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Malformed User Page

Hey there, Intelligentsium, I saw your name on WP:AIV, I thought to visit and drop a hi. Upon reaching your user page, I found it malformed. Just a notice, and happy wikifying!--Ecstacy Xtcy3 02:33, 27 March 2010 (UTC) --Ecstacy Xtcy3 02:33, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Malformed how? I know the "fake title" does not always overlay correctly with the real title, if that is what you mean; unfortunately, there is no solution to that. Cheers, Intelligentsium 02:39, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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DYK for Belted cardinalfish

Updated DYK query On April 6, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Belted cardinalfish, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 18:04, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Decimals of function {{#expr: .... }}

Hello Intelligentsium (...an original and nice name!), thank you for your prompt and clear answer. I'm using this function to display the percentage of articles I wrote on it.wikipedia (about 600), I just don't like all those unnecessary decimals. Greetings from Italy, --Gabodon (talk) 16:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Graveldiver

Updated DYK query On April 11, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Graveldiver, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 03:42, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Another award for your collection!

The Userpage Barnstar
For a clever and confusing userpage (which the old hands will appreciate) , and a very helpful talk page notice and preload (which I'm sure the newbies appreciate). Awesome job, on top of everything else you do for Wikipedia.

This is my first barnstar-giving-out, so if I've done it wrong, I'm sorry. :) Cheers, SS(Kay) 05:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! Intelligentsium 00:13, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Australian blenny

Updated DYK query On April 15, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Australian blenny, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Calmer Waters 06:04, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Pebbled butterflyfish

Updated DYK query On April 15, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pebbled butterflyfish, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Calmer Waters 12:04, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Australian rainbowfish

Materialscientist (talk) 16:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK

I fixed your concerns. Joe Chill (talk) 12:24, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You're right about editors having different opinions about citations after hooks. I started a discussion about it on WIkipedia talk:DYK and surprisingly, it got lots of responses. Joe Chill (talk) 16:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Talkback Linnaeus

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DYK for Margariscus

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Animals Signpost Interview

Hello Intelligentsium. Per your request on the WikiProject Desk at the Signpost, I have decided to feature your project on June 28. I will post interview questions here and look forward to your replies. Thank you, mono 20:26, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Nokian

Thank you for your fixing of references in the Nokian Tyres article. I am trying to fix the following references but need help. Most of them are ok (see the article for how it looks). References 9 16 17 18 19 26 57 need repair. Can you help? I will study what you do so that I can learn how to do it. Thank you. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 17:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I will do what I can. I see you are using {{cite web}} for some of these references; could you provide some URLs where you haven't already? Intelligentsium 18:48, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm also not sure what you mean by "fix"; could you be a bit more specific on what needs to be changed? Intelligentsium 18:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Fix, in terms of all references being the exact same format. This is a requirement for the best articles, like FA. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 20:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

thank you for the advice about citing pictures —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samfishman (talkcontribs) 20:07, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I see it. Ooops, sorry!

Ooops, I see how I errer. I'm sorry. MaynardClark (talk) 00:42, 13 June 2010 (UTC) MaynardClark (talk) 00:42, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ircinia strobilina

RlevseTalk 00:03, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Star

The Excellent User Page Award
Completely unique! mono 01:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Phymanthus crucifer

-- Cirt (talk) 12:03, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Careful!

When you revert vandalism, such as at Amy Williams (with your sock), it's usually a good idea to have a quick look at the page history to determine whether you need to revert any further back. In this case, the edit prior to the one you reverted was also vandalism, but I've reverted the page back to the last "clean" version. Just taking a moment to check the history can save further problems later on. :) Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?

Thanks for the help. I should have been more careful, but I suppose that's what I get for trying to squeeze a few hasty reverts in at the end of the workday. I'll be more careful next time. Cheers, Intelligentsium 19:56, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Actinoporus elegans

RlevseTalk 18:02, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Excellent User Page Award
Very diffrenet and amusing --Extra 999 (Contact me + contribs) 14:05, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you very much for signing up for the July Backlog Elimination Drive! The copyedit backlog stretches back two and a half years, all the way back to the beginning of 2008! We're really going to need all the help we can muster to get it down to a manageable number. We've ambitiously set a goal of clearing all of 2008 from the backlog this month. So once again, thanks for your support! --Diannaa TALK 02:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Permaban 71.51.135.191.

I just wound up reverting a couple of their edits on the same page, couple minutes apart. Checked their history and they have a consistent pattern regarding this. You were the last person to enact a ban on them, and they are obviously incorrigible. :( 1:57am Eastern 7/15/2010 67.149.104.75 (talk) 05:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I am not an administrator and thus cannot issue blocks (which is what I assume you mean by "Permaban"; note there is a difference between a block and a ban). I have warned that anonymous user in the past, and have now issued a final warning. If this user continues to vandalize, you can report him or her to WP:AIV, where an administrator will take appropriate action. Intelligentsock 14:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Browser spell checking

Hi, Thanks for your reply to my help request - please accept my apologies for taking so long to answer, I've been on WP rarely of late, and had forgotten I'd asked the question! I use Opera and the preferences are set to British English, so i'm baffled as to why it checks this in American! I'd assumed that it was the WP editor, but thanks for the info. Having used Opera for longer than i've been a registered user of WP and as I generally don't edit from anywhere but home this had not occurred to me! I'll look for info in the Opera forums. Thanks again. Bertcocaine (talk) 23:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

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GOCE Newsletter

GOCE July 2010 backlog elimination drive chart

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive! We have now passed the halfway point, so here's an update.

Progress Report - Progress toward the targets has been good. 751 articles out of the approximately 1,600 we would like to get completed by the end of the month were done by July 15, so we will be very close to meeting the target for volume. However, we would like to clear all of the 2008 articles from the backlog, and there are still 892 left to do. Please consider choosing one of these older articles when looking for something to copy edit. If we focus our firepower we can completely wipe out 2008 from the queue.

Participation Report - 95 people signed up for the July drive. This is a great result compared to May, when we had 36. However, in May only one person that signed up didn't do any copy edits, and in July only 59 of the 95 have posted any copy edits on the big board.

The task may seem insurmountable but please remember that if all 95 participants copy edit just one article a day from now until the end of the month, we will eliminate 1,300 more articles from the backlog. So please consider participating at whatever level you can! All contributions are appreciated.

This newsletter was prepared for the GOCE by Diannaa (Talk), S Masters (talk), and The Raptor Let's talk.

erm, could you help me?

  • In my user space. The helpdesk question.. • Ling.Nut 16:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Could you clarify what you need? I assume you need to refer to some note more than once, but without knowing which note I can only give generic advice:
On the first note, you need to have the full {{#tag:ref|content|name="name"|group=notes}}. However, for all subsequent references to that note you can simply put
<ref name="name" group=notes /> or {{#tag:ref|name="name"|group=notes}}. Intelligentsock 17:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
That's got it! Thanks! ...oh, another question. Some of the Notes in the article I'm working on are H-U-G-E. In the wikitext of the article, they make it difficult to keep track of where one should edit the article text. It's confusing. Is there a way I can physically locate the Notes in the Notes section, using named refs so there's a link in the article text, and... here's the thing.. not have the little blue [notes 1]? I know it can be done with <ref> tags (as it is in the Six-day War article).. but how about with group=notes? Tks!!! • Ling.Nut 10:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
There is only one way I know of to accomplish what you ask. I haven't actually used it before but I am familiar with its usage. By using the templates {{ref label}} and {{note label}}, you can bypass the ref tag syntax completely, somewhat like hardcoding the notes. However, this method is a bit complex, so I have implemented it for you on all of the notes currently present (although I cannot seem to locate where note 3 was used to be). Intelligentsock 19:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
The Guidance Barnstar
To Intelligentsium/Intelligentsock for guidance above and beyond the call of duty.
Now go do something about this whole split personality thing, and you'll be ready for the future.
• Ling.Nut 01:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the star. I'm not logged into my main account right now as I'm on holiday and editing from a variety of connexions (with a variety of security levels) during any downtime. Intelligentsock 02:15, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
I thought as much. Enjoy your holiday! And thanks again... • Ling.Nut 02:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

The Signpost

Hello. I need help editing the Signpost Please help! Very interesting is your userpage! --Sainsf<^> (talk) 17:03, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

If by Signpost you mean the cleverly-named weekly Wikipedia newsletter, then I'm afraid I can't help, as that is not an area where I am active. If you wish to participate, I suggest that you enquire at the Signpost talk page or take a look at the Newsroom for places where you can help. Intelligentsock 17:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
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TOC query

Do you know if there is a means to communicate to the wiki from within a table to add a line to a TOC? Appreciate the help. Д-рСДжП,ДС 16:52, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The only way I know of to add a line to the Table of contents is to use a header. From within a table, you may have to use HTML <h2> tags. You should consult the Manual of Style for guidance whether/how headers should be used inside tables. Intelligentsock 15:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

The WP:FEED backlog

Hello, I see you made a request at WP:FEED a long time ago, but have continued to be active on Wikipedia and made good edits to the encyclopedia. Since you have posted on WP:FEED in the past, I would like to suggest that if you want please try and help out at the page, as we have a massive backlog. It'd be really great if you provided some advice to other, new users on their articles.

To do this, you'll just need to take a look at their article, which they'll post the link to, and maybe see what perhaps can be improved, like adding sections, references or links, much like you would do with any other article, except you are giving feedback rather than making actual edits. After getting some idea of what needs to be improved, you just need to tell them briefly underneath. It's really simple but incredibly useful to new users and their articles, and helps to overall increase the quality of these new articles.

I hope you will at least consider, thanks. Please send me a message if you have any further questions. Thanks a lot! Chevymontecarlo 13:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't recall ever actually using WP:FEED myself (but I may be mistaken—if I did it must have been a long time ago). I have, however, occasionally given users advice on their articles in the past, as you have suggested, though regrettably I am quite busy right now in real life and do not have a lot of time to edit. I will be sure to try to drop in and help out if I can. Cheers, Intelligentsium 00:41, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
I can understand that you might be very busy with other stuff; that's fine. Thanks anyway :) Chevymontecarlo 06:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Duration template

Thank you for your work on {{Duration}}. Can I ask that please you check the output (see examples, in documentation) when seconds s>60? The error message does not appear. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:35, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

another bug, when s=59 :-( Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:33, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I fixed it, I think - please check there isn't a better solution. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:40, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Your solution seems to work. I originally anticipated that there might be problems at the point where s=59 and set it to check whether s is greater than 59 rather than whether s is less than 59, but must have changed it before I saved (for reasons I no longer remember). Sorry about the bugs—let me know if there are any more. Intelligentsium 16:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Seems OK now. Thanks again. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:12, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


Spain (climate)

I don't know if you are the good person, but I have give source in my edit : Köppen. The Csb climate is a Mediterranean one, and not oceanic (though the mountainous regions of Galicia are not Csb). So, I don't understand the reverts. --92.161.5.250 (talk) 22:45, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but Iberia nature is not an academical source. It is a review closer to National Geographic and destined to a large amount of the population. I have given a scientifical source, almost accepted everywhere in wiki : Köppen. Csb is definitively not an oceanic climate. So, about 80% of Spain is mediterranean, whatever the nuances (continental or not). That is not a very "diversified" climatic country, like US, Russia or China. By the way, the term "diversified" is not neutral, so it should be abolished of the article.--92.161.5.250 (talk) 22:53, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I think there may be a misunderstanding. I agree that there are parts of Spain where the Mediterranean climate prevails. You have been attempting to assert that most or all of Spain has a Mediterranean climate, and I appreciate your providing a source. Ultimately this seems to be a discussion of whether CSB is a Mediterranean climate, and whether to include "diverse" or simply to assert that Spain's climate is mostly Mediterranean. While I do not follow your logic that "diverse" is non-neutral, I will join your discussion on the talk page. Intelligentsium 23:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive invitation


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Barnstars

you responded to my {{helpme}} code, i still don't understand how to give someone a barnstar. it says on the barnstar page just put it on their talk page, i don't get how to do that. Inka 888 (talk) 02:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Please see Help:Link.   — Jeff G.  ツ 02:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
On WP:* is the code that you simply copy and paste into the edit box. For example, for the original barnstar, copy {{subst:The Original Barnstar|your message HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)}} as it appears when you read the page (don't copy the code from the edit box or it won't work). Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Your (proposals page) comment re Ugliest Ducklings

I valued your contribution re my Random Article, filter out the ugliest ducklings proposal. I would like to have heard back from you on the subject. Regards MarkDask 03:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank U

Thanx XL for fixing the brackets... Cool user page! Stay tuned.. Benuliak 22:21, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions. Intelligentsium 23:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Hiii My name is Zaira

Hiiii Intelligentsium

I'm a student at ITESM in Mexico. In my business class we have a new assigment! To open an account on wikipedia and start making friends. The objective of this is to be able to write an article about Mexico and publish it in Wikipedia.

I wanted to ask if you can help me? I see that you are active and I have a lot of questions.

To start, I will like to know what kind of article or waht you do at wikiprojects:Animals because I'm huge fan of animals.

Hope to hear from you.

Bye. Have a nice weekend Theoneinblue (talk) 00:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Zaira! I can help you write an article and become acquainted with Wikipedia. We already have an article about Mexico, as you have probably already seen, but there are subtopics that still lack articles. If you want to write about animals, we have lists of ideas at 1, 2, and 3. WikiProject Animals covers practically anything related to animals (which is not covered by another project); you can start writing about a taxon (a species is probably the easiest) or about anatomy. You can add yourself to this list to indicate that you are part of the project and display {{User WikiProject Animals}} on your userpage (both optional). Whatever questions you have, feel free to ask. Intelligentsium 00:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Just a note: the purpose of Wikipedia is not to 'make friends', as you might have noticed. Whilst one might forge friendships working alongside others to write articles, it is not the primary purpose. Cheers, Intelligentsium 01:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Intelligentsium, you have met one of my students. We will be working in WP on articles related to Mexico and business. Their assignment for this weekend is to make "friends" or contacts to help them get oriented.Thelmadatter (talk) 02:39, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Pandering to Religion

Why are pandering to religion. The ark fairy tale is myth! Thats the simple fact.

You dont want to accurately describe the fact it is, so you dont upset the the extremly ignorant faction of xtians (as most know its not true EG MYTH) and muslims.


27.33.106.67 (talk) 03:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I am not 'pandering' to religion, I am trying to keep Wikipedia articles neutral and organized. The History section already covers the unlikelihood of the story from a factual and professional point of view. Calling the Qu'ran and Bible 'myths' in the lead section is out of place and only serves to antagonize Christian and Muslim readers. In fact, denouncing their beliefs so bluntly in the lead section may prevent them from reading the actual evidence further down in the article. While the article could be made more neutral and objective, your edits did little toward this end. Intelligentsium 14:42, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Neutral... is saying its a fact not accurate? Does being neutral(So as not to offend the stupid) more important than truth? Do you think those that deny the fact of evolution because of primative religious beliefs, do it because they have not read the truth? YES or NO?--Somepers99 (talk) 07:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Answered below. Let's try to keep the discussion in one section. Intelligentsium 00:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Creation–evolution controversy

I've merged these two discussions as they fundamentally concern the same topic and are by the same user. Intelligentsium 00:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh its not about if evolution is true or not? Please explain what the non contraversy is about? Again with the pandering to the religious by not stating proven facts because they dont like the truth?--Somepers99 (talk) 04:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Somepers99 (talk) 04:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I assume you are the same user from the section directly above this one, and that you are referring to my revert of your edit to Creation–evolution controversy. Again, your edit projected a 'throwing down the gauntlet' attitude, as if you were challenging religious readers with the statement 'those who accept the fact of evolution'. That evolution occurs is asserted by the immediately following phrase: 'as supported by scientific consensus', the only difference being that it issues no such challenge. This is why I reverted your edit. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask. Intelligentsium 14:54, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

No challenge, there is none, just stating the truth. Is it a fact? Is that important? --Somepers99 (talk) 07:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

We do not try to avoid 'offend[ing] the stupid', as you say above. In fact, Wikipedia is not censored for anyone's benefit. I am not denying that evolution occurs, but there is a large difference between refuting a point in an encyclopaedic, dispassionate tone and doing the same in an argumentative, unencyclopaedic tone (the same as the distinction between 'The dispute is between those who support a creationist view, typically motivated by religious belief, versus those who accept evolution, as supported by scientific consensus' and 'The dispute is between creationists and those who accept the fact of evolution'). Regarding your edit to Creation–evolution controversy, whether evolution is a fact is only tangentially related; the article is about the controversy, and the merits of both sides should be discussed only so far as they support this main topic. Note that I say discussed, meaning sourced, informative, and unbiased coverage, not blunt unsupported assertions. Intelligentsium 00:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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I replied giving my opinions as well, also offering an alternative, I would like your input as well. Thank you! If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. WolfnixTalk • 22:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Pinctada radiata

RlevseTalk 12:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

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