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I think all the items that have been raised have been addressed now. Thanks for doing such a thorough GA review. I pasted the full-text of the source you asked for on Talk. Since that is copyrighted material, can you remove it as soon as you get a chance to take a look? CorporateM (Talk) 17:06, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate your hard work on this. I'll look at your comments and provide more feedback shortly. Edge3 (talk) 21:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I did what I could and posted some comments on my findings. Ball is in your court again.
I put together a re-write of the first two paragraphs of the Products section with better sources, more copyediting, a greater focus on its active ingredients, etc. It may be inappropriate for me to move it to article-space myself on account of my COI. CorporateM (Talk) 01:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
I saw the edits, and I plan to provide more feedback within the next day. Edge3 (talk) 03:43, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
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For one of the most thorough GA reviews I have received. CorporateM (Talk) 13:15, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

I've been meaning to step up my game to the FA level; I might take a shot at it with this one since it has already been vetted so thoroughly. BTW- there are a couple articles I am working on in a COI role that are close-ish to being GAN-ready, but I'm having a hard time finding an editor to work with in a BrightLine(ish) fashion. Some editors I know are inactive atm and others are paralyzed by the lack of consensus in the paid editing debate in the wake of the Wiki-PR scandal. I was wondering if you had the time/interest to help out? CorporateM (Talk) 13:15, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar! It was a pleasure to review the article. I personally think that you still to put in a lot more work to get the article to FA standard, since their standards are much stricter. (For example, the article needs to be expanded to make it comprehensive.)
I might be able to help you on your other articles, but I'm getting busier with my time commitments at work. I might not pick up a GAN this month, but I'll definitely have more time next month. Edge3 (talk) 19:21, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Ok, let me know and I'll just play it by ear. The articles are Monster (company) and Yelp, Inc.. It's probably not clear on either page what needs to be done next, but well... the whole BrightLine process is rather disjointed and difficult. CorporateM (Talk) 20:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, Edge3!
I was impressed with the Proactive GA review you did (I was looking over some of CorporateM's work) and I read your User Page which mentions your college thesis about WP and SOPA. Is this posted anywhere online? I'd be interested in reading your take on what happened, WP's response and what impact you think it might have had.
Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 22:51, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

@Liz:Thank you for your compliments! I always try to be thorough with my GA reviews, and I'm glad that many people liked my approach with Proactiv.
I did write my thesis on WP and SOPA, but it's not posted online. I've actually been planning to reorganize my userpage and add more information about my WP-related work. I hope to include a link to the thesis, and I can notify you once it's ready (probably within the next month). However, if you have an urgent research need to see it, I can also email you a copy this week. Edge3 (talk) 15:57, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

David Bednar[edit]

Hello, I'm just wondering if you've happened to view the article on David Bednar in the last little while? I'm wondering if the edits I've made over the last few weeks have helped to prove his notability? Thanks! -- Zanimum (talk) 01:17, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

@Zanimum: Thanks for letting me know. I must have accidentally taken it off my watchlist, since I didn't see your edits. I'll take a look within the next few days. Edge3 (talk) 03:00, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Zanimum (talk) 20:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

GANs from Sailing to Byzantium: a proposition[edit]

Greetings, Edge3. I am reviewing United States v. Jones (2012) for GA status, which was nominated by Sailing to Byzantium prior to his disappearance. My review is at Talk:United States v. Jones (2012)/GA1. I see that you are also reviewing one of his articles: J.D.B. v. North Carolina at Talk:J.D.B. v. North Carolina/GA1. I'd like to propose a trade: I'll do my best to get J.D.B. v. North Carolina into shape, resolving all the issues you identify, and you try to do the same for United States v. Jones (2012). Would you be interested? (Of course, if StB returns, I'll yield to him instead.) All the best, – Quadell (talk) 15:37, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

@Quadell: Thanks for the message! I apologize for the late reply. I might be able to help out with United States v. Jones (2012), but I might be slow in making the needed edits because I've been busy at work. I hope that's okay with you... it's better to make slow progress than no progress!
I see that Khazar2 contributed to both articles. Khazar is active on the GA Project and might be able to assist our efforts. Edge3 (talk) 14:51, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
I wish I could help, and I appreciate your thinking of me. I'm tied up with other projects at the moment, though (mostly trying to get United Nations to GA) and in any case my contributions to both were just a few fmt and spelling tweaks. Shame to hear that StB is gone; she/he seemed to be doing some good work. Good luck to you both in steering these through-- Khazar2 (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
No worries, Khazar2. I appreciate your prompt reply. I sent StB an email to ask whether he/she would like to participate in the GA reviews. In the meantime, I would be willing to execute Quadell's proposed trade. Edge3 (talk) 16:53, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Glad to hear it--best of luck with these! -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Khazar. A UN GA sounds ambitious! And Edge: you're on. :) – Quadell (talk) 17:53, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of United States v. Jones (2012)[edit]

The article United States v. Jones (2012) you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:United States v. Jones (2012) for comments about the article. Well done! Quadell (talk) 13:34, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

@Quadell: Thank you! I'm glad to have contributed to this article. Edge3 (talk) 00:59, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

NextWorth Solutions[edit]

I guess re-directs don't count for de-orphaning. Any ideas on where it should be linked? Need to be free of tags for GA criteria. CorporateM (Talk) 00:53, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

At the moment, I have no idea. But I might think of something as I'm reading through the sources. Edge3 (talk) 00:56, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Cool. Seems all my GA nominations got picked up at once - please don't interpret any lack of participation on my part to mean I've forgotten this one. Trying to get History of public relations ready for the GA review to continue is killing me. Just 1.5 books, some globalization and maybe another shot at the Lead to go. CorporateM (Talk) 04:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
No worries. I was about to explain that I've been slow on this review as well -- I had a busy weekend, and I'll be busy working during the next few days. I'll try to fit in a few edits and comments when I can, but if you don't see me every night, you know why. Edge3 (talk) 05:37, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

GAN for Finn M. W. Caspersen[edit]

I'll get a chance to resolve the issues you mentioned later today, most likely in the afternoon (19DEC2013). Thanks again. --ColonelHenry (talk) 08:03, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

  • I spent most of my day yesterday with Whitman, and today it's two funerals. I was going to take a whack at it last night, but was just too tired. If I have enough energy to fix the matters raised in the review when I get home later tonight (22DEC13), I'll do it today. Otherwise, expect it to be my first priority tomorrow (Monday 23DEC13). Either way, I hope to have it wrapped up before the holiday. Many thanks again for your comments and for your patience.--ColonelHenry (talk) 14:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
    • Oh, no worries. I understand that you have a lot going on, and I'll also be busy during the holidays. We can continue the review when we're free. Edge3 (talk) 17:45, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Heading off to Christmas Vigil church services this evening, but I'll address your latest comments in the late hours when I get back. Best wishes for a Happy Christmas.--ColonelHenry (talk) 00:07, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
    • Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you too! No need to respond right away, especially since we probably have more important things to do during the holidays! Edge3 (talk) 00:13, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

I am grateful for all the work that you have put into this review. It was quite thorough and your diligent attention to it has helped polish the article tremendously. I have enjoyed working with you on this and look forward to the next time we can collaborate. Thank you immensely. Happy Christmas! --ColonelHenry (talk) 19:06, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure. Merry Christmas to you, too! Edge3 (talk) 21:42, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Jim Walton[edit]

Merry Christmas! Thanks for taking this on. I've changed the article as per your review. I'm not sure about few of your recommendations. Feel free to insist if I'm wrong. --AparnajiTalk 01:24, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Request for input[edit]

Hey Edge. I'm working on a draft HubSpot article, where I use to have a COI about a year ago. The article has been bothering me, because I want it to be GA like all the others, but I will probably cause a ruckus IRL for improving it. I never had much direct contact with HubSpot even when I had a COI and I'm not actually sure what the communication with them was or has-been, etc. I am also a HubSpot customer and long-time observer of their marketing strategies. I figured the "just do it" philosophy tends to work out pretty well for me.

Anyways, I was hoping you might have a minute to provide a quick second opinion on a couple things: if this should be included or if we should wait to see if anything becomes of it and if you had any thoughts on the most neutral/concise way to cover this source. CorporateM (Talk) 07:52, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

@CorporateM: Regarding this article on the lawsuit, I think you should exclude it from the article until the story develops further. I would wait until the lawsuit is settled, or until the story develops further in the news sources.
As for your second question about this, I think the Xconomy article already presents a neutral point of view. However, you should try to find another source that covers the same story, independently of Xconomy. The conciseness of your summary will depend on how much coverage there is in other sources. If you find more sources, then you can provide more details in the Wikipedia article. Edge3 (talk) 15:26, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! That's what I was thinking RE the lawsuit. We don't normally include them, unless they have some historic significance or are unquestionably notable. Some larger articles have the source material to state whether they are prone to lawsuits in general.
I don't think there are other sources about the tweetup thing, but my standards for quality of sourcing are pretty low for this article. They are the example the entire marketing industry follows for modern and social media marketing, but I don't have the source material to say it. No doubt, it is because they do not believe in PR and have no PR agency that their notability is under-stated by established news sources. Anyways, I just put "There was some debate in 2009 on if HubSpot was over-commmercializing tweetups". I try to avoid using names of non-notable people, so that was a general way of putting it. CorporateM (Talk) 18:37, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Be careful about saying "there was some debate"... seems vague and could be a case of WP:WEASEL. Regarding the quality of sourcing, have you tried searching business journals? If Hubspot is as notable as you say it is, then someone should have written about it in a business school publication, industry journal, or case study. (e.g. Harvard Business Review) Edge3 (talk) 22:15, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Nice catch! That looks like a dam good source and I noticed the article was cited by Entrepreneurial Executive. There goes $8 to purchase it, but a small price compared to the $100 or so I've probably spent on books for History of public relations or Fluor Corporation. I'm getting better at finding niche sources that are really good. Today I am off to the library so I can get an inter-library loan to get an article from 1972, from a publication no longer in existence, from the only library in the country that still has a copy. Wish me luck. CorporateM (Talk) 14:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

That source basically has everything I knew belonged in the article, but wasn't finding in the source. Thanks again! CorporateM (Talk) 15:17, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

No problem! I'm happy to help. :) Edge3 (talk) 23:13, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

A brownie for you![edit]

Brownie transparent.png Thanks for the feedback at Arlen F. Gregorio I'm looking forward to any further suggestions you have for improvement. Cheers! KeithbobTalk 00:01, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Yum! Thank you for the brownie. I'll provide additional suggestions soon, but the review may be delayed due to the New Year holiday. Edge3 (talk) 00:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
@Keithbob: I've finished posting my additional suggestions. You may respond at a time convenient to you within the next week. Edge3 (talk) 03:57, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll take a look and if this process pauses till the new year, that's fine, no rush! -- KeithbobTalk 04:01, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Edge is probably the best and most thorough GA reviewer I've gotten. I count myself lucky each time he picks up one of my noms and it's particularly helpful when I want to make sure my COI articles are impeccable. Wish we had more GA reviewers like him/her! CorporateM (Talk) 15:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliments! You write well and pay close attention to detail, which certainly makes my job a lot easier! Edge3 (talk) 23:13, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Paul Sally Death[edit]

Hey, I haven't been involved in the edit war, but I have noticed the Paul Sally death issue. (I'm a current UofC student that saw it around Facebook, searched for confirmation, etc.) The main confirmations I've seen are all admittedly just on Facebook at, but the OP is a recent PhD student. I don't really know what Wikipedia policy is on this sort of stuff. Harpsichorddude (talk) 01:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

@Harpsichorddude: Thanks for the message. I also saw the news circulate through Facebook, but I couldn't find confirmation on any official UofC pages or news sources. Unfortunately, due to the lack of a reliable source, Wikipedia policy does not allow the article to state that Paul Sally has died. The relevant policy is Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Regards, Edge3 (talk) 01:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year Edge3![edit]

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Hello Edge3:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, KeithbobTalk 16:22, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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Arlen F. Gregorio[edit]

Thanks for the heads up, I've fixed that sentence and citation regarding the company name. -- KeithbobTalk 16:22, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles December 2013 Backlog Drive[edit]

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Finn M. W. Caspersen at FAC[edit]

Since you did a great review at GAN, just wanted to let you know that I nominated it at WP:FAC for featured article status. If you have any further comments/suggestions for improvement, I'd be glad to attend to them.--ColonelHenry (talk) 17:09, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, ColonelHenry! Thanks for letting me know, and I wish you the best of luck on the FAC! As much as I'd love to get involved in an FAC review, I don't have time to do it now. I've recently reduced my activity on Wikipedia so that I can focus on other things during my free time, but I do check in once in a while. It's nice to hear from you, and I hope we keep in touch! Edge3 (talk) 01:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)


My GAN was declined on account of NPOV and COI concerns (I use to have a COI and didn't do a good job and circled back on a volunteer basis to clean it up) but without specific advice except for the overall tone being promotional, etc. Do you think I could bother you to take a look at where the article needs improvement to meet the GA standard? CorporateM (Talk) 02:30, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

@CorporateM: I'll take a look at this, but it might take a while because I'm busy working on some other things. I'll read your article's sources and let you know what I think. Edge3 (talk) 04:46, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much! Deeply appreciated and WP:NORUSH. CorporateM (Talk) 14:28, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi Edge. I just thought I would see if you were still expecting to have time to review the Hubspot article. Or, even better, if you could please make clones of yourself that can manage the entire GA review queue. That would really be ideal. :-D CorporateM (Talk) 15:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi CorporateM. I'm so sorry for the delay... I've gotten busier with a project at work, so I currently don't have the time to look at your article. :( I encourage you to find another reviewer, but if the article still needs a review when I resume editing, then I would be happy to take a look. Edge3 (talk) 03:39, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

GAN Backlog Drive Award[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Offer to help[edit]

Regarding your offer to chip in on areas where I have a COI, a couple easy items I could use help with is for someone to review this AfC submission and this request for a couple factual corrections on a BLP page. CorporateM (Talk) 18:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing the AfC submission! The backlog for a review is very long. If you're available to help some more, I need quite a bit of collaboration on the McKinsey & Company page (see here) This page was previously written largely by someone with a negative opinion about the company, so it has a lot of unsourced contentious material or mis-representations of the source material. I made a long list of bulleted requests to help cleanup the page. Capitalsmojo has done a lot of them (see the Insert items), but there are still six bullets left. CorporateM (Talk) 22:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for being so thorough on the Act-On page. It seems I need to do a better job fact-checking before nominating. If your offer to help in general is still open, I am still trying to find an editor to review the rest of my suggested edits on the McKinsey & Company page here and I've been trying to find someone to suggest how Hubspot needs improvement since the GA was turned down in January for COI and promo. CorporateM (Talk) 05:07, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
No worries. I'm happy to help. I'll probably look at McKinsey next. Edge3 (talk) 13:06, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
So I think we all agree the Notable alumni and Knowledge Management sections use junk sources and shouldn't be there, but that there may be proper sources for a more concise summary. It would really be easier (for me anyway *haha) if we just took them out and sort of made a mental note to cover the topic in a more concise matter with proper sources later on. Both are information that McKinsey would be motivated to share with Wikipedia's readers, so it doesn't seem like there would be any COI criticisms as a result of working incrementally. It's always a bit of a logistical problem trying to tackle such a complex article through proper COI conduct. CorporateM (Talk) 05:41, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, CorporateM. Sorry for the delay in responding... I was away during the holiday weekend. I'll review this at my next available opportunity. Edge3 (talk) 00:02, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! As a bit of an update, the only remaining Request Edit from that long list is my suggestion to remove the Knowledge Management section, at least until a properly-sourced one can be introduced. My note here mentions how the section is sourced now, but none of the sources actually support the article-text. I've also moved on to the next section here, which would cleanup a lot of junk-sources and whatnot and replace it with a concise, well-sourced section. CorporateM (Talk) 00:40, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Edge. Just a friendly ping - I don't know if you have any long-term interest in the McKinsey & Company page, but I have a section of content that's been on the Talk page awaiting consideration for three weeks now. I still have a lot of ground to cover on that page and at this rate by time it's done it will be outdated! ;-)
So I'm doing another round of pings looking for any editors that have shown an interest in collaborating on this page that might take a look at my Request Edit here. You'll see some vetting by another editor on the draft page already. CorporateM (Talk) 14:32, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
@CorporateM: I'm so sorry to keep you waiting, but I haven't been editing over the past few weeks because I'm studying for an exam next week. I plan to start editing again after the exam. I'm glad to hear that you're getting other editors involved! Edge3 (talk) 20:20, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look! I didn't know if you saw that I also offered a re-write of the environmental section here. If you just didn't have time, that's also ok, just didn't know if you saw it. CorporateM (Talk) 04:52, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

No worries; I saw it. That's the next thing I'll look at. Edge3 (talk) 21:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much! Do you think we can take care of the tags too? Certainly the article isn't perfect yet, but it's already better than most org pages and doesn't really warrant a half-dozen tags. CorporateM (Talk) 16:45, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I agree. The article has dramatically improved. Edge3 (talk) 03:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi Edge3. I just wanted to check-in to see if you were going to have time to look at the other content suggestions in the draft from a couple weeks ago. CorporateM (Talk) 22:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Copyright checks when performing AfC reviews[edit]

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The issue is in rather large numbers of copyright violations ("copyvios") making their way through AfC reviews without being detected (even when easy to check, and even when hallmarks of copyvios in the text that should have invited a check, were glaring). A second issue is the correct method of dealing with them when discovered.

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