Talk:Twitter/Archive 4
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Sponsored Tweets
The Revenue sources section has a bit about "promoted tweets", but I searched the article for "sponsored" and got no matches. Might be interesting (and noteworthy enough) to mention Sponsored Tweets. A quick Google search shows me that at least one company (AP; [1]) and at least one actor (Michael Ian Black; [2]) have published Sponsored Tweets. The company itself about it here, the FTC about it here. I don't really feel like writing a concept text about it myself, but maybe someone else feels like it, therefore I decided to add this information to the Talk page. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 18:21, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Twitter's active users are close to 300 million
Twitter's active users are close to 300 million. http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/23/twitter-launches-twitter-amplify-for-real-time-videos-in-stream-partnering-with-bbc-fox-fuse-and-weather-channel/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.231.21.56 (talk) 20:18, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Lots of outdated info
Lots of data, especially in the "Usage" section, is from 2009. I don't think four year old data is good enough on such a dynamic subject, and in the instances where more recent information has been added in a following paragraph, the old data should be removed or maybe in some cases moved to the "history" section. Examples:
- According to a study by Sysomos in June 2009, women make up a slightly larger Twitter demographic than men
- ... market-research firm Pear Analytics analyzed 2,000 tweets ... in August 2009
Maybe an editor more knowledgeable about the subject than me is interested in doing some research and updating? Mumiemonstret (talk) 08:54, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Tony Wang
I wanted to create a redirect to Twitter from Tony Wang after reading this news story in which he is quoted. I see he is also referenced in the article. However, unfortunately the page Tony Wang is subject to full protection, so I can't do it. Could someone with admin powers perhaps take a look? Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Edit Protected
"...with additional servers and offices in New York City, Boston, and San Antonio" should read "...with additional servers and offices in New York City, Boston, Atlanta, and San Antonio"
24.99.146.140 (talk) 02:03, 7 August 2013 (UTC)EJ - 8/5/2013
- Twitter does appear to have servers in Atlanta although this source is less than ideally worded.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:48, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
"Report abuse" button
This Criticism section was trimmed per WP:RECENTISM and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. The Jane Austen banknote material is not of major relevance here, and can be approached via the citations. This has been an ongoing issue for some time, eg this CNET article shows a tweet containing a bomb threat to Time magazine Europe Editor Catherine Mayer.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:32, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
So the problem is ongoing. How long does the problem have to continue before it stops being a recent news item and becomes ongoing criticism meriting a section in Wikipedia? I'm not getting into a serious edit war now.
- If new policies by Twitter management stop further problems clearly there will be no grounds for a criticism section over this.
- If complaints continue and whatever Twitter introduces is insufficient to protect users from harassment eventually a criticism section will be justified in this article. Proxima Centauri (talk) 14:53, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
- Criticism sections are not good Wikipedia writing style, and may be tagged with Template:Criticism section. At the moment, this is an ongoing news story and needs time to settle down. The "Report abuse" button" is a common sense idea, but there is more to this than meets the eye. No sensible person would post a bomb threat from their home IP address, as police would knock on the door very quickly. This suggests that various Twitter users are misusing proxy servers to evade detection and blocks. This type of abuse was happening long before people such as Mary Beard and Caroline Criado-Perez complained.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:09, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
- I think we agree this needs time to settle down. Proxima Centauri (talk) 15:25, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
- Re this edit: The "man brandishing a knife" that the media keeps mentioning is Michael Myers from the Halloween (1978 film) series. This was sent to Stella Creasy on 3 August by user @Murkztah, who is now suspended.[3] It is unclear whether @Murkztah is one of the three people who has been arrested so far.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:31, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
- I think we agree this needs time to settle down. Proxima Centauri (talk) 15:25, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
- Criticism sections are not good Wikipedia writing style, and may be tagged with Template:Criticism section. At the moment, this is an ongoing news story and needs time to settle down. The "Report abuse" button" is a common sense idea, but there is more to this than meets the eye. No sensible person would post a bomb threat from their home IP address, as police would knock on the door very quickly. This suggests that various Twitter users are misusing proxy servers to evade detection and blocks. This type of abuse was happening long before people such as Mary Beard and Caroline Criado-Perez complained.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:09, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Florian Weber
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I think that a reference to Florian Weber should be added in the History section, possibly replacing:
- The first Twitter prototype was used as an internal service
with:
- The first Twitter prototype, developed by Dorsey and contractor Florian Weber, was used as an internal service
Citing this article: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-twitter-was-founded-2011-4?op=1
Hazpotts (talk) 01:34, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Done @Hazpotts:. Mdann52 (talk) 16:10, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Proposed stock market listing
This does not need to be in the lead section per WP:RECENTISM. Twitter has not given a timescale for this and it has yet to happen, so WP:CRYSTAL applies here.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:46, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
Length of article
The main body of text in the article is now over 100 kB, which has issues with WP:SIZERULE. The article may need to be split and also needs some trimming. The IPO section was trimmed because a lot of it was WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. Details about this should be left to the citations. Quotes from company spokespersons are also best avoided per WP:PRIMARY.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:28, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
- The details "outages" and "privacy & security" (which are just iterating the various security breaks) can be trimmed down. Major security issues should be part of the criticism section but we don't need every temporary problem. --MASEM (t) 17:49, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed, there are considerable problems with the length and navigability of the article in its current form. IMHO it needs a major overhaul in the structuring, but as ever finding the time is a problem.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) An outline of my views:
- The "Privacy and security" section doesn't need to be that big on this page, does it? One of the many sub-articles could probably host much of it. If a relevant one doesn't exist, something similar to Criticism of Apple Inc. could be created.
- Parts of the article seem to deserve to live together. "Authentication" could be rolled into "Privacy and security", which could all go disappear!
- In fact, the whole "Technology" section could be trimmed right back. Much of it describes minor changes or otherwise not notable statistics that alterations brought about.
- "Growth" is very bloated, and I see no reason for the existence of the "Logo" section outside of a small mention in the "History" section.
- Similarly, "Leadership" could get stuck into "History" and the whole lot could be streamlined, pretty much retooling "Creation and initial reaction" into an 'operating history' section.
- The "Content" section replicates a pie chart. I don't think both are needed.
- "Trending topics" seems to delve into a less encyclopaedic area.
- "Finances" could quite easily fit into "History", and extraneous content on alterations to the advertising platform trimmed.
- The "Outages" section covers stuff that's not even as useful as a changelog. I personally think that only the major social events that cause outages are actually notable, and these could be integrated into their sections on the Twitter usage page.
- What is the "Interface" section doing all on its own? What little remains after a cut could be placed in the relevant parts of other sections, such as alterations to suit new compatibility.
- That's most of it, and I'll take a look sometime soon at enacting anything from the above that people agree with. drewmunn talk 18:01, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Twitter has a Detroit office. please add. thanks sfdoctorp
Please correct the office list of Boston, San Antonio, to include the Detroit office. Credible reference is CBS 60 minutes, among various others. on the twitter corp page, we don't list our office locations. Sfdoctorp (talk) 06:15, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
- I take it from your use of "we" that you are affiliated with Twitter? Unfortunately, we can't take any single person's word for something, and would need you to provide a reliable source (although you have suggested one above, we'd need actual details including URL, or episode numbers and time codes for broadcasts). Also, I would suggest clearly noting in any request you make on a page related to a company you are affiliated with that you cannot edit the article yourself due to a conflict of interest. This ensures people understand your position, and can ensure a subjective decision is reached. Thanks! drewmunn talk 06:49, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/JobDetroit
http://www.freep.com/article/20120404/NEWS01/120404018/Twitter-to-open-office-in-downtown-Detroit
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57607205/detroit-on-the-edge/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfdoctorp (talk • contribs) 07:09, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
- Done, since this is a straightforward factual statement, WP:COI does not really apply here.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:23, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
- Cheers, I completely forgot to come back here. I only brought COI up here to ensure against any issues occurring into future. drewmunn talk 16:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
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Replace the twitter was born by brain storming session at Odeo to Jack Dorsey getting the Idea of Status update of Emergency Vehicles from a Police Scanner. http://tusb.stanford.edu/2011/05/jack-dorsey-on-the-history-of-twitter-and-square.html ````
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- This is similar to YouTube, where several different stories have been given as the seed for the idea that later became YouTube. The story about Jack Dorsey's interest in radio scanners supplements the existing one rather than fully replacing it. Also, it would help if a more mainstream source picked up on this.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:26, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Not done. Sorry, but you need to find a reliable source for your claims, and you also need to make sure you have a consensus here to make the changes you suggest. And per our neutrality policy we will need to include all the stories that reliable sources report on - we can't leave any of them out if they are credible and the sources are reliable for the claims they are making. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 01:47, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
First tweet history appears incorrect
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The entry states that "Work on the project started on March 21, 2006, when Dorsey published the first Twitter message at 9:50 PM Pacific Standard Time (PST): "just setting up my twttr". Noah Glass actually had the first tweet according to his Twitter page, which is the same tweet "just setting up my twttr" but is time stamped at 1:00 PM Pacific Standard Time on March 21, 2006. See https://twitter.com/noah.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhlambdin (talk • contribs) 15:33, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- Jack Dorsey is generally cited as sending the first tweet.[4] The specific links are:
- Jack Dorsey's tweet here ("just setting up my twttr")
- Noah's tweet here (which also says "just setting up my twttr")
Noah's tweet is ten minutes later. Maybe confusion over the time zone caused this.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Twitter shares triple in valuation
Headline: "Twitter Rally Races Higher"
"Twitter shares have nearly tripled since their initial public offering last month, including an almost 5% gain on Thursday, making the microblogging site's IPO one of the best-performing this year." — FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 06:21, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Sacco
Justine Sacco's getting fired for a bad tweet probably deserves a mention.[5] WP:BLP1E says Being in the news does not in itself mean that someone should be the subject of a Wikipedia article (emphasis mine), not that they shouldn't be mentioned in any article. See also Dooced. NE Ent 04:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
- This has considerable issues with WP:RECENTISM. It is not the first time that a person has regretted a tweet due to failing to follow the "think before you post" rule. The Sacco tweet is a lame and unwise joke, similar to the one which set off the Twitter Joke Trial.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
- True, but there is no mention in the article of one the hazards of twitter is that a tweet can go viral and cause harm to the tweeter. See [6]. Setting aside the issue of whether or not Sacco should be mentioned, should the issue as a whole be covered?--Nowa (talk) 19:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- This is broadly true of all social networking sites, not just Twitter. This CNN article takes a looks at the issue.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:31, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- Are there more articles in the same vein? Perhaps we could expand Social_media#Privacy--Nowa (talk) 21:39, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- This is broadly true of all social networking sites, not just Twitter. This CNN article takes a looks at the issue.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:31, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- True, but there is no mention in the article of one the hazards of twitter is that a tweet can go viral and cause harm to the tweeter. See [6]. Setting aside the issue of whether or not Sacco should be mentioned, should the issue as a whole be covered?--Nowa (talk) 19:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Also see IAC_(company)#Sacco_Incident and Talk:IAC_(company)#Sacco_Incident. I am unconvinced that the incident merits a section in the IAC_(company) article. Thanks, JoeSperrazza (talk) 14:54, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Understood. Are you saying there should be no mention of the incident in Wikipedia or that there is a better place for it?--Nowa (talk) 16:42, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- I believe there is a better place for it than IAC_(company)#Sacco_Incident. JoeSperrazza (talk) 20:49, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Where should we put it?--Nowa (talk) 22:07, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- It's here on the TALK page;for now,that might be enough. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 22:20, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Where should we put it?--Nowa (talk) 22:07, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- I believe there is a better place for it than IAC_(company)#Sacco_Incident. JoeSperrazza (talk) 20:49, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Understood. Are you saying there should be no mention of the incident in Wikipedia or that there is a better place for it?--Nowa (talk) 16:42, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Proposed merge with Twitterbot
Not enough detail to be it's own separate article. TheEpTic (talk) 13:14, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
- Merge? That article should just redirect here. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 13:28, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
- I somewhat agree, although it would make more sense if we just add a section about the bots that live on Twitter. TheEpTic (talk) 14:11, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
- I agree with the merge idea, as I think the information contained in the article should be preserved somehow. BurfyAdkins (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:38, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
- The biggest part of Twitterbot is a list, which is not good Wikipedia writing style. Twitterbots are not a noteworthy feature of the site to the extent that they need to be listed. Sections headed "Examples of x include a, b and c" should be avoided.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
- Students in my class are doing a Wikipedia editing assignment to expand this stub. We would like to remove the redirect and expand this article. Students will add sources and content. Cleeder (talk) 03:47, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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The sentence in the first paragraph that reads: 'Registered users can read and post tweets, but unregistered users can only read them' is incorrect and misleading because one has to be registered in order to even read tweets. Therefore the sentence should be removed, and for additional clarity the word 'registered' should be inserted between 'enables' and 'users' in the first sentence.
I have tried to access twitter without being registered and ascertained that it does not work.
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Not done I don't know what profile you're trying to view, but when I attempted to view this profile while logged out, I was still able to read tweets. gsk 01:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
- The wording is correct. It is not necessary to have an account or log in to read tweets, only to post them. This can be checked for example with Barack Obama's Twitter feed. The exception is accounts where the tweets are protected, but most accounts do not use this feature.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:46, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Whisper Systems
There is no mention of Whisper Systems in the "Privacy and security" section (or anywhere else in the article, for that matter). It was acquired by Twitter in 2011. [7] --Dodi 8238 (talk) 15:39, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- This could be a "See also" but it is not directly related to the website of Twitter.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:19, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Never mind. It can be found on List of mergers and acquisitions by Twitter. --Dodi 8238 (talk) 23:56, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Boolean-search feature is available in Twitter
Headine-1: How Boolean Search Improves Your Social Media Monitoring
QUOTE: “ Many of the main social networks accept some form of traditional Boolean search operators, as well as their own, to help users identify specific information about content, brand mentions, even other users.” [This article has five tips, and high praise.] — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 19:32, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Twitter trolling an effective weapon for Global War of Terror
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20140403.aspx Here even the U.S. State Department found it effective to assign people to respond to terrorist tweets.
Do we have a better source for this? Hcobb (talk) 11:23, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Links
>> Turkey urges social media firms to pay taxLihaas (talk) 13:30, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
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Although Twitter is the first to use SMS to broadcast texts, the University of Michigan used a program called B-page written in C, to broadcast the same amount of information to text pagers in 1998. Sm0knGun (talk) 00:56, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 01:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
correction or enhancement for lead section
Currently in the lead paragraph there is a list of local offices referenced by ...#cite-note-10 this could more appropriately be referenced to https://about.twitter.com/company & include non-American offices — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.131.195 (talk) 01:52, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
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The following sources are not returning the correct page. I have provided the source number, the incorrect link and the correct link below:
6. engineering.twitter.com/2011/04/twitter-search-is-now-3x-faster_1656.html - https://blog.twitter.com/2011/twitter-search-now-3x-faster 13. engineering.twitter.com/2011/05/engineering-behind-twitters-new-search.html - https://blog.twitter.com/2011/engineering-behind-twitter%E2%80%99s-new-search-experience
Twitter have not implemented an automatic redirect on these links.
There are more, but as this is my first edit I'll work on them slowly. Thank you.
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Please add additional event under Growth section right before "On June 4, 2014, Twitter announced that it will acquire." Please add On March 27, 2014, Twitter announced a new music strategy [1]> but did not provide further details on the strategy but industry experts [2] predict the strategy involves pushing Twitter towards a music platform. Ec2929 (talk) 02:57, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
- ^ Wall Street Journal (March 27, 2014). "Twitter to Relaunch Music Strategy". Retrieved June 4, 2014.
- ^ Chang, Elizabeth. "Twitter's Big Weakness and Why It Could Fail". K-Pop Meets the USA. Retrieved June 4, 2014.
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Same blog - same problem. The young lady writes intelligently, but is not a reliable source for the claims. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 15:11, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
GCHQ
Re this edit: the material about GCHQ is being added to multiple articles in a careless way. [8] is a primary source document which establishes no context for the reader. There should be a secondary source discussing this material. In its current form, Wikipedia is being spammed with multiple mentions of a single source here. Unless another source can be found, this is being blown up out of all proportion.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:21, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Add to religion
https://twitter.com/Pontifex Pope Francis has one, should be listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.81.199.193 (talk) 07:53, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Founders
"Edward Cramer" is not a founder (that I know of/can find with a quick google search), and should be removed from that section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.126.73.33 (talk) 05:23, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
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I want to change the statistices of most foloowed accounts. please allow me to do so. Ralu7 (talk) 15:29, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Tutelary (talk) 15:33, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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The number of offices around the world is no longer 25 it is now 26 after Twitter's purchase of Gnip http://blogs.denverpost.com/techknowbytes/2014/05/12/boulder-celebrate-closing-twitters-purchase-gnip-public-event-june-4/13608/ 157.182.213.36 (talk) 04:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
- When they update it on their profile it can be updated in the article. Anyway, "more than 25" includes 26. Stickee (talk) 04:39, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
"Signup denied"
Re this edit: For me, the citation given is a login page which does not mention the problem (screenshot here). Also, I couldn't find anything about this in a reliable secondary source. If you are having problems with signing up or logging in to Twitter, it would be best to ask them why.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 11:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- The edit that you have reverted mentions signups from personal computers being denied, not logins. The provided primary source from Twitter proved the case. If we went by your logic and rely only on secondary sources, then Wikipedia would be nothing more than a speculation and conspiracy website. But I can understand your determination to prevent getting this information into the article if you work for Twitter. Have a good day. 77.175.111.57 (talk) 11:43, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- WP:PRIMARY sources are rarely satisfactory if they are not mentioned in secondary sources. I've never come across this before, and could not find any secondary sources referring to it. Even if true, this leads to questions about its notability.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- I think this is notable because signups are required for people who want to use Twitter, and I assume this is something that people might want to be aware of. Happyonwiki (talk) 12:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- When something is notable, it will normally have appeared in reliable secondary sources. I couldn't even find any blog or forum threads mentioning this problem, which is unusual. If possible, please could you take a screenshot of the message, and note down any links that you are being given.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- I think this is notable because signups are required for people who want to use Twitter, and I assume this is something that people might want to be aware of. Happyonwiki (talk) 12:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- Here are two message board sources: [9] [10] If you want to have more, you need to do an actual search instead of just talking. 77.175.111.57 (talk) 12:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- OK thanks, you can learn something new every day. I'm still concerned about the notability and WP:NOTHOWTO aspect, because this does not appear to be a common problem. The sourcing does not say why this message appears. A guess is that this message may appear if JavaScript is turned off. JavaScript is required for the web version of the Twitter site to work correctly. Either that or the IP address is being blocked to prevent abusive signups. It is a mystery. This is the normal Twitter signup page; I'm not having any problems at the moment.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:05, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- Here are two message board sources: [9] [10] If you want to have more, you need to do an actual search instead of just talking. 77.175.111.57 (talk) 12:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- I have read somewhere that you need to complete the signup page before you arrive at the Signup Denied page. You are welcome. 77.175.111.57 (talk) 13:16, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- Right now, without any secondary source that highlights the problem, it is original research to assume this is an intentional/malicious action by Twitter to some potential users. As ianmacm points out this could be a simple issue of not properly allowing Javascript to run. Forum posts cannot be used as sources for this type of statement. --MASEM (t) 13:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- You got this the other way around. This WOULD be speculation were it relying on secondary sources instead of the provided primary source from Twitter. But you are an administrator on Wikipedia, so I guess you make the rules here. Anyone else willing to touch the subject, this is the content that was removed from the article. 77.175.111.57 (talk) 14:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Twitter is currently denying signups from personal computers in some places, and prompting users to instead use Twitter from mobile phones with the following message: [11]
Signup Denied
We cannot create a new account from this computer. Download the free Twitter app for your Android or iPhone, and start using Twitter on your phone instead.
- You got this the other way around. This WOULD be speculation were it relying on secondary sources instead of the provided primary source from Twitter. But you are an administrator on Wikipedia, so I guess you make the rules here. Anyone else willing to touch the subject, this is the content that was removed from the article. 77.175.111.57 (talk) 14:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- You, as a WP editor, cannot say "Twitter has this message" and come out with the conclusion "Twitter is effectively forcing people to use their smartphones instead of computers to use Twitter". A secondary source from a reliable source would be able to make that claim (say, if the Wall Street Journal made that statement). Alternatively, if Twitter themselves had a FAQ that said "There are limited situations where we cannot allow users to use Twitter via browser due to..." then we can use that. But just presenting the message and claiming this is a situation is original research and absolutely disallowed. --MASEM (t) 15:16, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- "source from a reliable source" - yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I'm so glad that I don't think like you do. 77.175.111.57 (talk) 15:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- I said "secondary second from a reliable source". That's exactly how we work on WP, per WP:V and WP:OR. --MASEM (t) 15:45, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- "source from a reliable source" - yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I'm so glad that I don't think like you do. 77.175.111.57 (talk) 15:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- Better read again what you said. You also said that Wall Street Journal is a reliable source, another thing I disagree with. 77.175.111.57 (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- WSJ is considers a highly reliable source by WP. It's not what you think is an RS. --MASEM (t) 16:01, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- Better read again what you said. You also said that Wall Street Journal is a reliable source, another thing I disagree with. 77.175.111.57 (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- That explains everything. 77.175.111.57 (talk) 16:09, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- The two forum sources [12] and [13] both date from August 2014, so it is possible that Twitter has changed its signup rules in some way in the last few days. WP:UNDUE is also involved, because it should be possible to find some reliable secondary sources referring to this. On the basis of the current sourcing, it isn't really verifiable or noteworthy enough to mention. Watch this space, if other people keep getting this message, it may receive more widespread coverage.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:40, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, it may be a new change, and particularly with the recent noise over Justin.tv/Twitch being a much bigger story, this change in Twitter may not yet have the newsworthiness to be discovered by others. If someone does report the apparent change, we can then consider it possible. --MASEM (t) 15:45, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- The two forum sources [12] and [13] both date from August 2014, so it is possible that Twitter has changed its signup rules in some way in the last few days. WP:UNDUE is also involved, because it should be possible to find some reliable secondary sources referring to this. On the basis of the current sourcing, it isn't really verifiable or noteworthy enough to mention. Watch this space, if other people keep getting this message, it may receive more widespread coverage.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:40, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I did some research into this, and it looks like an automated system to stop the creation of spam accounts. If you use a domain like @gmail.com, @hotmail.com or another legit one, this message is less likely to appear. If you use a disposable e-mail address, like GuerrillaMail or Sharklasers, you get this everytime. To assertain this, just change the e-mail of an account (already established) to anything from GuerrillaMail/Sharklasers/Spam4me, and the account will be suspended in seconds (you need to answer a CAPTCHA to get it back, simple stuff). This doesn't seem to be a widespread occurrence, so that's probably why no tech sources make a reference to it. 189.90.30.2 (talk) 02:24, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
140 Character limit, why not 160?
The SMS limit on text is only as low as 140 when an 8-bit character set is used. If the text being sent encodes in a 7-bit set, then the limit is 160. I wonder why Twitter didn't make use of this. It's easy to parse the tweet being composed so far and keep the remaining characters limit starting at 160 and only drop it by 20 if someone enters a character that's beyond normal (original 7 bit) ASCII range (like thësë önës). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.217.181.89 (talk) 06:29, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Sensor Networks on Twitter
I am interested in sensor networks being run through Twitter. I've not been able to find out much about this type of automation, in which sensors from the field send data out via Twitter to followers. The most famous example is @BeijingAir, but I think there must be others and would like to know about these.
- If you would be willing to go out and find multiple reliable sources supporting these claims and their relevancy, I (and I'd assume other users) would be willing to add the content to the page. I do not know enough on the subject but if you can provide sources, we can collectively add this information. Hope this helps! Meatsgains (talk) 01:30, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
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I want to add in information regarding Twitters new built in video service. Wikiguy349 (talk) 06:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- This has been in the news [14] but the service has not been launched yet, so there is an element of WP:CRYSTAL. It would be best to wait until the service is launched.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:31, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Valid banners & possible reassessment?
I have seen some cleanup banners around the page that were planted recently. I will try and look into seeing if these are still valid, and possibly create a reassessment, but considering that I don't really have the time to devote my entire day to the issue, I thought I'd tell other Wikipedians about it. Maybe a couple people could come here and we could work out the issue? I don't know. I'm going to work on it though. Thatguytestw 00:23, 3 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thatguytestw (talk • contribs)
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Change number of employees to 3600. Source: https://about.twitter.com/company Fluffy379 (talk) 13:45, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Done and Thank you --Chamith (talk) 17:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Exactly what IS twitter?
your twitter will suck butt if you don't follow me, therefore, follow me @LovableMatthew
Exactly what IS twitter? ---Dagme (talk) 18:41, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
- How would these 140 character messages that you can already send be read by many? If you're just sending a SMS/Text, then it's only readable by the list of people you send it to, and it's private. Nobody else gets to see it. Twitter is essentially a one-to-many relationship. With Twitter, their platform allws you to broadcast your tweets to everyone who chooses to listen (follows you). By using hashtags, you get to broadcast beyond your following audience even, and are broadcasting to all who follow the hashtag. On the receiving side, you choose who to follow and which hashtags you're interested in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.217.180.142 (talk) 21:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- It's not a social network, even if some folks use it as one. It's a means of broadcasting messages on the web. All you do is public, so it's publishing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.125.253.87 (talk) 16:35, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Twitter and this article are awful. Where's the criticism and controversy section?
You were than happy to include one for FaceBook and MySpace, but nothing for this godawful social network. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.130.207.205 (talk) 05:45, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
- I'll see what I can do. Don't expect to see it any time soon, though. Thatguytestw 03:04, 15 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thatguytestw (talk • contribs)
Follow
I think that this would benefit from a description of what it means to "follow" on Twitter. And that Follow (disambiguation) would benefit from a line pointing to that description. Tx. --Epeefleche (talk) 09:37, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Change picture
Perhaps a timeline picture would be more useful than the log in?--88.104.132.120 (talk) 23:06, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with this--88.104.133.87 (talk) 16:19, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
- This is Twitter's timeline, but I'm not sure if it works well as a thumbnail for the infobox.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:38, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
I think that you should try it--88.104.133.87 (talk) 18:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
- Changing the infobox image requires WP:CONSENSUS, as it is not a good idea to go back and forth with different images. Other views on changing the infobox image are welcome.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:47, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
- How do we get consensus then?--88.104.138.119 (talk) 19:17, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- At the moment, no-one else has chimed in with a request to change the picture. The standard practice is to give a screenshot of the home page of a website in the infobox, such as at Facebook or YouTube. The screenshot of Twitter's home page isn't all that exciting, but I'm not sure that the timeline works better.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
- Hmm. I agree with the YouTube one as is still indicative of the use of the website, but I've asked what they think about the Facebook one now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.138.119 (talk) 13:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC) * Sorry I forgot to sign.--88.104.138.119 (talk) 13:53, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
- Might be difficult to get a consensus on changing the photo, however the current one is most widely recognized as Twitter. TrainsOnTime (talk) 18:57, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
- How would we get consensus?--88.104.132.1 (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
What is the point?
The article says:
"Twitter is an online social networking service that enables users to send and read short 140-character messages called "tweets"."
I don't know much about Twitter, but I knew that. My question is: I understand that images can be sent on twitter. Clearly any reasonable image would have a far larger file size than a 140 character text file. So, my question is: What is the point? ---Dagme (talk) 01:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- You can send images on Twitter
This is confusing.Please clarify--88.104.132.1 (talk) 17:56, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- I don't want to be mean, but this is not what talk pages are used for. Talk pages are used for discussions for improving the article that the talk page attributes to, not general talk about the article. The yellow banner/cluster-of-infoboxes at the top of every talk page, (the last bulletin of) WP:TPNO and (the second bulletin of) WP:TALK#USE all state this. Sorry man. tgtw 02:54, 6 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thatguytestw (talk • contribs)
CEO
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Dick Costolo will no longer be CEO. Instead interim CEO will be Jack Doresy as of July 1 Tweet Manuels World (talk) 20:19, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
- So he's still CEO at this point, and will be until July 1. Stickee (talk) 23:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Proposed Twitter Section re: Proposed legal class action to regulate Twitter
Advice needed on a proposed addition to the Twitter page.
Lawyers are currently investigating proposed Class Actions in respect of Twitter activities. These will include allegations of Abuse of a Dominant Position with a complaint to the EU Commission; and a separate European Court of Human Rights action alleging Censorship and thereby contravention of Article 10 (the right to freedom of expression). The basis of this is that Twitter has suspended the Write feature on 2 accounts which published INDEPENDENT Opinion Polls and Public Opinion Surveys on the forthcoming EU Referendum in the United Kingdom. It is suggested that Twitter came under pressure from British Government agencies as these public opinion surveys were potentially damaging to the position of UK Ministers.
Arguably such an addition of information on the Twitter page would be in the public interest, and thus comments and suggestions on how best one might include this information on the Twitter page would be greatly appreciated. BDFPLAW (talk) 17:40, 19 June 2015 (UTC)BDFP Law Firm--BDFPLAW (talk) 17:40, 19 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BDFPLAW (talk • contribs) 06:57, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Proposed merge with Noah Glass
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Minimal notability outside of involvement with Twitter §FreeRangeFrogcroak 20:47, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose Noah Glass isn't a very long article, but as one of the founders of Twitter he is worth his own article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose He deserves his own article.--88.111.129.157 (talk) 12:15, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose One of founders of Twitter definitely needs a separate article. CarnivorousBunnytalk 00:17, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
- Merge He lacks any notability outside of Twitter.--88.104.132.1 (talk) 12:06, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Merge There is no biographical information about him worthy of being included in an article that doesn't have an association with Twitter per WP:BIO. Along with his article being short, I wholeheartedly agree that Noah Glass should be merged with Twitter. tgtw 02:41, 6 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thatguytestw (talk • contribs)
- Oppose Noah Glass' article should be his own and contains information about him that doesn't fit in the Twitter article because it is not Twitter-related. Mechanic1c (talk) 14:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Logo and main page appearance
This is how I am currently seeing the main page https://twitter.com/ . It uses a blue bird on a white background. I am puzzled by File:Twitter homepage.png which is used in the infobox, because I have never seen this. Can anyone explain why this discrepancy is happening?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
- This is how archive.org saw the page on 2 July 2015. It is possible that people in the USA are seeing this, but not in other countries. I am in the UK.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
- Your link is the older design; I currently see the 2nd link in the US. Possibly it's being rolled out in the US before other countries.— Preceding unsigned comment added by OMPIRE (talk • contribs) 18:08, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yes that's right, I found this in the official Twitter blog from April 2015. The page says that "We’re introducing the new twitter.com on desktop to U.S. users first, and intend to bring it to more places over time." So there is a discrepancy at the moment in how users in different countries are seeing the main page.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
- Your link is the older design; I currently see the 2nd link in the US. Possibly it's being rolled out in the US before other countries.— Preceding unsigned comment added by OMPIRE (talk • contribs) 18:08, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
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Please add this (if appropriate) to the “Issues and controversies” section:-
Censorship Issues
On or about the 17 June 2015 Twitter, Inc. (and/or other Twitter operating entities) censored or blocked 2 Twitter accounts operated by Journalists which published or disseminated independent Public Opinion Polls and Surveys derived from original data researched by an independent Public Opinion / Surveying research company. [1][2] It was originally reported that Twitter had been coerced by the British Government because these surveys concerned public opinion regarding the Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union. Subsequently a British Government official confirmed to journalists that the censorship was orchestrated by UK Independence Party (UKIP) political activists whom are anti-UK government and anti-European Union. The British Government’s GCHQ agency monitors all Twitter activity, including the UKIP activists.
The Twitter General Counsel, Vijaya Gadde, was contacted by a law firm, and then a journalist covering the story; however Twitter failed to respond. An investigation [3] is now being conducted into Twitter companies, inter alia, Twitter Inc, Twitter International Company, and associated entities, in respect of breaches of European Union, Council of Europe, and national legislation and provisions.
The basis of this investigation is to evaluate evidence which impacts on one or more Class Actions which would allege:
1. Abuse of a dominant position, contrary to Article 102 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
2. Censorship or Restriction of Freedom of Expression as guaranteed by Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights.
Given Twitter’s precarious finances any adverse publicity which would impact on potential advertisers, and/or any substantial fine imposed on Twitter by the European Commission for breaches of Article 102, may drive the company out of business. If the matter reaches the European Court of Human Rights, as with the Google case, Twitter will be subject to more regulation and will have to make significant changes in their operating procedures and public accountability.
BDFPLAW (talk) 19:27, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Not done From reference 3, you appear to be trying to use Wikipedia to promote your law company, whilst much of the latter half is pure speculation.
Please also read the warning about your unacceptable user name on your user page here - Arjayay (talk) 18:23, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Bravo. To hell with potential threats to Freedom of the Press. Long Live Pedantry. BDFPLAW (talk) 14:58, 8 July 2015 (UTC) Awaiting an acceptable user name
Note:
In common slang: A twit is a fool, an idiot. A twitterer: a houswife with nothing to do but spin housewife tails. In victorian times, you would call it, ´the vibrator´ (as per the movie). In groupi-ism terms: the follow you without effort machine, so that a woman can know when your next concert is, know whom your new consort is, and be able to move in to get your baby right in between, or shoot you dead because of a attachment severed.
It´s a damned fool way to die (Melbourne metro jingle). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.208.174.60 (talk) 00:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Controversies:
Under controversies, kindly place the number of individuals dead, by and through asuming massive support where in reality it was nothing but a few twitters retwitting and linking en mass, as per a troyan worm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.208.174.60 (talk) 02:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Funding:
It is quite a bit more interesting to know where exactly those funds went into. Purchasing of real estate, for example, is in no form nor manner in any relationship to computer systems to maintain a network. The SEC information contains this, or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.208.174.60 (talk) 02:52, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Literati and Twitterati
"Twitterati" needs more of an explanation. Perhaps a relationship or non-relationship to literati should be stated/explained. --Burst of unj (talk) 08:41, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- Twitterati" is a portmanteau word based on a combination of Twitter and literati. This is mentioned in Wiktionary, but I'm not sure if it is notable enough for a mention here.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:01, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
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/Periscope_(app) is a subsidiary of twitter just as vine is. Jakemichaeldrew (talk) 13:15, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Chamith (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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Twitter’s leadership has consistently been criticized for the company’s chronically flagging stock price, “sluggish user growth and its repeated failures to make its products more appealing.” [4] Venture capitalist Peter Thiel called Twitter “a horribly mismanaged company — probably a lot of pot-smoking going on there.” [5] [6] [7]
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Not done The part about pot-smoking has WP:BLP issues, while "Twitter’s leadership has consistently been criticized" lacks WP:NPOV.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:47, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Verified Accounts
The last point in the features included with verified accounts is not a feature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.37.27 (talk) 13:14, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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Leadership Timeline
The leadership timeline is really confusing and doesn't explain how Dorsey became CEO again. Manys (talk) 18:39, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Adding "news" to lead
Hi. Twitter recently re-categorized its iOS app as a "News" app rather than "Social networking". I think this article should reflect the change in the lead, because the service has gained distinction for its ability to cover live events. But I wanted to discuss it here first. My thoughts are to change the lead into "an online social networking and news service". Source: http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/28/11530550/twitter-social-networking-news-app-facebook. Thoughts? :) LocalNet (talk) 20:53, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
- Twitter started out as a microblogging site. It has never been quite the same thing as a social network. In Twitter's identity crisis: Is it a social network or news app?, CNET says "Is Twitter going through some sort of midlife identity crisis? The app now is listed under "News" in the App Store instead of the social networking category." This is how Twitter now wants to present itself, but Twitter is a long way off from being CNN. As things stand, it isn't notable enough for the WP:LEAD, but it could be mentioned later on that this rebranding in the app store has occurred.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:52, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
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66.39.232.100 (talk) 17:17, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Twitter chats (also known as Tweet chats)
Twitter chats are live conversations on Twitter around a preannounced hashtagged topic. Twitter chats are scheduled on a particular day of the week or month at a preset time. One example is #jobhuntchat on Mondays at 7 PM Pacific time. You can find a list of existing Twitter chats here: http://tweetreports.com/twitter-chat-schedule/. Some of these chats have moderators. #JobHuntChat is moderated by recruiters. Some chats have questions preannounced on a numbered list. Twitter users will refer to them as Q1 or Q5 in their tweets during the Twitter Chat time. Answers are listed as A1 or A5 depending on which question number they answer. Alternatively, questions are numbered as they occur during the chat. Chrisleffler (talk) 22:43, 29 July 2016 (UTC)Christine Leffler
- This doesn't seem to have picked up enough coverage in reliable secondary sources to be given a mention in the article. The citation given is the site itself, which does not establish notability.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:37, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
Request for correction to net profit in table
Net profits are listed as +521 million dollars, even though the financial statement shows this should be -521 million dollars, for a loss that is.
See reference to current balance sheet: https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ATWTR&fstype=ii&ei=qzRgU8CuL4mSqwHgRg
Note that Twitter has never made an annual profit, so listing them as profitable on the summary table is quite misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.117.177 (talk) 02:37, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
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Barack Obama’s follower count is wrong. It should be 77,338,576 not 757,327,956 as mentioned currently. Please fix it or let me edit.
Hktt (talk) 16:38, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Is Twitter a Social Broadcasting service?
After all the years Twitter is being called a Social Networking service, but in reality is a Social Broadcasting service where a subject (person, entity, event, etc) can broadcast and the followers or viewers can watch it. In true sense anyone without a Twitter account can watch or view the Broadcast. So I would suggest to change to make the necessary adjustment to reflect the true identity of Twitter. In essence this is not a networking site, I have never been able to find new connections on Twitter instead I have able to find “What’s Happening Now” in a second.
Lets discuss the the right things to do for sharing true knowledge about Twitter.
Thanks, Hktt (talk) 16:46, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- This needs reliable sourcing. It is described as a social network here, although back in April 2016, Twitter decided that on the iOS App Store, it wanted to categorize itself as a "News" app instead of a "Social Networking" app.[15] Twitter was originally seen as a microblogging site [16][17] although it does have some social networking features. However, it isn't obviously a social network or a news site.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:02, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
- I’m going to go ahead and change the page. Full disclosure, I work at Twitter.
- Twitter isn’t in the social networking categories of the app stores, but rather in the news category (#1 in both iTunes and Google Play in almost all markets).
- Twitter is synonymous with ‘news’ and what’s happening in the world, rather than for connecting with friends and family. Twitter isn’t a social network, it’s a ‘news network’, one uniquely powered by people. Every day, people turn to Twitter to see what’s happening in the world, to see what everyone is talking about, and to add their own commentary. This was clearly evident during last night’s 2nd Presidential Debate, which saw millions of Tweets from people talking about key debate moments, and Retweeting key commentary from others. Twitter is a people-powered news network.
- CEO, Jack Dorsey, has recently spoken about Twitter not being a social network, and increasingly we are seeing the world talk about Twitter being about ‘news’ - e.g. The Next Web and music commentator Bob Lefsetz.
- @Damienivan: Per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, you should not be editing this page if you work at Twitter. If you would like to make an edit, follow the suggestions from Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#COI editing strongly discouraged. As such, I have reverted your edits. Elisfkc (talk) 02:43, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
- Understood. Wanted to be as upfront as possible. Regardless, the issue merits discussion. Thanks. Damienivan (talk) 03:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
- Twitter and Facebook do similar things but they are subtly different. Twitter tends more towards microblogging, while Facebook tends more towards being a social networking service. Twitter's decision to rebrand itself as a news service in April 2016 caused some surprise. Although major news services such as CNN have their own feed, Twitter is not a news outlet in the traditional sense as anybody can set up an account and say anything. "Here is a photo of what my lunch looks like today" isn't really news or social networking. I have always preferred to describe Twitter as a microblogging service and this is how it was originally described in reliable sources.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:24, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
- To be honest, the differences are not that subtle. Facebook is the quintessential “social network,” having inherited many of the idioms that MySpace, Friendster, etc. pioneered. Twitter was never really a place to find one's classmates, co-workers, family, etc. Twitter has always been way more similar to an RSS newsfeed than “A Place for Friends.” I think Hktt is correct to have brought this issue up.
- Twitter and Facebook do similar things but they are subtly different. Twitter tends more towards microblogging, while Facebook tends more towards being a social networking service. Twitter's decision to rebrand itself as a news service in April 2016 caused some surprise. Although major news services such as CNN have their own feed, Twitter is not a news outlet in the traditional sense as anybody can set up an account and say anything. "Here is a photo of what my lunch looks like today" isn't really news or social networking. I have always preferred to describe Twitter as a microblogging service and this is how it was originally described in reliable sources.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:24, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
- Understood. Wanted to be as upfront as possible. Regardless, the issue merits discussion. Thanks. Damienivan (talk) 03:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
- Besides, the term “social network” is incredibly vague. Wikipedia itself is barely able to define it. On the page Social Networking Service, two of the headers are “A challenge of definition” and “Attempting definition.” Maybe we should start putting Twitter in the same box as America Online, Flickr, or YouTube. It’s absurd. Damienivan (talk) 18:22, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
- I still think that microblogging is the best description of what Twitter does. Like yourself, I'm unconvinced that Twitter is a social network because apart from the ability to follow other users and send them direct messages, there isn't much social networking functionality in the site interface. The claim that Twitter is a news site is also unusual, although this is how Twitter likes to be seen nowadays. Most Twitter users are not professional journalists, and Wikipedia has WP:SPS which explains that social media postings are largely not acceptable as sources, because they lack editorial oversight. I would welcome comments from other users on the best way to describe what Twitter is and does.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:47, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
- Twitter is not a microblog. It doesn't adequately describe what Twitter is today, and people's searches agree: the term used in conjunction with Twitter is down nearly 40% in Google searches over the past two years and has more than halved since its peak in 2013. See here.
- I still think that microblogging is the best description of what Twitter does. Like yourself, I'm unconvinced that Twitter is a social network because apart from the ability to follow other users and send them direct messages, there isn't much social networking functionality in the site interface. The claim that Twitter is a news site is also unusual, although this is how Twitter likes to be seen nowadays. Most Twitter users are not professional journalists, and Wikipedia has WP:SPS which explains that social media postings are largely not acceptable as sources, because they lack editorial oversight. I would welcome comments from other users on the best way to describe what Twitter is and does.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:47, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
- Besides, the term “social network” is incredibly vague. Wikipedia itself is barely able to define it. On the page Social Networking Service, two of the headers are “A challenge of definition” and “Attempting definition.” Maybe we should start putting Twitter in the same box as America Online, Flickr, or YouTube. It’s absurd. Damienivan (talk) 18:22, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
- As noted above, "social networking" and "social media" are also too limiting, as people do not come to Twitter primarily to connect with friends and family. Searches for these terms show the same trend as "microblog.”
- By far and away the dominant search term to use with Twitter is "news,” and that remains stable, as others have declined. See here. Twitter's association with news is not just something we are trying to tell the world, but what people are coming to the platform for. The top related search terms for Twitter over the past year are about news and people. See here. Looking at Pew Research on Twitter, nearly two-thirds of U.S. adults who use Twitter get news on the platform, and 54% of sampled Twitter users Tweeted about news over the course of the study.
- Given the importance of "news" to users of Twitter, would someone like to change the description? Perhaps "news and social networking service" or "news and social network"? Thanks Damienivan (talk) 16:46, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- There is a mixture of content on Twitter, ranging from professional news organizations to everyday folk posting about what they are doing. The definition of news has to be stretched quite a lot to allow for this. The news story here looks at Twitter's decision to rebrand itself as a news app in April 2016.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:39, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Piece of anecdotal evidence here – some months ago, there was a gas station that exploded near my house. At first, I was far enough away that I couldn't tell what exactly had happened – for all I knew, it was a bomb (pretty scary, actually). It was close enough to me that I wanted immediate information about what had happened and whether I was in any immediate danger. So guess where I looked? Twitter, obviously. I'm not even a heavy twitter user. Guess what I found? A video that a person took while they were literally driving by the flaming (and smoking) wreckage. It was news before the news crew even got into their van. What do you call that? Social network news? Peer-to-peer news? Damienivan (talk) 00:23, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
- There is a mixture of content on Twitter, ranging from professional news organizations to everyday folk posting about what they are doing. The definition of news has to be stretched quite a lot to allow for this. The news story here looks at Twitter's decision to rebrand itself as a news app in April 2016.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:39, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
- Given the importance of "news" to users of Twitter, would someone like to change the description? Perhaps "news and social networking service" or "news and social network"? Thanks Damienivan (talk) 16:46, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps the most important moment in Twitter's history was when Janis Krums took a photo of the plane that had made an emergency landing in the Hudson river in January 2009.[18][19] Krums was not a professional journalist, but his iPhone photograph is by far the most famous coverage of the incident. The incident gave international media attention to Twitter, and showed that things were changing in how news is reported. The mainstream media often uses material from Twitter, but a site that allows anyone to publish anything is not a traditional news source. As for the Wikipedia article, it has to go by what reliable secondary sources have said. Twitter has been variously described as a microblogging service, a social network and a news service, which is Twitter's preferred definition of itself nowadays. The current wording in the WP:LEAD says that Twitter is an "online social networking service" which I don't think is ideal as Twitter is distinctly different from sites like Facebook which are largely about social networking. Merriam-Webster defines news as "1: new information or a report about something that has happened recently 2: information that is reported in a newspaper, magazine, television news program, etc. 3: someone or something that is exciting and in the news" and Twitter carries all three of these things. I think that the wording in the lead could be tweaked to allow for this.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:05, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
- What do we think of "news and social networking service"? Damienivan (talk) 20:32, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
- I think that is OK because it gives a broader description of what Twitter is. I've added it to the lead.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 04:59, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help Damienivan (talk) 03:25, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
- I think that is OK because it gives a broader description of what Twitter is. I've added it to the lead.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 04:59, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2017
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In the long vertical box at the top right giving the summary information about the company, the 'Net Income' is currently stated as 'US$521 million'.
This is wrong. In particular, the rather important minus sign '-' has been omitted.
The footnote [3] to the right of that figure will bring you to page that confirms the LOSS for 2015 of US$521 million'.
In other words:
'US$521 million' should be corrected to '-US$521 million' MaximumCorrectness (talk) 03:40, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Done Confirmed by review of source. --MASEM (t) 03:55, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
ALARMING LACK OF RESPONSE
Having just posted concerning the incorrect 'Net Income' included in the article, I have noted that someone else posted about that exact same problem in September of 2016.
FOUR MONTHS AGO!
This is a major misstatement about the Net Income of a publicly traded firm! And no one can be bothered to fix it?
This 'semi-protected' stuff has clearly entirely broken down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaximumCorrectness (talk • contribs) 03:51, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
- The first one in Sept 2016 didn't have the "Edit protected" request, so unless someone was watching the page, it went unnoticed. --MASEM (t) 03:55, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Trump
Really, this is the elephant in the room. No mention of Trump, perhaps the most famous twitter user of all time? I feel like he warrants a mention in this article. The first and only president-elect to personally tweet - and he has done so over 200 times since being elected. Crazy Eddy (talk) 23:32, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
- Barack Obama has his own Twitter feed, but it is fairly bland stuff which could easily have been written by a backroom team of publicists. Obama's Twitter account was created in March 2007, around two years before Twitter became famous. Trump's Twitter account was created in March 2009 and looks as though he has actually written some of the tweets himself, so there is a difference in style.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:59, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
- It is now being reported that Trump's tweets on the @POTUS account are written by Dan Scavino, the White House Director of Social Media.[20]. If they are personally written by Trump, they are signed "DJT", according to the account main page.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:50, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Link doesn't link
Under 'Format', it says For more about tweets, see Tweet. But this just links-back to Twitter. Valetude (talk) 09:09, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
- This doesn't make a good deal of sense, so I've removed it from the article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:23, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
- ^ "European Public Opinion Surveys". Twitter. Retrieved 19 June 2015.
- ^ "United Kingdom Public Opinion Surveys". Twitter. Retrieved 19 June 2015.
- ^ "Call for Evidence in Twitter Investigation". BDFP. Retrieved 19 June 2015.
- ^ "Twitter's C.E.O., Dick Costolo, Is Set to Exit, Feeling Heat of Criticism". New York Times. 12 June 2015. Retrieved 21 Dec 2015.
- ^ "Peter Thiel Mocks 'Pot-Smoking' Twitter Management". New York Times. 17 Sept 2015. Retrieved 21 Dec 2015.
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