Talk:Yingluck Shinawatra

This page needs to be locked

Someone just trolled the hell out of this article, and it generally isn't a very good idea to leave the pages of current political figures up to editing by any monkey with a keyboard. The article is vandalized about every other day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.68.231.245 (talk) 04:39, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

No, it needs to be constantly updated. 98.248.36.119 (talk) 01:14, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

WP Editors 'watching' this page can keep it in line. -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 21:35, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Among youngest female heads of government?

The article notes that she is the first female prime minister of Thailand. But at age 44, I wonder if she is among the youngest (youngest? 2nd youngest? among the 5 youngest? etc) female heads of government in the world? There is a list of female heads at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_heads_of_state but that is not sorted in the order of youngest to oldest (age when elected to government).

If someone finds out, please add to this article.. Harel (talk) 22:42, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

• Be careful: the Prime Minister is the head of government, the King is the head of state.125.25.40.243 (talk) 15:15, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

According to the Benazir Bhutto article, "Bhutto was sworn in as Prime Minister for the first time in 1988 at the age of 35" so Yingluck Shinawatra would not be the youngest ever. Mtminchi08 (talk) 02:00, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

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Replace it with a crab. --Pawyilee (talk) 13:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

You are rude. Current picture is very good and appropriate. -- Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 21:37, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

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Details of her business career

Let's try adding some more detail to her business career. Since she's a political novice, this will provide some guidance to how she manages.Patiwat (talk) 07:34, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Youngest Prime Minister in over 60 years

When Abhisit was appointed Prime Minister in 17 December 2008, he was the youngest Prime Minister in over 60 years. ([1]). He was born on 3 August 1964 and was 44 years, 4 months, and 14 days old on the date of his appointment. Yingluck has yet to be formally appointed Prime Minister by King Bhumibol. But she was born on 21 June 1967. On Monday 5 July 2011, one day after the election, she is 44 years and 15 months old. If there is no constitutional crisis that prevents King Bhumibol from formally appointing her as the head of government, she will be the youngest Prime Minister in over 60 years. I'll wait until the formal appointment until I add this to the intro. Why bother mentioning it? Because someone made a strong case for mentioning this in the intro to the Abhisit article.Patiwat (talk) 15:36, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Why mention the nickname?

Because in many of her public communications, for example in her Twitter or Facebook posts, she calls herself by her nickname. The article should mention her nickname just so that's clear. Patiwat (talk) 11:16, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

In southeast Asian nations in general, not just in Thailand, nicknames play critical roles in identifying public personages; but the practice in Thailand is to prefix nicknames with some sort of honorific, unless the intention is to be blunt. Her's would be Nong Pu, (Little Sister Crab), or Nong Gam Pu, (Little Sister Crab Claws) to her intimates and family; Khun Pu to such as her Facebook friends, where she uses plain pu in lieu of of the first person pronoun I. Her king's nickname is properly Ong Lek (Lek meaning little and Ong a classifier (linguistics) for royalty or other sacred person.) Her brother's is bluntly Miao, and can refer to either a cat, or a tribe held in low regard. I'm not aware of any Thai nickname for the former PM, other than enclosing his given name "Mark" in quotes; his schoolboy nickname "Veggie" was simply English boys play on his outlandish family name. --Pawyilee (talk) 16:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

See, for instance, Benigno Aquino III and Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, whose nicknames are in the lede. --Pawyilee (talk) 17:04, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

The Election Commission's Tuesday meeting has discussed and voted on the complaint filed against Ms Yingluck who cooked fried noodle and distributed to crowd during her election campaign in Nakhon Ratchasima. Her action allegedly violated election law. The EC’s decision on the matter will be announced later. On the home front, my wife sang me a song already going around about KHUN NAI GAM PU, saying the complainants are trying to cook crab claws in Korat -- and getting nipped. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:31, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

PS: It rankles because Samak was also deposed for a cooking offense; but that's merely history. --Pawyilee (talk) 15:06, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Why mention Thai Rak Thai?

I had mentioned that the TRT party had been shut down and its executive team banned from politics, and this fact was deleted by another editor. I think this information is critically important because it helps explain why Yingluck still isn't party leader or a member of its executive team; it also provides context for her amnesty proposal.Patiwat (talk) 17:42, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Too, her supporters often bluntly pronounce her given name without an honorific as Ying Lak, which alters its rather obscure Pali meaning of "Major Support" to "Still Love!" The TRT party name is pronounced Thai Lak Thai, meaning "Thai Love Thai," echoing HM's slogan during the 1997 Asian financial crisis: Thai Chuay Thai "Thai Help Thai." --Pawyilee (talk) 15:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Please, that is utterly irrelevant, apart from the fact that you're mixing up ร and ล which are different. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Please, it is totally relevant, and I'm not mixing them up — they are, in the Isan version of punning word play. I got caught up today in a victory parade with a sound truck towing a diesel generator so it could blast out LAK YING LAK YING LAK YING LAK --Pawyilee (talk) 16:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, the section of the article is about Yingluck's own political career and not - forgive the exaggeration - about the history of Thailand. She was - as far as I know and, more importantly, the sources indicate - no member of Thai Rak Thai, it is just the predecessor of the predecessor of her party, that is why I removed it. To understand the context of the amnesty proposal, readers can follow the link and read the articles about TRT, or PPP, or Thaksin. That is the good thing about the Wikipedia. We do not have to explain it here. This article is about Yingluck's biography and policies, what happened in Thailand before she entered politics does not belong here. Are you OK with that solution? -- RJFF (talk) 19:50, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

TRT IS presently mentioned in passing, and my wife is neither a Wiki editor nor does she care about those ignorant of polly-tickle puns in Thai, though she couldn't do without 'em. --Pawyilee (talk) 14:47, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Image

Searching Google Images for "Yingluck Shinawatra free image" returns about 95,900 results. Thai Wikipedia has http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B9%84%E0%B8%9F%E0%B8%A5%E0%B9%8C:Yingrak.jpg

--Pawyilee (talk) 11:57, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

That image is being used in violation of copyright. They shouldn't be using it, but the Thai Wikipedia has tended to be more lenient on such issues. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Now they're using this one in their category news. I tried asking at one of her several Facebook pages for one of hers, but don't know how to long onto any of them. And what's the deal with campaign posters photographed at the side of a road? What if I ask a local PT member for an image? What kind of documentation should I also ask for? (This is getting ridiculous.) --Pawyilee (talk) 15:14, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

One could hope that the new PM continues with Abhisit's Flickr page policy. This Flickr user has some photos, but they're licensed CC-By-NC, which is incompatible with Wikipedia. An interested editor could message the page's owner requesting permission for an image or two. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

One could also hope for readily-accessible definitions of CC-By-NC and CC-By-SA. Creative Commons licenses are NOT user-friendly.--Pawyilee (talk) 06:10, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

At least we have one for the nonce, though I don't expect it to last for long. There should, however, be an official photo of her at the House site. --Pawyilee (talk) 13:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

How about a generic image of a crab?--Pawyilee (talk) 12:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

What with the uniform in the current picture? In which function does she actually wear that? Since she has had a completely civilian career some explanation for reader might be nice here.--Kmhkmh (talk) 13:37, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

It's the uniform she wore during here swearing in. It's the uniform that all Prime Ministers where during swearing in ceremonies. Thaistory (talk) 06:01, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Her Facebook page has a ton of good photos, but no licensing terms are stated. http://www.facebook.com/Y.Shinawatra?sk=photos Thaistory (talk) 06:01, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Actually if we have a thai editor here. One way to settle that picture problem might be simply to write to Yingluck/the Thai government and ask whether they would publish one (official) picture under a licence that can be used by wikipedia/commons.--Kmhkmh (talk) 14:04, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Liberal party.

The "now-defunct Liberal party" may have been revived. The Electoral Commission's handout shows as number 22 [พรรคเสรีนิยม Pak Seriniyom] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: text has italic markup (help) its logo a blue rectangle with a white dove in flight above the party name in Thai, and in English: Liberal Party. Its officers are: 1. นายพุทธชาตื ช่วยราม 2.นายเพชร เหมือนพันธุ์ 3.นายธนาคาร ม่วงศิริ 4.นายบุญราย สทวิะวงศ์ 5.น.ส.เปรมินทร์ ญาณศิริ 6.นายศุภพิชญ์ บุญญะฤทธิ์ 7.นางปณตพร แด้วชัด 8.นาย ส.ศิริชัยอนุสสรณ์ สุขวรรณะ and platform: นโยบาย "ภูมิปัญญาไทย วิสัยทัศน์สากล" --Pawyilee (talk) 15:00, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

EL

Please add

• Yingluck Shinawatra collected news and commentary at The New York Times
• Executive profile at Bloomberg Businessweek

Honorific prefix

Foreign heads of government are styled Excellency only in diplomatic or inter-governmental contexts. It is customarily not to be included in Wikipedia biographies (different from The Rt. Hon.) Kind regards -- RJFF (talk) 08:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

There are a hell of a lot of biography articles where the template is headed by the appropriate honorific. You'll be busy from here to kingdom come getting rid of all of 'em unless you go to home Template:Infobox officeholder and remove the offending entry. --Pawyilee (talk) 10:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Yingluck she is she is the youngest of ten children/ not nine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Power of love (talk • contribs) 01:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Please provide a proper source for that claim, the current source states 9.--Kmhkmh (talk) 03:09, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Criticism/Gender Bias

Help! Wikipedia gender bias has been revealed, and Khunying Ms. Yingluck is facing criticism for being biased feminine instead of feminist. I'm not about to undergo a gender change at my age, and wouldn't touch this with a 10-foor Pole. For any of you bolder than I, or whose wives or daughters may help you gender-bending, here's a good link to start with, as it has many hot-linked news references.

• Kaewmala, guest contributor (August 14, 2011). "Thailand's First Female Prime Minister vs Thai Feminists" (news). blog. Asian Correspondent. Retrieved August 14, 2011. As soon as Pheu Thai victory catapulted Yingluck to the national top spot and it became clear she was to become prime minister, several Thai feminists were already expressing their disapproval. {{cite web}}: |first= has generic name (help)

I've requested a cite template for Asian Correspondent at its talk page. The one above is my first attempt. --Pawyilee (talk) 12:41, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but Yingluck is not styled "Khunying" ("Lady"). --Aristitleism (talk) 21:30, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, good catch and my bad — the cited article uses Ms. May we now discuss gender bias, as well as a suitable template for citing Asian Correspondent's correspondents? --Pawyilee (talk)

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Fashion sense?

This section seems completely unappropriate to me. Election campaign material/claims made by individual political opponents about such things are usually not notable for encyclopedic article and there are potential issues with WP:BLP. I'd suggest to scrap that section completely.--Kmhkmh (talk) 10:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

• Tell that to the Opposition Spokesperson! These weren't off-the-cuff comments made by some no-rank politician during election campaigning. Inappropriate as they might seem to some, these were formal criticisms made by the Opposition official with the authority to officially make them. She was on a podium and spoke from a script! Thaistory (talk) 05:57, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't have to tell him/her anything. What appropriate for biographies is decided by the editors of this articles in accordance with policies and guidelines and a general sense of what 's encyclopedic and what's not. Silly election and propaganda claims are usually not! So unless Yingluck's fashion sense (or lack thereof) becomes a well known phenomenon being widely and consistently covered by (serious) media (like imelda marcos shoe's for instance), it has no place in an encyclopedic article.--Kmhkmh (talk) 06:08, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

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Her language skill is relevant.

One of the most popular criticisms against her is the one regarding her inability to give speech fluently in Thai and English. I think everyone would agree it has become a national phenomenon and everyone, even Wall Street Journal, mentioned it. It has drawn attention from various people including Dr. Somkiat Onvimol and induced a debate between newspaper (Matichon rebutted the argument by citing a Thai student in the US). This is also relevant to her position as a Prime Minister since everyone would expect her to be able to give speech and this would be in fact the first time I have seen a Thai prime minister being criticized for this sort of thing. This information belongs to an encyclopedia. It's a valid criticism for Yingluck's position as a PM. Please do not take it down. 125.24.160.204 (talk) 13:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but this, in particular in this form, has no place in an encyclopedic article. Things which are a side note in some newspaper publications, don't warrant their own chapter in an encyclopedic. Moreover that a politician might not perfectly fluent in foreign languages or is not particularly skilled in delivering speeches, is so common place, that it does justify mentioning in here. Unless it it achieved a special significance or or widespread coverage in serious media. Occasional criticism by political opponents or or a (speculative) side remark ina newspaper do represent such arequired coverage.--Kmhkmh (talk) 15:50, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, I agree to some degree. You were right when you responded to the "fashion sense" above. Jut a few people made the claim, for only once, and not many people know about it. I think, however, that Yingluck's language problem has attracted people's attentions and is widely recognized, at least in Bangkok. It was covered in a "serious media" - how is WSJ not serious? And by being covered in WSJ, it means that her language skill affects the effectiveness of her economic policy to some degree (after all WSJ is concerned with the economy!). And yes, even though it is not a rarity that a politician is not fluent in a language, I never saw any politician got ridiculed because of her "incomprehensible" speech on Youtube that heavily. So I suggest leave some (but not too long) space to cover her language skill, or at least the incident related to the speech given to Japanese (which was covered by a serious media!). 98.248.36.119 (talk) 01:10, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

The Wall Street Journal is serious media - yes (although it belongs to Murdoch now), but not every line in a single WSJ article is material for an inclusion into an encyclopedic article and that small side remark on her English skills imho certainly isn't. Besides her English is still better than that of many other politicians, that I've seen and though I'm in particularly familiar with the thai political seen, I'd bet there many politician, whose Englsih is much worse than hers. From the sources I've seen so far (including the WSJ article) imho her English skills are an non-issue fort an encyclopedic article.--Kmhkmh (talk) 04:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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I do not agree that this issue is suitable for the purposes of this encyclopaedia article. It does not seem (to me) to be presented as an impartial nor informative statement. The use of the phrase "substantial criticism" is not warranted by the information or source provided; nor do the few examples given demonstrate an unusual degreee of english language deficiency for a person for whom english is a second language. In order to be relevant it would need to be shown that her lack of english skills has had major impact on her personal or political life. Alternatively, if the subject of the article was famously, repeatedly and adamantly claiming to have perfect and infallible english, then the criticism might warrant mention.

And to the poster above who ... "never saw any politician got ridiculed because of her "incomprehensible" speech...", I can only reply: Really? Does the name George W Bush sound familiar? I note that his wikipedia entry makes no mention of his infamous 'bushisms'.

However, given the current political turmoil in Thailand I am not going to make changes that might be seen to be taking sides*, but I think this topic should be revisited later.

(*I'm not thai, I don't live in Thailand, and I have no affiliations with any thai related party or group.) Wayne aus (talk) 05:57, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

All the more reason to be rather skeptical towards such language % speech claims made by IPs, as this article has been used in the past to push propaganda or at least personal POV (in the background of the current conflict in Thailand).--Kmhkmh (talk) 13:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Flood Section biased

The Flood section is written with bias. Information presented is verifiable, yet incomplete. Where are all the criticisms against her policy? What about issues with Japanese companies? What about a (mild) clash with Bangkok governor? Some negative aspects deserve to be addressed. 98.248.36.119 (talk) 01:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Detailed information about the flood is in the main article 2011 Thailand floods. Here is only a short summary. This is an article on Yingluck's biography, not on the 2011 floods. If you think it's biased, just push the "edit" button and make it more neutral, but please don't make the section longer than it already is. --RJFF (talk) 16:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

POV-Pushing from various sides

I'm getting the impression that yellow and red shirts have discovered the article as playground to battle out their political differences. It would be best for the article if they take a step back.

The article has become cluttered with political yellow press information or gossip that has no real place in an encyclopedic article. Also the sources are questionable at times. Do we really need Yingluck's facebook page to source her ideas or the program of her government? Official interviews and press releases would be a much better source in doubt or serious newspaper articles on that subject.--Kmhkmh (talk) 03:57, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

It is obvious that your question is rhetoric, but: No, we don't need it. And: yes, you're completely right. This is a biographical article in an encyclopedia, and not a news platform or a forum to exchange opinions on the head of government. When Abhisit was in office, there was the same problem with his article. --RJFF (talk) 14:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Nickname reference [1]

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Images: PD-TH-exempt

Before adding OR deleting images, please read Thailand's public-domain exemptions. --Pawyilee (talk) 13:42, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Accounts hacked

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Wikinews news and views

Wikinews interwiki links to a specific story take the long form [[wikinews:Story title]] or short form [[n:Story title]], which also work with |pipe.

I have not yet found a template to mark an article as having related Wicked News, but did find the Wikinews Thailand portal --Pawyilee (talk) 13:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

There are a number of such templates on Wikipedia. A place to start might be {{wikinews}}, whose documentation in turn mentions some others. --Pi zero (talk) 14:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Thailand’s stupidity politics

PM was called a “stupid bitch” by the leader of the opposition

Wiktionary link อี defines the word here translated as "bitch" as "derogatory prefix for certain terms pertaining to women or girls, or certain animals or farm machinery." Wiktionary link stupid includes Thai: โง่ (th) (ngôh) under Translations show "lacking in intelligence". —Pawyilee (talk) 06:22, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Common law husband

This term is obsolete in English, and has had no legal validity for centuries. Is it the best translation of a Thai term? If it isn't, replace it with 'partner'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Notreallydavid (talk • contribs) 09:39, 10 December 2013‎ (UTC)

Linking to common-law marriage does seem incorrect. A better description would probably be unregistered marriage, i.e. socially recognized but with no legal status. This is quite common in Thailand due to unfavourable laws. I'm not sure if partner is the best word to use. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

"Partner" is definitely a bad choice. Whatever term is used, it should indicated that a religious/traditional marriage ceremony has taken place. And indeed it is a common thing in Thailand to marry but not to register that marriage with the state.--Kmhkmh (talk) 01:18, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

The term you're looking for, which is often used for a "life-partner" of royalty who has no royal / legal status himself, is "consort". --Eliyahu S ^Talk 17:11, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Eliyahu S, are you commenting on the right article? No royalty is being discussed here. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:17, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Nickname correction

Her nickname is "Pou", not "Poo", as she called herself on her Twitter and also in her Twitter username (@PouYingluck, https://twitter.com/PouYingluck) so I've edited it and should be remained like that. No more Poo unless you want to make fun of her on purpose. 110.77.234.5 (talk) 16:43, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done -- Thanks! . . . . . Narnia.Gate7 (talk) 21:40, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Is an Ancestry section even necessary?

None of Yingluck Shinawatra's ancestors even have a Wikipedia page. It doesn't provide any encyclopedic value. I suggest we turn it into a "Personal Life" section, like with other Prime Ministers (Talking about Barack Obama and Stephen Harper here). |CanadianDude1| 01:59, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

No, it is not. This format is conventionally used for royals (who have many notable ancestors), not for untitled politicians. Her father and her maternal great-grandfather may be notable, her other ancestors are not. It is enough to mention them under "Early life" (where they are already mentioned). --RJFF (talk) 17:10, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Needs many fixes? Article often references her given (first) name instead of using the family (last) name

Encyclopedia articles will usually use a person's family or "last" name when referencing that person in the text of the article, as is customary for almost all professional writing. This article, however, often makes reference to "Yingluck" instead of "Shinawatra" in many sentences within the text. (If I understand correctly, "Yingluck" is the given name, and "Shinawatra" is the family name).

This comes across to me as extremely informal and unprofessional writing, or possibly even disrespectful to the political figure.

Is there a good reason for this usage in this article? Or can we fix all the references to "Shinawatra" instead of "Yingluck"?

207.204.255.83 (talk) 11:28, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

For Thai people, using the given name is standard practice. This is in accordance with Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

can this article be updated?

her facebook page constantly shows yingluck out and about esp visiting schools, scouts, etc etc and so it is the same activity that she widely did when prime minister on a busy schedule, often time basis,,,,, so ???? what is her current position ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.18.43.166 (talk) 16:06, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Leaders ousted by a coup

She was removed from office by the Constitutional Court, not by a coup, according to the article itself. So, the category should be removed. --Miwako Sato (talk) 15:48, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Master Degree

There are something wrong information in her master degree BBC and britannica, and in Wiki also, each of them saying different thing. Kushared (talk) 07:00, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Public administration vs political science is probably a translation/terminology thing. I haven't seen business administration in any other reliable source, so it's probably a mistake in that BBC piece. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

About Yingluck's Chinese name cited in this page

I wonder if [2] can be regarded as trustworthy since the writer only give readers a crude conclusion 「Most of the Chinese media do not know that this fourth-generation Thai Chinese, who is originated in Hakka, had a Chinese name "丘英樂", and Yingluck is the pronunciation of the Thai word "英樂" (or perhaps pronounced in Hakka) and then converted into Latin characters.」without any argumentations or interviews cited in this article to prove it. Are there any reports related to her chinese name with more credibility?GLLBWinWin (talk) 06:36, 17 May 2023 (UTC)GLLBWinWin

I can't comment about said source specifically, but I don't think the name is relevant here and have removed it. I don't actually doubt the veracity of the fact—it's not uncommon for Thai people of Chinese descent do have Chinese names that they use in Chinese correspondence, etc. But this is the English Wikipedia. It's standard to only include names used in English, plus the original in the native language, which in this case is Thai. For some other people such as Dhanin Chearavanont, who have extensive activities in China, the Chinese name is is more relevant and could be included. But I don't see why this would be the case for Yingluck. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)