Talk:Vallejo, California

NPOV for crime section

This section makes it appear that Vallejo is the most dangerous city in the bay area. There are other ones which are worse. Also, the crime rate in Vallejo has been high in the early 2000s as well. I would like to see cited sources for this.--w^{L<speak·check>} 22:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that some trend data would suffice. However, as a prior long-time resident of Vallejo, in 1995 it was the per capita murder capital of the world. El Magnifico, Esq 11:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

As many people know Vallejo is not the most dangerous city in the bay area. The most dangerous cities in the bay area from most dangerous being #1 would be oakland followed by Richmond at #2, and then San Fransisco at #3 and then Vallejo comes in at #4. In 2005 Vallejo had 18 homicides in incorporated land and 4 in un-incorporated land which anyone from Vallejo knows is situated in the heart of the city. So far it is october 2007 and Vallejo has 15 homicides and possibly a 16th from word on the street and also one that was in un-incorporated Vallejo. The crest is one of the worst places in Vallejo and you have a high chance of getting shot in the area according to conversations you can hear if visiting city hall or the VPD headquarters when tourist go for walks in the area while visiting Six Flags near the crest. I am not trying to put Vallejo out there to look bad but people need to know the truth because a lot of Vallejoans know the newspapers edit out many of the criminal actions and negatives about the city in the city newspaper. I have lost four friends to drive-bys in Vallejo and I cant walk outside because I might be next. I wish I could move but my family and I am poor and are in Sec 8 and cant move. Thank you for listening and i hope people do more research before moving from a nice condo in san fransisco to a bug infested gang infested area in Vallejo and then blamming the natives of the city who happen to be low-income. Lius Castillo Vallejo, CA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.23.132 (talk) 02:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Hyphy Music Section

This section is pretty important for the article in my mind, since it's so closely tied to the city. What I have is a basis and it would be appreciated if someone more knowledgeable of the music to expand it a bit more, if it can be --Braintoad 02:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

So I'll try to get to it if I can, it's not really my thing, but I have a lot of friends who are knowledgeable in the area - I think however you have to look at Vallejo for its rap in general, not just the hyphy trend. Vallejo already had an important role in rap before the hyphy movement El Magnifico, Esq 11:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Zodiac killer

Shouldn't there be any mentioning of the Zodiac killer on this page? -- Henriok 12:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I began some work on it. Took what information was relevant to Vallejo from the main article and tried to show his importance to Vallejo --Braintoad 01:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

pronunciation

I always heard this with an aitch sound, /vəˈleɪhoʊ/. Do I have it wrong? kwami 06:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

There are two correct ways to pronounce Vallejo. One is if you say it the spanish way because Vallejo is a spanish name. I really cant explain if you dont already know but the spanish rules are you pronounce two L's together as an "H" sound.The other way is the english way, VUH-LAY-O. Many people who are born and raised in Vallejo can tell who is not from Vallejo because outsiders tend to say it half spanish and half american, it sounds like VUH-LAY-HO with a strong exageration on the "HO" part at the end. The only reason we dont pronounce the "J" is because when americans came to call this area Vallejo they felt it to be better to not pronounce the "J" instead of having americans say it like VUH-LAY-JOE. Later people made a nickname for Vallejo because out of towners were pronouncing it wrong so whenever they met an outsider they would say "how you like Valley Joe?". just a little fun fact. -Jason w. McLewis, city sub-supervisor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.23.132 (talk) 23:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The younger generation refer to Vallejo simply as "V-Town". I've also heard older generations pronounce Vallejo as "Vuh lay uh" as in "Va Lea". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.199.20 (talk) 06:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I have many family members who have lived in Vallejo for more than 50 years. My father, who grew up there for 20 years, is also irritated when bay area weatherpersons pronounce it as /vəˈleɪhoʊ/. As noted above, most locals pronouce it without the /h/. At the same time, though, both exist in common and the article should reflect both pronunciations. This pronunciation confusion might be notable enough to have its own heading. Sakathecheetah (talk) 21:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Spanish pronunciation is "Vai-yay-Ho". The common pronunciation today is "Val-Lay-Ho"§ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.157.18.219 (talk) 21:31, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Mayor Osby Davis' "gay sin" comment controversy

Should this information be added to this webpage? Please read two news articles below.

http://calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=e32e68ef-a93d-4257-b9b0-be7a4a5705ad
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/us/20sfmetro.html?_r=2
Native94080 (talk) 00:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Notes from a resident

There are geographic ambiguities and errors in this article.

South Vallejo cannot be south of Marin Street, as Marin Street is a north/south street. However, South Vallejo can be south of York Street, as it is an east/west street. (I live three blocks north of York.)

Old Route 40 does not follow Sonoma Boulevard through the city; it veers off to the east. It runs down Tuolumne Street or Broadway.

Other points of interest:

The new transit terminal opened downtown a couple of months ago; it remains unmentioned in this article. Also, Vallejo lost control of the ferries to the state--also unmentioned.

There is a downtown arts scene struggling to cohere. The old Georgia Street strip downtown, and the 900 block of Marin Street, hosts a melange of printmakers, painters, assemblage artists, plus antiques and collectibles.

"Reefer Row" is also cohering downtown, as marijuana dispensaries move in to take advantage of lax municipal regulation.

Vallejo continues to struggle along with about half the number of police officers as before the bankruptcy. However, an abundance of private security guards helps the situation.

And the recent slang usage for the town's name is Valleghetto.

Georgejdorner (talk) 17:23, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Climate information from weather.com is incorrect

It's on the wrong side of the hills to be up to 89F average in summer. This is correct: http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?ca9219 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramblersyndicate (talk • contribs) 18:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Do parts of this section belong somewhere else? When was anyone named Menefee mayor of Vallejo? Even so, the last statement is a non sequitur; it states that Ryan Menefee would have been the first Black mayor, but if they were brother and sister, would she not also be the first Black mayor, not Osby Davis? And why mention Florence Douglas in this paragraph? --Bigdayda (talk) 02:18, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 22 June 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:29, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

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• Vallejo, California → Vallejo
• Vallejo → Vallejo (disambiguation)

– Primary topic and Common name. The only notable "Vallejo" is the one in California. The others are not as nearly well-known.SFGate, Press Democrat

Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose the first move per WP:USPLACE; agnostic on the second. Except for a select few places, U.S. placenames should be followed by the state name. However, you may have a case for the second move and that Vallejo should be a redirect to Vallejo, California per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC/WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Most of the entries on the disambiguation page are partial title matches and are relative less notable. —  AjaxSmack  00:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
• Support. Ignore USPLACE per WP:IAR and "policy trumps guidelines". Disambiguating a US city name even when it's a primary topic leads to confusion and inconsistency with how we treat titling for almost all other articles, including for city articles from other countries, that precipitates good faith proposals like this one. And, no, we shouldn't change the guideline first. In fact, until a few titles like this one are changed, we don't have basis to change the guideline. See User:Born2cycle/FAQ#Change_guideline_first for details. --В²C ☎ 16:56, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose for (among other things) ignoring/bypassing WP:PERENNIAL. This should have first been raised at the Village Pump (and I don't see that it was), and if it proceeded from there should have addressed previous rebuttals (which this one-line request doesn't). Recommend immediate closure. ╠╣uw [talk] 18:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose. First, WP:USPLACE. Second, the OP presenting only two local news sources would normally be insufficient for primary topic consideration for me anyway. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:40, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

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East-west street names

The article erroneously stated that east-west streets are named for US battleships in the order in which they were commissioned. In fact, east-west streets and battleships are both named for states, but the streets are not named in relation to battleships. The use of state names for the streets was in the original layout of the city created for General Vallejo by his son-in-law John Frisbie in 1850, and can clearly be seen on an 1891 map of Vallejo available at . The first US battleship was not commissioned until 1895.

References

Underplaying significance of Vallejo Bankruptcy

As someone who grew up in Vallejo as a high schooler during the bankruptcy, Vallejo's bankruptcy is really significant to the history of the city. It effectively slashed the city's police, schooling, and small businesses and changed it significantly from a city reliant on port and boutique work to amusement park and marijuana sales. Vallejo is still in the Great Recession, and many young people are moving out of the city because opportunity is so scarce there.

The history of Vallejo in its total truth, including the negative effects of the Bankruptcy is necessary because it can help educate others when the next shock happens to other cities. Chapter 9 Bankruptcy turned out to be a really painful solution for Vallejo. If we really told the truth about what its effects are, it'd help others whenever the next shock happens.

75.80.54.157 (talk) 09:03, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

References

Celsius?

Out of genuine curiosity, why are the temperatures in the Climate section in Celsius (with Fahrenheit in parenthesis)? This is a US city, thus the information should reflect the practices of that community. As a resident of Vallejo, CA, I can confirm that Celsius is not commonly used there.

Nlky (Adam) 21:37, 24 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nlky (talk • contribs)

sources

• Du Sault, Laurence; King, Geoffrey (2023-02-05). "Senior officials ordered destruction of Vallejo police shooting evidence". Open Vallejo. Archived from the original on 2023-02-07. Retrieved 2023-02-07. The Vallejo city attorney's office has long resisted public scrutiny of the police department's frequent shootings. With a new law poised to force the release of shooting records, a lawyer and a detective made a decision no court can reverse. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 13:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

There's so much that could be added to the police section. I'll drop a few more links here

• Krans, Brian (2023-03-09). "Former Vallejo police union president lowered promotion standards to make sergeant, whistleblower captain testifies". Vallejo Sun. Retrieved 2023-07-19.
• Cruz Guevarra, Ericka; Chang, Julie (2020-07-29). "Vallejo Police Chief Launches 'Official Inquiry' Into Alleged Badge Bending Tradition to Mark Fatal Shootings". KQED. Retrieved 2023-07-19.
• Sault, Laurence Du (2023-06-29). "'Twisted to conceal:' How laws meant to protect children help police evade scrutiny". Open Vallejo. Retrieved 2023-07-19.
• Morris, Scott (2023-02-28). "Former Vallejo police chief ignored badge bending for years, testimony alleges". Vallejo Sun. Retrieved 2023-07-19.
• Woodrow, Melanie (2020-12-25). "I-TEAM EXCLUSIVE: Former Vallejo PD captain speaks out, claims he was fired for whistleblowing". ABC7 News (San Francisco). Retrieved 2023-07-19.

-Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:59, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

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