 2006, television syndication was assumed by Warner Bros. Television Distribution—since it and ION Media Networks announced a deal that provided the rights to broadcast movies and classic TV shows from the Warner Bros. library on the ION Television network. The ION deal included TV rights for Superman IV and its predecessor Superman III. Finally, in 2009, Paramount re-assumed its partial rights to IV granted by its part-ownership of the Cannon library for certain media in the U.S. only, and as of 2012, television syndication is handled on Paramount's behalf by Trifecta Entertainment & Media. Meanwhile, all other theatrical and television rights in certain territories, including partial copyright, are owned by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer as successor-in-interest to Cannon Films.

Deleted footage

The comic book adaptation of the film, as well as the novelization, depicted in these scenes and several photos of Superman's battle with the first Nuclear Man can be seen online. Three of the "lost" minutes, consisting of two scenes (the "tornado scene", in which Christopher Reeve's daughter Alexandra plays the girl swept away by the tornado; and the "Moscow" sequence, in which Superman stops a nuclear missile from being launched) were used in the international release by Cannon Films, and in the U.S. syndicated television version prepared by Viacom. At one point the producers of this film considered using all the deleted footage (and presumably shooting new footage) in a fifth film (see Superman Lives), but the poor box office performance of this film led to that idea being scrapped. Rosenthal commented on the DVD commentary that this showed just how out of touch Cannon Films was with reality. Approximately thirty minutes of deleted footage were included in a 'deleted scenes' section of the 2006 DVD box set, Superman Ultimate Collector's Edition, as well as on the Deluxe Edition DVD release of the film. All of these scenes were taken from a workprint version of the film with temporary music and unfinished visual effects in many places.

Development and casting

According to Reeve, Golan & Globus did not have a script in mind when they first approached him about doing the fourth installment; they simply wanted him to reprise his role. In his autobiography Still Me, Reeve stated that he had reservations about doing another Superman film, particularly if it was going to be treated as a farce, which had been the case with the third film. This was an approach that Reeve felt was disrespectful to fans and the source material. The new producers then promised Reeve story input (there was also talk of having Reeve direct a fifth Superman film should the fourth one prove successful), and they would produce any project of his choosing. Reeve accepted, and in exchange, Golan & Globus produced the crime drama Street Smart. Golan & Globus had so many other films in their pipeline at the time that their money was spread too thinly to properly accommodate what became Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, released in 1987, forcing the film's veteran director Sidney J. Furie to cut corners everywhere. Mike Rosenthal described the final film as Cannon stabbing Christopher Reeve in the back. He revealed on the Deluxe Edition DVD that he and writer Lawrence Konner wanted Reeve to play Nuclear Man as well as his role of Superman/Clark Kent in the film. They imagined the villain being a darker version of the hero in the cloning process. This would be financially expensive and was already explored in minor detail in Superman III. Cannon decided to hire Mark Pillow instead for the part of Nuclear Man in the final film.

Score

Golan-Globus wanted Superman IV to carry a "music by John Williams" credit, but the composer's commitment to the Boston Pops Orchestra precluded him from accepting the project. Williams suggested his longtime friend and collaborator Alexander Courage should score the film and he also agreed to compose new thematic material as needed. Recording of the score with the Symphony-Orchestra Graunke began in Munich, Germany on May 11, 1987. As the sessions progressed it became apparent that the players were not up to the challenge of some of the complex action cues. After the completion of a session on May 18, the remaining sessions in Germany were canceled and the rest of the score was recorded with the National Philharmonic Orchestra at CTS Studios in England between May 23 and June 2. Courage scored 100 minutes of music for the film and also recorded album versions of three new John Williams themes. A soundtrack album was prepared in 1987 by Cannon's musical advisor Jack Fishman, but it was aborted when most of the music selected for it (including three songs by his son Paul Fishman) ended up getting cut from the film. No music from Superman IV was released for over twenty years until the Film Score Monthly soundtrack label presented the complete score as part of their 8-CD anthology Superman: The Music (1978–1988) in 2008.

Poor editing?

Not sure where to add this comment -- but I hope someone will add a section to the main article that details how much of the negative fan reaction to this film was because of the POOR EDITING, where entire sections of important narrative were (apparently) missing from the theatrical release. This made the story incomprehensible to anyone watching in the theater. I saw this film at a Pittsburgh-area theater at the time of its release -- the storyline was a mess. This is something that -- after years of people watching the DVD and filling in backstory with deleted scenes and director commentary -- might not be so apparent. Chesspride 66.19.84.2 (talk) 05:00, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

To add any of this, we would need reliable sources discussing it. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:51, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

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