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Did you see this?[edit]

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reNATA - do you really support NATO having such image?[edit]

In your archive there were some characteristic messages with political context. Do u really support NATO ReNATA having such the image?

Huh??? Renata 17:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

A very itty-bitty non-spam-ified thank you for supporting my RfA. --Fang Aili 說嗎? 19:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

List of NCAA Philippines basketball champions[edit]

Please take a look at the article and see if anything can be done for you to change your vote. Circa 1900 05:39, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot on your tips at WP:FLC! Circa 1900 03:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Community portal bug[edit]

Howdy. Just wondering what browser the bug was seen in, And, could you check if it's the same or fixed at Wikipedia:Community Portal/Redesign/Draft2a (I just removed 2 <center> tags, which i think might clear it up, without reducing the table width.) Thanks :) --Quiddity 20:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I fixed it on the draft. The deal is with width being 100%. I changed it to 92 and it's fine. I am using IE 6.0 (btw, nice work on design). Renata 20:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Does it work at 99% too? that would help with less line-wrap in the content, on smaller screens. (reply wherever, i watchlist :) And thanks :) --Quiddity 20:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Nope, 99 does not work. 94 works barely and 93 is good :) Renata 21:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Freedom wars[edit]

I replied at Talk:Freedom wars of Lithuania. //Halibutt 10:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

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Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp[edit]

Thanks for your help. I moved your comments to Wikipedia:Peer review/Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp/archive1 and replied there, hope you don't mind. //Halibutt 17:28, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Now that is what I call feedback :) Thanks a lot, I'll try to correct as much as I can. You're my hero, really. //Halibutt 23:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
No need to take my comment back as it's still 100% valid. The little marks I put there need a little explanation. I simply decided to adopt your list as part of my to-do list. The ticked questions I consider solved. Those marked with a red cross are:
  1. Either in need of further explanation
  2. in need of clarification
  3. Postponed until later stages of the development (as in the case of pic formatting)
  4. or simply things I consider bad ideas (hardly any of them)
It's not that I generally don't agree with what you wrote, it's the other way around :). Anyway, apparently I'll have to dig up my plan to rework the whole history section. I tried to follow the chronological order, but apparently it makes you confused. What do you think a best option would be? Splitting the section in two? //Halibutt 01:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Labas. I have a 30,000 sign long article to be written by tomorrow morning. Yet I spent 3 hours on fixing the Mauthausen-Gusen article... Time for Wikivacations, definitely. Else my wikiholism is going to kill me :/ Anyway, I hope I fixed most of the issues you had with the historical section. In most cases I tried to simply reorder the chunks of text and combine them in several sub-sections. Hope that solves most of the problems. //Halibutt 16:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I noticed your changes. Some things I noticed (not really mistakes though):
  1. It wasn't exactly converted into a labour camp on May 8, 1939. In fact the first prisoners to be held there prior to that day were also forced to work on the construction. However, the conditions prior to the arrival of the first transports of prisoners from the outside (and not from Dachau) changed as the principle of the work changed. This is but a detail though.
  2. east of the city of Linz sounds better to me than east of Linz city. I'm not a native speaker though.
  3. Nazi Germany... I generally dislike the term. Generally, I noticed that German post-war propaganda of success achieved its goals in that whatever wrong was committed in WWII, it's attributed to Nazi Germany (as if it was the name of the state), while positive phenomena are kept related to "Germany" and almost never to Nazi Germany. But of course that's how it is and I'm not going to revert your change.
  4. If I were you I would add the {{seealso|Vernichtung durch Arbeit}} link back. That section is just a local description of a wider phenomenon and remains closely-tied to it. However, I guess it's just a matter of style: I like such generalizing links above sections, others don't.
  5. as to mobile gas chambers... a funny thing: I don't remember what was my original version of that sentence, but it was changed by one of the guys to copyedit the article. And now you changed that even further and I get an impression that you in fact reverted the sentence to its original version by yours truly. Quite comforting I must say :)
Anyway, let me know if the section seems fine now so that I could safely proceed to other issues you listed. BTW, I've got 6 hours to go and still some 20,000 signs to write. Ouch, it's going to hurt... //Halibutt 04:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, happy student days are suspended for me. These are happy journalist days and unhappy journalist nights :) Anyway, good night. //Halibutt
Sure the article has too many definite articles, after all it's been written primarily by a Pole. And we don't have any articles in Polish language. For most of us the matter is as complicated as grammatical gender is to Britons. What's more, in Spanish the articles are inserted much more often than in English, which is another problem for me as I speak both languages. Anyway, after some 26 hours in front of my laptop I'm finally done (more or less) with my work and could focus on fixing the other mistakes on our to-do list. Let's see... //Halibutt 17:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Basically... I don't. Another answer would be at times. //Halibutt 18:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello there, there's another chunk of questions for you there. //Halibutt 10:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Phew, at last I had some time to revise most of the issues you raised there. Some were left out for the final touch (stacking pictures, for instance), others are still unsolved because in most cases I simply had no idea how to reword some statements. Finally, there's still the problem of the stairs of death in the header, which I'm not sure we should remove. Could you take a look at the list? I believe we could nominate the article for FA any minute now, but there's still a lot we could improve... //Halibutt 17:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
The project I was working on took some week more to finish, but I should be ready to implement the final changes now. Could you possibly take a look at the list of issues and help me solve the riddles? //Halibutt 13:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Apparently it's good the two of us are not married to each other, we would barely ever meet at home ;) I'm busy when you have time and the other way around. Anyway, I'll try to take a look at the list again and perhaps ask Piotrus to help me reword some parts there. //Halibutt 13:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Sadly, much of my sense of humour is lost in translation :) . Anyway, thanks again for your hard work, I really appreciate that. I think that I already addressed most of the issues at our to-do list. Hopefully the article is now readable by some non-informed reader. I also sent an e-mail to the Mauthausen Memorial to ask their advice on some questions that still need to be solved.
As to your latest comment at my talk page, you wrote that the last section needs topical reorganization (by camps, much like the first part). My problem is that I'm not sure what section you mean. Is it the "Inmates"? If so, then I'm not sure such a reorganization is really needed, as in all camps the treatment of the prisoners, the labour they did and the internal system were almost identical. What differed were the companies that used them and the facilities available locally, but this is already explained in the first part. Or perhaps I got you wrong? //Halibutt 13:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


Hello Renata, thank you for your translation of this article, something, I had waited for quite a while. I used it for a German translation. Thanks, best regards. --Gf1961 08:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your hint re: the quality loss by cascading translations (In Germany it's a childrens game by the way, letting a group mutilate a sentence, transporting it via whispering in each next one's ear :->). I am aware of the problem and pointed it out on the German discussion page for the article. In my opinion, even bad articles invite people to participate and make it better, hopefully native speakers as well. Greetings, --Gf1961 16:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


Hey, just wanted to let you know that WP:PROD still works! A backup system is in place to handle the organization of when the PROD tags were added. Cheers! --lightdarkness (talk) 03:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for your work when I was impersonated, and taking appropriate action. The JPS 15:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note[edit]

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...for the markup tweak. You rock. --Kickstart70-T-C 04:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

WW2 images are out of copyright clearly. They were created 65 years ago. The third image I found online by google search. In addition to that, I see you are Lithuanian, thus please see the Armia Krajowa article. The section on relations with Lithuanians is presently unsourced, as well is getting some doubtful editing from time to time. Sources however are presented in talk page by Lysy, Halibutt and others, but for some reasons not added to the article - add them. I know something about the subject but too little and I am far from both Poland and Lithuania. D'Italia 17:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, source is here: . Scroll down.

Lithuania bounty[edit]

I've added $5 to your Lithuania bounty offer, in the hopes of helping that systemic bias thing. I wasn't sure about the best way to edit Wikipedia:Reward board to add my offer; please feel free to rephrase the bounty offer as you prefer. -- Creidieki 19:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

On this topic, would you consider music of Lithuania acceptable? Part of it does/should cover pop culture, so I thought I'd ask first. Tuf-Kat 22:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Graves Brothers[edit]

Thanks for the heads up on the Graves Brothers stub. I checked it out and it was bar-non the worst article i have seen at Wikipedia (no offense intended, it just was b-a-d). "Uaroy" Greaves is actually "Aaron" Graves (i was shocked to see that dumb old error perpetuated here) and using Rolling Stone as a lead-in to describe these folks, as if they only had creds when patronized by rock reviewers, is just barrel-scraping, in my opinion, in lieu of real research. Well, i shuffled it up a little, but really, it needs to be rewritten from scratch. Ugh. Ghastly. Catherineyronwode 04:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. Two things: (1) Graves Brothers is a fine title, and no others need be made, but the poor little stub does need a total of 6 re-directs -- from Roosevelt Graves, from Blind Roosevelt Graves, from Blind Roosevelt Graves and Brother, from Uaroy Graves, from Aaron Graves, and from Mississippi Jook Band. (2) As for written soruces for the other musicians on my list -- "early Down Home Blues" by Jeff Titon and "Songsters and Saints" by Paul Oliver come to mind as sources; most any book by Paul Oliver is good, but some of his others refer more to the music than to the personages. By the way, i greatly admire your Lithuanian work -- you are truly dedicated. I just spent the morning writing in an obscure "occult grimoires of 18th century France that pretend to be Jewish but are actually Christian corner of the Wikipedia, and i must get to work at my real job, so ta-ta for now. In friendship, Catherineyronwode 20:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Requestion your Suggestions re Featured Lists[edit]

I notice you often comment on Featured List requests - I think that List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints meets the criteria; however, since I am new to that process I am asking for any advice/suggestions to identify any deficiencies prior to nomination. thx in adv. Trödel 02:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thx for the suggestions - will get to work on it over the next few weeks. FYI - it is a comprensive list the increase in 1999-2000 was the result of a change to the design that allowed much smaller temples to be built (and thus made them less expensive). Trödel 12:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


wikipedija reikalauja, kad informacija butu patikrinama (verifiable), nemanau kad visiems trivialiems dalykams reikia duot nuorodas i kitus saltinius. Sigitas 13:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Donatas Vencevičius[edit]

Thanks very much for the swift edit. Runcorn 18:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

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Argh! Yes, I'm having some issues tagging photos lately, and I don't know what the proper tags are. I have [two that I've uploaded] but I don't know what category they fall under. The first one, [StudioB], is a recently taken photo from, and they have no problems with it being attached to the article Trojan Vision. The second is the berkeley photo you edited that's on the USC School of Cinema-Television page, and it's from the University of Southern California Cinema Library -- It was taken over 50 years ago, perhaps by someone who is no longer alive, and I don't believe the school owns its copyright, just the physical image. If you could help me label these so they don't get deleted, I'd really appreciate it! --UnderPressure, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Cam Gordon.jpg[edit]

Ha! Thanks for bringing it to my attention... I uploaded it a while back and was very mistaken about the liscence (in more ways than one.) I marked it for speedy deletion. Grandmasterka 07:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

RE: Image:Boiceville_station.jpg & Image:Brodheads_bridge.jpg[edit]

I have changed the copyright status of these images from {{PD-ineligible}} to {{PD-old-50}}, and I am sorry I didn't do tht earlier. I must have forgotten to. Kschwerdt514 3:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Re Image:BattleOfBrownstown.jpg[edit]

If you actually *look* at the image, you will see that it is NOT a photograph, but a diagram. I've found a tag that seems a little more appropriate, but it's NOT given as an option on the image upload page, and consequently, I don't know that the new image is acceptable. I earned my livelihood from IP, and I am very aware of IP rights. This isn't a matter of rights, but an issue of Wikipedia protocol; still, I'd like to conform there, too. ClairSamoht 12:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Lupo's RFC[edit]

I agree with you: this is an extremely complicated legal matter. However, in Anglo-Saxon law as well as in a lot of others, a complicated matter is resolved by two possible ways: 1) Either there exists a clearly defined law or policy forbidding (or authorizing) something. 2) Either there exists a court case proving or disproving it. Lupo was unable to provide us with none of those. So he has no power whatsoever to do what he did. -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 17:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

From here:
"These are cases where I would generally not delete the entry unless the alleged copyright holder complains. Given Wikipedia's potential liability, after a complaint, immediate action may be necessary, although later correction is possible. But it is not Wikipedians' job to excessively "police" content for copyright infringements, especially when such may not even exist.
And what Lupo did was just the opposite. -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 17:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

copying Kuban Kazak's answer from my own talk page -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF)

Renata, if you go on any Russian website you will find that all works published even after 1973 are displayed and not in a thousand years will anybody try to persecute anyone. Moreover the way Soviet mentality was that everything is common. So published works in the Soviet Union could have been used for any purpose. That is the way it is now in Russia. --Kuban Cossack Romanov Flag.svg 17:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
In the US there is a clause The defendent is assumed innocent until proven guilty in that case until wiki is actually accused by an external, ie, Russian author (which is less likely to happen than the moon falling from the sky). It is wrong to just have some vigilante make rules on images that he does not even use himself--Kuban Cossack Romanov Flag.svg 17:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


Passport photos are not copyrightable. I'm not around much, but I wrote a great deal of the Wikipedia:Copyrights information, and I'm familiar with international copyright. If you doubt that passport photos are ineligible for copyright, ask one of the experts like User:Lupo, or list in on WP:PUI. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 19:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Casp6 T281 small.gif[edit]

I had permission to use any and all images from Rosetta's team, see comment from Head Scientist "Please use any and all images you want. thanks!"

Speedy deletion[edit]

Regarding the article Image:HOUSE OF CARDS DISC2-30(2).jpg, which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "This image is a redundant (all pixels the same or scaled down) copy of Image:HOUSE OF CARDS DISC2-30(2).jpg, which is on Wikipedia (not Commons), and all inward links have been updated", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because the image is not scaled down or duplicate, it is larger. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the WP:IFD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 22:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Image-03: Alex Theatre (Glendale, California)[edit]

I seem to be having major problems keeping this image from being deleted. The image is not mine, but I did get permission to use it from the author (see source on image). What tag should it have? Please DO NOT delete this image. Thanks.--Metron4 03:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks for adding a better tag.--Metron4 18:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Yet another request[edit]

Hi there, it's been a long time... I've been a bit out of touch with the wiki due to a RL situation, but now I may have some time to edit again. I wanted to ask you if you could have a look at User:Rune.welsh/FLC at some point and update as you see fit, specially regarding the "Other precedent" section regarding recent nominations. This is by no means urgent, of course.

Hope you're doing alright. How's school going? -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 10:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

FL-Tri Nations[edit]

Hi Renata, I responded to your comments at the FLC page. But I'm not sure which direction to take the history (as its already longer than Swedish football champions and English football champions). Any other help would be much appreciated. Cheers. Cvene64 06:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your gift. Stephen B Streater 12:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


I consider the suggestion of WP:FLRC as a response to another featured list I wrote to be incivil and frankly rude.

It takes a lot of effort to create a featured list. FLC is to create better, nicer better organised lists. Objections should have a basis aside from personal taste. There is no 'standard' template for lists.

--Cat out 15:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Huh? I honestly don't get your point. My point was that there is a procedure to remove lists that don't deserve to be featured. That means that any featured list is not "untouchable." Maybe some lists met the standards when they were nominated but now the standards might be higher and the list does not meet them anymore. I am trying to say that using old featured list as the golden standard is not such a good practice. Simply, if there is something to improve about a list, it should be. Renata 16:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I am well aware of the procedure, there is no need to mention it in a FAC. I never implied it was "untochable". You might have your own standards but flc does not. After a point it is a matter of taste and thats something quite contraversial.
What do you suggest in place of the dvd cover images? Episode screenshots?
--Cat out 17:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I asked a couple of users what they think and so far I got no response. But I believe screenshots would be better. Renata 18:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Umm actualy I can give you the answer. On List of Oh My Goddess episodes, article originaly had screenshots of individual episodes. During the featured nomination people said that was a violation of fair use and hence I started using dvd covers. That is why I started using dvd covers. Plus we use less images this way. --Cat out 18:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


As per User_talk:Moeron#Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Galactic-Ruckus.jpg, I have created the article and have designated I am using the album cover under fair use. Please contact me if there is further problems. Thanks!--MOE.RON talk | done | doing 19:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Must I provide something beyond having the album cover presented in the album infobox, as per Ruckus (album)?--MOE.RON talk | done | doing 19:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Final time I will bother you, I promise :) Can you take a look at Image:Galactic-Ruckus.jpg now and tell me if this is acceptable or not? Thanks!


Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article tent pegging, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for a great nom! 01:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair Use Images[edit]


I wanted to raise an issue and think that you will be a good person to discuss before proceeding. This is with regards to misinterpretation of "Fair Use" that is done by a lot of editors while adding images to articles. Specifically, I have seen a lot of articles using TV/Movie screenshots and other images in very high screen resolution. Morover, a lot of them also don't seem to follow "using a limited number of screenshot" policy and bend it quite easily. Had the problem been with a couple of articles, I would have raised the issue myself. However the magnitude made me start thinking about alternatives. What do you suggest? -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with everything you said. Even I have experienced what you are telling. Unfortunately its not easy to get people understand them. People will always choose "easy" over "right", and more so because the former makes the encyclopedia look better. The required rules and policies are always there but implementation is missing. What I plan to do from now on is oppose the use inappropriate fair-use images in articles going to FAC. You seem to be doing something similar. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 11:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Ačiu. Gal turi minciu del siu mano nuotrauku [1], gal tiktu kokia i dienos paveiksliuka (nebloga lazdyno ziedai). Algirdas 15:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK updates to suggestions while updates in progress[edit]

It is dangerous to update DYK suggestions while a refresh is in progress (which is why we put the "CAUTION" banner in the refresh area, did you see it?) , at least while I am doing it because I keep the entire suggestion subsection open for edit while I am doing it. You may want to take some history diffs to see if your updates made it into the version I saved, and if not, redo them, without losing the changes I made... Sorry for any inconvenience, and thanks for your suggestions!... ++Lar: t/c 03:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC) (PS you can/should answer here as I keep an eye on talk pages where I start threads)


Short answer : Yes. - Mailer Diablo 06:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for Laurynas picture[edit]

Renata, thank you for your support that I as newcommer value very much. Laurynas page looks much nicer. Juraune 19:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Teddy bears missed you[edit]

Thank you! I'm glad I have friends around. *Wipes tears (of JOY!) from eyes* -- 127.*.*.1 02:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

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Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Nevėžis River, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. 18:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

About Juozas Lukoševičius article[edit]

I only remember Wikifiing the article, not created it. I don't no why the history says I created it.


It's fine. You're not the first one to do it, but you're certainly more subtle. :) -→Buchanan-Hermit/!? 08:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)