User talk:Bongomatic/Archive 7

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Fall cleaning? I'm having trouble locating your signature page... ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean signature page? The template I use for my ~~~~? ^Bongo_matic 05:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Aw shucks, you can sign anywhere! ^Bongo_matic 05:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Lovely

I am glad that you enjoyed it. :) --BorgQueen (talk) 21:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

"allmusic is specifically excluded as a source evidencing notability"

Greetings Bongomatic. I've just seen your edit summary at Black Note and would appreciate it if you could link me to the corresponding guideline as you obviously have it to hand. Most music-related articles at Wikipedia use allmusic as a source - in my opinion vastly overrated in my opinion - but I gave up fighting losing battles long ago.--Technopat (talk) 10:58, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps less "specific" than "in fact". See Wikipedia:Notability at footnote 6. Reliable source for verifying facts, but not establishing notability. ^Bongo_matic 11:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

(outdent)Thank you for taking the time to reply & pasting link. However, much to my dismay, can find no indication that allmusic is not a reliable source and footnote 6 does not cover it, either:

Moreover, not all coverage in reliable sources constitutes evidence of notability for the purposes of article creation; for example, directories and databases, advertisements, announcements columns, and minor news stories are all examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources.

--Technopat (talk) 11:24, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Allmusic is a directory/database. It and IMDB are what are intended to be covered by those--considered reliable for verification only. You're free to contest the template—I won't reinsert it. I will, however, take the article to AfD unless real references are inserted (possibly by me if I find any). ^Bongo_matic 12:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

The only argument I can find to justify allmusic as a reliable source is that it uses the services of music critic Scott Yanow. As far as IMDB is concerned, I don't consider it a reliable source, even if many editors seem to. But if you really want to help reduce non-notable stuff here at Wikipedia, pop into Special:NewPages, where you'll find AfDs to your heart's delight.--Technopat (talk) 12:42, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Something I do frequently. It's like flossing in many respects. ^Bongo_matic 12:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey Bongo--see Wikipedia:Band#Criteria for musicians and ensembles, item 5. A record on Columbia and a record on Impulse! should suffice. Technopat, Bongo may not know jazz, but he knows his way around WP, though I am sure he appreciates your advice. Drmies (talk) 01:44, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Replied at [[1]]. --Technopat (talk) 06:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Boba Phat

Hi Bongomatic,

I like the SW reference, and I am here to strongly advise against removal of the Boba Phat article for a number of valid reasons:

You question the notability of Boba Phat, (and yes I have 3rd party links I can reference, albeit the links are nobody of significance, just some YouTube convention attendees referring to him as an A-List Cosplayer, which he is.)

EVERY single reference provided is ACCURATE and expresses his notability among common cosplayers alike as well as a multitude of celebrities. Additionally, this past week alone he was featured in 2 print publications - Long Beach Press Telegram as well as the Daily Titan, along side his numerous online media sources. He is recognized at EVERY Comic Con & Star Wars event. His links are NOT just FLCKR, Facebook & YouTube - there are a myriad of first-rate news sources who additionally address him as notable, including the LA Times, LB Post, Long Beach Press Telegram, SeattlePI, Metromix, Casey Pugh (creator of Vimeo), The Daily Titan, The Craig Ferguson Show, + more.

Additionally, he has been interviewed & will be a feature in Lucasfilm's upcoming Star Wars fan movie, as well as is presently featured in a documentary called Crashing the Con which is available for purchase through Amazon. Boba Phat makes NO MONEY off of this; he was featured simply due to his notability as an underground icon. He is also scheduled to be featured in the next issue of Star Wars Insider as he was interviewed & photographed at the latest Long Beach Comic Con for the article due to his recognizability among the copsplayer scene. Every single reference cited will take you to a link expressing his notability. There should be no issue here whatsoever. As soon as that issue hits stands, it will be referenced here.

If there is anything specific you require - links or photos of the print articles or what not, please advise & I will gladly provide. Thank you for taking the time to address this.

Also, after a response by Vyvyan Basterd, I am adamant about Boba Phat's notoriety; and if you are familiar in any way with the Star Wars, Comics or Cosplayer scene (which it appears as you are based on your "Kaminocana(!)" link, it is very clear that he is a recognized fixture. I have uploaded 3 additional 3rd party media sources to help validate. Additionally when Star Wars Insider & the Lucasfilm movie debuts, there will be no question whatsoever regarding his notability among that scene, albeit a niche scene. I simply ask for you to please review the recent changes & remove the deletion tag in the public spectrum. If you Google Boba Phat (or pimp boba, leisure suit boba, ettc) you will see that besides Wiki, Boba Phat does come up on 7 of the top 10 organic links from independent sources from both media as well as celebrities mentioning that they are excited to have met HIM!

Please reconsider removal of the deletion tag based on what I have just uploaded & until the newest articles/films are released. Also, I noticed Vyvyan Basterd has striked through his recommendation for deletion based on the info I have provided to him. Please consider doing the same.

Very Best, SheighZam (talk) 09:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi SheighZam

It might be worthwhile for you to review WP:RS and WP:N. Please address your views to the wider audience at the AfD discussion, so others may consider them. If you have specific references to significant coverage in independent reliable sources, please mention them at the AfD discussion (and add them to the article).

Regards, ^Bongo_matic 09:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Bongomatic,

I have reviewed both pages extensively, and am thoroughly convinced that Boba Phat meets the notability & sourcing standards as required by Wikipedia. I have added new sources to the article, but I am unsure how to open the debate up into the AfD realm for consideration. I would rather direct them to the article, as all the sources are presently listed there for easy, concise review. Please let me know how to send a link from the AfD page to the article so that I do not need to retype an entire article again reciting objective 3rd party print, broadcast & online sources simply to validate an already made point. I thank you again for your time in addressing this & helping to educate me with the Wikipedia process; your attention & time are much appreciated. SheighZam (talk) 09:46, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Bongomatic

RE: the Keeps. Thanks for the clarification. I figured if I was getting issued strike-throughs that it was pertinent to reiterate my standpoint. I see your point here. However, as much as I will no longer add "keep" when I now see per your message that it is unnecessary, I do not think it is appropriate for other members to issue strike-throughs through my wording. Suggesting I add "comment" or sending me a message to clarify as you did would have been quite sufficient rather than striking through my posts. Evidently, (just as it is clear that Samir and Hell in a Bucket have a past association) you and Drmies are buddies based on your talk pages, so I am hoping that upon your review of the validity of the Boba Phat article, his opinion may be altered. I do appreciate that you all seem to know each other, however I am newer to Wikipedia & trying to protect at all costs what is clearly a notable subject among a niche scene.

Again, I thank you so much for your kind assistance; it is people like you who make newbies like me feel welcome here.SheighZam (talk) 08:54, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi SheighZam

Your feelings are supported by behavioral guidelines in general for talk pages (see WP:TPO), it is not only OK, but necessary, for editors to correct procedural errors, unintentional or otherwise. Leaving such things uncorrected is entirely unhelpful. Each of my edit summaries was intended to explain my actions, but it would have been better for me to also comment to you directly earlier (you may not look at edit summaries—hint: it's useful to do so).

Regards, ^Bongo_matic 09:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again for your rapid reply, Bongomatic. It is clear that there is a lot for me to learn here, and quite a bit of information to interpret. I feel like I am back in law school! I do look at the edit summaries, and notice that only certain editors justify their changes. It IS helpful to know why an alteration was made. As I make mistakes, I learn more about the process. Wikipedia is by no means an accurate resource due to all of the constant debate among opinions, however I suppose that's the beauty of democracy. What I do not appreciate are those editors who simply agree with another's perspective without looking into the actual references themselves. Several of those who have expressed their opinions have clearly not taken into account the reliability of media besides the uploaded Long Beach PT article (nice Simpsons reference, BTW - Long Beach isn't THAT bad!), but Sign On San Diego, LA Weekly, LB Post, Seattle PI, Fox 5, Star Wars Blog, Crashing the Con documentary, The Daily Titan, Metromix, Vuze, Pixelgeek, Comic Book Movie, 562 City Life, The Craig Ferguson Show, CBS4, MTV, Gawker, etc.; these are all references with direct mentions &/or photos of to Boba Phat/Pimp Boba. While there are a whole slew of FLICKR, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter & MySpace sources which are questionable, some are valid - for instance The Go-Go's Jane Wiedlin posting how excited SHE was to get a picture with the "famous Boba Phat" & even posting that statement as well as her photos of & with him on her Twitpic site; J. Scott Campbell (extremely famous Marvel artist) expressing on his Facebook site how Boba Phat is by far his favorite cosplayer (of which I can provide screen shot if need be); even Seth Green's literally LEAPING over his signing table (no joke) at last year's San Diego Comic Con for the chance to take a pic with Boba Phat as he passed by. Now the last incident is not documented in media (although I do have a photo from online that was taken of that incident) but its validity was witnessed by hundreds; as well as photos taken of Boba Phat with the 2 co-producers & #1 winners of the George Lucas Audience Choice Fan Film award "Saber!" from the 2009 San Diego Comic Con, who REQUESTED to be photographed with HIM. Additionally Anthony Michael Hall stopped mid-conversation to insist on taking a photo of Boba Phat at the Long Beach Convention on October 2nd, 2009, as Boba Phat passed by his booth (I have a photo of that as well, however Anthony Michael Hall is in possession of the one he personally took). I will continue to upload any and all pertinent info as it is released, such as info on the upcoming films Boba has a part in (Lucasfilm fan film, Casy Pugh's "Star Wars: Uncut", etc.) and articles as they come out next month such as the Star Wars Insider one. Hopefully this will satisfy the argument at hand. In the meantime, thanks again for all your help, and I am happy you have the patience to educate me on proper Wikipedia etiquette.SheighZam (talk) 11:52, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Earth to . . .

Hi,Bongo...r u there ? Atom98 (talk) 09:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

On and off—how can I help?

Yep, u there Bongo. Atom98 (talk) 10:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello , i would like to take ur help,buddy.Hamprey (talk) 10:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Hamprey

My recommendation is that you check out WP:N and WP:CREATIVE. Focus on getting published and reviewed, not covered in Wikipedia.

Regards, ^Bongo_matic 05:13, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

R u there , Bongo? I need to discuss about "Ningombam Bupenda Meitei" Hamprey (talk) 09:27, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Comment

I hate to admit it, but I really like your article David Sabiston. It is interesting and important. Turqoise127 (talk) 16:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment, and I hope all is well with you. The New York Times obituaries tend to be that way. I've read them since I was a kid—an odd statistical sampling of interesting people one may not otherwise have heard of. ^Bongo_matic 16:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, what I really like about that particular article is that more than six months after I finished creating the original article somebody else that I've never interacted with came in and more than doubled the length of the article. ^Bongo_matic 16:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Goodbye

I'm leaving Wikipedia forever and I just wanted to say goodbye to a fellow editor who I wish all the best for in their future pursuits on this encyclopedia.--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 05:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Bongo. Take care of this place.--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 05:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Amazing Job.

I see you have made over ten edits to wikipedia on your userpage. Yet you seem so well versed....LOL. Has the point been considered that just because a precedent has been set at one point with other characters and gng wouldn't things still be considered on a case by case basis? Precedent just says it's been done once from what I can tell. How many socks or meat puppets do think will visit before the end? (I hope I'm wrong) Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:57, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I like Weir songs, too. ^Bongo_matic 05:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

By the way, isn't it amazing how irritating a simple animated GIF can be (from my user page). A friend gave it to me. ^Bongo_matic 09:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Clarification

Hi Bongo,

As I am reading more into the way Wikipedia works, I am becoming aware that there appear to be factions for and against "deletionists" (a word that would appear to make sense, but alludes me). Reading Cyclopia. Turquiose, yours, Hell in a Bucket, Drmies and other pages, I see that there is an obvious association, presumably because you have all been on here for some time & have a great knowledge n how things work. I do notice, and respect, that despite opposing views on several issues, there does, in fact, see, to be some "cliquish" behaviors on Wikipedia. Now I understand Wiki is not the end-all-be-all of encyclopedic information, but due to its high optimization, it is a relatively trusted domain for the less internet savvy - of which I was until I began to spend some time on here learning the way things work. I'd like to be more helpful & participate on Wikipedia, and I will take baby steps as I learn.

Usually much of what I am seeking already has a page in Wikipedia, but as times change, so do the importance of topics, hence my creation of the Boba Phat & Miss Clit (now agreeably redirected) page. I do not agree in taking sides for the sake of supporting someone simply because I like them - it is crucial to remain objective in order for Wikipedia to have validity. I was directed by another member to a forum that seems to negate everything Wikipedia is about, and upon review of that site, I have become even more confused. There is much to learn here, and it is evident from your replies to people that you have expertise in the way things work. I aspire to learn quickly, but would also like to inquire as to how you remain neutral, particularly when it is your own article at stake. Despite your dissenting opinion, I obviously believe in the notability of my Boba Phat article, and it appears as though a number of other do as well. I, however, do not know all of the WP:??? sites to cite as references. All I can do is stick by my guns as to (to me) his clear-cut notability based on media coverage & recognition among the niche in which he is popular.

Please, if you have time, could you direct me to any particular list of topics - the most pertinent ten, for example - that may help me to become a better Wikipedia participant? If you do not have time, I fully understand, however I thought it best to ask an obvious expert because I dislike sects and it appears that you and Hell in a Bucket (to whom I am going to send this same message) may be able to teach me something worthwhile and thus permit me to be more helpful to Wikipedia in general.

Sincerely, SheighZam (talk) 08:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi SheighZam

Thank you for your note, and it is terrific that you want to contribute to Wikipedia.

It is a big place with lots of policies, guidelines, and precedent. If you were to ask me the most important principles to follow in terms of content, they would be:

• WP:V: verifiability
• WP:NPOV: neutral point of view
• WP:N: notability
• WP:NOT: what Wikipedia is not

In terms of how to edit, you're doing fine. Inline citations are incredibly useful, so learn how to use the <ref> and <ref name=refname> tags, and how to use useful citation tools like {{cite news}} and {{cite book}}. Decent instructions on those can be found at the linked templates and at WP:FOOT and WP:CITE.

A useful reference for how notability guidelines are applied in practice can be found at WP:OUTCOMES. This isn't policy or guideline, but rather a summary of consensus outcomes that actually have occurred.

My own approach to creating new articles is generally to find something that is obviously notable (usually by reading about it in a reliable source) that happens not to be covered (if you look at my edit history, you will see I have created a number of articles about recently deceased people—I read obituaries and come across interesting lives that should be noted). I seldom create articles about topics that I actually know especially well first-hand. This isn't for everyone: Often what brings prolific content creators (arguably the most important kind of volunteer) here is a particular interest and expertise—from Pokemon to astrophysics and everything else.

In addition to creating new articles, there are many ways to improve existing articles: adding additional citations, copyediting and other improvements for clarity and precision, removing POV material, expanding, adding photographs, etc. Those are often good ways to get involved as a newcomer as the emotional cost of being reversed is much less than an article you write being nominated deletion or actually deleted.

If you are able to spend concerted effort on a single topic, then you can work on bringing articles up to various quality standards such as "good article" or "featured article" status. If I had more patience, motivation, virtue, and ability, I would do this, but I haven't yet.

For creating new articles and expanding recently written articles, you can get involved with [WP:DYK|Did you know?]]. Many editors find this satisfying because they can see their work featured on the main page without going to the lengths required for generating featured articles.

Editors here tend to clump together—not because of any nefarious intent, but because that's what people do everywhere. You see someone doing something that interests you, you tend to keep an eye on that editor—by watching his/her talk page and by looking at his/her contributions. Naturally, some things you see will catch your eye and to a newcomer, your follow-ups can make this place look quite cliquey. But I don't agree with even the editors I'm closest to all the time, and some of them, almost none of the time. Even people who disagree almost always on some topics can agree almost always on others.

So, to complete the recommended reading list, the most important behavioral guideline is WP:AGF. The reason it's important is that often someone who seems to be acting like a total WP:DICK has valuable things to contribute—not just to the encyclopedia, but to your experience as an editor. You might have misinterpreted it, or the editor may be having a bad day—you could actually end up as friends. In general, AGF is easier if you don't take stuff here to personally (not to say not seriously—we really are building an encyclopedia, even if it has articles like bacon explosion).

Well, that's probably more than you asked for (see WP:TLDR).

Happy editing, ^Bongo_matic 09:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

WOW! More than I expected, and I am EXTREMELY grateful for your assistance. I will do as much research as possible on the aforementioned policies, and strive to become a non-partisan, active member here on Wikipedia. I SO thank you for your obviously time-consuming advice. It really means a lot to a newbie like myself when someone with your level of understanding takes that much time to help clarify & direct me to what is most pertinent. I also like that you start from notability & work backwards. In my case, my reason for creating the Boba Phat site was based on MY knowledge of his notability & the media sources that derived from it, so I do not regret that it is what brought me here, however it appears as though by eliminating the question of notability altogether and working backwards from an already-published source seems a terrific course of action upon creation of new articles. Once again, I offer my thanks. As a result, I intend to become more objective & more participatory in this vast realm of Wikipedia. Very Best, SheighZam (talk) 10:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Message from Hamprey

R u there , Bongo? I need to discuss about "Ningombam Bupenda Meitei" Hamprey (talk) 09:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes. ^Bongo_matic 09:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

well,is the article on "Ningombam Bupenda Meitei" going to be deleted ? The matter has been resolved long back.Hamprey (talk) 09:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

So far I'm the only one who has opined at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ningombam Bupenda Meitei. I recommend you review WP:N and WP:BIO and then pop in there and say what you feel. ^Bongo_matic 09:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

But , i cant understand why did u do that ? I feel a bit hurt. Btw,the person is still living n the sources of information r from the newspapers whose names r mentioned but I also don't know how to link the sources so called "reliable sources". Before u bring this notice of getting deleted , some edited the article in a funny manner. Hamprey (talk) 09:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Well,internet has come late in India n the reports in the newspapers can't be linked through internet since those newspapers in some Indian states hav gone online almost after 2004 n the news here r related to before that but there is a hard copy n TV interviews for the article.Hamprey (talk) 09:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

if u feel that the article stands unworthy , then plz do let me know ,I will instead remove the article but I wish to see some logic n faith in the hard copy news in newspapers n TV channels in some remote places of the world which were taken place a long back.Hamprey (talk) 09:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

There is no requirements that citations be to online sources. Obviously it makes it much easier to verify whether the sources actually support the claims in the articles, but it is not required at all. There are many fine articles on notable topics that reference books and other materials unavailable online. ^Bongo_matic 09:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, the reference related to the news from newspapers n TV channels r there n also a book of Havard publication is also there to talk about "Ningombam" in the article.Hamprey (talk) 10:01, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Ur reply is hoped to be speeded up a bit Hamprey (talk) 10:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Ur reply is hoped to be speedied up a bit. :)

Hi Hamprey

The newspaper and radio references cited do not suggest that the subject received "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Your above comment mentions the Harvard source, for example—it is inconceivable that a source dated 1908 provides significant coverage of someone born in 1987. The two newspaper references and the two other media references may be significant coverage, but you haven't suggested that they are. ^Bongo_matic 22:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, speeded up is normally used in British English."Speedied" is wat i hav been made to hear here only. English to me means British English which i believe is the mother of all other evolved English. Hamprey (talk) 09:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Halloween

Hey Bongo. What was the name of that Filipino Halloween party production group? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:01, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Either (a) you're joshin' me; (b) I'm having a senior moment; or (c) you had the discussion about it with someone else. Hey? ^Bongo_matic 01:53, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

No I think it was you. A long time ago. They hosted Halloween parties. I can't remember the name now. You were pretty adamant that it was non-notable, but it did have some coverage in a Filipino English paper. Anyway, it's not a big deal. I just wanted to see if they were still active. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

"(b)". Sorry! ^Bongo_matic 06:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Found it. See Subkulture. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:27, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... I can't find any involvement on your part so I guess I am the one having a senior moment. Oops. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I now seem to recall some talent agent in the Philippines that I may have nominated a while back . . . did you get involved there? ^Bongo_matic 11:03, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't sound familiar, but I did comment on some Filipino fraternities that were up for deletion. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

We didn't have an article on the Minnesota Discovery Center (formerly Ironworld Discovery Center) if you can believe it, and there was a big write up from the Philippines. It's home to the third largest statue in the U.S. Iron Man (statue)!!!!!ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

great catch on those journals

I left a note to you on my talk p., a very detailed guide on the authors talk p., and cleaned up 2 of them a little further as examples. DGG ( talk ) 20:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC) I finished cleaning them up, at least as far as removing bad material goes. DGG ( talk ) 04:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. . . I have most if not all of them watched, and will try to visit them for additional cleanup. ^Bongo_matic 08:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Amanda Brown

Please what I wrote in the discussion of that article. I think that it needs to be split into two articles. I'm sure that it is dealing with two different people of the same name.--Geoffman13 (talk) 20:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Are you going to respond to me?--Geoffman13 (talk) 20:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Go ahead—I think you see I originally had the same suspicion. ^Bongo_matic 23:17, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright! I will work on splitting the two right now!--Geoffman13 (talk) 16:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright! They're split!--Geoffman13 (talk) 13:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Great! An improvement. ^Bongo_matic 13:50, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Press

I'm not sure where you're going with this line of inquiry with Dr. Press. Howard Press' legal skirmishes are irrelevant to the article at hand (which I agree does not meet notability requirements). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:19, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi WikiDan61

Prior to and subsequent to nominating the article for deletion, I have been making a good faith effort to find information about the subject. In filtering through various potential matches (lots of articles relating to labor disputes involving The Howard Press, what seems to be an unrelated publishing firm), I thought it would be relevant to identify which were in fact about the subject of this article.

While I believe the subject of this article is non-notable, and that a non-trivial article is only possible when chock-a-block with original research, AfDs close against my views all the time. Hence, improving the article to the extent possible is something I wish to be able to do in the event. Since the legal skirmish referenced seems to involve FDA issues, it seems possibly relevant to an article focused on the subject's contributions to the pharmaceutical arts. Obviously, if it is a different individual, it is not relevant at all.

Regards, ^Bongo_matic 14:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, that was clear as mud.... no entiendo. And, even assuming it were the same Howard Press, WikiDan is right. Drsjpdc (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Credential list

Interested in collaborating on this?

I'll collect the "initials", and write the descriptions, and you help find the right references and citations to assure "notability" and relevance to WIKI.

Drsjpdc (talk) 15:37, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm traveling at the moment so won't have much opportunity over the next week, but will peek in and do what I can. Looking forward to it. ^Bongo_matic 20:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

What's Going On With the Article on Howard Press?

User Drsjpdc has completely withdrawn the article on Howard Press, and you have correctly unblanked it. Now he is attempting to re-withdraw it.

The behavior of Drsjpdc is unacceptable. We have already seen his use of personal attacks, non-neutrality, unverifiable claims, opinionating, twisting facts, and nonstop ranting and raving. However, his most recent attempt to blank an article that was the collaboration of a number of authors is totally inappropriate. The article survived two AfD decisions and Drsjpdc himself was the most vocal in favor of keeping it! Many contributors spent a good amount of time and effort to research and tell the story with facts and verifiable citations. It is a shame that one individual who obviously has a COI is determined to sidestep Wikipedia policy for his own personal benefit or ego.

Drsjpdc should be blocked and banned from Wikipedia, as he has proven he is incapable of writing neutrally, with verifiable facts, and showing courtesy to other contributors. Meanwhile, he is still capable of endlessly blanking or heavily changing this article (and many other articles, I fear) to conform to whatever views he wants to promote. Please let me know what actions can be taken.

If you are at all interested in the subject of sustained-release medication, I offer to write new articles and welcome your input.--Rikatazz (talk) 22:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

An outright ban is a pretty extreme position to take based on correctable actions/behavior. --kelapstick (talk) 22:38, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

For sure. ^Bongo_matic 23:08, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Clarification: For sure=banning is unwarranted. ^Bongo_matic 02:55, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Come on! That article was the FIRST one I have written, and I have several others that have passed muster. I had no idea this would cause such damage, and I have attacked NO ONE. There was a point where I felt that Bongo was just anti-Chiropractic, but have reconsidered that position. Banning... ??? really. ^Д-р_{СДжП,ДС} 02:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I've told Bongo repeatedly to lift with his legs and not with his back. I don't know about banning, but some combination of caning and yoga might be in order. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:59, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

The COI policy makes it clear that when ownership is exerted, banning may be necessary. Just read WP:LUC. When ownership is combined with disruption, vandalism/blanking, personal attacks, seeking to subvert NPOV by regretting its application to the article, etc., banning becomes a very appealing option. He has just attacked me in the AfD, and I put a hat on it. I expect some admins to warn him for it and possibly to perform some form of block as a method to get him to cool off. He has already made his points abundantly clear in the AfD, and is thus no longer relevant there. -- Brangifer (talk) 05:52, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

My talk place is certainly not a place where this can be resolved. ^Bongo_matic 05:56, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

ClearType Headaches

I noticed you deleted both mentions of the ClearType headaches. As such, I've moved the discussion to the Talk page. Please feel free to participate! 92.105.96.90 (talk) 10:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Batu Hijau mine

What do you think of the new picture, I have a line on a couple more potentially, one of the pit and one of a truck being loaded. --kelapstick (talk) 04:06, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Awesome, if a little disorienting. Size should be much bigger than guidelines allow. ^Bongo_matic 05:17, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I counted 11 more trucks in the background, not sure the tonnage, but I would guess almost 400 per truck. The picture has an artsy feel with the angle it was taken at, which I kind of like, I hope the guy who did that one can convince his friend to release some of his, they are most awesome. kelapstick (talk) 05:28, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Sheldon Segal

On October 29, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sheldon Segal, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

SoWhy 17:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Happy halloween from a ghostly editor

Happy Halloween--219.89.8.115 (talk) 01:06, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Very scary! ^Bongo_matic 01:43, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Kelapstick/Franco-Nevada

Thoughts?--kelapstick (talk) 21:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

See article. Interesting. Very glad you wrote it. Need some add'l facts (indicated in the draft) to make it clearer. ^Bongo_matic 21:35, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Looks good, I will see what I can dig up, if you find anything feel free to add. Cheers.--kelapstick (talk) 21:37, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I just went to Portal:Mining, and saw that the 4 DYKs up were all ones that I had written/expanded...--kelapstick (talk) 22:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that Newmont retained any interest in Franco, the idea (I think) was for Franco to raise money from the IPO to fund Newmont projects via royalty purchases, if Newmont retained a stake in Fracno, they would be either taking a cut in the amount of capital available (say the had a 30% stake, that would be 300 million less available), or paying Franco to fund their own projects. I have to dig a little deeper, but don't think I will get the opportunity to do it today. --kelapstick (talk) 16:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

If Newmont sold it stake, then at least a significant portion of the proceeds of the IPO would have been raised by Newmont, not the company (and hence not available for the company to buy Newmont's portfolio with). On the other hand, if the company sold all new shares, then Newmont would have been diluted. I'll look at a couple of things. ^Bongo_matic 17:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

They just announced another acquisition, meanwhile I have also been trying to build a better mousetrap, did you see the new link on the bacon star at the top of your page? --kelapstick (talk) 00:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Great! I'd really like to delve into template syntax one day. Look forward to the Franco-Nevada story getting fully fleshed out. 02:58, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

But did you click on it? I have had it linked for a while, but never got around to creating the page. kelapstick (talk) 04:07, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

←No I hadn't. Outstanding! ^Bongo_matic 04:41, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Emil Glad

Do you really question the notability of this deceased person with quite a lengthy filmography at IMDB? I removed your notability tag, this is not a BLP, let's relax the tightness a bit... Turqoise127 (talk) 20:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Pissing contests

The phrase "don't get into a pissing contest with a skunk" is popping up here and there. Are you familiar with it? What does it mean? Is it like saying don't pee on a skunk because it will spray you? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I only know don't pee outside in a hail storm....and the one about into the wind...--kelapstick (talk) 16:12, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey

Thanks for the re-welcome. Just a quick note. I am now The Legendary Sky Attacker now so I am not notified whenever a new message is left at User talk:Sky Attacker anymore. But anyway, have I missed anything big in the last month?--The Legendary Sky Attacker (talk) 08:13, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Nope. Same old, same old. ^Bongo_matic 08:37, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Political scandals of the United States

Please use TALK before reverting. Please do not revert wp:or unless you first provide reliable sources. 24.23.60.221 (talk) 02:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no need to get talk page consensus before reverting removal of non-reliably-sourced information or re-insertion of removed properly sourced information. ^Bongo_matic 02:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually you do need to discuss your edits. Someone who never served in the executive branch the article claims committed a scandal and there is no reliable source to suggest that this was an executive branch scandal. This makes the claim original research. Original research may not be reverted unless supported. You reverted but did not support the claim for an executive branch scandal. You did however delete the AIG scandal, which was sourced, and without discussion.

The original material had a reliable source, but this source did not support the claim. The source was deleted for this reason. There was nothing wrong with that source, except that it was irrelevant and unsupporting.

Wiki rules are complex, if I'm claiming anything about the policies that you disagree with, please ask me to point you to the source. I've been mistaken on these before and may be again. How may best I help you?

Please do not revert OR unless you support the unsupported claim. 24.23.60.221 (talk) 02:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

AIG bonus payments controversy

Why did you delete the material about the AIG bonus payments controversy? Others considered it a scandal. It was sourced. Shouldn't you have discussed this deletion first? 24.23.60.221 (talk) 03:19, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Confirmations of Barack Obama's Cabinet

Timothy Geithner was subject to several scandals, all of which you deleted without discussion. Please read Confirmations of Barack Obama's Cabinet. You missed these perhaps, but these are all real scandals. Not paying taxes is a felony. Not only was his appointment a scandal, it was a scandal that any president would appoint a confessed tax cheat to head the IRS. Why did you delete this scandal without discussion? 24.23.60.221 (talk) 03:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

• Snif...snif...I smell OR cooking, with a dash of POV. Drmies (talk) 05:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for being an official chairperson for the Doughnut Drive 2009 event. We're fortunate to have someone as skilled and expert on this subject as you are. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The Price Is Right (U.S. game show) Merge Proposals

I've proposed editing and merging One Bid, Showcase Showdown and The Showcase into the respective sections of The Price Is Right (U.S. game show). Please feel free to comment here. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Bongomatic/Heartache (short story)

Good luck. I've looked through the LION and MLA databases and found nothing, and nothing yet in Google Books. What happened? Was this deleted and you got it userfied? You may have to hit the real library for this, the one with real books. Drmies (talk) 05:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey Bongo, look at what I did. I found two alternate titles that may help you find some more information. The reference to the Rowland title can also help compile a "translation" history, or at least some publication information in the US in the 19th century. If an article is revived from AfD death, is it DYK-eligible? Drmies (talk) 17:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I have a ton of userfied articles to get through including this. Will hope to do so today and respond properly. ^Bongo_matic 18:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

re:userification

I was around, just too busy to undelete & userify them immediately. If you don't find someone else to undelete them by tomorrow morning (~8 hours from now) let me know and I'll do it then. Heading to bed now... --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ThaddeusB, Skier Dude did it!

As you might remember I'd been taking part in various respects in the deleted content matter. Although I took a step back, as discussions became splintered or clouded, I have glanced around at it since. From that, I learnt of the userfication and your stated intention to 'release them to mainspace'. I wondered if you might be willing to reply to explain what you meant by that quoted part? If you'd rather not, that's perfectly okay. Thank you. –Whitehorse1 02:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I won't be releasing them to article as the userfied versions came to me without the history required for GFDL. But if the content looks right, I will ask an admin to undelete them back to article space along with my commentary in individual talk pages. ^Bongo_matic 02:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Bongomatic, thank you. –Whitehorse1 02:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Just wondering if you'd made any headway with these, as just one of them appears to have been either re-created or restored into user space. No rush, just curious. Skier Dude (talk) 04:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Another editor--I forget who--suggested that there may be significant POV beyond the obvious descriptive information requiring detailed fact checking. That's not really what I had intended (more just spot fact-checks), so it is not on the front burner. Thanks for checking in. ^Bongo_matic 05:01, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I Knew It Was You

Was able to add a few touches. Am specially happy to have added the film poster. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

"A few touches"—nice understatement! Great work. I agree about the poster. Thanks! ^Bongo_matic 01:45, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Glad to assist. Nice find. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:49, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Smoker–help!

Hi lurkers—anyone with interest or expertise in theater or its history is invited to help with User:Bongomatic/Smoker (theater), a work in progress that may be OR, DICTDEF, and NN. Thanks, ^Bongo_matic 06:19, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Can it be merged somewhere? As far as Sir Francis Bacon Brittle, at least there is finally a real bacon connection for this "Southern non-tradition". Happy Holidays. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Janice Roberts

An article that you have been involved in editing, Janice Roberts, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janice Roberts. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. As you're the only other non-sockpuppet / bot to edit this article, I thought I'd give you a heads-up. Josh Parris 03:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

FCO

You should read and answer to the discussion entry I left at FCO, before continuing to remove the updated and correct definition of Full Corporate Letter. --noclador (talk) 06:31, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Create the article or cite a reference. Until then, since there's a dispute as to what it is, it should be omitted. ^Bongo_matic 06:42, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

?? as long as there was a fake/erroneous entry it was fine. Now that there is the correct entry you want references and an article??? --noclador (talk) 08:06, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

As long as there was an undisputed entry it was fine. The previous entry--which I did not author--appeared to me to be correct, and it went uncontested since January 2, 2007, nearly two years ago. Now you come in to contest it, adding material of opposite meaning without any reference. So it is more appropriate to delete until it is settled with a referenced article. ^Bongo_matic 12:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

A massive apology

During the close of the bong cooler AFD I misinterpreted the page history and was under the impression that you had actually moved the article away from the original location during the discussion before voting to redirect anyway. I found the page move confusing when I was closing and left an acerbic comment wrongly attributing the original page move to you. It has been pointed out to me that this was unfair and incorrect and having rechecked I absolutely agree that this is correct. I have fixed the AFD to reflect the reality and would like to apologise to you for any offence that my comment may have caused. My only defence is that page moving during an AFD is confusing and I was confused enough not to appreciate the full facts when I acted but this is a poor excuse. I accept I should have taken more care and am sorry for the comment. Spartaz ^Humbug! 17:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Fortunately I didn't notice! No harm, no foul (or given the weekend, no fowl). Thanks for the conscientious follow-up, however! ^Bongo_matic 23:26, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Always appreciated..

Thank you for looking looking in. You might advise how I can continue THIS using the simplest terms possible... as a essay/guide for newbies... not meant for those skilled in Wiki-speak. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Incubation/re: Schwa (restaurant)

First of all, thanks for referencing Schwa (restaurant). I certainly appreciate that. However, in the future I kindly ask that leave a page in incubation until it is thoroughly improved. The goal of the project is not just to add some references to prove notability and then move on, but rather to make quality articles about these allegedly hopeless topics.

"Reference dumping" is useful to editors, but doesn't really help readers any. A reader coming across the Schwa stub isn't going to learn anything they didn't already know, most likely; and an editor would have been more likely to improve it if it had stayed in incubation rather than in mainspace.

Of course there was nothing wrong with moving it rule wise, and I can't force you not to in the future. I am just saying it is more useful to the incubation project, Wikipedia, and the illusionist POV to produce quality articles than minimalist stubs in the long run. Thanks for your consideration, ThaddeusB (talk) 17:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

What is the illusionist POV? I think you meant inclusionist? Bongo has been pushing the inclusionist line for some time now, but I keep telling him that high standards are important. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, yes of course inclusionist - funny mental error by me there. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Very reasonable point. Apologies. The result of the speedy was so preposterous that I felt compelled to have it literally reversed as soon as possible, which probably is not a terribly helpful approach. ^Bongo_matic 22:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

It was deleted in an AfD I think first, which is why I stuck it in my userspace. Not sure if you knew about that or not. Anyway, what's shaking? How are you on legal topics??? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, saw the history—hadn't heard of it before. The AfD was an embarrassment to the community. As you know, I have a relatively stringent interpretation of the notability guidelines, but this one is a no-brainer—WP:BEFORE needn't be policy, but those who don't follow it (including me, sometimes!) often waste others' time and disrupt the encyclopedia. When you defend articles in the future, it's much better to provide links to specific articles than to make a general GHITS article.

Do you want me to have a look at the Twinkie defense article or whatever people are fighting about on your talk page now? ^Bongo_matic 02:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Update: I think I resolved all the problems at that article. Ya like? ^Bongo_matic 02:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

And Thaddeus—as CoM cryptically alluded to, I don't have an inclusionist POV (I may have an illusionist one—need to think about adding an essay and a category!), but people ought not to be going around deleting even poorly-sourced articles on topics that obviously meet the guidelines. ^Bongo_matic 02:23, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, if an article is crappy enough and no one is willing to fix it, then it's not really the end of the world if it gets deleted. That article wasn't terribly informative, and still isn't. But I'm sure you'll get it shaped up in no time! Don't worry about Twinkies or Chewbacca, it's doughnuts that remain our chief concern. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

A couple thoughts... If the article was nom'ed under A7 I probably wouldn't have speedied it even though it met the criteria, IMO. However, as a G4 I didn't really have a choice as it was identical to AfD article.

Anyone who thinks AfD is always right is kidding themselves. For example, compare this unanimous delete to this unanimous keep 1.5 months later. None of the sources were new in reality, but no one bothered to BEFORE/AFTER this first time, evidently. Also, numerous GAs were previously deleted via AfD.

I don't care where you stand on the whole inclusionist vs. deletionist debate, and didn't mean to imply anything by my comment. I just throw that line in there to show that improving the article first was better no matter what POV one had. Everyone here *should* want the same thing - high quality articles covering everything that can be reliably covered w/o relying on primary sources & original research to do it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for helping "cleanup" after me on these articles. As you may have seen, Schwa is heading to the mainpage shortly via DYK. I imagine Carlson isn't far behind after I make a few more changes. :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:59, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

No trouble at all. You did all the heavy lifting, and to extremely good result—these are excellent and informative articles now. Wish you'd contacted me before it was so far along in the process—probably could have spiced up the hook a little. ^Bongo_matic 04:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Carlson is now a DYK suggestion. Feel free to suggest a better hook – nothing really jumped out at me. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:33, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Some facts / concepts that might be fun to work in:

• Protégé of Achatz
• Noted for lack of business acumen
• Avant-garde / molecular gastronomy

Great work—two excellent editions to the encyclopedia. ^Bongo_matic 05:50, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

CSD Declined for Giles Vickers Jones

Hi! I have declined the CSD for Giles Vickers Jones as there was a small amount of notability asserted, albeit unreferenced. Under the rules of WP:CSD A7, if an article makes any credible assertion of notability, it is not a candidate for speedy deletion, and should be dealt with through improvement, PROD or AFD. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Stephen! ^Coming... 17:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Obliged. ^Bongo_matic 23:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

gcet

Prerit2131 (talk) 05:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC) sir, my edit on gcet was not promotional. i am a respected writer for some of the most reliable newspapers. all that i wrote was referenced and if you think that's promotional than i can argue that most of the stuff about any college is promotional. everything was referenced. i never write anything without reference and i am dead honest on that. if you don't agree come with me to india and i can prove you in person.

Topic adequately covered in main article. Your honesty is not at issue—just the material's compliance with WP:V WP:N WP:POV and other policies and guidelines. ^Bongo_matic 06:23, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

refimprove on Vibraphone

What's meant by the refimprove tag that you added to the Vibraphone page? Without some specific information to indicate where the problems are it's pretty difficult to tell what should be changed to address your concerns. Tpvibes (talk) 02:24, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The specialty techniques section in particular. I've moved the template there (and left it as refimprove instead of an unreferenced, because I imagine that even after one reference is added it will still need further improvement). Hope that's more helpful. ^Bongo_matic 02:36, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, OK, but I'm not sure how to provide references for these types of things -- these types of things are usually passed on by observing someone doing them, rather than by documentation. Any suggestions? Tpvibes (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, don't know what sort of technique books or other reference works might exist. There's nothing with having the tags in place until someone comes up with a good reference for them. ^Bongo_matic 15:36, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Google Books shows that there are lots of books on technique. ^Bongo_matic 15:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Waldo Hunt

On December 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Waldo Hunt, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 05:36, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Congrats. I read his obit in the LA Times and he seemed like an interesting guy. A friend of mine is into pop-up books now, and it's kind of an interesting subject/ craft. Keep up the good work. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, I first saw him in the NYT (which even covers left-coast deaths occasionally). Thanks for the note. ^Bongo_matic 22:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Not a big fan of the "singlehandedly" comment in the lead... Did he only have one hand? --kelapstick (talk) 16:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Bacon Challenge

As a member of the Bacon Cabal I am assuming that you will be interested in the Bacon Challenge 2010. Am I correct? If so, we look foward to seeing you sign up ;)--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 09:15, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Great News!!!

Bacon Materializer

Unable to resist bacon's temptations, rogue editors have kicked off the Bacon Challenge 2010 before the New Year even starts! This is a fun and collegial event and all are welcome. There are many non-pork articles for editors who enjoy some sizzle, but object to or don't like messing with pig products. This year's event also includes a Bacon WikiCup 2010 for those who may want to keep score and enjoy engaging in friendly competition. Given the critical importance of this subject matter, I know you will want to participate, so remember to sign up today and get started A.S.A.P. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

BLP noticeboard

Hi there, could you comment here? The discussion seems to have petered out. Tim Vickers (talk) 16:55, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Kind Suggestion

Hi Bongo. I think your comments (most recently at WP:FEED) and actions regarding my activities have at this point become a little bothersome and quite frankly border on violation of WP:HOUND. Please desist, or like you once told me, cut it out. There will be times when I solicit your extensive editing experience and knowledge, but please refrain from making unsolicited comments and pushing your own views of what is or isn't appropriate for the project. Thanks. Turqoise127 (talk) 16:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Turq. Happy to stay off your talk page if you like, but that's about all I can offer you. The consensus is made up of a bunch of individual views—obviously I think mine is a useful one to the project. Regards, ^Bongo_matic 22:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

File:Father Winter Solstice.jpg

Sky Attacker the legend reborn... is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Xmas, Eid, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hannukah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec09}} to your friends' talk pages.

--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 03:04, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Sky. Best to you & yours, too. ^Bongo_matic 03:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The Sunless City

Care to hook it up? I wish I could find a better picture, I don't think any of the ones I took of the statue are digital (or in this country).--kelapstick (talk) 21:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

lol what you messin' with my links for?

Whats' this "plain links" business? :-) Proofreader77 (talk) 23:14, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Look much less grody, and are appropriate for "external" links to Wikipedia. ^Bongo_matic 23:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't mean to be troublesome, but it might seem the color choices of links on my own talk page are my choice. The link is a diff. Is that the issue, and what policy are we talking about? lol In any case, happy holidays. Proofreader77 (talk) 00:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Didn't intend to change any of the colors on your page--and don't think I in fact did so. Rather, I just linked something and tried to make sure the text remained the color you had for the unlinked text--may not have been necessary, but I no next to nothing about html and wiki markup. No policy, a matter of taste--it is a diff, but my view on that is that it's a bug that there's no way to show diffs using a wl instead of an URL. ^Bongo_matic 08:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I have two pieces of black background links. You changed the text color inside from tan (good on black) to blue (less good on black) ... No problem. I fixed it. I was just surprised. :-) Proofreader77 (talk) 08:12, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Alert.

Wikipedia:The Great Wikipedia Dramaout/2nd--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 01:53, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Agraceful

This band has already met notability guidelines for music, and was already up for deletion. The result was to keep. 205.133.194.232 (talk) 20:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

---

Happy Holidays to you and yours Bongo. Turqoise127 (talk) 17:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks--and to you & yours as well. ^Bongo_matic 02:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Franco-Nevada

I took it live, got tired of it sitting in my sandbox.--kelapstick (talk) 21:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I find it amusing that my efforts to make Dr. Press' article more neutral, and my pushing to have Howard's article deleted, and in general help out other editors, results in being called A Meat-Puppet...I guess no good dead goes unpunished...Hope your holiday season was full of awesomeness (and bacon).--kelapstick (talk) 21:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

If you're a meatpuppet, you're certainly a baconpuppet—accept no lesser accusation. Hope yours was / is too. ^Bongo_matic 21:07, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I should have mentioned that at the SPI, I am in the office today, maybe one more day this week. We were going to go snow tubing at North Lake Tahoe, but I think the little guy is too small still, and they don't let you ride with them on your lap (damn rules).--kelapstick (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

• Support indefinite block and banning. I always knew Kelapstick was up to no good. Anyone who would go so far as to drop a bacon explosion on friends and family needs to be stopped, immediately. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
• I've never met a food that wasn't enhanced by adding bacon to it. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 22:00, 30 December 2009 (UTC)