Talk:Ursula K. Le Guin bibliography

Template: Ursula K. Le Guin

See Template talk: Ursula K. Le Guin.

Today i revised the template, reported "in progress" at Talk, and commented on the previous comments which both remain relevant. Beside development of that template, that Talk pertains to the development of this bibliography. --P64 (talk) 18:22, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Making tables

Wikiproject:Bilbiography says tables are preferred. If anyone has suggestions for layout of them I'd love to hear.--Savonneux (talk) 04:11, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

The only advice at WikiProject Bibliographies is that a given article should not mix bulleted lists with tables. RockMagnetist(talk) 03:18, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I did the whole thing in tables in a draft. To be honest it looks stupid. Reverted the few I put in here.--Savonneux (talk) 07:00, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

@Savonneux: "removing all the stuff I added because I don't have time to work on it" --Why not work in your Sandbox? That way you can work in bits & snatches when you have time. Then, when you're ready, you can check for intervening edits and put your work up on the page. --Thnidu (talk) 20:22, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Tillai and Tylissos

Vanamonde93, I ran across a detail that I thought you might want to know. I’ve been looking up publishers and locations for some of the books. One of them was Tillai and Tylissos, and I was interestedly perusing this copy on eBay, when I noticed the third photo. It says Le Guin’s piece, “The Dancing at Tillai”, had previously appeared in the Kenyon Review. I found it at JSTOR. (It looks to be a 10-page poem.)

I’ll leave it up to you whether to include it separately or not. This is a grand task you’ve taken on, and I salute your perseverance. I’ll help as I can, filling in some of the cracks, but it’ll be intermittent. — Gorthian (talk) 06:44, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@Gorthian: Thanks for your cleanup earlier today, and for your encouragement. At the moment I have left out all standalone poems, just to keep the task manageable; Le Guin's output was prodigious. If you feel it should be included, I'm happy to discuss it further. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 07:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

@Gorthian: I'm just wondering; if you're using WorldCat for locations, would it be possible for you to add those links as refs? It's a bit nitpicky I know...Vanamonde (talk) 05:28, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: I’m actually using any number of sources for the locations and publishers. I’ll be happy to add refs for those, but I’ll have to bone up on the Harvard-style citation method. I’ll probably just copy you. :-) WorldCat isn’t much use, really — too many different editions and not enough organization. Some of the locations I got by looking at photos of the original works on selling sites. I’m not sure how I would reference those. — Gorthian (talk) 21:14, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

@Gorthian: Oh I see. Well; unless you're using multiple sets of pages from a single book, you don't have to use the harvard style; you can just create a named reference and stick it in everywhere. Otherwise, copying is fine. If you've looked at photos, what I would do is to cite the work in question. For place of publication primary sources are fine. Cheers, Vanamonde (talk) 04:53, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Order

Why is this, unlike most every other bibliography on Wikipedia, not in chronological order? Morganfitzp (talk) 03:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Because that is how most bibliographies of Le Guin organize it; by structure, then by setting, then by chronology. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:06, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Book Review Digest

Storing some notes here, for reference. These are the editions where Book Review Digest has compiled reviews, per its index:

• The beginning place 1980
• The compass rose 1983
• The dispossessed 1975 (not 1974)
• The farthest shore 1973
• Hard words and other poems 1981
• The language of the night 1979
• The lathe of heaven 1972
• Orsinian tales 1977
• The tombs of Atuan 1971
• Very far away from anywhere else 1977
• The wind's twelve quarters 1976
• (ed.) Edges: thirteen new tales from the borderlands of the imagination 1981

czar 04:00, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Space Crone

@Czar: I hadn't added the volume because at the moment this only includes collections with fresh material, or at least material not previously published in a book. Do you have access to Space Crone, and can you verify whether it does have such material? Otherwise, I think it best excluded. No prejudice against that collection, but there have been so many books that collect new sets of old Le Guin material that I think it would bloat an already long list too far. Vanamonde (Talk) 00:48, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

My understanding is that it has no previously unpublished material, so okay to remove by that criteria czar 01:02, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for checking! Vanamonde (Talk) 01:17, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Hand, Cup, Shell

@Evertype: Can you please quote the Searoad copyright statement in full, and cite it? I'm looking at the copyright page for The Unreal and the Real, which says quite clearly "copyright 1989" and "first appeared in the New Yorker". I see that ISFDB says something different, but given that it contains user-generated content we cannot rely on it alone. I know the story was published in the Southwest Review, but I cannot verify that it was the first publication. At the moment the content does not match the citation. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I've been unable to identify the issue of the New Yorker that this appeared in, assuming it did in fact appear there. It appeared in the Autumn 1989 Southwest Review which was probably issued that summer, so which has priority would depend on the issue of the New Yorker that it appeared in. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I've heard from an acquaintance with access to the New Yorker archives that a search of those archives does not find this story. The only story by Le Guin that comes up for 1989 in the archives is "In and Out". It would seem that the copyright page of The Unreal and the Real is in error. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for checking, Mike. I also failed to find any evidence of a publication in the New Yorker, though I do not have archive access. We could cite the Southwest Review piece directly, but the only evidence there that it is an original publication is the lack of attribution to a previous version; so think citing Searoad is the way to go, and I don't have access to that volume. I'm working on it, but perhaps Evertype could find the relevant pages? Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Search doesn't find it?

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but I spent ages trying to find "Direction of the Road", having remembered the plot but not the title. But, having found the title elsewhere, when I searched Wikipedia on the title, this page doesn't appear despite the title's entry here. What have I missed? p.r.newman (talk) p.r.newman (talk) 03:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not yet have an article about that story, and many others. As a piece by Le Guin it is almost certainly notable, and you would be welcome to create it if you are interested in doing so. Vanamonde93 (talk) 04:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93 Thank you. I had not appreciated that difference between searching on article titles and their contents p.r.newman (talk) 02:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Not starting an FAR over this, but

I started reading Le Guin recently, so I've been looking at this list, and have noticed some issues:

• The list cites the Internet Speculative Fiction Database several times, which is a user-edited wiki, meaning it's not actually a usable source for Wikipedia's purposes (WP:USERG). This could be fixed by replacing with citations to the books/magazines/etc that the items were published in, in case no other usable sources covering those details can be easily found.
• It is inconsistent about noting where short stories have been collected.
• It sometimes uses seasons to indicate time of year, something we avoid since this depends on where on the planet you live (MOS:SEASON)

These are all relatively minor, which is why I'm not planning on starting an FAR at this point. Considering this is an FL, they really ought to be fixed, though. Alexandra^IDV 08:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Replacing the ISFDB citations has been on my to-do list for a while: it passed FLC with those citations, but subsequent discussions at FAC have convinced me we shouldn't use it. I'm less certain about how to handle the other issues, however. Le Guin's stories were anthologized sometimes dozens of times. The details of these seem to me to belong in articles for those stories. I have tried to include instances that are clearly of interest; this is a subjective judgement, but so are many other decisions about what to include. As to the dates, I've provided what the sources did, and in many cases these are the dates indicated on the publications themselves. Without hunting down every single magazine I don't see how someone could be more specific; even very complete bibliographies don't provide more detail. I'm not even sure the magazines do: see the cover here, for instance, which says "Fall 1994". A handful of these are very popular magazines, for which a publication date may be available, but many are not. I feel we ought to provide the information we have. I'm happy to hear alternatives, though. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)