User:Alborz Fallah/Archive:User talk 2

Tabriz historical time line

The historical time line in Tabriz page looks redundant. The content in the time line is fully described inside the history section, having an extra text like time line like what is presented there really not helping to understand the history of the city better. It also doesn't cover the recent historical events (history after 1945). The other thing: it looks that that part is copy pasted from some other web site. So I think it is better to remove that part --F4fluids (talk) 15:14, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

معنی تغییر سازنده چیست ؟

آیا منظور شما از تغییر سازنده این است که به دروغ مثل یک نفر که خودش را به ندانم کاری زده بنویسم که آذربایجانی کلا ترک نیستند امروز هم فقط 100 نفر در تبریز به طور پراکنده ترکی حرف می زنند و از لحاظ ژنتیکی هم آذربایجانی ها مثل دیگر نقاط ایران آریایی هستند و اصلا و ابدا دارای موی سیاه و رنگ چشم تیره نیستند و مثل آریایی ها موی بلوند و چشم سبز-آبی دارند !!!!!!!--Arslanteginghazi (talk) 10:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi !

Hi, I do understand what you said, but instead of deleting my work which I reaserch and put, you should help to check the information first and see the sources !!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polpodo (talk • contribs) 19:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

?!?

Hi, why you did delete the section of Sunni Organization?!? I need to know

Re Azeri language

Regarding your comment here [1], hormetli Alborz, eger sozum sizi injitdise, uzr isteyirem. I just think knowing and fully learning own language or any language is a blessing that should not be prohibited or restricted. Unfortunately, the detractors try to paint a false political picture of anti-Iranism or pan-Turkism over this fundamental right. And you're a bit mistaken about lack of alphabet script for Azeri language, as you know, Shah Ismail Khatai wrote his poems in this language using Arabic script (see publications of it by Minorsky), and it was a court language during Safavid reign. This was 500 years ago. The same script was used by Hassan Zardabi in his first journal "Ekinchi" published in Azerbaijan in 19th century, and modifications to it to better reflect Turkic phonetics were proposed by Mirza Fatali Akhundov. The same Arabic-script based Azeri Turkic, was the official language of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic in 1918-1920, and was used in official correspondence. The change of script in the republic happened in 1920s from Arabic to Latin, then from Latin to Cyrillic in 1939 under Stalin, and in 1992 back to Latin. The reason for choosing Latin script is not Turkish (in fact, Azerbaijan SSR did switch from Arabic to Latin script before Turkish Republic), it was simply due to Latin script better fitting the Turkic phonetics than Arabic. Atabek 07:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Hörmətli Alborz. Ana dilimiz haqda düşüncələrini bölüşdüyün üçün təşəkkür edirəm. Regarding some of your comments on Azerbaijani language, any language is defined by its grammar not vocabulary. In our case, the grammar is Turkic, as a simple example the sentences in Azerbaijani language are not formulated the same way as in Persian, tenses are not the same either. Your concerns are about vocabulary, well let me remind you then that more than half of the words that you cited, and actually a considerable part of Persian vocabulary itself borrows from Arabic. Especially when you say "Ehteraam" , respectfulness in Persian and Arabic, there is one original there - Arabic.

I don't see a problem with that, because we live in the same region, and all neighboring languages borrow from each other. So does Azerbaijani enriched a lot from Arabic and Persian, as did Persian from Arabic and old Turkish, Turkish did from Persian and Arabic, Armenian did from Turkish and Persian, all of the above did from Greek, so what? Does it mean, one language has to reclaim all else especially above other nations? Every nation has its own unique identity, even English-speaking Americans and French-speaking Belgians have their unique identity distinct from English and French respectively.

And name Azerbaijan borrows from Aturpatakan (Atropatena) after Atropat, the Median satrap of Alexander the Great, not from Azerbaygan. Persian authors agree on this as well, as is official historiography of Republic of Azerbaijan, which we studied in school. I believe many of our disagreements are just based on stereotyping or labeling as pan-Turkist everything that remotely tries to identify Azerbaijani. I never had problem with Persians, in fact, have a deep respect to this culture, which enriched ours as well as we, Azeris, contributed a lot to Iranian culture as well. But language rights are a human right, and destruction of it or even worse torturing and jailing people for demanding this right is simply not right, the same as trying to remove references citing such reports. My best regards. Çox sağol. Atabek 15:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Alborz jan, thanks again for the note. Let me address your points one-by-one, as I believe there is misunderstanding going on:

• You say in Republic of Azerbaijan "they compare the Persians to Russians and Iran to USSR because of lack of information and media biases"

• Majority of people in the Republic are very friendly to Iran because of Iranian Azeris, whom we usually consider our compatriots. Political associations are usually established by political people, and most of those are dissidents from Iran itself.

• You say: "the self esteem and dignity of our Azeri counterparts suffered a lot in conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan and also in struggle for independent identity for a new country"

• True to some extent, not so much in the struggle for independence as in the war with Armenia, in which both Russia and Iran informally supported the aggression by the former. Nevertheless, this did not result in general backlash against either country, with which we share generations of friendship.

• You say: "that prejudice about "torturing and jailing people for demanding language right" (as atabek says)"

• It's not what Atabek says, it's what Amnesty International says, with many reporters there being Iranian Azeris themselves. Azerbaijanis in the Republic always had a position that Iranian Azeri issues should be resolved by Iranian Azeris themselves, to their own preferences. We can't impose our view on majority, but neither we expect lies, defamation or insult against our common history or identity.

• You say: "think all of this begin when Dacy reacted in an unfriendly manner in Iranian Azerbaijan history and threatened to get it to the arbcom"

• No, the whole issue started when User:Hajji Piruz (formerly User:Azerbaijani), to whose edits some of you were reverting, started intimidating me by editing my user page without permission and then clearly stating his goal that he wants go get me banned [2] and he did the same type of baiting with Dacy69 right before me. Then he was reverting and wikistalking me on every single page (does so up to now), not assuming good faith [3], then filing RfC [4] against myself to cover up his objective to disrupt me, and finally trying to push me into ArbCom, to which you're a party too, thinking that he can get me banned here because of previous Armenia-Azerbaijan ArbCom. Surprisingly User:Houshyar, User:Ariana310, and now confirmed banned socks User:Behmod and User:Pam55, as well as numerous confirmed socks of User:Tajik reappeared on Azerbaijan and Iran-related pages, helping out User:Hajji Piruz with his POV and OR pushing and 1RR per week restriction. The first two users, do so up to now at Qajar dynasty and Safavid dynasty, just reverting without discussion or review, often even reverting grammatical corrections. And out of all these, you sadly noticed only Dacy69's ArbCom request, which was done actually few days after User:Hajji Piruz provocation. I am open to discussions, and I hope we can put our (and I mean all editors') disagreements behind us. As I said, there is plenty of stereotyping going on. Çox sağol.Atabek 18:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

your remark

Could you elaborate on your comment on my page. Whio is negative? Who wanted to delete multisourced information and did it actually? Who threatened with revenge (saying what situation with talysh, kurds etc. - anyway, I don't mind to put information about human rights situation in the Republic of Azerbaijan). Who said that Azerbaijani literature is not sophisticated? Is it? Maybe Canadian or Slovenian litearture old and more sophisticated than Azerbaijani? What is scale of merit? Menin sene yazigim gelir ona gore ki, sen oz tarixinden, kokunden, edebiyyatdan xebersiszen.--Dacy69 19:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I dont have tension with Ahwaz at all. I support Awhaz edit. Bu mubayise Ahwaz ve men bir terefden ve Iran milletchileri diger terefden ve sen de olara yardim edirsen. Sagol, gardash.

Hello

Regarding your comments here: [5]

Please tell me what corrections I need to make to the previous version and I'll fix it up. Thanks for your insight.Hajji Piruz 15:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I want the Grandmaster himself correct it. If he didn't do that, I will do it myself or ask you to change it. That's interesting that all of the genetic studies say the same thing and that's the role of the local gene treasure over immigrant genes: That's a natural reality. In the old ages the transport equipments where inefficient and the great migrations where impossible, plus there where no food for the huge population of the immigrants. The mobile tribes on the back of the horses could not bring their wives and that means the mixture with the local population was unavoidable plus that , there was local technology of food gathering and the immunity to local diseases like Malaria and Measles...--Alborz Fallah 15:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, your right. Feel free to make the additions that you think is necessary.Hajji Piruz 17:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Independent Khanates

Why not, send me the articles to review. Atabek 20:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

And what's the purpose of this material on the page about khanates? Does it establish some kind of a fact? Atabek 19:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for fixing the Tabriz article, lets hope that our IP friend is also happy VartanM 06:01, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:Javad Khan to Tsitsianov page1 Small.jpg

Which script is that? I ask because you may be interested in contributing the basis work to an appropriate Wikisource, the image itself should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons so that other WMF project can make use of the image Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. :)

I mentioned Wikisource (www.wikisource.org) because it is trying to collect and record original texts, letters and speeches which have entered the public domain(i.e which are no longer copyright). The document you uploaded would certainly be within that project's scope. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Fazeri

Thanks for your comment. I didn't make any assumptions about you personally, so I don't why you left a comment on my talk page saying: "I know you may have the prejudice that I'm one of those assimilated Azeris". Did I ever express such thought against you? The pattern of assimilation is obvious in general from remote observations of the whole region. Moreover, Fakhteh Zamani is Canadian of Iranian origin, don't know why you would link her to "Iranian-American asylum seekers". These are human rights issues and shall be treated in that context, loss of linguistic identity via assimilation is a loss to Iranian culture in first place, so I am not sure why your choice is to concentrate on other, irrelevant details or personalities. Atabek (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Award

		The Original Barnstar
		I award you this Barnstar for your excellent contributions to Iran related topics. Also your excellent work on diverse range of topics from Iranian folklore to Garshasp! Happy Nawruz, Nawruzetan Farkhondeh Baad, Khoda Hamraahetaan and may you prosper. alidoostzadeh (talk) 03:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

About Razmi's Picture

Thanks for your reminder. I have added the rationale on the picture's page.Heja Helweda (talk) 00:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Please read the paper carefully

Hi,

The following paragraph that you insist on inserting in the article, is not found in the provided source. I would be glad if you point out the exact page where the author made such a claim. The source provided here is Are Kurds a Pariah minority by Michael Rubin which is not an advocate of Kurds anyway, and you can find his numerous articles written against KRG on the web but I looked hard for the following paragraph and I could not find it in the aforementioned article.

While other sources state that "most of the freedoms Turkish Kurds have been eager to spill blood over have been available in Iran for years; Iran constitutionally recognizes the Kurds' language and minority ethnic status, and there is no taboo against speaking Kurdish in public."

If you search for parts of the above paragraph, the only source that comes up is [6], an article from Slate, a partisan political website which is neither reliable nor NPOV, since it is written in the context of US-Iran political disputes. I prefer scholarly peer-reviewed academic journals, not some partisan source. If you have such a source, I would be more than happy to agree to including it in the article. Cheers!Heja Helweda (talk) 03:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

About Your Reverts and Edit war

The whole issue is the source you are referring to is neither academic nor reliable rather a partisan leftist argument which is not accepted beyond the fringes of anti-war movement who are desperately looking for any cheap excuse for appeasement of Middle Eastern tyrannies. Bring good sources from academic publications and peer-reviewed journals, then I will accept them no matter which side they support.Heja Helweda (talk) 05:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Anti-Iranian sentiment edits

While I appreciate the rather innovative edits adding the Joker into the article, I think the caption for the image is a bit long. In fact, i would submit that you should choose either the image (which details the text), or the caption; using both is redundant, and makes the image ripe for removal from the article. I would suggest that you find a very good source that relates the text as being anti-Iranian sentiment (your own personal synthesis cannot be used here). Towards that end, I am going toremove the image to the discussion page for further citation. We can certainly discuss the matter. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 17:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, i saw that, but think you are overlooking the more significant problem. I am trying very hard to preserve the image in the article, whch, you will recall is entitled Anti-Iranian sentiment. By noting the garb as Arab (and not Middle-Eastern), you remove the legitimacy of the image inclusion. At the time, most western comic-book readers couldn't tell the difference between Iranians, Iraquis or Omanis - the stereotypical outfits was enough to communicate the same message - the person was from the Middle East. By noting the image is Arab (which bears noting that the article being cited discusses the Arab As Terrorist, not Iranian), you remove much of the legitimacy for inclusion - the anti- sentiment is towards Middle-Easterners, according to the cited article, and specifically anti-Arab. As Iranians are ubiquitously keen to point out, they are not to be confused with Arabs. You can have it one way or the other, but not both. please let me know on my talk page, please. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

That is precisely my point. It presumes that the natural progression of the article is a folding into another anti-X sentiment article. You (being Iranian) are thinking you are being discriminated against because you are Iranian, when in actuality you are being discriminated against as being part of a group of people who happen to include Iranians (specifically, Middle-Easterners, as Arabs is a generically-used for folk from that region). The removes some of the specificity of the antipathy, thus loosening the claim of the article on it. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 20:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

This is why I think it is important to instead denote the outfit as Middle-Eastern, so as to not water down the intent of the image, which notes Joker as an ambassador of Iran (not an Arab country). If you want to stick with Arab, that is fine, but the merge proposal will likely occur shortly thereafter. If you wish to revert, I will take that as a sign that merging might be more encompassing that an article noting a sentiment that might very well surpass simple anti-Iranian sentiment. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 20:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Ardalan Principality

Hi; I did a research through google books and realized the term principality is actually the one used most as a reference to political structure of the dynasty. I would suggest to choose the word principality. Thanks. Sharishirin (talk) 23:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

False Azeris

Dear Alborz Fallah, Thanks for your efforts. I am agree that Azeris and Turkish people are not the same even they share the same language. However, I used the therm " turkic Azeris" which you have deleted. Secondly, some of the prominent Irani names that counted as Azeris are also false. For instance Reza Pahlavi and Leyla Foruhar. One of them Mazandarani by father and the another one Shirazi of complete persian origin. If Reza Pahlavi's mother is Azerbaijani that is not enough to call him an Azerbaijani. To remind you, Iranians are not jews o be determined by maternal line. And please notice, Azeri and Azerbaijani are totally different subjects. Everi inhabitant of Azerbaijani soil could be valled Azerbaijani, but not all of them to be called Azeris. As clear, Azeris are Indo-Iranian group. Please do not make such mistakes and avoid false informations. Ask for help the specialists if required. Bye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arkankipcak (talk • contribs) 21:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

For your attention

Dear Alborz Fallah, just wish to bring to your attention the following pernicious article, by Matthias Schulz, in der Spiegel of July 15, 2008: [7]. This article has been presented as some kind of an evidence on the Talk page of Cyrus the Great. You may wish to consult my brief response here: [8]. You may also wish to add your voice at the same place. With kind regards, --BF 15:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC).

Just to thank you

Mr. Fallah, I think you are an experienced Wikipedia master. Please help with your skill to improve the article on Rostam Farrokhzad. Some points of his death story, which reflects early arabic view on the matter, seems to be insulting. As clear, a fighter could not be beheaded without hard struggle. "...was caught and beheaded ". Was that such an easy job? --Faikpro (talk) 20:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Azerbaijani American

Do you even read edits, or do you just revert because everybody who is involved in some sort of argument with you is a priori wrong in your eyes? All I did was remove a repetitious phrase that was already contained in the body; you readded it under a completely unrelated pretext.[9] Please pay more attention to what you are reverting next time; it will save us both time. Parishan (talk) 06:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Your constant deletion of references to Iran from that article leads me to certain conclusions. Even the source itself defines Azerbaijanis as an ethnic group who lives in both Azerbaijan and Iran, despite not mentioning Iranian Azeris much within the Azerbaijani immigrant community. There might not have been enough research carried out, or lack of data, or other methodological reasons for not including them, - that is not the point. The point is, Iranian Azeris are accounted for as members of the global Azerbaijani ethnic community by the source, and your constant deletion of references to them can be interpreted as fear that Iranian Azeris are being 'torn off' the main Iranian immigrant body. That is NOT the case. Nobody is challenging the cultural affiliation of Iranian Azeris with Iran. That was the whole point of adding the 'Middle Eastern Americans' template into the article. The Azeris in that template were even added as an 'appendix' to other Iranians. In addition, the 'European Americans' template has a footnote referring to Iranian Azeris. Is this all not enough for a third-party reader to understand that, yes, Iranian Azeris are also Iranian Americans? Why do you keep deleting that information, why do you keep limiting Azerbaijani Americans to immigrants from Azerbaijan only, when that is clearly not the case? Also, before you decide to make any changes to the article, see the talkpage. Parishan (talk) 06:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Shamakhi Dancers

Mr. Alborz, do you have an idea of Shamakhi Dancers? I hope yes, you do. That is nearly a forgooten subject since the turkification and sovietication of Arran. Do you have any graphical or recorded sources portraying this subject? --Arkankipcak (talk) 00:29, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Arthur de Gobineau

Aghai mohtaram, Many thanks. I was certainly right, you have an idea of Shamakhi Dancers. There is also a book " Gorduklarim, Eshitdiklarim va Okhudughlarim" (pure memories of an author) which recalls a fiesta in the old Baku town that acompanied by Shamakhi Dancers. Description of the fiesta itself is short enough. I can remember whole the book, but not the name of the author. So, I can not make a link to that source since I have not get one of that book (published in 1970s in Baku). Shamakhi Dancers were presented as mysteriouse ( isolate) entertainment groups. So, I doubt whether those were Gypsies or the Roma People(Koli) lokated in Shamakhi (a capital town prior to Baku). What do you think of that? I need your expert opinion. If relation between the Shamakhi Dancers with Roma people is provable, then the vanished dance technique could be illuminated in comparision with Gujarati folk dances or other dances that influenced by Roma dance traditions. Or may be Kathak dance which is the most social dance form found in Indostan subcontinent. My Persian is good enough to speak, but I am slow in reading the Arabic writings. I shall read the plot of that book. Moreover, please extend and improve the Shamakhi Dancers page while have time. Sepasgozaram. --Arkankipcak 16:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Dear Alborz Fallah, I have now modified, and extended, the entry "Shamakhi Dancers". In doing so, I incorporated the reference to the novel by Arthur Gobineau, suggested by you, into the main text. I believe that the text of Shamakhi Dancers is in serious need of a reference to at least a single reliable document; in its present form, the entry stands on no solid basis. With kind regards, --BF 01:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC).

Javad Qajar Khoei

Nice to hear from you. You are right, the addition should be verified. You may remove my info concerned Javad Qajar, unless I supply the required sources. Unfortunately, despite the Azerbaijani pseudopatriots' wish Javad Qajar is not as popular name as thought to be. And so on there is limited sources on him available online. I have solid documents, old correspondence and other historical valuable matters on his life story. Sorrowfully at the moment I'am found far from my homeland. The historic documents are in Baku now. I have contacted the related persons to scan and send them to me if possible. Besidely you can delete my info from Javad Qajar page for that seems too strange. The Azerbaijan Republic people feed up by the local panturkist pseudopatriotic propaganda and they believe that Javad Qajar was born in Ganja and of Ganja native is. If he is of Ganja origin then why he carried the Qajar family name? Another example of the chain of fake ssenaries: Babak (Papak) Khorramdin is believed (in Az. Rep.) to be of turkic etnicity. If so, why he was a Zoroasrian? As known, the turkic tribes have had nothing to do with Zoroastrianism. They were Shamanists before converting to Islam. My email is: faikpro at gmail. com All the best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faikpro (talk • contribs) 19:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Manaf Suleymanov's book

Manaf Suleymanov's book in Russian "Gorduklarim, Eshitdiklarim va Okhuduglarim" Very interesting facts and descriptions. Late 19 and early 20 centuries.--Arkankipcak (talk) 12:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Armenian Turks

Are they Azerbaijanis? Or they are merely Turks from Armenia? They are nor Iranians neither Azerbaijanis.--Faikpro (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Who ?! --Alborz Fallah (talk) 15:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

the Yeraz people.--Faikpro (talk) 15:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh! That was great . I have never heard about them before . yer+Az ....low place ? I don't think so : that is perhaps a folk etymology. In Iran , there are many Azeris with the family name of Mohajer (Immigrant) : like Mohajer Irvani or etc . But there is no difference between them and others , I mean no especial group .Anyway , the Erivan khanate was a region with Azeri dominant population before the Russian invasion . I think we may count Yerazs as Azeris.The main difference was between the Tatars of Kirima and the Azeris : the Russians first could not understand the difference between them and call all of them Tatars . After a while , they begin to understand and differentiate Azeris and Tartars. But the interesting point is there were no difference between Persians and Azeris until early 20^th century in the documents . --Alborz Fallah (talk) 16:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

A request for arbitration regarding Iranian arabs and related articles has been filed

A request for arbitration regarding Iranian arabs and related articles has been filed, citing you as a party. you may participate at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration. MiS-Saath (talk) 14:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Pakhlava

I think that Mongols or other nomadic peoples of Central Asia have never had sweets before invading India and Iran. Suger and honey were business of the settling poplulations but not nomads. The original name for Baklawa initially was Pakhlava. Later on Pakhlava interpreted as Baklawa (P-B; Paris-Baris; Pahlavi-Fahlavi; Parsi-Farsi). Please think of that and add on the article if reasonable.--Faikpro (talk) 23:14, 16 August 2008 (UTC) Farsi vocabulary has plenty of loaned turkish words. Agree with you. Georgian sweet shops keep to sale some sort of Pakhlava that consists grinded Pakhlas mixed with honey. And they say that Pakhlava coocking technology come from Esfahan (?) dated to the time of Shah Abbas. Only after the Arabic invasion of Iran all the "P"s were converted into "B"s. If recall the Abbasid Baghdad Khalifate, should be said that was an Iranian culture adopted by the invaders. Ottomans (the nowadays turks) use mainly inherited Arabic outlook toward cultural subjects. They follow the Arabs pronouncing Bakhlava instead Pakhlava. Pakhlava itself is not an important subject to have sourced basement. Maybe that is local Tabrizi sweet but not nomadic as wel as Arabic or Turkic. In Arran Pakhlava was firstly innovated by the Shaki people who are descentants of Tabrizis.--Faikpro (talk) 17:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

On Unruled Paper (film)

You may wish to participate in the on-going discussion here: [10]. --BF 12:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Dear Alborz Fallah, thank you for your prompt response. Kind regards, --BF 13:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC).

Khūzestān Province

Just so we don't get into an edit war, I've reinserted the link to the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica entry for Arabistan because it is relevant to the article. You said that it was a mirror of a previous wikipedia page but actually it is a copy of the article on Arabistan from the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition. Another version can be found at http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/ here. (I know this is the case because I actually own an original set of the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica.) Hope this clears things up.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 19:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Azeris in Russia

Pls. look at the discussion page of Azeris in Russia.--Faikpro (talk) 18:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Elbures (Caspian and Azeri form of Alborz), I saw that you online, Thank you for removing the turkish names of sari which is a propaganda! But also you suggested some articles to be merged, I'm sure in separate articles we can focus on the title, Thank you --Parthava (talk) 09:30, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Shakarbura

Whether Irani Azeris familir with Shakarbura, that cooked during the Nowrooz celebrations? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faikpro (talk • contribs) 17:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Kaveh Farrokh

Rather than edit-warring over this article's introduction, perhaps you could contribute to the discussion at WP:RSN#Using the Radio Free Europe web site as a RS for someone's expertise? -- ChrisO (talk) 21:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

مرحبا

why not?? its just a map shows a diffrent name of the gulf i think the article talking about name dispute of the gulf --Bayrak (talk) 22:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

ok then..do it --Bayrak (talk) 22:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

dear alborz fallah thanks for your participation and vote ! i really got happy when i saw your + vote .thanks indeed.--Mardetanha ^talk 18:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Image use

Salam Alborz Fallah,

Thanks for your message and for your interest in my pictures.

My will to know where the image is used is mostly directed to people willing to use the images outside wikimedia foundation projects. So next time you use one of my pictures, don't bother leaving me a message if you don't have much time.

Ruzetun bekheyr. Fabienkhan | talk page 10:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

may you raed this to know that persian are language not origin that what i tried to say it many times to you with out beneft [11] --Bayrak (talk) 19:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Inappropriate images

Hi, Alborz Fallah. I believe that those particular images of the characters from the Shahnameh are unsuitable for the encyclopedia because they are one artist's idiocycriatic view of what the characters look like. I understand the need to illustrate these important articles but also feel strongly that any images included ought to be either traditional depictions or artworks inspired by the Shahnameh that are notable in their own right. A more appropriate image for this type of article might be a manuscript illustration, such as the one that appears in the article Rostam (File:Rostam toetet esfandyar.jpg). These miniatures exist in great numbers, are culturally appropriate, and because of their age may be uploaded with few concerns about copyright. The copyright status of the cartoons that User:Miladps uploaded, on the other hand, has been called into question [12]. Regards, Aramgar (talk) 22:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Persian ethnicity

Good idea! It's (mostly) all on my page now. --Enzuru 02:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Persian names

I wish to know the original Pesian names of the following Persian saints from the court of Shapur II martyred by Shapur II. In orthodox church we use only their Greek translations. Can you translate them back into Persian from English?

As is often the case in church hymns, there is a play on the meanings of these Persian saints' names here. Acindynus means "unimperilled"; Pegasius is derived from pegazo--"to gush forth"; Aphthonius is derived from aphthonos-"abundant"; Elpidephorus means "hope-bearing"; Anempodistus means "unhindered." These are all Greek translations of their Persian names.

It is important to me becase my two twin boys were born on their day (in Orthodox church we celebrate their memory Nov 15) and so they appear to be heavenly patrons of my children. You can read more about these Persian saints at: http://www.goarch.org/chapel/saints/270

--Roman Zacharij (talk) 00:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Why you were reverted

I have reverted your removal of a citation in the Persian Gulf article, and have initiated a section in the article discussion. I welcome your input there. :-) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 04:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Jayvdb - my new pages

Hello, when you opposed me, you indicated that it was because you believed that I was professionally involved in/professionally connected with an Azeri group. I am not; you can read more about me on "User:Jayvdb". I will email you more details if you would like. Please take a look at User:Jayvdb/New pages again; I have added a "country" column so that you can see that I create articles about every country with equal ease. I have created as many articles about Italy as I have about Azerbaijan, and all of my Azerbaijan were very small. See Venetian literature, which is much bigger, but I do not speak Italian or Venetian, nor do I have any professional connection to Italy. I also created Ayandeh and Fath Ali Khan, those are also better articles. It was actually while I was researching Ayandeh that I created OACIS for the Middle East an hour earlier. All of these were created due to my professional activities relating to librarianship, my leadership of the Academic Journals Wikiproject, and my leadership of Wikisource. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 07:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi ! Thank you for your response . I think the fact that you care about any comment makes you a great editor in Wikipedia. About my opinion , simply I don't have any solid evidence to prove it, but I think in electing someone for Arbitration Committee ,the voter can vote with theories and not necessarily facts, because that's a personal opinion.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 10:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

You are very welcome to have your own opinion of me, but you are alleging that I have a conflict of interest, which is quite serious. I would like to set the record straight if possible, because it is not right that you say false things about me. I had hoped that the above evidence would convince you that I didnt have a conflict of interest, but I can understand your relunctance.

I do not mind if you continue to oppose me; that is your right as a voter. However, your allegation is provably false, and I hope will assist in correcting this.

So, could you please select an arbitrator that you trust so that I can send my proof to them to confirm that I am speaking the truth.

Cheers, John Vandenberg ^(chat) 13:36, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, as I see here, the things that I say may have some consequences.Due to fact I'm not a native speaker of English language , I doubt my ability (and time) is sufficient to defend myself before some of energetic editors that suggest checking the mails or ethnicity of the participants (I am ethnic Azeri).Don't you think the person who is monitoring the inactive editors who are 3 days inactive , or call Persians as "...[who] see Wikipedia as a vehicle for promoting their nationalist POVs, work as a semi-organised team (votestacking on AfD etc) and are rabidly hostile towards anyone who stands in their way." , makes other editors unwilling to get involved?
My potential for involving more is limited .If you think it is a necessity to do all that for a mere vote (find an arbitrator and etc) ,it will be easier for me not to participate at all in this election. --Alborz Fallah (talk) 15:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest that while I do not personally think you are one of that grouping that are clearly being canvassed to vote (and let us be clear, there is canvassing occurring), that sort of behavior keeps occurring, and its the usual suspects that populated the Azerbaijani ArbCom last year, and the 300 film article - all were seeking to promote a view that took exception to any view that did not trumpet Azeri and/or Iranian culture. I myself have been accused of racism for simply insisting on citations. You may have been painted with the same brush, or treated guiltily by association. I find you relatively easy to work with (and anyone who can deal with my difficultness is to be commended). Chin up, Alborz. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 16:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, every vote is important! It is good that you have voted, whichever way you vote, and there will not be any consequences unless someone is maliciously spreading lies about me. I do not believe that you are being malicious so I am only here to ask that you allow me to demonstrate that I do not have a conflict of interest. I have emailed User:Arcayne with evidence of who I am. I will not bother you further. Thank you for voting. I wish everyone would vote. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 11:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Alborz. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 07:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

No need for that : you are spending your time and effort for a non commercial entity for all of the humans . So no need of thanks .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 07:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Alborz Fallah, I currently have a problem with a user here, who seems eager to do anything when trying to halt the creation of this article User:Ariobarza/Battle of the Tigris, even going as far as to propose a ban on me on old accusations that are false, if you could respond on my page, I appreciate it. Thanks.--Ariobarza (talk) 05:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

The time has come, you can go here, administrators' noticeboard to oppose my ban, I need as many votes I can get to survive. You can just make it very brief if you want, thanks again.--Ariobarza (talk) 13:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

Are you Turkish/Azeri??? --Bayrak (talk) 21:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

wow you are turkish i thought you were persian i love turks my user name refer to them nice to meet you --Bayrak (talk) 22:42, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Denny O'Neill

Regarding this revert, could you please cite where he said (speaking on anti-Iranian sympathies presented in comics):

"These sagas (comic books) are more than just entertainments, at least to many readers; they are the post-industrial equivalent of folk tales and as such, they have gone pretty deeply into a lot of psyches"

If we cannot cite that he said that, and that he said that in relation to anti-Iranian sentiment (thus avoiding problems with OR and synthesis by connecting different concepts), we cannot keep the statement in the article. If the statement fulfills that criteria, we need to cite it before re-adding that info. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 01:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, originally I made some changes in the structure of the sentence to avoid copy right problems , and the source is the same source of Jack G. Shaheen [13] and [14], but yet the original citation is from Denny O'Neill as it appears in (www.lulu.com/content/114869).--Alborz Fallah (talk) 07:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Translation request

Hi. Sorry to bother you, but I've come here because you're listed as someone who speaks Farsi/Persian, and we need someone who knows the language. Basically, we've got this article listed at WP:PNT, شهرستان بانه, and we don't know what it means. A machine translation gives gibberish, Talk:شهرستان بانه, but we don't know ifs accurate or a bad translation. If you have a free minute could you please take a look and give us the gist of it. Thank you--Jac16888^Talk 16:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm on your service , but I couldn't find the page . I will be glad to help ,if you mention the address .Thank you --Alborz Fallah (talk) 09:09, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, should have said, someone else translated it. Thank you very much for offering though--Jac16888^Talk 12:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Stewardship Election 2009

Thanks a lot for your vote and support in the Stewardship Election 2009! I'll probably try again next year, so... stay tuned :) Al Lemos (talk) 15:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks

Thank you Mr. Fallah for your concerns about the content of the articles about Iranian cities like Mashhad. (Koohkan (talk) 13:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

On Arvand Rud, etc.

Dear Alborz Fallah, you may wish to place Arvand Rud (in particular its talk page) and 1975 Algiers Agreement on your watch list. This in view of the persistent dubious actions of User:Ev. Kind regards, --BF 10:46, 14 March 2009 (UTC).

No, Ev has absolutely no point! He has just counted the words on Google. Please read my comments on the talk page of Arvand Rud (I have been there since yesterday). --BF 11:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I had no intention of changing the name of the entry (not now, as it is going to be a very time-consuming affair for which I have no time at present); what I have done, and Ev has been mindlessly undoing, is adding the name Arvand Rud after the name Shatt al-Arab in for instance the caption of the main figure. It is totally ahistorical to consider Shatt al-Arab as the true name of the river. Even to this day, the Shia in Iraq are referred to as Persians, and to my best judgement for very good reasons. The Arabs in the region had never been in any prominent political position to name the river Shatt al-Arab - they were a minority under the Ottomans and were viewed with suspicion (partly because they were Shia, which made them Persian fifth columnists in the eyes of the Sunni Ottomans). The name Shatt al-Arab came up in the 1920s, as an effort to partition Iran into Bantustans (think of the revolt of Shaikh Khazal in Khuzestan – he surrendered in 1924). The whole thing has parallels with Azarbaijan: historically, there has only been one region named Azarbaijan. The region which has become Republic of Azerbaijan, although formerly part of Iran, was not named Azarbaijan; the naming of the place as Azerbaijan was a political ploy to absorb the Azarbaijan Province into USSR (for this, you may wish to watch this video). In fact, as late as 1991 there has been a group of people in Republic of Azerbaijan clamouring that Iran had to relent her "claim" on the Azarbaijan Province and allow this province to join the Republic of Azerbaijan – the episode led to a major diplomatic confrontation between Iran and Republic of Azerbaijan. Left to itself, the conflict between Iran and Iraq on the issue of Arvand Rud may resurface again – not long ago, some Iraqi politicians where sending out messages that since the 1975 Algiers Treaty was signed by Saddam Hossein, they did not recognize it and that "Shatt al-Arab" was wholly Iraq's. Please read this idiotic comment, written by a mercenary in the pay of a Saudi newspaper publisher. To be explicit, there is no reason to take things easy; if we want to prevent future conflicts and wars, we have to do our utmost to prevent falsehoods to take root. Regarding Arvand Rud, the fundamental point is that during thousands of years that this river has been flowing inside Iran, it must have had a name, and this name could not have been Shatt al-Arab. How could possibly Shatt al-Arab open into Persian Gulf? We cannot feign ignorance! --BF 13:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

PS: You may wish to consult this article. --BF 15:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

As I said earlier, I had no intention of changing the name of the article (at any rate not for now). Ev has no point, whatever (I am surprised that you keep referring to Ev, as though he had a point). His attempt at removing the name Arvand Rud from the captions of figures has no justification: throughout the recorded history, Arvand Rud (in whatever way one viewed the river) has been inside the borders of Iran and only in the Qajar era has it became the border between Persian Empire and Ottoman Empire (I again remind you, that Ottomans being Turks, and not Arabs, not until 1919 could the super-Arabic name Shatt al-Arab have had currency). I was well aware of the shortcomings of the article by M. Kasheff. Nonetheless, the article makes the point clear that the name Shatt al-Arab has no historical basis, in contrast to Arvand Rud. This map shows Iran in 1808, at which time Baghdad was located almost on the Western border of Iran (compare with this map of 1900 – the difference between the two maps is attributable to Fath Ali Shah - while Europe was progressing like never before, this degenerate man was trying to buy a piece of heaven for himself, not symbolically, but physically - he dementedly believed in this nonsense; he filled his court with idiots who spent every hour of the day and every day of the year arguing whether one had to enter a lavatory with left foot or with right! When he was not involved in these stuff, he was busy making children with his countless wives. In short, he is one of the worst people ever to sit on the Throne of Iran). Incidentally, to realise what the Qajar did to Iran, you may wish to read this aricle (and watch its associated audio slideshow); the Zell os-Soltan to whom reference is made in the audio, was utterly ruthless and a murderer of the first order; he treated the people of Esfahan as less than animals (when in 1881 Russians annexed Eshqabad, his father, Nasser ad-Din Shah, did not find the matter sufficiently important to merit his attention; he kept playing with Malijak and his countless wives in the Golestan Palace in Tehran).

Two last remarks. First, international treaties are part of what one calls International Law. In the Algiers Treaty of 1975, signed and ratified by both Iran and Iraq, explicit reference is made to Arvand Rud. Already on the basis of this legal document, Arvand Rud is the legal name of the river at issue (by custom, the two countries have agreed with all the provisions explicitly stated in the text of the Treaty). To appreciate the gravity of the matter, in 1813 Iran lost the region between the solid red and black lines in this map on the strength of this pesky document (that happened under the auspices of the above-mentioned infantile Qajar king Fath Ali Shah). Second, the articles by Iran Chamber Society systematically and consistently refer to Arvand Rud (consult for instance this one).

Let us conclude the discussion here; I have no more points to add to my arguments. --BF 22:29, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Iranian Arabs

Hello Mr. Alborz Fallah. Sorry for my edit in Iranian Arabs' page, but please correct me if I’m wrong. There are more than 300,000 Belochi people live in Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and UAE. Isn’t this a big number? For generations they lived between Arabs, They speak Arabic and some of them consider themselves Arab, so don’t you think it's unfair to prejudice their rights for not mentioning them in this page? I thought this page is general about Iranian Arabs? like Arab who went to Iran and Iranians who went to the Arab countries? Or should you guys make a separate page for Arab Iranians to give those people their rights to be mentioned? Of course I’m not only talking about Beloch, there are Ashkananis, Bahbahanis among others who lived between Arabs and speak Arabic. Mussav (talk) 20:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

سلام علیکم . I didn't get the point ! The Baloch people don't speak an Arabic dialect . The page is about the Iranian Arabs , but if some of the Balochs speak Arabic in their new residence,we can't consider the whole population back in Iran as Arabic language (ethnically Arab).Many Turks in Germany speak German, then is it reasonable to count Turkey as a country with Germanic ethnicity ?!And again I can't figure out what's "prejudice" and "unfair" here .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 21:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, good point about the Turks in Germany. sorry if I confused you and thanks for your time. Mussav (talk) 21:09, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit: I just found this Turks in Germany, I think you guys should make one for the Iranians in the Arab countries. Just a suggestion. :) Mussav (talk) 21:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the article Baloch diaspora covers it in parts , but if you have more information , you can add a sub title to that one , or a new one under "Balochs in Arabic countries" .شکرا --Alborz Fallah (talk) 21:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Iranian province templates

Hi! Thanks for your help with Template:East Azarbaijan Province. Can you help translate and convert to standard Wikipedia:WikiProject Iran/Provincial templates. Many thanks! As soon as they are translated into english I can get the articles started on here!! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 08:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi ! My thanks for your interest . I will do my best to translate them ( as my time allows ) , but anyway , the provincial divisions of Iran are subject to rapid change , and I'm not sure if the templates show the up-to-date information.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 09:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello! What's wrong with it? It looks good to me!!! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC) I'll look into it now, BTW I've restarted Aspathines for you but note we don't accept copyrighted text from other sites directly. You can add info in you own words derived from sources but you arenot permitted to copy text directly, this is why it was deleted. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:25, 27 July 2009 (UTC) Should be OK now. I wouldn't bother with shrinkable section it complicates it. Looks fine now. If the templates gets too big then you can say state=collapsed and it will shrink the whole thing. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC) Keep up the good work on the templates anyway, soon enough they'll be sorted. When that is done I'll need your help adding the iranian wiki link to the articles I create, particularly on the cities!Regards. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

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Hi dear friend

I think those words make no sense for an English speaker when he/she wants to decide to click on the links before. Yeah, District is not Bakhsh exactly, but how can we make it understandable for an english speaker? I did just like other pages of Iranina cities which have done in the same way. But u may find a better english word for Bakhsh if u like. Regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pournick (talk • contribs) 02:40, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• Hi again, yeah it would be good, do ur best. regards,— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pournick (talk • contribs)
• I dont have a photo of that cemetry, Sorry.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pournick (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI

You are invited to join WikiProject TRANSWIKI and join the Persian language transwiki project. The aim is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from Persian wikipedia and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge and to improve existing articles by translation and finding reliable sources to back up information. We need your help, so please join up as your language skills are crucial to improving coverage of Iran on wikipedia in depth. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you ! I will do my best .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 11:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

user:Ata Fida Aziz's edits

Aye, as a most recent reliable editor of Aliabad, could you check the page after sockpuppet user:Ata Fida Aziz's edits? I'm unsure if his/hers edits are useful or not. Cheers, --Rayshade (talk) 12:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC) Hi! I think his/her edits are OK .What's the problem with that edits?--Alborz Fallah (talk) 10:09, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah sorry, didn't look hard enough, Aziz's edits just re-sorted the disambig page. Thought it was all messed up. Is the Persian language entry ok? Cheers, --Rayshade (talk) 12:15, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Get nothing wrong in Persian entries , but if we want to be very precise, the Azerbaijan Republic Əliabads and Aliabads are a little bit ambiguous in that if the pronunciation make some of them Əliabad and some others Aliabad, then why in English Wikipedia there are still unknown "Ə" words with unknown pronunciations and if we can include Əliabads in Aliabad disambiguation page?--Alborz Fallah (talk) 18:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

That is good a point to transferring whole of the word to English but there will be further problems. If you notice to Google tests you will find that the use of those Farsi words is very limited in comparison of current situation (a couple of hundredes for Azarbaijan-e Sharghi). So still I think that the best way is to keep using Azerbaijan or Azarbaijan with English word of West and East.

About Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan: since the word of Azerbaijan is already a most common word used for the region (72,600,000 for Azerbaijan versus 738,000 for Azarbaijan) for someone who is not familiar with the region it will be bewildering to using another word. So may be we have to start changing the words in our articles.

--Microinjection (talk) 19:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

East Azerbaijan or West Azerbaijan is a combination of a verb and its adjective (like east wall and so on, of course here it is used for special place). So from this point of view it seems that using both of East Azerbaijan and West Azerbaijan is fair enough.--Microinjection (talk) 18:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Although they (East+Azerbaijan) are used as a proper name but the whole word was like verb+adjective also. Well actually the East and West are English translations for the Farsi adjectives. So they have to be used as adjective as it is utilized in English grammar. It is like West Germany or East Germany. About Ardabil we cannot do anything here (I'm sure that you are not about changing the names as West, Central and East Azerbaijan provinces ;) ).--Microinjection (talk) 04:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I didn't mean translating whole of the structure, but there is a very similar case, this is exactly the same as East Germany. Azerbaijan is a common verb in English referring to the region and we are translating East. So it seems that East Azerbaijan is the proper name. There is another issue: language for the region is Azerbaijani not Farsi so if you think that transferring the name may be it is better to transferring Azerbaijani name (Sharqi Azerbaijan). I don't know anymore.--Microinjection (talk) 11:28, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

About southern states of United States it is really a different story (we may discuss on it later on but for right now lets to talk about Azerbaijan). Using two different words for the region and states name is more bewildering. So when you are saying for someone Azerbaijan he would think that you are talking of Azerbaijan republic not about this two Iranian states.--Microinjection (talk) 19:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Well I think that using a correct word is better than using a widely misspelled word. The problem with the word is that someone is used incorrectly at very early time and the others followed his/her misspelled word. By the way I think this conversation is going to last very long time. In meanwhile I will be very busy with other stuffs so I cannot update the conversation for few weeks and for right now this is my last response. May be a third party should decide about the naming dilemma. Many thanks!--Microinjection (talk) 21:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Well I have changed the articles when at very early conversation you accepted that East Azerbaijan is the correct word (as you said: "... But have to admit that is a good point ... maybe it's better not to change it only in this article , and change it in all of the other articles that use the word."), afterward when I started to change another conversation started! By the way we have to wait for a third party's point as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Microinjection (talk • contribs) 15:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! That is a good idea. We have to wait for the third party's opinion. Also I'm really busy but I will try to follow up the procedure--Microinjection (talk) 19:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Alborz; As you may notice the articles are changed after very first discussion when you clearly said that we have to change the word (as it means there to Azerbaijan)in whole of the articles. I mean this phrases "Well, I have not thought about that ! But have to admit that is a good point .....Until then , maybe it's better not to change it only in this article , and change it in all of the other articles that use the word....". After your message that you wanna to have more discussion there should be no other change except additions, I think. For right now according to whole of the proofs and opinions I think that it is very clear that which opinion is the correct one. About 2nd users: Every body can see the history as well (it is not a secret matter just for locked articles I have asked the other user). By the way you may ask the Matheuler again for a another opinion again (I think you may request on his talk page as well as Tabriz talk page). It is ok for me. But before asking him there is a question: will you accept his opinion, or not there are further conditions??? Thank you again.

May be you are right. But as I told before we have provided whole of the proofs and I think you have done the same. The matter is just the conclusion which I think it should be done by a neutral opinion (already it is done once but you may ask him to concluding once again according to the newer discussion). As I said before after few initial negotiations the rest of them are repeating the same things so it is going to be a very long meaningless negotiations. The matter that I'm worry about is that once you said your personal desire about this matter that as Iranian Azerbaijani .... I hope you are not making a bias based on your personal desire. So let's to accept the neutral opinion. Regards. --Microinjection (talk) 18:31, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Well there is personal desire andthere is something called reality. If they are against each other we have to write the right thing. By the way If someone wanna to use just his/her personal desire it is another issue (I hope that think this is not the case here).--Microinjection (talk) 18:53, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Alborz; You are right! Sure, you or anyone else can have any desire. But when we are about writing an article inside an encyclopedia to introduce it we have to take care about introducing it in a correct way, with a correct name. Of course you know whole of this things....--Microinjection (talk) 22:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Alborz; I found another comparison way. You may try Google book search which is showing the use of the word inside the books and scientific materials. Here is the results: East Azerbaijan = 630, vs East Azarbaijan =356.--Microinjection (talk) 14:53, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Alborz; What do you think about the survey result? I mean do you have any idea about how to conclude the discussion and survey? Thanks. Micro..--Microinjection (talk) 23:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Alborz; Just would you please put your opinion about the issue on Tabriz page as well? Thanks. Micro...--Microinjection (talk) 11:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Alborz; Thank you for a very serious discussions and good luck. Micro...--Microinjection (talk) 19:55, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Photo request

Is Mehrabad Airport convenient to where you are? If so, would you mind photographing the Iran Air headquarters there? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 05:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi! Yes it is , but I'm not sure if getting photos is restricted there or not (Mehrabad airport is also a military airport) , but I will try my best .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 06:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :) WhisperToMe (talk) 09:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi! Have you had the chance to photograph the Iran Air HQ? In the meantime I uploaded shots of the HQs of Air France and Alitalia that I had taken myself (I previously uploaded a shot of the Continental Airlines HQ that I had taken myself.) WhisperToMe (talk) 01:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Dast

Dorood I am not sure why they deleted the panj-tan dast picture you took...you might want to try it again.

Template:Bushehr Province

Hi. I started stubs on cities, can you find Persian wiki links and add at bottom of article like [[fa: version? Thanks.Starzynka (talk) 19:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I try to help get principal towns started, perhaps some basic info can be add to articles. Also Template:Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari Province. No more for moment, I start in periods. Good evening to you.Starzynka (talk) 19:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks I do more Iran stubs tomorrow, thanks for your help.Starzynka (talk) 21:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Esfahan, Fars, Qom and Semnan done. I wait now until you finish. Starzynka (talk) 13:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

IMPORTANT!

Can you please leave me your email below your text? I have some important private questions which I don't want to share here... --93.142.146.88 (talk) 03:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

If I can be a help , that's no problem ! This is my mail :aft19701357@yahoo.com --Alborz Fallah (talk) 16:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I've sent you my email. Thank you! --93.142.169.45 (talk) 18:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Green Movement

This user strongly supports the Green Movement of Iran (GMI) جنبش سبز ایران.

Pls put this userbox in your user page if you support Green Movement of Iran and send it to your friends in Wiki.

About Azerbaijan or Azarbaijan ?

I agree with microinjection, the things Aborz fallah said about ironcity etc is somethings totally different.

Here we r making the" ENGLISH" page of these places and we should use the word which "ENGLISH PEOPLE" use not translation of persian pronunciation! Pournick (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

The English name is not clearly known , but overall , I and Microinjection agreed to use Azerbaijan here , just because the analogy seems tobe important for the main English-language reader . By the way , the person that asked Behzad to unblock you was me , but the template about independence of south Azerbaijan from Iran , do makes me sick ! dostum: bunlar nədir ki siz deyirsiniz?!--Alborz Fallah (talk) 20:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Arbcom notice: 1953 Iranian coup POV

You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#1953 Iranian coup POV and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

• Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for Arbitration;
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For your information

Dear Alborz Fallah, you may have noticed the deletion tag on this page. Insofar as I am aware, almost all, if not all, of the photographs on the latter page are due to User:Pournick who has since some time been blocked for good from Wikipedia; there is therefore no one who would take care of these photographs, some of which are very interesting. Would you be so kind as to bring these photographs to the attention of the people who might be able to find some natural home for them in Wikipedia? At present I have not much time to spend on Wikipedia work, so that I myself will not be able to do anything useful with the photographs. With kind regards, --BF 02:11, 30 April 2010 (UTC).

Arabian Gulf

There is a user [15] who has been inserting Arabian Gulf in some articles. Agha Nader (talk) 00:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Aref

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Unreferenced BLPs

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You saw it, I advise you to see the end —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.76.66.69 (talk) 16:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Ardabil Anthropology Museum

HI. Can you expand this using Persian sources or whatever? Dr. Blofeld 21:36, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi! Sure , I also have many photos of that museum myself that I can use it in article .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 11:01, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Sanandej , Sanandaj and Sanandaj Airport

Hi ! Xqbot redirected all of them to the Airport . The [official] city name is Sanandaj and the Kurdish (unofficial) name is Sanandej . Now the article about the city is vanished !! Please help to get it back ...--Alborz Fallah (talk) 11:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I were searching the information about the city by many hours, and I find nothing, so I decided to redirect it to the Airport meanwhile. According to this, Sphilbrick (talk · contribs) Deleted the page for make a move, maybe information about the city still on the hidden logs. Tbh®tch^{Talk ©} Happy Holidays 18:56, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Peak parentage

Hi. You recently changed the parentage of several peaks on List of peaks by prominence. If you read topographic prominence, you'll see that by definition, a peak's parent is higher peak, not the range that contains it. And since Elbrus and Davamand are the highest peaks of their ranges, their parents must of necessity be outside their ranges.
—WWoods (talk) 17:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed change in 1953 Iran coup article lead

Hi, I'm polling editors active in the 1953 Iranian coup article on the issue of revising two sentences in the article lead.

• Changing the first sentence from:
  • The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, on August 19, 1953 (and called the 28 Mordad coup d'état in Iran), was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States.
  • to: The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, on August 19, 1953 (and called the 28 Mordad coup d'état in Iran), was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh organized by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States.

(NOTE: a new book (Iran and the CIA) provides some scholarly evidence that this sentence should be changed further but for now this is more accurate.)

• changing this phrase (which talks about an element in the motivation for US involvement in the coup):
  • from ... resolute prevention of the slim possibility that the Iranian government might align itself with the Soviet Union, although the latter motivation produces controversy among historians as to the seriousness of the threat.
  • to: the ... resolute prevention of Iran falling under the influence of the expansionist Soviet Communist "empire".

The change is discussed here and reasons for the change also here

Hope you have time to give it a look see, --BoogaLouie (talk) 02:14, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Azerbaijanis

Azerbaijanis living in all five regions and countries (Azerbaijan, Iran (South Azerbaijan), Georgia (Borchali), Russia (Dagestan) and Turkey (Kars, Igdir)) speak the same language .... The articles about persons should be presented the name of their native language, regardless of the alphabet. Azerbaijani Alphabet of Northern and Southern Azerbaijan is the same. The difference is that some in the Latin alphabet while others do not. Uighurs write in two different alphabets, but they always add Latin and Arabic alphabet. Dagestani Azeris write in the Cyrillic alphabet, but their names are always identified by the Latin. The fact that you take away the names of the Azerbaijani language in the Iranian Azerbaijanis say that you do not want to be present in the article. How can I post this to believe that you are Iranian Azeri? I beg to return azeri names. I have relatives in Parsabad and they read in Latin. I sometimes think that only in Parsabad Iranian Azeris are trying to maintain ties with Azerbaijani, Georgian and Dagestani Azeris. Where is the unity of Azerbaijanis? Charter of Solidarity of Azerbaijanis of the world, adopted in 2008 was just like that? Mən incitmək istəmirəm ... Küskün qardaş olmaq etməyin. Look here is to end.

Nobody said that the Azerbaijanis of Azerbaijan, Georgia and Dagestan think otherwise. Azerbaijani alphabet consists of two parts (more precisely the three, but the Azeris in Dagestan is still trying to get closer to Azerbaijan). I believe that the right to add two names. Add in an article on President Ilham Aliyev. I agree. Please do not remove the name of the Azerbaijani latin. [16]

By the way, if you want my opinion, I think the Azerbaijani Revolutionary better than the Aliyev family. Although Azerbaijani revolutionaries changed the lives of northern Azerbaijanis, tore them away from Iranian influence, but they always tried to be closer to the South Azerbaijan. History Pishevari confirms it ...

Mən küskün əgər qardaşı, məni bağışla.

If it were not Baghirov and Pishevari we do not know what would happen to the people of Azerbaijan. Some Iranian Azeris call themselves or Turks or Persians (there is in Moscow, an Iranian, it is clear that it is an Azerbaijani, but she denies it). Thanks Azerbaijani agents and cultural figures from the North Azerbaijan began to develop a culture to strengthen ties between the Soviet Azerbaijani (Azerbaijan, Georgia and Dagestan) and Iranian Azeris. In Iranike said that in 1945-1946. South Azerbaijan began to revive the literary Azerbaijani language. In our area say this: the language we are Turks, Iranians, we soul and mind we are Caucasians. That is correct - we are Iranians, our Turkic language, but the mentality of our Caucasian-Persian. I can add the Azerbaijani version of Perso-Arabic for Rashid Behbudov. For others, the Azerbaijanis, I do not know how their names will be in the Azerbaijani version of the Perso-Arabic.

Made for Rashid Behbudov . For the rest of northern Azerbaijanis (Azerbaijan, Georgia and Dagestan) do not know the Azerbaijani version of Perso-Arabic.

Have you seen this article.

Have you watched films of Northern Azerbaijan? I would like to invite you to look at it and it + extension, and one more thing this. Do not pay attention to the Cyrillic alphabet, all the films in the Azeri language.—Preceding unsigned comment added by

188.123.232.169 (talk) 12:20, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll tell you. During the war, Iran had no help and right now has not. Turkey closed its border with Armenia. Azerbaijanis from Georgia went to fight in Karabakh. Chechens and Afghans went to war for us, we have among the national heroes of the Mountain Jews, Russian, Talysh itp And where were the Iranians? Iran has more influence in Iraq and improving its relationship with Iraq, and why he's not trying to improve relations with Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan?

Azerbaijanis living in the south, closer to Iran. The population of Nakhchivan is closer to Turkey, in some northern areas, local people go to Russia.

If all is not well in Iran, then why the demonstration occurred in 2006 and the uprising in Tabriz in 1981? Shariatmadari also the same as Pishevari? Why did the Iranian government equates us to the Turks, when we have nothing common with the Turks (just like language). The Government of Dagestan is doing everything possible to split the nations, including Azeris maintained strong ties with their fellow tribesmen across the border. In Georgia, even Nowruz declared a public holiday. And what does Iran? Why in Iran there is an association of Azeri political prisoners? Why Iran is actively cooperating with Armenia, but not with Azerbaijan? Such views and break ties with Iran. If Iran does not want it, let them remember that we are his brothers. Iran is forgotten. Shahryar always spoke that he is Azeri, but from Khamenei, I've never heard that he called himself an Azerbaijani. How to understand it. Even Musawi said the Azerbaijani people, and Khamenei in a meeting with the Kurds said that Turks living in Iran. It's an insult.

Kim öz xalqının, öz vətəninin düşmənidirsə, kim özünün namusunu

və azadlığını satmaq istəyirsə, gəlsin mənim başımı aparsın.

Ancaq həmin xainlər bilsinlər ki, onlar birinci öz başlarını itirəcəklər.

Qatır Məmməd

My personal opinion - our brother Iran, but Iran does not do anything for us and never did. Whatever, it may, we are one people and should remember their history, culture and traditions and to maintain cultural ties.

And you do not want to get involved Azerbaijan in Wikipedia?

National costume of Azerbaijanis in Iran is the same as all the Azerbaijanis? I watched films of Iranian Azerbaijanis, and never saw the Iranian Azerbaijanis for example in this costume. Seen only among children in a song of Araz Elses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.123.232.169 (talk) 09:20, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

There is no forgery. In the entire Caucasus clothes look like, but they differ in certain details. I you can say for sure that one of the Azerbaijani from Parsabad will not say so as you are. May want to say that the entire Azerbaijani culture - it is a fake. I say this because we have much in common with the Iranians and the Caucasus.

Elchibey was a Turkish goat (excuse me for saying). He reigned only one year. Mutalibov was the president of Azerbaijan for two years (1990-1992). When in Palestine, killing one Palestinian child, then Iran immediately scolds Israel, and when in the reign of Mutalibov events occurred in Khojali, Iran has said nothing against Armenia. After removal from power Elchibey, came to power Heydar Aliyev. Armenians seized 4 districts (Zangelan, Kubatly, Jebrail and Fizuli). All 4 areas were on the border with Iran. Why Iran is not helped when Azerbaijanis from the territory of Zangelan fled across the Aras? Pakistan does not recognize Armenia and is ready to send troops if war breaks out. Who is Pakistan and who is Iran. Why Iran does not do as Pakistan. We will return Karabakh. Karabakh or death.

Since Armenians conflict has a century history. Armenian-Tatar massacres (Tsarist Russia called our the Transcaucasian or Azerbaijanskiye Tatars), Armenian-Azerbaijani war of 1918-1920 and at the same time the massacre of Muslims in Zangezur, the deportation of 100,000 Azerbaijanis from Armenia in 1947-1951., Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. And for all this time, Iran has never helped. Close the topic of the Armenian-Azerbaijani relations in the years of Soviet Azerbaijan. Where was Iran during the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, 1918-1920 and 1988-1994 years. I do not want that Turkey has always been with us, because I believe that we are linked with Iran. However, Iran has never wanted a close relationship with the northern Azeris.

Nakhjavan? Actually, the correct name of Nakhchivan (Naxçıvan). What did Iran to Nakhichevan? When the first Armenian Republic invaded to the Republic of Araks, Iran was occupied by others. Then, when the Bolsheviks established the Soviet power in the Caucasus, then in Nakhchivan held a referendum and the republic remains part of Azerbaijan. During the war in Karabakh Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic was a partial blockade. When the Popular Front of Azerbaijan tried in 1993 to organize a coup in the autonomous republic and overthrow the power of Heidar Aliyev, the Minister of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan Iskender Hamidov publicly said that at rallies in Nakhchivan were visible the mullahs from Iran. Before 31 December 1989, when Azerbaijanis have destroyed the Soviet-Iranian border, in Nakhchivan in 1980s there were cases demonstrations of portraits of Khomeini. However, during the Karabakh war, assistance was only by Turkey.

Alborz Fallah I have nothing against Iran can not have, because I come from a border area and I have relatives in Iran. I can not understand, do you think is that the Azeris in Azerbaijan, Georgia and Dagestan have forgotten who they are has?

About the unity of Iran. You are right about unity. I want to make a few exceptions^ Massoud Rajavi and his Mujahideen-e Khalq, the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan, Baluchistan Liberation Army, qashqai uprising in 1943, Southern Azerbaijan National Awakening Movement, separatism in Khuzestan among Iranian Arabs, Khiyabani proclaimed state Azadistan etc. Do you think that I or someone else does not know the history of Iran? I have roots in Iran.

Dear brother. Personally, I know what relation to Azerbaijan, Iran is playing. Ordinary people want so that the brother of Iran and dear friend Georgia pressured Armenia as follows until the closing of borders. On YouTube has many videos on the relations between Iran and Armenia. Russian-speaking Armenian media writes that Iran is not living Azerbaijanis that the alleged Iranian Azeris are themselves so they say. Last year, one channel of Iran made a movie where the Jewish Star of David on the background of the national flag of Iran. Armenians and Iran's policy - these are two factors that do not allow Azerbaijan to move closer to Iran.

Dear brother of Jews for centuries have been very close-knit people. Azerbaijanis, too, must be united people, no matter where they lived in Azerbaijan, Iran, Georgia, Dagestan and Turkey. I'm not saying that the Iranian Azerbaijan should secede from Iran or North Azerbaijan should join Iran. Just have to keep every Azerbaijani spiritual and cultural values of his people to remember their history and not allow the enemies of Azerbaijanis split his nation to another nation. During the Karabakh War against Azerbaijan fought even Ossetians and Armenians are one of them made a Hero of Artsakh.

Northern Azerbaijanis are happy when they come in Ardebil and Tabriz. I really want to Ali Khamenei or Moussavi came to Azerbaijan.

Dear brother, I advise you to also become a participant in the project of Azerbaijan.

The only region of the Republic of Azerbaijan, where Iran could increase its influence - it's southern and central regions of Azerbaijan. In these regions, the general population - a Shia + many of those who do not like the regime of the Aliyev clan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.123.232.169 (talk) 13:23, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Look, I've added a Azerbaijani Perso-Arabic for Caucasian Azerbaijanis [17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28] Look, whether written by Azerbaijani names on the Azerbaijani Perso-Arabic. If you can add Azerbaijani Perso-Arabic to the Caucasian Azeris from Azerbaijan, Georgia and Dagestan, you add. I myself hard. I can only add to the Iranian Azerbaijanis Azerbaijani Latin alphabet. Here is a list of all known Azerbaijanis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.123.232.169 (talk) 15:42, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Azeri Latin, I do not include in the article on Sami Yusuf because it is the same as the English spelling, although the ancestors of Sami Yusuf from the Northern Azerbaijan. Tell me you're not from the Parsabad? I'm from Imishli. Iranian influence there still some there. Say me, as word Azeri latin İran azərbaycanlıları will be on Azerbaijani Perso-Arabic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.123.232.169 (talk) 19:24, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• Hello. While the Azarbaijani Kurds AfD nomination is already closed, I still believe that the Azarbaijani Kurds deserve an article of their own as long as this complies with Wikipedia standards and guidelines. At any rate, I like the way you explained your side. I can see that you're an expert on this subject matter. Unfortunately, the AfD was already closed before I can vote Keep. There's always a next time though. You can inform me with a neutral message on my talk page if there's another AfD on the same topic in the future. Pmresource (talk) 20:43, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

2nd proposed change in 1953 Iran coup article lead

Hi, I'm doing another poll of editors active in the 1953 Iranian coup article on the issue of revising a phrase in the article lead. It's a repeat but I didn't explain it well in the first poll.

• changing this phrase (which talks about an element in the motivation for US involvement in the coup):
  • from ... resolute prevention of the slim possibility that the Iranian government might align itself with the Soviet Union, although the latter motivation produces controversy among historians as to the seriousness of the threat.
  • to: the ... resolute prevention of Iran falling under the influence of the expansionist Soviet Communist "empire".

The reason for the change is discussed here and is, briefly, that the sentence as is doesn't match the rest of the article, (and doesn't match most of the books that deal with US motivation in the coup).
The US motivation section gives only one author (Abrahamian) who thinks the US leadership wasn't seriously worried about the possibility that Iran might become a communist country, while listing several who thought cold war motivation of the US was important.
An even more thorough examination of the sources dealing with issue is here.

Hope you have time to give it a look see, --BoogaLouie (talk) 01:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed change 2.1 in 1953 Iran coup article lead

Aliwiki (here) and Kurdo (here) have both made complaints about the proposed changes that I think have merit, so I'm revising the change so that Iran falling under the influence of the expansionist Soviet Communist "empire"[7] refers to the US administration point of view and not a statement of fact.
The to-be-revised text and revised text are in italics. --BoogaLouie (talk) 17:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Current wording

• "Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott. while using Iranian agents to undermine his government. With a change to more conservative governments in both Britain and the United States, Churchill and the U.S. administration of Dwight D. Eisenhower decided to overthrow Iran's government though the predecessor U.S. Truman administration had opposed a coup."

• "The tangible benefits the United States reaped from overthrowing Iran's elected government was a share of Iran's oil wealth as well as the resolute prevention of the slim possibility that the Iranian government might align itself with the Soviet Union, although the latter motivation produces controversy among historians as to the seriousness of the threat."

Proposed change

• "Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott. while using Iranian agents to undermine his government. By 1953 both Britain and the United States had more conservative governments and the new US Eisenhower administration reversed its predessor's opposition to a coup, fearing that Iran was in danger of falling under the influence of the expansionist Soviet Communist "empire"."

• "The tangible benefits the United States reaped from overthrowing Iran's elected government was a share of Iran's oil wealth as well as the prevention of possibility that Iran might fall under the influence of the Communist Soviet Union." --BoogaLouie (talk) 17:45, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

The reason for the change is the same as the original one and is discussed here

I know you didn't make any comment on my last attempt but I hope you will find this one is a true improvement. --BoogaLouie (talk) 01:07, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Kaveh Farrokh

Hi, There is a BLP issue and an RFC in here about Kaveh Farrokh. Regards, *** in fact *** ( contact ) 07:31, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

A comment of yours

Dear alborz, how are you? I read your comment and the interpretation "I'm Pessimistic in words , but Optimistic in heart" for certain couplet looked very interesting and nice. Is that your own interpretation or is it from somebody/tafsir of masnavi/commentary.....? Thank you. Xashaiar (talk) 15:19, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

That's to show the meaning my be very deep and understanding them with Objective understanding is not right . Abstract thinking has allways been a part of Iranian mind . And no I did not read it anywhere . Thankyou , --Alborz Fallah (talk) 08:05, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Discuss edits before you make them on iranian Azeris

If you are not aware I have discussed the changes I wanted to make and i recieved no objections. therefore I caried them out. the sources presented are from reliable sources, coming from human rights watch dogs. I do not think what i have writen is my POV as it is backed up by the above nuetral and reliable sources. I have also been very nuetral myself due to the fact that i have included such words like "claims" and "supression" rather than oppression in the title. I have also made the reader aware of some issues surrounding some aspects. Please discuss any changes you wish to make in the talk page before you delete them as this falls under vandalism. Thank you.Tugrulirmak (talk) 17:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Iran simplification

Can you see the Wikiproject Iran article. [29]

propose to simplify the A, B, C scaling system

Many users have known this issue already. I propose to simply it by over-riding all the control and limits set to assign B. If you agree or disagree, please write your comment there. Currently, it is very hard to assign a B rating to articles and many Iran related articles have a C although users have assigned it a B. Thanks --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 02:20, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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