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Sock Puppetry/Block Evasion

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Unblock request

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This blocked user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

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Request reason:

I was accused of violating rights of living persons. I submitted two articles about Texas legislators Larry Phillips (Texas politician) and Bryan Hughes (Texas politician) in which Mr. Hughes accused Mr. Phillips of threatening him and other lawmakers with unfair redistricting lines in 2011. I had the material documented, but the person who blocked me said it is an abuse of living persons because one lawmaker is calling the other a liar. I was also found to have copied too closely from a website on the Louisiana state legislature called mobilelgs. This was found in two or three articles, but I did not realize that I had lifted material without rewriting it sufficiently. This was called a copyright violation, and all my articles, more than a thousand, were put under review. However, none has been found to have copyright violations after more than four months of being blocked. I request that after four months I be allowed to edit existing material and to submit new articles. Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

As much as I have appreciated this user's past zeal and enthusiasm, and his present politeness and courtesy despite his situation, there were genuine issues that led to this block that have not been resolved (for one thing, there is still a wide-open CCI) and are far beyond the scope of this request. — Daniel Case (talk) 18:40, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

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I don't believe that explanation covers the situation, so I am going to go ping Ironholds and Moonriddengirl. Regards, Syrthiss (talk) 17:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
NOTE: For any admin who is considering this unblock request, please first review the circumstances that led to the block. -- Atama 18:01, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Commons talk

Please see your Commons talk WhisperToMe (talk) 05:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Request for reinstatement

I was blocked six months ago for violating policy regarding living persons. I submitted bios about Texas state representatives Brian Hughes and Larry Phillips who accused each other of untruthfulness regarding 2011 redistricting. Mr. Hughes said that Mr. Phillips threatened him with an unfavorable redistrict map, and then Mr. Phillips denied what Mr. Hughes said. I had the material sourced, but some objected because some of the sources are blogs. I understand that a higher level of sourcing than blogs is needed for living persons making allegations against each other and I kindly request consideration for reinstatement. Henceforth with blog, I will go to the source directly of the cited news story. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Billy, I'm afraid this is not about just two articles. At the time you were blocked, there were a number of concerns being expressed, including those documented on this old version of your talk page. Also, there's this copyright investigation. The fact that the block notice mentions only "copyright concerns" related to BLP policy is perhaps unfortunate, because that was not nearly the only issue. In order to be welcomed back here, you are going to have to demonstrate that you understand more of the issues that were raised (and that you are not going to create them again). --Orlady (talk) 04:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Adding my response to User talk:68.203.251.2#Billy Hathorn here, to keep the discussion centralized.
  1. Regarding Walter L. Buenger, you make it sound like it was shortened because someone disagreed about the content per se. That is not so. It was shortened because text you added was considered close paraphrasing and because it was not sourced properly, especially for information about living persons.
  2. "some objected because some of the sources are blogs" -- well, I don't know which blogs, but blogs are usually not reliable sources and thus can't be used as sources for content, again especially for information about living persons.
Almost everyone makes those mistakes at some point. Why this led to a block with you is because you apparently didn't avoid those issues after they were pointed out to you, they kept coming up. Amalthea 09:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:Chicago Academy of Fine Arts alumni

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Topic ban still in effect at DYK

Hello. It's been a long time! At the DYK talk page, we have been reminded that you were topic-banned from DYK back in 2011. That indefinite-term topic ban has not been rescinded, so it is still in effect per WP:Topic bans.

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Status

I thought I had been reinstated to Wikipedia after an block of 1.75 years. What is my status, please? Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:30, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Your status is ... unprecedented.
While this account was blocked in September 2011, you evaded it throughout that time, so this can't be a "time served" situation. I have unblocked this account for two reasons: 1) Since you systematically evaded the block it was ineffective. 2) In one of your recent articles, the impression after a short look was that you had properly paraphrased sources.
I would like to have you fully reinstated, but you'll have to work with us here. Last time we talked about this (User talk:Billy Hathorn/Archive 20#Request for reinstatement) I did not get the impression that you understood what lead to the block: continued close paraphrasing and improperly sourced biographic material.
Convince us that we don't need to worry about this anymore and everyone will be happier. Once that is done, lifting the DYK ban should only be a formality.
Amalthea 09:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I may have paraphrased too closely prior to 2011 in some situations, particularly if the material was very well written to begin with. I had thought that having the source was sufficient attribution to avoid claims of copyright violation. I never used anyone else's work and passed it off as my original wording. I do not paraphrase closely any more. I find that editing something three times removes that situation. And you have a program that immediately flags following too closely as a copyright violation. I don't think anyone has found an error of fact in any of my articles, but there have been, and I have corrected them as soon as possible when I found the error, whether major or minor. I cannot always find everything desirable for an article and have to go with the information available. Thank you for your consideration. 70.124.114.59 (talk) 11:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. Not sure I agree with you said though: Just rewording a copied phrase three times is not necessarily sufficient (even if it fools the program that tests for copyright violation).
I would advise you check out this 2009 signpost article: "Let's get serious about plagiarism". I found it very approachable and it explains that plagiarism exists on multiple levels. In particular, copying a text and rewording each and every three times, is still at the very least plagiarizing the source text's structure. In general, I think if you ever copy text straight from the source you're almost always doing it wrong.
Could you read through that article and tell me what you think?
Amalthea 12:10, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I read the article on copyright and plagiarism. While I have never been accused of copying from others and passing it off as my own or not giving attribution, I may have followed too closely the words of others in writing Wikipedia articles. When I did that it was a situation where the words were so well done that there did not seem a need to make many changes. Even then I gave attribution and thought that was sufficient in such case, as with attribution of the one who takes photographs when pictures are used on the web. I think the best way to avoid following too closely from the text of others is to limit use of cut-and-paste, which I will do. I have also found that we are often asked to give attribution for what is "common knowledge" if the knowledge is specialized. Sometimes there are no newer secondary sources available on the web; so an article may be missing information that would be desirable but cannot be obtained or sourced. Sometimes I know certain things that I can't use because I have no source for a particular point. Thanks for giving me another chance to submit to Wikipedia. Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:37, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure whether you are describing problems from the distant past or not when you say that you "thought" attribution was sufficient. For example, Ben M. Bogard was created and deleted as a copyvio less than a week ago. What's your opinion here today, do you still think it was properly written?
Like I said before, in my opinion you absolutely must stop using copy&paste to help write article content, this is one root cause of the problems you are having. The project cannot use articles written that way.
Amalthea 13:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I was unaware that the Ben M. Bogard article followed too closely from the main source, as I had rewritten it and inserted other materials in the narrative. I have found another source, Encyclopedia of Arkansas History, which is closely comparable to the findagrave source. I will try to re-do this next month but will send it to you first. Thanks, Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Amalthea, the Ben M. Bogard article has been extensively revised and returned to the board. Thanks, and I hope this message gets to you. I am going to put it on your board too just in case. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:17, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Amalthea, Christi Craddick, member of the Railroad Commission of Texas has been returned to the board after revision. Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:55, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey Billy Hathorn

I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:41, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Pictures of Poverty Point

Hi, I just found your recent pictures of Poverty Point. THX for your contribution. rgds --h-stt !? 11:13, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I was there on May 17 for an hour. Billy Hathorn (talk) 11:17, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Just an hour for such a site? What a pity. I used two of your pictures in the German language article on Poverty Point at de:Poverty Point. As has been awarded "exzellent"-status (~ featured), I plan to put it on the German main page as Article of the Day during the UNESCO World heritage meeting 2014. Then the site will get some attention in Germany when it hopefully will be recognized as World heritage. rgds --h-stt !? 12:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
A hour was enough; I don't have interest in archaeology, just the physical features of the site. It is really isolated; there were only four or five others at Poverty Point when I stopped by. Thanks for using the photos. I was there in 1985 but had forgotten everything about it except the mound with the steps.Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:32, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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Copyright issue

I spot-checked your contribution to Carlos Truan, and I find the following:

Truan is the only member of the Texas Legislature who participated in both major insurgencies of contemporary Texas history, the “Dirty Thirty” ethics coalition of 1971 and the “Killer Bees” in 1979. The “Dirty Thirty” consisted of thirty reform-minded representatives who stood firmly in favor of a full investigation of the Sharpstown Bank scandal. The “Killer Bees” were twelve senators who prevented the Senate from having a quorum to adopt legislation that would have impacted the presidential primary election of 1980 in Texas.

A quick scan of the internet finds the following in a 2004 press release (www.quorumreport.com/downloadit.cfm?docid=3688‎):

Senator Truan is the only member of the Texas Legislature who participated in both major insurgencies of contemporary Texas history, the “Dirty Thirty” ethics coalition of 1971 and the “Killer Bees” in 1979. The “Dirty Thirty” consisted of 30 reform-minded State Representatives who stood firmly in favor of a full investigation of the Sharpstown Bank scandal that rocked the State of Texas. The “Killer Bees” were 12 Senators who prevented the Senate from having quorum to adopt legislation that would have manipulated the presidential election of 1980 in Texas.

I also find this content in this junior high school's website. I've bolded the identical text to make the plagiarism more evident.

You have altered this material only by removing a few words, changing the word "manipulated" to "impacted" and adding the word "primary."

I've reverted your edits to this article.

You have been coached so many times about how to comply with our copyright policies that I can't imagine what else we might be able to do to help ensure that you will follow them. Before we return to the cycle of blocking you and eliminating everything you are found to contribute, can you please offer any reason why we should not? Is there any way that we can trust your willingness and ability to comply with our prohibition against copying from other writers? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Billy. I see that you placed this content first in the article with one of your sock accounts some months ago. But this brings up a strong suggestion to you before you restore content placed by those socks to review the sources to make sure that there isn't copying you've forgotten. You obviously have a strong desire to contribute, and if you're willing to work within copyright policy now I would not want you blocked for accidentally continuing an earlier violation. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:36, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Conservapedia

Please do not copy any more material from Conservapedia into Wikipedia. Conservapedia's copyright policy claims copyright over the material on the site and does not make it available under a free licence. See also Conservapedia#Licensing of content. Hut 8.5 11:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

In this case, the article history there shows only edits by an account named "BHathorn". Billy, is it correct that this is your account and that all text was originally written by you and you own copyright of the text?
Amalthea 11:47, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. Since it was submitted to Conservapedia, Conservapedia has copyright over the text now. Hut 8.5 11:55, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
I don't think it works that way. Billy Hathorn has created the content and granted Conservapedia the right of "display, copying, reuse or editing", but that doesn't mean his own rights to the content have been lost. The copyright page you linked to above in particular doesn't mention that copyright has been transferred or that Conservapedia was given exclusive license in any way -- and in fact per Copyright#Transfer and licensing, and assignment any such transfer or exclusive licensing in the US would require a signed document to be valid.
I see no indication that Conservapedia can or wants to prevent the creator to limit use of his created content, and in fact, it seems to me their licensing terms would even be free enough to use content here directly (although our policies and guidelines will generally have a few additional requirements).
Amalthea 15:33, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
FWIW, I had noticed Billy was doing this earlier but did notice that he was the creator there. I don't think their license is transferable given their declaration of right to withdraw it any time (see [1], too), but I agree with Amalthea that we shouldn't have issues with the same contributor pasting content here and there...so long as he's not picking up content posted by others as well. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:40, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Moonriddengirl, I did not use anyone else's material when I moved the articles from conservapedia to Wikipedia. I changed all of the article, some with more changes than others. Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:44, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
You're right of course, I misunderstood the revocation part. :) Amalthea 16:59, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
I wrote all of the articles from Conservapedia that I edited, updated, and usually expanded for Wikipedia. I have one remaining article, James E. Lyon. May I transfer this one too? I don't think conservapedia has the copyright if the author wants to transfers it to another site. Please clarify. Thanks, Amalthea, Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:44, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Please wait a bit until we are clear on the situation. Two hints about your reply though: 1) In general, you should reply directly beneath the original comment, not on the commentor's talk page. 2) A new section on a talk page should be placed at the bottom, not at the top.
Amalthea 15:33, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

A page you started (George E. Nowotny) has been reviewed!

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On the DYK, the piece would probably fly fine (especially if you can document the fact that Nowotny has visited Gibraltar at least once in his life, ha ha!) but I'm pretty opposed to the whole DYK circus and not the guy to ask for a nomination. Try to find internal validation for your work rather than chasing bureaucratic kudos, that would be my advice to you. Keep up the good work! Carrite (talk) 15:07, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
I write for the 5 or 10 people a week who might actually care about a topic... Over the course of 100 years, that's a really big number! best, —Tim. Carrite (talk) 15:20, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Former State Rep. Tony Goolsby, R-TX.jpg)

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I will put the picture back on Tony Goolsby. I thought it had been excluded from use. Can other political photos from votesmart.org be used? Billy Hathorn (talk) 23:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Categories for Alumni

Hi, please be careful when creating these categories, so that you don't put them inside themselves. I've fixed up four so far: Glendale High School (Glendale, California) alumni; Woodrow Wilson High School (Dallas) alumni; Longview High School alumni; and University of Tulsa College of Law alumni. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:43, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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Question: If a state representative pictured on votesmart is deceased, could "fair use" be claimed in such cases? Thanks, Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:16, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

George E. Nowotny

Hi, Billy Hathorn. I'm interested in the article on George E. Nowotny which you created recently. The references indicate a "Statement of George E. Nowotny, Jr., Tulsa, Oklahoma, June 2009" and a "Statement of Ernest Dumas (born 1937), Little Rock, Arkansas, December 9, 2011." I would appreciate it if you could tell me where I might find those statements published? Thanks. CactusWriter (talk) 16:13, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Both statements came from a telephone interview that I conducted with both gentlemen. Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay. So are you saying that these statements have never been published, and that I will be unable to research them myself? CactusWriter (talk) 16:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

They were obtained in a telephone interview with Mr. Nowotny in Tulsa (2009) and Mr. Dumas (2011) in Little Rock. The material is also in conservapedia, but it has not been published in an historical journal. Billy Hathorn (talk) 17:03, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, I think you are aware that conservapedia is not a reliable source for our purposes here. But your personal knowledge through telephone conversations is considered original research -- and not permitted on Wikipedia. Those kinds of unpublished (or even self-published) sources are simply not suitable for substantiating an encyclopedic article. They fail Wikipedia's core requirements that all of our information be verifiable with independently published reliable sources. Verifiability certainly is necessary for all biographies -- and it is especially required for Biographies of Living People. I'm afraid that the substantial portions of the George E. Nowotny article which are sourced to these statements need to be deleted. I see from a search on Wikipedia for "Ernest Dumas" that you have used his statements on a number of articles -- so these will also need to be removed. In fact, any information on any article where you have cited information to your personal telephone calls will need to either be cited to reliable sources or be removed. CactusWriter (talk) 17:42, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
I have now removed text from a few of the biographical articles that you edited and that you sourced to personal conversations. Also, I have found that you included sources which make no mention of the individual, but extrapolated the information from those sources to make statements about the individual. This kind of original research and synthesis is not permitted for Wikipedia articles -- especially biographies of living people. When was the last time that you read our policy pages concerning original research, reliable sources and biographies of living people? If you have not done so recently, could you please review them again, with particular attention to No original research and NO Synthesis? If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. CactusWriter (talk) 16:37, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Ways to improve Dan Hollingsworth

Hi, I'm Sulfurboy. Billy Hathorn, thanks for creating Dan Hollingsworth!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. 3

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Sulfurboy (talk) 23:07, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I have not found much info on Mayor Hollingsworth. Billy Hathorn (talk) 23:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Vance McAllister

I removed the category 'People from Monroe, Louisiana' which you re-added. After examining this article before your most recent edits, and not finding one single mention of McAllister living there(going to university in a location doesn't make a person from there), I removed the category. If you can find a reliable source for his being from Monroe(besides while attending college), put it in the article and re-add the category. The addition of 'People from Monroe, Louisiana' category would also mean 'People from Ouachita Parish, Louisiana' would have to be removed because the former is a subcategory of the latter....William 14:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

His business interests are based in Monroe. I think he has lived there, but can't confirm it. Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
That's like a sports athlete. John Smith plays pro soccer in Glasgow but he resides in Aberdeen. Playing somewhere has never been considered grounds for categorizing someone as a People from that place. There's quite a few articles that say McAllister is from Swartz. If you or I find something that says he lived in Monroe at sometime other than when he went to college, exchanging the People from Ouachita for People for Monroe can be done. BTW, you've done good work on the article. Cheers!...William 20:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Mayors of Monroe, Louisiana

Anyone who is categorized 'Mayors of Foo, Louisiana' isn't also classified 'People from Foo, Louisiana'. It is considered overcategorization. Mayors is a subcategory of People. A example- Sportspeople from Shreveport, Louisiana aren't also classified People from Shreveport, Louisiana. I noticed the articles of Monroe mayors you created had these people classified in both. I am fixing the articles....William 23:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the pix!

The Seguin, Texas article was greatly improved by the addition of the photos. (I have added bits of info to the captions.) Thanks again for your contribution. WoodyinNYC (talk) 05:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I have a couple of more photos; it was cloudy in Seguin when I was there on Nov. 4. I cannot upload most photos. It says "Not Responding".Billy Hathorn (talk) 13:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

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Nomination of Lonnie Stabler for deletion

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Elen Willard

Hi,
I just restored your version of Elen Willard to remove strong POV edits, but realized that your version doesn't cite any reliable sources. I can live with IMDb sourcing for her roles, but the birth date for example seems to be disputed. Do you have a reliable source for that? Otherwise I'm going to remove some parts.
Amalthea 12:42, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Amalthea, I know nothing else about this actress other that what I wrote. The additional material that was just added may be edited to remove POV comments, but it has details I don't know about. There are no sources about her other than IMDb. I have never found an IMDb birthdate to be wrong. Thanks, Billy Hathorn (talk) 13:15, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
IMDb currently lists September 1, the one you put into the article is November 1 -- if you took that one from IMDb then very obviously IMDb had it wrong with one of them.
And that's not the first time, I have seen wrong birth dates on IMDb multiple times, it really isn't a reliable source for biographic facts, it's still user edited -- with some editorial control, but not the level we require.
Amalthea 13:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


All I can think of is that I mistakenly typed November instead of September. Billy Hathorn (talk) 13:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Possibly, IMDb did state September back in 2012 so it's less likely they had to correct it; I guess we can leave it in then since I can't find it contradicted anywhere else.
Nonetheless, it's not a reliable source (see Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites#IMDb), please never use it for any contentious material per WP:BLP. And since I just noticed, Find-a-Grave is also not a reliable source (WP:External links/Perennial websites#Find-a-Grave), I believe you often use that site as well. Personally I think we should always rather omit facts that can't be sourced reliably.
Amalthea 14:41, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Amalthea, would go to this file and make a comment. Thanks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lonnie_Stabler Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)