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Proposal: change no contest to win for bradley

I dont think one decision by California State Athletic Commission should speak for the whole boxing world. All references agree Bradley dominated the frist 3 rounds in the fight againnst nate campbell, and the referee also ruled it a win for Bradley. Either of the following decisions should be used instead of No Contest:

Someone65 (talk) 10:11, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is a lot of mess in that section. The Lamont Petersen fight is under the Bradley-Campbell fight.

About the Bradley-Campbell fight: the fight is officially a No Contest. That is California State Athletic Comission that decides that, not random fans. The rules states very clearly, that if a fight is stopped before the end of the fourth round by a cut caused by an accidental headbutt, it is a No Contest. So everything is according to the rules. So I will bring this section in order in a couple of days, if there are no protests.

Fightdane (talk) 08:54, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be Bradley's Victory, he was the better fighter in those first 3 rounds it should be counted as TD. The referee ruled it as a win so it should be a win. It looks bad on his record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.50.94 (talk) 02:21, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bradley is a cheat! He didn't deserve to get the belt! Everyone knows Pacquiao won and he even knows that. I hate Timothy Bradley and whoever else cheated to help him win! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.255.108.147 (talk) 05:45, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fighting out of?

For the Bradley-Alexander fight, he was announced as fighting out of North Palm Springs. [1] I think that is where he is always announced as fighting out of. Is there any reason not to change the first sentence to reflect that?--Don King's hair (talk) 20:55, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vegan diet?

Shouldn't Bradley's vegan diet be mentioned on the page? There are various sources affirming that he views it as very important to his training: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204520204577247533423440946.html http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/2/28/2829768/pacquiao-vs-bradley-timothy-bradley-vegan-diet-next-fight-boxing-news — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.172.205.125 (talk) 06:45, 10 June 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Main event unofficial score cards for Pacquaio vs Bradley fight

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Source:[7] Writer Agency Scorecard Winner 1 Barry Tompkins Showtime 119-110 Pacquiao 2 Harold Lederman HBO 119-109 Pacquiao 3 Ray Markarian The Sweet Science 119-109 Pacquiao 4 Michael Marley Examiner 119-109 Pacquiao 5 Dan Rafael ESPN 119-109 Pacquiao 6 Vittorio Tafur San Francisco Chronicle 119-109 Pacquiao 7 Michael Woods The Sweet Science 119-109 Pacquiao 8 Ramon Aranda 3 More Rounds 118-110 Pacquiao 9 Mario Cabrera Boxing Republic 118-110 Pacquiao 10 Nigel Collins ESPN 118-110 Pacquiao 11 Mike Coppinger Ring Magazine 118-110 Pacquiao 12 Ace Freeman Fight Fan 118-110 Pacquiao 13 Rich Marotta KFI Los Angeles 118-110 Pacquiao 14 Kelsey McCarson The Sweet Science 118-110 Pacquiao 15 Gabriel Montoya MaxBoxing 118-110 Pacquiao 16 Pete O’Brien USA Today 118-110 Pacquiao 17 Eric Raskin Grantland 118-110 Pacquiao 18 Michael Rosenthal Ring Magazine 118-110 Pacquiao 19 Colin Seymour Examiner 118-110 Pacquiao 20 Ryan Songalia Ring Magazine 118-110 Pacquiao 21 Ryan Burton Boxing Scene 117-111 Pacquiao 22 Scott Christ Bad Left Hook 117-111 Pacquiao 23 Tim Dahlberg Associated Press 117-111 Pacquiao 24 Gareth Davies London Daily Telegraph 117-111 Pacquiao 25 Doug Fischer Ring Magazine 117-111 Pacquiao 26 David Greisman Boxing Scene 117-111 Pacquiao 27 Jorge Hernandez The Low Blow 117-111 Pacquiao 28 Kevin Iole Yahoo! Sports 117-111 Pacquiao 29 Robert Littal Black Sports Online 117-111 Pacquiao 30 Steve Kim Max Boxing 117-111 Pacquiao 31 Ryan Maquiñana Comcast SportsNet Bay Area 117-111 Pacquiao 32 David Mayo MLive 117-111 Pacquiao 33 Kieran Mulvaney HBO 117-111 Pacquiao 34 Lance Pugmire Los Angeles Times 117-111 Pacquiao 35 Chris Robinson Boxing Scene 117-111 Pacquiao 36 Cliff Rold Boxing Scene 117-111 Pacquiao 37 Champ Ross Da Truth Boxing 117-111 Pacquiao 38 Luis Sandoval Boxing Scene 117-111 Pacquiao 39 Jonathan Sakti Comcast SportsNet Bay Area 117-111 Pacquiao 40 Tim Starks Queensberry Rules 117-111 Pacquiao 41 Richie Tomassini Comcast SportsNet Bay Area 117-111 Pacquiao 42 Darren Velasco 8 Count News 117-111 Pacquiao 43 Rick Reeno Boxing Scene 116-112 Pacquiao 44 George Willis New York Post 116-112 Pacquiao 45 Steve Zemach Queensberry Rules 116-112 Pacquiao 46 Salmaan Ahmed Fight Today UK 116-112 Pacquiao 47 Armando Alvarez Telemundo 115-113 Pacquiao 48 Jake Donovan Boxing Scene 115-113 Pacquiao 49 Lem Satterfield Ring Magazine 115-113 Pacquiao 50 Thomas Hauser HBO 115-114 Bradley 51 Bart Barry HBO 116-115 Bradley 52 Brian Kenny Top Rank 116-112 Bradley 53 Springs Toledo The Sweet Science 117-112 Pacquiao 54 Michael Galvin RAF 116-112 Pacquiao

Total: Pacquiao 51, Bradley 3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.205 (talk) 00:48, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Professional Record =

Is the Bradley vs. Pacquio content in the note section necessary? Makes it all bunched up and unorganized. Just leave that in the section about the fight and not the professional record section. -Mcanmoocanu 20:07, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The WBO review doesn't belong in the notes section.--Don King's hair (talk) 07:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Move

It has been proposed in this section that Timothy Bradley be renamed and moved to Timothy Bradley, Jr..
Timothy Bradley → Timothy Bradley, Jr. – The fighter appears to go by Jr. example his twitter https://twitter.com/Timbradleyjr and official website http://timothydesertstormbradley.com/

Opposed. Reliable sources don't use the jr. For example [2]. That is also how he is listed in Boxrec.com.--Don King's hair (talk) 21:28, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The majority of sources suggest Timothy Bradley is the WP:COMMONNAME. Zarcadia (talk) 22:07, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WBO junior-welterweight champion

Read Timothy Bradley beats Devon Alexander to win WBC super-lightweight title. It says WBO junior-welterweight title and WBC super-lightweight.--Don King's hair (talk) 03:04, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't explain anything. Junior welterweight is just another name for Light welterweight. The official way to categorize it is Light Welterweight. Even your precious boxrec list it that way [3]. And all these links you keep posting when I gave you links and articles proving Tim bradley goes by Jr. but you didn't seem to care about that so why should I about this? --2Nyce (talk) 13:15, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, junior welterweight is the same weight class as light welterweight. Who made the name official? The WBO calls it the junior welterweight division. When listing a championship, we should use the name that is actually written on the belt. For example "Bradley opted to keep the WBO junior welterweight title."[4]

BoxRec has their own way for doing a whole lot of things that I don't agree with. If you would like to rename this article please discuss it in a seperate section. I do care about what it is named and if the WP:commonname is Jr. we should change it.--Don King's hair (talk) 20:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Response to third opinion request:

Official names dont necessarily mean anything. Per: Wikipedia:OFFICIAL. Take a read of that. But generally, if you were reading a boxing publication... which name would be used? Chances are that we should use that one. Just as we wouldn't insist on Guinea Pig being called Cavia porcellus, unless there was a specific reason to do so. Also, chances are if one name is on the belt itself, then thats what it should be called. -- Nbound (talk) 01:42, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The most respected boxing publication The Ring uses WBO junior welterweight. For example in Bradley eyes Pacquiao, discusses drug testing it says "RingTV.com spoke to WBO junior welterweight titleholder Tim Bradley..."--Don King's hair (talk) 19:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

3O Response: Generally this would be the name you would then use (as long as other sources were in agreement aswell). Check out WP:TITLE for other reasoning used to choose article titles that may or may not be applicable. Nbound (talk) 22:58, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Other sources are in agreement on using "WBO junior welterweight" when discussing the title. The New York Times writes "He was referring to the W.B.O. junior welterweight champion Timothy Bradley ..." in [5]. As shown above, The Guardian, The Ring and the WBO write it this way.--Don King's hair (talk) 20:42, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neither Don King's hair or TwoNyce have a clue what the format of weight divisions, titles, and record tables should be.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.111.119.202 (talk) 11:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Move II

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. The nominator withdrew his request. Don King's hair (talk) 00:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was proposed in this section that Timothy Bradley be renamed and moved to Timothy Bradley, Jr..

The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment.

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Timothy Bradley → Timothy Bradley, Jr. – Sources to implicate name change [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14]. The same thing that is done with Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Roy Jones, Jr. should be done here. relisted Tiggerjay (talk) 06:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)--2Nyce (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Those are two reliable sources that use the Jr. Here are more that don't: The New York Times [15], USA Today [16], The Guardian [17] and BoxRec.com.--Don King's hair (talk) 18:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment His own website has him as "Tim" Bradley Jr., so I think that holds more say than any other source out there. Even his own personal twitter reads "Timothy Bradley Jr". --2Nyce (talk) 20:23, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On the homepage of his web site I see "Timothy ″Desert Storm″ Bradley" once, "Timothy Bradley" three times, "Tim Bradley" once, "Tim Bradley Jr." once and "Timothy Bradley, Jr." zero times.--Don King's hair (talk) 19:11, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Go read again. His own personal twitter and im gonna put the link for you AGAIN [18] reads "Timothy Bradley Jr." I rest my case --2Nyce 15:20, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - the naming convention should be based on what their WP:COMMONNAME is. Based on the majority of references used in the article itself, they make no mention of the suffix, Jr. As such I am inclined to leave the article as it currently is. The subjects preference for the inclusion of Jr is of minor significance here. Tiggerjay (talk) 06:00, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.