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Re: Noongar

Thanks Ian. You might be interested in a short article on page 24 of today's West. Snottygobble | Talk 23:50, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Lake Monger

Brilliant. Snottygobble | Talk 06:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

'Standard' spelling of Nyungar/Noongar/...

discussion moved to Talk:Noongar


I was not around for a while. Sorry. Tintin 00:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Cricketer list - cricketbot

Would cricketbot be able to generate a list of cricketers (ie. are in one of the cricketer categories), but are not in List of cricketers? Ergo, they are probably ==Domestic cricketers==. -- Iantalk 14:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Good idea, thanks. See User:CricketBot/missing cricketers. Stephen Turner (Talk) 11:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Lake Monger, Western Australia, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.


Your nomination is at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ianbrown. Accept the nomination, answer the questions, then transclude the page into Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. Once you've done your bit, I'll spruik your nom on the notice board. Snottygobble | Talk 02:56, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Drew, thanks for doing that and the nomination. It's up and running now. -- Iantalk 03:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Wagyl, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.


I can't really take credit for the image, perhaps you can help me with what the license should be? Perhaps I may need to remove it.... I took a photo of a sign within Kings Park, Perth, and did some digital manipulation of the image. Not sure how that affects the copyright. I'm not sure if I can claim that is my own creation when it is based on an existing image. How did Andy Warhol get away with the Campbell's soup for example? How much do you need to change and existing image for it to be acceptable? I know that with music there is a maximum sample size allowed, but don't know how artwork should be treated. Thanks. SeanMack 11:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I've gone back to the original photo I took and it does have an artist credited. The artists name is R. Wallery. Would hate to think I'm abusing his intellectual property rights.
BTW are you the same Ian Brown that I saw on I've added quite a few links for WA so far, but seem to be one of only a few on there. WA is pretty good for image quality in Google Earth - if that wasn't you - you may want to have a look? Although it's not affiliated with wikipedia, the data points it collects are available free if wikipedia can make use of them.
answered at User talk:SeanMack
I've put both images on my user page as a comparison so if you want to advise...
Oh dear just wasted an hour that I'll never get back! Thought with the copyright issue I'd try and do a serpent mouse-freehand. I'm really unsure if it's worth the bandwidth, I think the fake brickwork might have been a filter too far, it's on my page...
Ah well it kept me out of trouble for an hour :-) I think the original image should probably be removed - don't really have the expertise to go any further with it. My gut feeling is that I haven't created anything new. Wnant me to delete it then? Or maybe use the sign itself? Image:P4022296.JPG SeanMack 11:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah please, I'd imagine the non-doctored image would be fair use? SeanMack 16:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

re: Cricket updates

Thanks, Ian (and Stephen). I've started working on putting the InfoBox in each Test players page, too. --Paul 08:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

List of cricket topics again

Hi Ian,

I got round to making this list eventually. See User:CricketBot/missing articles.

Stephen Turner (Talk) 12:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Civil Disturbances - Western Australia

G'day gday, I started this one up without really looking at the Crime in WA art - as there is a lot more to life than the broad ambit of just 'riots in australia' i tend to think of that as being too broad a brush - wondering whether you might have a handle on a placement within the crime in wa world, I am defintiely not after an Afd nomination!! vcxlor 02:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Heheh the full circle, drew and I and the stupid spat over refs. most of these incidents are very difficult to locate in easily found secondary sources (irony again) will try after christmas - hope what has been started will come to something (!) I'm mystified why we dont can Crime in Perth for Crime in WA?vcxlor 03:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

OK - a new years resolution. If I dont speak before - have a good christmas vcxlor 04:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Oh and well done with your vote! Excellent enjoy adminship!vcxlor 04:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I envisage a January/February start to referencing the incidents that dont get pulled our by me or others, (snotty warned me off one which smells like military rather than civil) I'd be celebrating now I'm sure you got more than snotty did! vcxlor 06:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:Leonard.lord.jpg has been listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded, Image:Leonard.lord.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

WA Inc

Hi Ian, Great to see a WA Inc article finally on Wikipedia. Well done. I will try to add to it. Snottygobble drew my attention to it, as I've recently written a feature on Wikipedia with a WA angle. David Cohen


Thanks. My first DYK. I got the idea from you, as I've been jealous of your fine DYK contributions for some time now. Hopefully the two of us contributing to DYK won't show up as too much of a WA bias. Snottygobble | Talk 02:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Okay, I'll bear that in mind. Got your radio on yet? Snottygobble | Talk 02:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


G'day mate, just wondering if you'd be interested in joining the all-new WikiProject AFL. I've done the job solo basically and it's come a long way, but I need feedback from esteemed people such as yourself. Cheers! Rogerthat 06:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks mate, I always thought that on the Net, AFL info was generally lacking, hopefully this project can become a reliable source for AFL fans. Cheers, Rogerthat 11:42, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


I'm pleased to inform you that you are now an administrator. Please consider reading all the material on the administrators' reading list before testing out your new privileges. Though everything you do, excluding image deletions and page history merges, is reversible, you should nevertheless be very careful with your sysop capabilities. For instructions, please see the administrators' how-to guide. Good luck! — Dan | talk 01:17, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Well done Ian. Well deserved. Enjoy. Snottygobble | Talk 01:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Congrats Ian. I predict Australia will lose to SA. ;) =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Can I congrat you now? Well done impressive list of support there! Enjoy. vcxlor 06:46, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Congrats from me, too. Are there any Australian non-admins left? Grutness...wha? 07:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Another congrats from me. Btw to Grutness, there so many users from Australia with Wikipedin accounts, probably in the thousands. There are new users from Australia every day. That question to be reworded. I am an Australian and a non-admin, and there are probably many others. DaGizza Chat (c) 08:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
    • heh. I should know better than to make a joke about someone's name... how many thousands of times have you heard that one, i wonder... and to Da Gizza, yeah, I know - but we've had a huge rash of Aussie rfa's lately. Grutness...wha? 08:12, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations Ian! HGB 16:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Lake Monger

I've just uploaded five images of Lake Monger circa 1914 to Commons:Lake Monger, Western Australia. You might like to consider whether any are worth using in the article. Snottygobble | Talk 01:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations on your adminship

You are welcome, congratulations on your mop and bucket.--Dakota ? e 08:17, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, and you're very welcome! --King of All the Franks 10:08, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations (and you're welcome)!. -- DS1953 talk 13:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I didn't vote, but still, congratulations! Enjoy the nice words, they're rare here ;) Sam Vimes 13:15, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Congrats. Hope you accept bribes. Tintin 13:47, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Congrats. I hope that adminship's gain will not turn out to be cricket quiz's loss. ;) --Gurubrahma 16:52, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Congrats and great to see your vote turned out nicely. --a.n.o.n.y.m t 20:17, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Congrats, I am sure that you shall become a fine administrator. --Bhadani 15:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Captaincy Succession Box

Hello. Thanks for dropping by to my talkpage. I understand your method of ordering the captains, but then I believe it is in the order of being "capped" as captain, rather than succession in the strict sense. As in Shane Warne and Adam Gilchrist were captain for a series while Steve Waugh and Ricky Ponting were off injured, hence they are included. But this should imply the ODI succession S.Waugh-Warne-Waugh-Ponting and Test succession Waugh-Ponting-Gilchrist-Ponting, because Warne and Gilchrist interrupted the "reign" of S.Waugh and Ponting so to speak. So should S.Waugh and Ponting have two boxes each to show that they had two "separate" periods of captaincy. Much as say, Michael Schumacher, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna did not have one "continuous" reign as the Formula One world champion? Regards, Blnguyen 01:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I'm trying to solve the same problem for AFL coaches, where people like Bob Rose and Ron Barassi have coached the same club in several different stints. See WP:AFL, Rogerthat 08:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Laurie Connell

D'oh! I was just at Battye today, I don't but I'll try to look it up there in the next day or two. David Davidcohen 08:38, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

malo's RfA

Thank you!
Ianbrown, thanks for your support on my RFA. I was rather suprised at the overwhelming support I received. Thank you for your confidence in me. I hope that I'll live up to your expectations in the future as well. Also, sorry about some of the comments left on your talk page, it seems that a vandal I was warning left a few messages on my talk page, then saw your "rfa thank you" to me, and hence found your rfa page to vandalize. My apologies. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 05:14, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Oh My Goddess episodes

I resonded to your inquery. :) --Cool CatTalk|@ 21:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


Hello Ian,

Thank you very much for your mail. I'm sorry to take a few days to reply, but I wanted some time to think it over.

First, I'm honoured to be asked. However, I don't think I can accept at the moment, simply because I'm already spending more time on Wikipedia than I should. Much as I would welcome the extra tools, I also see adminship as carrying an obligation to help out with the necessary administrative chores. I don't think it would be right to become an admin and then leave the work to others, only using the extra power for my own purposes! I'm not ruling it out for ever, but I don't think I can devote time to being an active administrator at the moment.

Thank you again for asking me. I do appreciate it.

Stephen Turner (Talk) 17:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

... and a happy new year. It's been a pleasure working with you in 2005. Snottygobble | Talk 13:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. --Bhadani 17:26, 25 December 2005 (UTC)


In previous incarnations of my talk page, users had started new topics under third level headings, or simply by ruling a dividing line. This made the TOC ugly and inaccurate, so I decided to suppress it. My current talk page (which I will shortly archive) is much better behaved, and I suppose a TOC would be helpful. I'll probably include a TOC after I archive. Snottygobble | Talk 08:03, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Wagyl (again)

Sean, according to WP:CP#Fair_use_claims_needing_a_second_opinion your derived image is a copyright violation, so I guess that means we'll need to delete it. I can do that if you'd like. As far as the articles are concerned, we could use the photo of the sign instead, which would be OK - it just needs a copyright tag from you, such as {{GFDL}} or {{PD-self}} -- Ian ≡ talk 01:05, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Cheers Ian, it was what I thought would happen. Shame but oh well. I've added PD-self to the sign photo. I see your an admin - so yeah delete away. I've changed all the pages that linked to the original, to now link to the sign photo. Regards SeanMack 02:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article dead-rubber, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Yagan again

I think Yagan is almost ready for peer review now. There are still a few red-links, most of which could be knocked on the head pretty easily. My main concern is the article has gotten pretty long; the length might count against it at FAC, but splitting the article might result in two article neither of which are interesting enough to bring to FAC. Do you think it should be split? The other loose end is the alleged site of Yagan's postcranial remains; I know exactly where it is now. A map and/or a photo would be nice. I don't suppose you and your digital camera are ever in the Upper Swan area? Snottygobble | Talk 12:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, I have asked nixie for comments on the article, since she is active on WP:FAC. Snottygobble | Talk 13:06, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Great! I can't give an address, but I can do better: I'll email three PDFs showing maps of three overlapping Aboriginal heritage sites:
  1. Site 17838, an historical site entitled "Yagan skirmish";
  2. Site 3932, a "skeletal material / burial" site entitled "Yagan";
  3. Site 17840, a "scarred tree" site within Site 3932.
I believe that the scarred tree is associated with Yagan, but I can't remember why I think so; possibly I am wrong. I think it would be too much to ask for the scarred tree to be the tree that Yagan's head was smoked in. The Department of Indigenous Affairs website has an online Aboriginal Heritage Inquiry System, which will let you zoom in to slightly more detail than these PDFs, but it doesn't give any further information about the sites. The only way to get further information on the sites is to make an appointment with the Department of Indigenous Affairs' Heritage Liaison Officer to view the Site Files and Survey Reports. I am not quite obsessive enough to take that step.
I don't really know what to expect from the site. I suppose it might be fenced off. Or possibly you'll find that it is just another boring piece of sandplain.
Re FAC, I'm in favour of the long-winded route: informal peer review via the notice board; formal peer review, then FAC.
Snottygobble | Talk 06:18, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for the talk page spam; I don't have your email address with me and the Wikipedia system doesn't support attachments. Drop me an email some time and I'll send you the PDFs. Snottygobble | Talk 06:20, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your RFA support

Hi Moondyne/Archive 2! I have been on a refreshing wikibreak for the last week, so this is a belated thank-you for supporting my adminship nomination. Of course, also a big congratulations on your recent success and I wish you a happy new year (if that's your kind of thing)! jnothman talk 18:12, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Wish you a Happy New Year '06 =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:38, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Image tagging issues

Ian, we're having a problem with some of the Australian crown copyright-fair dealing-fair use images getting accidentally deleted because the image bots are tagging for deletion any image without a copyright tag. Though the images already have the appropriate information, it's not in a template, so they're getting caught in with the chaff.

I noticed that you were the one who created the PD-Australia template, and because I have no clue how to create such a nicely formatted one, I was wondering if you'd be able to do the same for these images. If you're able to, the necessary information is at the bottom of Adam Carr's user page. Thanks in advance, Ambi 08:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

We're not talking about expired crown copyright - that's clearly covered by the existing template. The text for the template we need is on Adam's user page; we just need it put into template form. :) Ambi 14:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Thanks for your help. :) Ambi 15:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I have no idea about that one. I'm afraid you'll have to ask Adam, or someone more familiar with Crown Copyright. I'm just being the messenger tonight. Ambi 15:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


Ian, thanks for creating those templates. We probably also need one for this:

This image shows a photograph taken in Australia before 1955. Under Australian law, all photographs taken in Australia before 1955 are in the public domain. This image is in the public domain under both [[Australian copyright law]] and [[US copyright law]]. {{PD}}

However, I doubt the NLA and Handbook ones are going to pass muster with the copyright nazis. Apparently copyright holders do not have the right to authorise the use of their own images at Wikipedia, or something like that. Since I don't have a PhD in copyright law, this whole business is beyond my understanding so I will just give up on it I think. Adam 07:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Deleted edits

The count of my deleted edits jumped from 110 to 113 yesterday. Is there any way to know what they were ? Tintin Talk 20:15, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


Hello. I'm the guy who asked about cricket captaincy succession boxes. I also saw you name swimming and olympics as one of your interests on the Wiki Project:Australian Sport. What specific things were you thinking of doing? I have been putting in a few bios recently of Olympic medalwinning Australian swimmers (listed on my userpage). Are you by any chance the Ian Brown who swum in the 200m and 400m freestyle in Barcelona 92 for Australia? cheers.Blnguyen 07:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC).

Re: Belhus

Sensational! I hope the lunch was worth it. Snottygobble | Talk 11:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I've addressed the last of nixie's comments, and asked cj if he would copyedit the article for us. As far as I'm concerned, we're just waiting on the copyedit and your photos and we're ready to take the next step. I asked nixie whether there would be value in going through WP:PR, and she said go straight to WP:FAC. Snottygobble | Talk 02:01, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
    • The map looks great. I agree; the skirmish area map might have added something but the map takes it place. How about one of us move the mudmap and Image:Yagan-skirmish area.jpg to Commons so that we can link to them from Commons:Yagan? No idea where Moore's homestead was, sorry. Drew (Snottygobble | Talk) 04:50, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Yagan

Well done, we're at WP:FAC! As nominator it probably wouldn't be good form for me to vote, but don't let that stop you ;-) Drew (Snottygobble | Talk) 11:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Perth Userbox

Hi there! I originally made the WikiProject Perth Userbox but it was not set to a template. User:M Johnson has created a new WikiProject Perth Userbox and it is templated. I just thought you might want to know about it.--Ali K 14:32, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikiprojectperth.gif This user is a member of WikiProject Perth.


I've been doing some work on bowling and it's related articles including bowling ball bowling pin ten-pin bowling etc. I decided that a template would be a good idea and template:bowling was the logical choice. As you are aware it is currently a template that you created. As a courtesy I'm informing you of my intention to move the template you created to template:Bowling Techniques which seems more appropriate anyway as that's the title of the template. This of course will require changing each of the pages that currently links to template:bowling. If you have a problem with this please let me know. If you're bored feel free to beat me to it. Vicarious 18:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

  • It's now been moved, I think I fixed all the links to it but feel free to check up on me. Vicarious 23:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


I noticed you italicised the quotations and removed the blockquotes. WP:MOS#Quotations says (and I'll break the rule here ;-)) Use quotation marks or indentations to distinguish quotations from other text. There is normally no need to put quotations in italics unless the material would otherwise call for italics (emphasis, use of non-English words, etc.). -- Iantalk 10:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, I guess I can't argue with the MOS, but I still prefer wiki indents over blockquotes. Feel free to undo my italics if you want. - Mgm|(talk) 10:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Belhus map

Yes, okay, I'll do it tomorrow. Drew (Snottygobble | Talk) 12:12, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

John Inverarity

As the creator of this article, you might be interested to read the content of some recent edits that I have twice reverted today:

"Inverarity was doubtless among the most accomplished and professional educators of the world, concluding his distinguished career as Headmaster at Perth's Hale School..., perhaps Australia's Eton.... No school in Australia, perhaps in the world, accomplished so much as Hale School under the outstanding leadership of Inverarity.... Inverarity assembled under him a team of talented staff, including Mike Shearer, who left the School to become the CEO of Trinity College, and David Bean, a glittering academic, a distinguished oarsman and Western Australian Rhodes Scholar. That Inverarity attracted men of such prominence, humanity and intellectual capacity indicates his tremendous stature as one of Australia's most accomplished, respected and visionary headmasters; a sportsman, a scholar, a gentleman, a veritable Dr Arnold."

Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 02:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

And to you. By the way, I ran into yet another Perth-based Ian Brown at Western Australian Sports Star of the Year today. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 03:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


Hi Ian, I understand that it would be a glorious morning now in Australia just as it is well past midnight here in India. However, on Wikipedia, it is still the 14th, as it follows UTC. Please re-list your DYK suggestion under 14th as the updating admins (including me!) are prone to delay it by mistaken assumption and then find that it no longer qualifies, having crossd 5 days. --Gurubrahma 20:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Removing an account

Hi, I've had an email from Adrian Appleyard, administrator of BigFooty. He is telling me someone has created the account User:Adrian Appleyard pretending to be him. How would we get this user to change his username to something other than Adrian Appleyard, or perhaps giving the real Adrian a right to use his username? Rogerthat 05:09, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Francis Birtles, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 18:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Francis Birtles

Can you explain the driving-to-Australia-from-England thing? Seriously, I can't believe it. :) pfctdayelise 03:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Brett Lee chucking

Hello Ian. I noted that in your opening entry to the List of international cricketers called for throwing, that you listed Brett Lee as having been no-balled for chucking in 2000. To the best of my knowledge, and the articles linked to his cricinfo profile. He was reported in 2000 on the NZ tour, and was cleared, apparently without having to go to the UWA labs.Blnguyen 03:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Yagan promoted

Congratulations, Ian, Yagan is now a featured article. Well done, and thanks for all the work you put in. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 00:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm going to stick with convictism for a while longer; I don't think there's much room for a featured article there. I never know where I'll end up going next, but James Stirling is on my mind, and could potentially be a good topic for an FA. Also John Forrest. In areas more aligned with your interests, I've always thought Warney was a prime candidate for a featured article. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 05:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I imagine your suggestion would get plenty of support from Hossen27 and probably Gobeirne too. I would be happy to chip in from time to time if you go ahead with it, but I'm not ready for a big effort yet. Still somewhat jaded from the final big effort on Yagan. And since the current Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight is my nomination I feel obliged to spend some energy there. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 05:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Rotto List

You asked the question, I just saw the potential chaos created by daniel putting an un aplha'ed cottage list in the main art - and I had always wanted to do a list like a gazetteer of the geo features -

- once you have both lists filled along with annotation, the list will be rather larger, but, if you want em back in the main art, well this is wiki...  :)

- well done with yagan by the way! As I have said to drew off-wiki, you guys do arts that have a standard that is well beyond the norm for da ole golfishbowl! SatuSuro 21:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


Thanks. Perhaps it is obvious and I'm just living in the land of Wikipedia-induced ultra-skepticism. :) It's a very cool article, BTW. pfctdayelise 22:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Work to do

In between sending my own messages to Drew, I noticed suggestions on your next collab - I reckon you guys would be good on York or Northam, for what I have seen the arts are but pin pricks on what could be done.

As for me - I am thinking of dropping my current interest in cleaning up my tassie stuff for Swan Coastal Plain and Darling Scarp work - they are both very small and unsubstantial compared to what they could be as well.

Anyways, so much for the goldfishbowl - scuse the intrusion. SatuSuro 12:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Toodyay, Northam, York

In their current state the articles have nothing in them - when you get into the , environmental,19th century loci of power (look at drews contribs, and he's well fired up on some of the info well integrated into understanding some of the stuff of the rural families), and the rural ok ness, and the current rural not ok mess, and olives, and the excuse for weekend drives for viewing the remnants, and you've got it made  :) SatuSuro 13:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Any time, just tell me to shut up anytime specially if its yours or drews business and not mine!, and while the swan coastal plain and rotto lists are still only par

tial, please help defend me against any Afd's!!! SatuSuro 13:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

But if that's too far away, the whole complex of sites at Arthur Head need separate articles that reach far beyond the current freo article. Easier to meet up at the shed coffee places!  :) SatuSuro 14:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the hoy! This will take me a long time, but it will help the Wikiproject Perth so i will do it. Thanks once again.--Ali K 07:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Alan Carpenter

G'day Ian,

the "nonsense" referred to your edit summary — "typo"? When I wrote the article, I simply spelt it the way I always do: rôle. I've been told that most users would expect "color" instead of "colour", too ... fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 07:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Getty Images

With uploading photos, is it OK to get them from Getty Images as long as I include the copyright holder and it is scaled down to 200px? Rogerthat Talk 12:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I am the member who has been uploading the photos, from Getty, yet I have contributed to those photos myself b editing them (not only size)...Lonie From 50 02:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC), Also, the same photo's can be found on Newspaper sites, including google image search, what does that stand at?

Bradman image

Ian, I saw you'd retagged Image:Bradman out for a duck.jpg with {{PD-Australia}}, but I can't see how that can be justified because the photo was taken in England not Australia. Can we discuss it on Image talk:Bradman out for a duck.jpg? Thanks, Stephen Turner (Talk) 17:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Photo's Issue

Thanks Ian for clearing up the setails for me. I am sorry for the problems I caused you, cheers Lonie From 50 07:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Place names

It was agreed yonks ago on the AWNB that all Australian towns and cities would be given a pre-disambiguated title with the form Town, State. I'm not aware of any Australian policy regarding other geographic entities like rivers and lakes, but maybe there is one. Globally, the policy is not to disambiguate unless necessary, and to disambiguate with parenthesis, but it is widely accepted that individual regions are allowed to come up with their own policy. Every now and then someone from elsewhere makes a move, but it always gets reverted, e.g. someone once moved Avon River, Western Australia to Avon River (Western Australia), but nixie moved it back again. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 06:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Dame Mary Durack

Just saw your article - I linked to it from an art I created - Robin Miller, if you had the energy to give it the once over I'd appreciate it. Cheers SeanMack 13:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi again Ian - sorry for being slow getting back - bit hectic in RL this week... Anyways to business - I didn't come across any information where Robin Miller and Mr Dicks had any children - she died only a short while after they married as far as I could find out. To be honest it's probably a library job that one - I got fascinated by her after seeing a memorial to her in Jandakot Airport, and thought she deserved an article but there were only a handful of sites out there with any relevant info (in fact a few contradicted dates so I hope I chose the right ones...). However as I said, doesn't seem like there is a link from the sailor to Robin - but maybe somewhere else in Mr Dicks' family?? Unfortunately getting to a library would be too much of a mission for me with work etc... Kind regards. SeanMack 14:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Ian what do you reckon about a family tree/list of the duracks? I distinctly remember meeting one of the younger duracks at uwa in the late 1970's, but stumped as to which part of the family she was?

Also, my guess is there's heaps on the family in battye library, but wont be back there regularly for a couple of monthsSatuSuro 15:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

It would be worth it, I reckon, considering the older deceased generation are important in the formation of ideas about the Kimberley and the outback and all that stuff... any near relative a keen geneologist? nudge nudge? Wow, the nearest I get to any fame like that is that my fathers collection had over 10 objects known to have been John Forrest's were in our house for 40 years... no blood or marriage connections to fame otherwise! SatuSuro 14:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

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You've signed your name up to It's Time twice. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 08:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Honorifics

You're too kind. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 01:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I got a {{test1}} over that reversion! It's about time someone thanked me for experimenting with Wikipedia. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 01:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


It is now Wikpedia policy to remove all prenominal styles and titles from biographical articles. Adam 05:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Confused

No idea. Frankly, the issue doesn't hold much interest to me. I just wish we could all hurry up and find a sensible consensus so that we can get on with more important things. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 09:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion_review#List of interesting_or_unusual place_names

Hi. You might be interested in a/m undeletion. -- User:Docu

The page was relisted on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of interesting or unusual place names (2nd nomination). -- User:Docu

Sydney Riot

Good - glad you agree the semi-protection should be taken off. Just for a moment I was starting to think whether that rule applied only to full protection! Nice article, by the way (I see you've had a hand in it). It's interesting, as I didn't think sports riots happened in those days. --A bit iffy 05:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Government House, Perth

Hi Ian - Great work on the Government House article! - Gobeirne 18:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


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Yes, GCL refers to the Order of Logohu which is part of the Papua New Guinea honours system. There is a link about it on the section "Honours" Dowew 01:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Yagan is on the Main Page

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Yagan on the main page

Just thought you might like to know. Snottygobble 00:52, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Yep. Had it pretty easy so far though. I dare say it will get worse. Snottygobble 01:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Wow, 222 edits in 24 hours. David Shepherd would be proud. Snottygobble 01:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:WP Cricket ODI bios

You wrote something my talk page and over it and it was only partly true. You look at the full list and you will see their are no articles on Rodney McCurdy and Graham Porter. If you want me to check the validiaty of these place talk to me on my talk page.

OK, thanks for the update!

My RfA

List of Australians in international prisons

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Oldest cricket bat

Thank you very much indeed. I feel very flattered. Johnlp 09:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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Forgive me looking over your shoulder while you're trying to work, but I have your sandbox on my watchlist. If you're interested I can email you / upload a scan of Bert Hawke's page in Reid and Oliver (1982), The Premiers of Western Australia 1890–1982. Snottygobble 03:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Monday. Snottygobble 04:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Welcome. If you decide to move on to other premiers, I'll be happy to send other pages. Snottygobble 01:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Nice. Snottygobble 12:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
        • According to this LISWA catalogue entry, the photo of Hawke was probably taken in 1859, which would mean it isn't in the public domain. Any reason to believe it was pre-1856? Of course, even if it is under copyright, we can still use it under fair use provisions, provided there is no public domain alternative. Snottygobble 13:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


You voted for Rum Rebellion. It has been selected as the new Australian Collaboration. Please help to improve the article. Thanks. Scott Davis Talk 12:29, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Heidi Choat

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Ian peters

Hi, responding to your comment on my talk page. I've taken an interest in writing Wikipedia articles and thought I'd start mostly on a topic I know reasonably well through my work, and that I'd like to give more attention to - history of and other facts about highways in WA. Will probably be leaving Perth/WA soon so may not contribute for long, but who knows! --Ian peters 15:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

canning stock route

Hi Ian, I thought it might be better to map over a nasa satellite map for the canning stock route, so I made Image:Canning stock route.PNG, maybe both maps could be used for Alfred Canning? -- Astrokey44|talk 02:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Adminship again


Thank you for asking me again. I do appreciate being asked, but I'm afraid my view hasn't changed since last time. I just can't afford to spend any more time on Wikipedia at the moment. Sorry!

Stephen Turner (Talk) 12:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

daGizza's RfA

Hello Ian. I know it's generally regarded as inappropriate to advertise RfA's, but DaGizza is up, and as a person who has given him an award previously, I think that you may be interested. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/DaGizza. Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:07, 27 March 2006 (UTC).

I have done the needful

The inactive list thing was a bad idea. Only after adding Jguk to the Inactive list did I realise the extent of his contributions. He is, as you say, the father of the Wikiproject cricket & deserves the no. 1 spot. But why did he leave Wikipedia? Anyway I have reverted the edits I made to the participants list. Sorry for the bad idea


Flag of India.svgSrikeit(talk ¦ ) 16:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Links to portals

Hello Ian. There are "for more coverage of cricket, see the Cricket portal" messages on some cricket pages. Is there any criteria for which pages include this? Do they apply generally? I'm just wondering, because I am in the process of creating two portals myself, Portal:Swimming and Portal:Eurovision Song Contest, and I don't want to inapporpriately linkspam some "advertisements" to them. Also, I am trying to get Swimming World Swimmers of the Year, which includes many notable Australian swimmers to Featured List status at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Swimming World Swimmers of the Year, and seeing as it is similar to the Wisden list, I am wondering if you could give me some help and feedback. Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'll try and put more information into the list. About the "showcase articles", what form of quality control were they subjected to? Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
It provides incentive to clean up the big POV on the Indian and Pakistani showcase articles then.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

DaGizza's RfA


Hi Moondyne/Archive 2, thank you for supporting me in my RfA which passed with a tally of (93/1/2). If you need any help or wish discuss something with me, you are always welcome to talk to me. GizzaChat © 12:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

List of Test cricket records

Hi Ian, thanks for your note. I've replied to the worries at Talk:List of Test cricket records. Cheers! Mikker (...) 19:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Swimming World Swimmers of the Year

Hello Ian, and thankyou for the Support vote. I have implemented the flags and bypassed the redirects for the European swimmers (put accent marks into their names) and did some disambiguation, and tried to add some information about the oldest and youngest awardees. Could you give me a hand with splitting some of cells into two where there are joint awardees please? I am a bit puzzled by it still. Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 07:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I've figured it out - I was going to have to joint winners on separate lines so that some cells were bigger than the others. Also, seeing as you nearly missed DaGizza's RfA, I've noticed a useful tool which keeps track of the RfA "scoreboard", which means that you don't have to navigate through the massive RfA page. I added it to a page of my choice by linking to {{User:Dragons flight/RFA summary}} so that I don't have to go to RfA to be informed of the new nominations everyday. Hope it makes things more convenient.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 01:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Moondyne/Archive 2/talkheader


Why is it bad form to retract a question? Is it also bad form to notice that a question has been retracted, and to insist on responding to it anyhow? My answer is here. Snottygobble 06:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind me having a crack at that ... -- Iantalk 13:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely not. And if I did, that would be my problem, not yours. There's no ownership of articles here, especially ones that don't exist yet. Snottygobble 11:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


Nothing biographical, I'm afraid (and my library is certainly not vast). His name gets the odd mention in a few books, half the time with respect to his work with the Dominion League; half the time with respect to his later work in the Legislative Council.

All I can tell you is he was born in WA to Victorian parents who emigrated to Southern Cross during the 1890s goldrush; he was involved in the Dominion League, and was selected to be part of the group to take the secession petition to the UK; he was later a member of the Legislative Council during which he distinguished himself in opposing controls: rent controls, price controls, etc. ; and later still he became a member of the Sunday Times board of directors.

Here's a good quote from A Fine Country To Starve In:

"... but the driving force behind the movement was a thirty-year-old accountant, H. K. Watson, who first served the Dominion League as treaturer, but soon became secretary, and during Chandler's frequent absences from the League's meetings, chairman. Watson's office became the effective headquarters for the League. Pamphlets, articles and interminable letters to the editor poured from his office in unflagging profusion. As a one-man propaganda effort it has seldom been bettered in Perth history."

Snottygobble 11:42, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to look in the second-most obvious place: The Western Australian Parliamentary Handbook:
Elected as a Member of the Legislative Council for the Metropolitan Province, 8 May 1948, in succession to Hon. L. B. Bolton, deceased.
Appointed as a member of the Secession Delegation to the Imperial Parliament, together with Sir Hal Colebatch, and Messrs. M. L. Moss, K.C., and J. M. Smith, M.L.A., 1934.
Province abolished on reconstitution of the Legislative Council.
Appointed from previous Province by Order-in-Council under the Constitution Acts Amendment Act, 1899–1963, section 8B, as a Member for the Metropolitan Province, 1965.
Created Knight Bachelor, 1968.
Retired May 1968.
Succeeded by Hom. Ian George Medcalf, May 1968.
Died 13 January 1973.
For a while now I've been planning on buying Volume 2 of the Biographical Register of Members of Parliament of Western Australia. If you want to leave this with me, I'll pick up a copy next time I'm in the city, and either send you the entry or write the article myself, whatever you'd prefer. Snottygobble 23:45, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Watchlist king

The last day or so I've felt a little as though I am following you around. I assure you it isn't intentional. My apologies if you're finding it a bit spooky.

I'm reading through The Drummonds of Hawthornden at the moment, as James Drummond (Australian politician) is next on the list. So in the case of James Drummond it is you stalking me not the other way around. ;-)

Snottygobble 04:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Peter Broun's wife

I had a fresh look at Bryan and Bray (1935), and it says:

Four years before his selection as our first Colonial Secretary, Peter Broun had married Caroline, daughter of James Simpson.

This is vague enough that we should definitely go with your year rather than mine. I'll make the change. Snottygobble 11:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore I've just had the mindboggling revelation that 1829 - 4 = 1825, so my information suggests 1825 too. I'm don't know why I said 1824 originally; I guess it was a typo or an arithmetic error. Snottygobble 23:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


Have you ever seen this? -- Iantalk 06:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes. In fact I like to take some of the credit for it. Shortly after the AU-US free trade agreement kicked in the new copyright laws, I contacted Col Choat and suggested that as Battye had died in 1954, his work was in the public domain and it would be great to get some of it put on He initially disputed that works by authors who died in 1954 were in the public domain, but I managed to convince him they were by pointing him to certain documents on the Copyright Australia website. He was very happy because he had already keyboarded a number of Miles Franklin works and had thought he wouldn't be allowed to put them up for another twenty years. Shortly afterwards Battye's History of WA up. Snottygobble 06:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Houtman Abrolhos

I don't know nothing about Jorge de Menezes. The "Dauphin Map" of 1836 is purportedly a Portuguese map of northern Australia. It is said to have been made from at least three earlier maps, with the part showing the north west coast said to come from maps made by Gomes de Sequeira in 1525, "and the part from King Sound to Shark Bay by others who followed him a few years later". But the Dauphin map only goes down as far as Shark Bay, so does not show the Abrolhos. Snottygobble 11:53, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


The name Moondyne is ok, but you erred in creating a new account. We can only move a user account to a blank username. There is a workaround however: login as user:Moondyne, and place a request on Wikipedia:Changing username to change Moondyne to an available account username. Renaming deletes the old username, so Moondyne will be free once again. Next, login as User:Ianbrown and place a request to transfer Ianbrown to Moondyne. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

First post

Wished I hadn't. That was funny for about one second, then I decided it was disrespectful. My apologies.

I had a look at the requests page for reasons not related to you or Ambi, and got a double-whammy surprise at seeing pending requests for both of you.

Snottygobble 00:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

reference linking

I ripped the examples from the meta page you provided me with and it's all messy now. I've tried to fix it a few times with no success. I'm still trying. I'm not quite sure how to ammend this. -ZeroTalk 17:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject NBL


I am wondering if you would like to join WikiProject NBL. I believe that this is something that you might be able to help me with, by creating user boxes and player boxes for it or even adding articles about Players