User talk:Retrohead/Archive 1

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"Request for Mediation"

Sorry about the slow response, I have been busy both on here and in real life over the last couple days. I generally don't mediate in disputes between editors, but I did take a brief look at the stuff at AJFA (album) talk page, though not the single. If you still would like me to act as a neutral third party though, and if the other editor(s) accept some sort of mediation, I will involve myself as soon as possible.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 21:22, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please. I've been trying to prove what's written in the talk page, and now I'm trying to defend the references I added. I'll ask Dan as soon as possible.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 10:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, let me know on my talk page if/when he accepts this then.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 13:05, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for getting back to me. It still appears as though the dispute is ongoing. But, having looked at Dan56's talk page, I see that he has no interest in a mediator. Therefore I am not going to involve myself directly in a dispute where one party does not want a mediator,because I think that would just cause additional problems. All the more I am going to say is that, if the dispute continues, and you want a mediator to enforce a binding result (an informal arrangement, such as your request for myself to mediate would be non-binding), you might want to submit a formal request for mediation. In a case like this, I think it would probably be rejected, but you never know.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 20:12, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I have no idea how to do audio samples. You might try contacting User:Eddyspeeder though. I worked with him a while back on some Queensryche stuff, and if I recall correctly, he knows how get samples uploaded and set up.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 22:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice. Bye.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"June 2013"

Welcome to Wikipedia. I have noticed that some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to ...And Justice for All (song), have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you to seek consensus for certain edits. Thank you. Dan56 (talk) 16:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from changing genres, as you did to ...And Justice for All (song), without providing a reliable source that that makes that statement explicitly. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. Dan56 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not only is the source you cited a blog (which are unacceptable per WP:SPS), it makes no mention of the word "thrash". Please refrain from introducing erroneously and poorly sourced material. Dan56 (talk) 16:39, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to change genres without discussion or sources, as you did at ...And Justice for All (song), you may be blocked from editing. Dan56 (talk) 19:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The genre is properly sourced, so please revert your own edit.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:35, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So was "progressive metal", genre warrior. Dan56 (talk) 19:38, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That is still in the info box, as you can see.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:39, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please respect WP:IBX#References in infoboxes.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:41, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please respect WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. Dan56 (talk) 19:42, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know what's a good way of having a neutral point of view? Good research, looking for "reputable books and journal articles". There's no way you're unbiased if you're giving more weight to a review by someone named "The_ghost_of_el_duce" over Joel McIver, who calls the song "progressive metal". You're in the wrong, so stop it. Dan56 (talk) 19:38, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stay calm for one minute. I'll make two corrections.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:43, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you actually read Wikipedia's policies and guidelines? I bet you haven't read anything from NPOV or NOR. Dan56 (talk) 19:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're lucky I'm not challenging/removing "thrash metal" and your source. "The_ghost_of_el_duce " from Punknews.org is hardly appropriate to cite as an interpretation of a creative work (WP:SUBJECTIVE). Dan56 (talk) 19:48, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You could just have flipped the genres if that annoys you that much.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:50, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dan, calm down, the article looks lame that way.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:51, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This annoys me, as do editors who have no grasp on encyclopedic policies and refuse to read them. Joel McIver vs. "The_ghost_of_el_duce"? It looks "lame" because you're source is "lame". The author must be attributed (WP:MOS#Attribution). If it's too "lame", they shouldn't be cited to begin with. Answer me: is "The_ghost_of_el_duce" a notable individual holding the interpretation that the song is "thrash metal"? Dan56 (talk) 19:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're trying to chase away a productive editor with useful edits. Go ahead, I guess you've got permission to do it.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've been relatively lenient with you. But I think I'm discouraging an editor who wants to push his own point of view into articles and mislead readers into sharing his opinion on the music he listens to. I get it: you don't think it's progressive metal, and you're looking for any source that doesn't either. Now, actually address one of my points, since you have yet to address all that is cited in this section. Answer me: is "The_ghost_of_el_duce" a notable individual holding the interpretation that the song is "thrash metal"? Dan56 (talk) 20:03, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Punknews.org is accepted as reliable source, it's even included in the reception of the album. Beside that, it's specialized for punk and heavy metal music. Now, I don't know why the reviewer writes under his nickname, but that's another topic. I propose to remain Punknews.org's reviewer, because the reader might question the credibility of the article.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:10, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's not what I asked. The reader should question the credibility; use your common sense--your reviewer is not a notable individual whose interpretation (read this / click here) should be cited. So you propose this, despite what WP:MOS#Attribution says? And you think you're productive? Dan56 (talk) 20:10, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Got that, Joel McIver is way more reputated. But my source is in line with the public opinion, so that doesn't harm the article. And it's widely known that AJFA is thrash, but I think you aren't aware of that. And I've improved the album's article in great amount for only one day, so don't see it why am I contra productive?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Public opinion", "widely known"? "Wikipedia's content is determined by previously published information rather than by the personal beliefs or experiences of its editors." Dan56 (talk) 20:23, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Again, read it. I admire your honesty and good will. But you didn't answer me why do you consider me being contra productive?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:26, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from the questionable sources and obsession with the infobox genre? Just make yourself more informed by the policies rather than by what you personally "know" about the topics you edit, and your edits will be even more productive. Dan56 (talk) 20:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For the last time, the author is questionable, not the source. And yes, apart from that.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:31, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And how can you tag me as obsessed when I edited the genre only three time on both pages?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WOW!!! Did you really say "the author is questionable, not the source"? SMH (Wikipedia:RS#Definition_of_a_source) Dan56 (talk) 20:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant unknown.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:40, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the extensive dialog and good day.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:45, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That wasn't my personal point of view, silly. I misquoted "different to every" as "very different", because I was hastily trying to fix your mess, again. You were the one that cited the source, and botched the citation template and even forgot the author. Dan56 (talk) 08:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And the second post?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 08:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop adding poorly sourced content, as you did to ...And Justice for All (song). Using self-published sources such as Internet blogs contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Dan56 (talk) 08:39, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it's considered reliable source according to Wikipedia:RS#Definition_of_a_source (see second term). Cosmo Lee has written reviews for AllMusic in the extreme metal genre, so I don't see why that citation shouldn't remain there. He is a respectable author after all.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 08:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"A-class"

This is in reference to your query about Death Magnetic article, about if it is an A-class article. I can tell you that A-class articles do not exist according to Quality scale in the Albums project, so this means you will have to take it thru GAN process. They do have some criteria for you to read before you go to nominate the article. However, I would be more than happy to confirm it as a B-class article, but you will have to go thru the nomination process to get the other quality assessment. So, just tell me what you want to do with reference to this matter on this article.HotHat (talk) 06:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I saw it failed the GA nomination once, and in the meantime it wasn't improved that much. But go ahead and confirm it's B-class status again.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 06:18, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just wondering, isn't AJFA a part of the Rock music project? It seems the most of Metallica album discography is, but somehow isn't.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 06:27, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it should because progressive metal is in some semblance a part of rock. On the Death Magnetic article, I approved it but it needs scoped rows in the tables for accessiblity issues. So, you may want to go put them in the tables. This is the only problem that I see with respect to that article. It is not GA article quality by the way at the present moment, and very far away on the FA article quality scale.HotHat (talk) 06:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The only area that I went back in and declined was the accessibility area, but I will approve it as soon as the scoped rows are put in the article.HotHat (talk) 06:42, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DoneHotHat (talk) 03:15, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you need help with anymore?HotHat (talk) 09:13, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I'm working on Master of Puppets right now, but I'll call you as soon as I'm done with it.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 09:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any idea how to improve the Accessibility criteria on both articles?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 10:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Master of Puppets. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. Dan56 (talk) 13:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If your source doesn't say "received excellent reviews by the music critics" or "is greatly admired by various musicians", then you cant use the source to cite those two ideas. Please read WP:NOR, specifically this first paragraph ("...if you use it out of context..."). I did, we all did. Dan56 (talk) 13:51, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it is a reliable source. I was just summarizing the statements. And I kindly suggested to you to properly use it. It's a pity to be deleted when it can be used it the article.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 13:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're not summarizing, you're introducing your personal interpretation of a bunch of quoted musicians. Again, what part of "directly and explicitly" don't you understand? Dan56 (talk) 14:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at ...And Justice for All (album), you may be blocked from editing. Dan56 (talk) 14:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The assessment page you recently edited doesn't go farther than "B" articles. For good article nominations, instructions are at WP:GAN/I. Dan56 (talk) 15:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DONT TEMPLATE THE REGULARS. Word of advice. Dan56 (talk) 23:02, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not attack other editors, as you did on User talk:Dan56. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Dan56 (talk) 23:09, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did here on ...And Justice for All (album). If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Dan56 (talk) 23:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at ...And Justice for All (album), you may be blocked from editing. Dan56 (talk) 20:07, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE: A barnstar for you!

Thanks for the barnstar! I just had a look at your nomination, and the written content looks fine, could use some grammatical corrections, and some of the references lack publishers and completion. But besides that, I think it looks fine, and the reviewer should hopefully help in ironing out the problems. If you want me to go through and edit anything, then feel free to ask. Et 3 rnal 23:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone through some of the references. Good luck for the nomination. Et 3 rnal 23:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try and do it later today. Et 3 rnal 07:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

June 2013

This is your last warning. The next time you violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by inserting unpublished information or your personal analysis into an article, as you did here at ...And Justice for All (song), you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Dan56 (talk) 17:58, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is this suppose to back me off from editing?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:09, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Вик Ретлхед, please read my advice on avoiding warnings below. Best wishes Flat Out let's discuss it 00:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

Hi Вик Ретлхед. Just some friendly advice on editing genre. Genre on music articles is a sensitive issue. In general, you need to get consensus at the Talk page to add or delete genre. Simply quoting a source and changing it is not enough because there are so many different opinions. You can find a source that supports a genre of, say 'rock', and I can find one for the same song that says it's 'new-wave.' Take your source and your view to the Talk page and seek consensus. Best wishes, Flat Out let's discuss it 00:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cite format

I have removed the warning in good faith. Now you have a chance to fix the many errors in cite format at Load (album). Remember don't just delete cite news and put in cite web, the formats are slightly different. Have fun. Flat Out let's discuss it 10:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Starting with that. Please give me further advices what to do with the other articles.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 10:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Which other articles? Flat Out let's discuss it 10:48, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Orion Music + More--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 10:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's the same, you have cite news where it should be cite web. I'll undo my rv to give u a chance to fix them. Flat Out let's discuss it 11:01, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed Load and Death Magnetic. If you have no further notices, it think we can put them aside.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 11:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Retired

Why have you retired your account? Flat Out let's discuss it 12:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've decided to return to the Macedonian Wikipedia, since I've got many unfinished articles there. The only reason I logged here was to promote ...And Justice for All to good article. Anyway, thanks for getting back to me and must say it was pleasure working with you.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 12:25, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stay around! You have finally got the hang of it and you are doing some good work. Flat Out let's discuss it 12:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you say so, but I won't be active as I used to be.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 12:28, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back

I just want to thank you for coming back to do some work on Wikipedia. Just a little word of advise, don't get discouraged just try and keep on trying "because one day a nut may crack by itself" but until then we have to work together the best we possibly can to make this encyclopedia better.HotHat (talk) 04:10, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have had my fair share of disagreements with Walter Görlitz, Qxukhgiels, 3family6, Dan56 and STATicVerseatide. I took a cooling off period, and came back with a renewed frame of thought to do my best on articles and with other editors, which has worked out well for me so far. I hope if you feel depressed by this take some "real life" time to relax and have fun.HotHat (talk) 04:17, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the words of advice. I actually took some time to read Wikipedia's guidelines, and by the way, I figured out I was being overly verbose for a pointless issue. Anyway, now I know how to act in situations like those, and hopefully I'll do some useful edits.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 08:29, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Audio sample

Hey Bik! Wow, it was a lot of work getting Queensrÿche (album) done (an article I'm pretty proud of — it's an awesome album by the way). Because of that, uploading File:Metallica - Master of Puppets.ogg took a little longer, but it's up now! :-) I saw you already prepared the way on the Master of Puppets page. I've also added it to Master of Puppets (song). Hope that helps! :-) Let me know if you'd like to get more songs up, I'm happy to help if I have time. --Eddyspeeder (talk) 11:33, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, great. I really don't know how to thank you enough. Good luck with getting that article nominated for GA.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 12:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well done!

		The Good Article Barnstar
		Congrats on your first GA! Et 3 rnal 13:31, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cryptic Writings

Congratulations on getting Risk up to GA level. That was the next one I was going to go for, but life just kinda got in the way, and I haven't been able to do much recently.

As for CW, looks a lot better than when I last saw it, though I never got around to doing much with it. Just looking it over quick, it looks pretty good. Aside from the one 'cite needed' that you mentioned, I would check the source for the quotes about "Almost Honest" in the song section, as well as Mustaine's description of 4 songs being fast and crunchy. Additionally, i corrected a minor typo in a citation title, but other than that, that's all i noticed. Keep an eye out for the little stuff, grammar, typos, etc, cause they slip by so easily, but can make or break stuff. As for a GA nom, I think it needs a little more work, but just around the edges. You're clearly on your way to a GA with this.

Good luck with the GA process. If I'm around, (I may or may not be, as I have been pretty busy lately) I'd be glad to act as a proofreader if you need one. Always good to have a second set of eyes to catch the little stuff.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:47, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you might find this to be of interest.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, you did a to-do list. I'll try to improve Youthanasia as much as I can, and I'm hoping to get it nominated before New Year. And thanks for the advice, its always good to hear a useful word from a more experienced editor.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:52, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Youthanasia

Hey, I recently picked up a copy of the '94 release of Youthanasia. I noticed that the composition credits in that version are different than the 2004 reissue. Since that is the original version, I put those credits as the default, while leaving a note about the change in credits on the later version. Just figured I'd let you know. Keep up the good work!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 01:20, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Figured there was no need for a new section. About your request for input about the article and its GA posibilities, well the article is, i`m sorry to say, somewhat short, is true that the length is not fundamental, its the first thing that jumps at you.

Now, on to thing that lacks; it lacks pictures, there is no GA without images, also samples are always a good addition.

But my more important advise is going with the pros, go with the GA project and ask for a review, they can fill you in the best. Zidane tribal (talk) 02:41, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No worries dude, thanks for the advices, I'll work more on that article. See you.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 07:48, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

		The Reviewer Barnstar
		Thank you for your helpful comments, suggestions and copy-edits to improve Dig Me Out, really appreciated. --Niwi3 (talk) 16:56, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Hello. That terrible singer picture I did was a just a take on some nominator giving the reviewer a brownie for passing a GA. I wasn't trying to be mean, I just thought doing a take on it would be original. 和DITOR E tails`

Ahh, well nice one. Glad to be working with you.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:59, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some more info to Hung for the Holidays, and I've tweaked some parts of the prose. Does it look any better? 和DITOR E tails 23:20, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see right away.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 07:30, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. The review for The Age of Plastic is coming very soon.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 07:34, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE: I've did actually copy the genres, and I've limited it to two. Thanks for reminding me about this. 和DITOR E tails 12:43, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE: SURE! I'll work on it. 和DITOR E tails 13:31, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Sorry. Just some edit conflict happened and I got a new message notice. I've added it now. 和DITOR E tails 13:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Does adding "The music of" at the beginning of the sentence sound clearer, cause I've done that. In fact, I think the article could get up to even FA status. Thanks for working on this. 和DITOR E tails 17:40, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE:

Done with putting templates in refs for The Age of Plastic. Thanks for reviewing and improving this article, and good luck with review. 和DITOR E tails 19:56, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello? 和DITOR E tails 20:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm doing a few improvements on the article right now. Expect the report some time tomorrow.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:49, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Advice

Hey, good to hear from you. I'm just looking at it now. I'll get back to you in a few minutes. Et 3 rnal 20:21, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah! It's most likely due to this. Et 3 rnal 20:28, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot pal.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:53, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would pick it up, but unfortunately right now I'm bogged down with lots of school work, so I don't really have time to be doing reviews. Though I'm sure there's lots of other people willing to pick it up, try asking around. Et 3 rnal 16:15, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I did ask User:WikiRedactor if he could review Looking 4 Myself and he kindly took it forward. There is User:Calvin999, who's reviewed most of the GA's I've done. There's also User:Tomica, who's a good friend of mine, he's done a couple of reviews. You could also try scouting around the GA page, and try asking any of the users currently reviewing album and song articles. Et 3 rnal 16:29, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, hope everything goes well in University. Et 3 rnal 16:36, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Age of Plastic

Hi! Thanks for passing my GAN. I just want to let you know that I'm doing a peer review to get this article up to FA status. It is at Wikipedia:Peer review/The Age of Plastic/archive2. Feel free to leave suggestions and comments. Thanks! 和DITOR E tails 22:19, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Review propose

Hey there! I'll be glad to review the article for you. Most of the time, I focus on the mainstream pop/R&B/dance style recordings, so reviewing this metal album will be a welcome change! WikiRedactor (talk) 16:43, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For You

		The WikiProject Albums Barnstar
		For your tireless contributions on articles for numerous heavy metal albums and bands L1A1 FAL (talk) 18:21, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, really thanks dude. I also admire your work on the Megadeth albums. I enjoyed reading them, they look like they were done by a professional editor.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 18:25, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Хехе

Еј па не знаев дека си Македонец лол. Иначе да, нема проблем ќе ја ѕирнам па ќе ти кажам дали ти е спремна за WP:GAN. Иначе да има, My love is love (talk · contribs) е наш, тој уредува статии што се поврзани со Бијонсе. И мене ми е мило, поздрав. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 10:19, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Супер, баш случајно те видов по препорака на Етернал. Ми беше познато името, сигурно имаш профил на нашата Вики. А јас овде сум едвај три-четири месеци, па убаво што можам да прашам некој поискусен за совет.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 10:34, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Нормално. Иначе ја зедов статијата за review, па во некој од наредниве денови ќе ја завршам. Иначе го прочитав воведниот дел и според мене е одличен, така да нема да има некои големи проблеми. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 10:41, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Фала ти многу другарче, не се брзај. И со среќа за твоите номинации. Поздрав.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 11:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

На крај испадна дека има најмногу Македонци кои уредуваме статии во областа на музиката. Мило ми е што бројот на Македонци се зголемува на англиската Википедија. My love is love (talk) 21:11, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Да, стварно, и тоа едни од поактивните сме. Одлично, ќе имам од кого да поднаучам нешто.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 21:26, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Честито на добрата статија Вик ;). Еј имам идеја, сакате некогаш да работиме на некој заеднички проект? Знам дека имамe резлични вкусови за музика, но, со сигурност може да најдемe нешто заедничко =). — Tomíca^(T2ME) 12:42, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Да обавезно, многу ти должам за прегледот. Кажи ако имаш некој предлог, или ако имаш нешто почнато да помогнам. И така моментално сум слободен.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 12:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ништо не ми должиш, уживај, ептен добра статија. Хммм, немам ништо почнато во моментов, не знам каква музика слушаш (освен траш метал, за My love is love знам додуша ;)), но, може да биде нешто во врска со Ријана или Марун 5 или па некоја друга глобално добра песна? Статиите за ЏТ ги правиме заедно со Status (talk · contribs), така да, нека остане изборот на тебе. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 12:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Статии за песни, искрено не сум правел. Ако може за албуми, или нешто слично. Ај да ги погледам дискографиите за Ријана и Марун 5, па да видам што останало за работа. А инаку за музички вкус, слушам секаков хеви метал - од Блек Сабат до Слеер. А гледам Даре направил некои статии за Еванесенс, па можам да договорам некоја идна соработка и со него.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 12:57, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Да, да Евансенс се навистина добри, и Бон Џови ми се омилени рок групи. Види, статиите за албумите на Марун 5 се прилично во лоша состојба, освен Overexposed, на кој му треба уште ситна работа за да биде номиниран. Поздрав. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 13:10, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Еј видов. Од песните на Ријана око ми фати Princess of China. Не е многу средена, но има потенцијал за добра статија. Јас ќе почнам да го поправам малку по малку албумот што го спомна, ама од понеделник зашто треба да ја допрегледам номинацијата за Бијонсе. Позз.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 13:15, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Не можам да зборувам македонски јазик, но мислев дека сум би приклучат во секој случај. Благодарение на Google Translate. Et 3 rnal 20:08, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

За ова имаш награда од мене, поздрав.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 05:51, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Advice

Sure, I can do it now. I'll provide a brief explanation of the basics on how to edit the audio and upload it. Once I've finished. Et 3 rnal 16:33, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've uploaded it here. First things first, "samples should not exceed 30 seconds or 10% of the length of the original song, whichever is shorter", according to WP:SAMPLE. To edit the audio, use the program Audacity, version 1.2. I use 1.2.4, which you can download here. When you're opening audio within Audacity, make sure it's MP3 format, as it's easy to work with and any other format seems to mess up. You can use the Selection Tool to select a segment of the audio you want, and then CTRL + T (or Edit > Trim) to trim it, then drag the audio to the start with the Time Shift Tool. When exporting, you want it to be ogg format, and low quality, so go to Edit > Preferences > then drag the ogg quality slider to 0. Then when you're ready to export, go to File > Export As Ogg Vorbis. To upload to Wikipedia, I use the old uploader, as it's easier to use, so I would recommend using it over the new one. Go to "It is an audio sample of a song", select the file, fill out the fields and upload, you don't have to select a license as it does it for you, also read WP:SAMPLE on using a sensible name. Well, that wasn't brief at all, but that's a step-by-step process on how I do it, and how I recommend doing it. Et 3 rnal 17:03, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. You're the best.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 17:05, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, glad to help. If you need anymore help, just ask. I'll just be here procrastinating. Et 3 rnal 17:08, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Youthanasia lead section

I think it reads fine as it is. All the important stuff is covered for the first-time reader who may or may not know anything about the subject matter: album title, band name, exact release date, reissue details, charts summary, a quick mention of reception, an explanation of the title, and a brief stylistic description of the music. Any expansion of those belong in their own sections, which are already looking good and informative. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CTE credits

Hey. I have the Japanese edition of the album, so that's what I was going from on this one when I cited notes. it should still be good though. However, I do not have the CD on me now, so it'll have to wait a few days. With that said, I'd be more than glad to when I have the chance. Keep up the good work!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 14:36, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No worries dude, don't rush. But how did you manage to get the Japanese edition? I thought it was available only in Japan.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 15:25, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just got lucky :D Found it for $7 in the used bin at the CD store (along with an original Rust in Peace CD) a few months ago.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:23, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, you're lucky. I only got this edition, but it doesn't feature any liner notes.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 16:27, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I have tweaked the cite, and made a correction where necessary, but the original credits are now cited from the liner notes. However, I cannot do anything about the 2004 credits, as I do not have that edition of the album. I have tagged that with a CN tag for now.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 22:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot. At least now only the prose needs additional researching. Will get to that sooner or later.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 05:25, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Super Collider

Hey, I wanted your advice quick. Do you think Super Collider is GA-worthy at this point? I've been thinking about nominating it.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 13:14, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Generally speaking, it sure has the potential to be GA. I'd propose to merge the "Singles" sub-section to the "Songs". While explaining the title track you can mention that it was released as a single and other information. If it's possible, the prose from the "Charts" section can be slightly expanded and placed into new "Commercial performance" section. If not, you can follow the same route as I did to Thirteen. Otherwise that this, it is GA material.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 14:57, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, at this point, Super Collider isn't eligible for a DYK listing. The criteria used to be (maybe they aren't still though) the article either had to be new, or have had it's expanded at least 5-times. Thirteen would be eligible for that award though. I created it, DYK'd it, and got it to GA status.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 20:05, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I found something you might want to incorporate into Youthanasia: Mustaine Says There is a Very Big Chance Megadeth Will Perform Entire Youthanasia Album. I thought about adding it myself, but wasn't sure if it would be better to wait until after the GA process was finished, or if there should be official announcements, etc first.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa, that's very likely to be incorporated into the "Touring" section. Sounds interesting and deserves to be placed into the article. You've helped me for the millionth time. Thanks buddy.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 05:16, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA on Youthanasia

I have reviewed it against the criteria, and found it to be very worthy, but it needs a few corrections. This you can see by going to GA.HotHat (talk) 02:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks friend.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 06:31, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your welcome, I will let it go for a couple more days to see if others have any more input.HotHat (talk) 08:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Live at the Cow Palace EP.jpg

Thank you for uploading File:Live at the Cow Palace EP.jpg. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Wikipedia may not meet the criteria required by Wikipedia:Non-free content. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Wikipedia policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an image copyright tag; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale.

If it is determined that the file does not qualify under the non-free content policy, it might be deleted by an administrator within a few days in accordance with our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. J Milburn (talk) 14:55, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@J Milburn: Can you give me a link to the discussion so I can write my opinion?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 18:26, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't a discussion. You're welcome to discuss it with me, or, alternatively, You can dispute it by using Template:Di-replaceable fair use disputed so that an administrator will consider your arguments before deleting. However, unless something changes, there's not a chance that this is going to be kept, and certainly no chance that a decent GA reviewer will pass the article. J Milburn (talk) 07:27, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is why I'm opposing its deletion. The Live at the Cow Palace EP is part of the 20th anniversary edition of the CD, which makes its cover related to the album. That edition is explained in the "Reissues" section, which means that this picture is used as visual identification of the EP's artwork. Even the album's title is written at the top of the cover.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 11:39, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's generally held that a single album cover is acceptable on articles about albums. However, that doesn't extend to reissues, remix albums and so forth- we want to be using the minimum amount of non-free content possible. Unless this album cover is in some way significant, I'm really not seeing why it needs to be in the article. J Milburn (talk) 14:00, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If I understood you right, the rationale doesn't play significant role whether the image will be kept or deleted. The only way the cover would be appropriate is if Live at the Cow Palace has its own article.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 18:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's the more likely option. The other would be if the cover is in some way significant and so the article on the studio album could not be fully understood without it. J Milburn (talk) 18:05, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning the music sample, I'm afraid not. I could cut an MP3 or other music file, but I've no way of extracting a music file from a YouTube video. J Milburn (talk) 21:49, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. If you find the sample somewhere else, pick it up. Just make sure it is the chorus of the 1997 version.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 21:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Genres

Why do you keep removing heavy metal on Countdown to Extinction and Thirteen? It's sourced on both articles. In fact, Countdown to Extinction is seen as a step away from thrash metal, so it would make sense to have heavy metal there too. Thrash metal definitely shouldn't be the only genre there. You were reverting me without any sort of explanation. 97.83.67.162 (talk) 22:04, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Audio file

I'll try to get the file uploaded some time later today. Erick (talk) 16:44, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the positive response. Cheers.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 18:07, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the file. Sorry about the delay, college has kept me busy. Erick (talk) 19:07, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have it done either tomorrow or Monday. Erick (talk) 02:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here it is.

TSHF

Hey, sorry. I saw your message yesterday, but just had a lot on my mind yesterday and forgot about taking a look at what you were saying about. I'll check out what you did.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:57, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

re: b-day message

Thanks! By the way, I was looking over CTE a little earlier, you're doing a great job on it! I think you'll definitely want to take a shot at making it an FA at some point.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:33, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it definetely has the potential to be featured article. Might return on that article after we bring the rest of the studio albums to GA. That's my top priority for now.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 18:02, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good Girl Gone Bad FAC

Hey Vik! How are you? Do you have some spare time to view and check the article and give some comments at the FAC? I would be grateful. Cheers! [Sorry for the English :P] — Tomíca^(T2ME) 21:39, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Важи, ќе погледам.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 21:48, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Super Collider GA

Hey Vic, thanks for opening the GA page for Super Collider, but I'm pretty sure they have to be done by an editor who hasn't made any major contributions to the article. Aside from not knowing what I'm doing in reviewing, that's why I didn't do any of the reviews for any of your GA nominations. I contributed to many of those in some capacity so it would have been a conflict of interest for me.

Also, thank you for the comments on the peer review for Thirteen. So far, yours are the only ones I have received. Hoping for some more views this week on that, but we'll see what happens.

Thanks again, --L1A1 FAL (talk) 11:47, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I'll invite someone else to do the review.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 12:40, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. Also, your comments are much appreciated as well.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:20, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help with the GA stuff!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 01:56, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And congratulations for promoting the album to GA.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 06:53, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: CTE

Hey, just got your note about CTE. I have been busy most of the day, but did a quick rearrangement, as well as adding a few wikilinks I felt were relevant (like specifying which George Bush was being referred to) and a few other small tweaks. If you disagree with anything, feel free to undo in part of in full. I did see that it's already GA now, so congrats on that!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 02:59, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article work

You may want to edit No More Hell to Pay.HotHat (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for creating the page. I'll have a look on the article.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alphabetical order

With respect to this, the alphabetical order of characters can be seen at WP:ALPHA. Adabow (talk) 09:43, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for correcting me.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 17:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Slayer

Hey, thanks for the links! I read the second one last night, but the RS one is new to me. I don't really have the time right now, but I'll try to incorporate something from that into the article when I get a chance.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 22:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's a live article actually, so no need to ask. Generally, such future albums fall under WP:HAMMER, but I was able to score an exception.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 15:47, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I have seen some of the work that you've done on So Far, So Good... So What!. I've made a few tweaks, but I have put it in for B-class on the assessment page. Keep up the good work!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 07:04, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking, would you accept co-nomination of the article for GA along with me when I'm done with expanding it? You can definitely help a lot with the eventual issues about the prose or correcting some parts of the text.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 08:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be more than willing to help with it when I can when you nominate for GA. I have had a wildly fluctuating schedule lately, so I never really know when I'm going to be able to work on things and when I'm not, but I'd be glad to help where and when I can.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 15:35, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks, I'll contact you when I'll be needing help over some issue.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 15:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Common Courtesy

Thanks for the review on Treason, I would've fixed the issues quicker but didn't know the For Those Who Have Heart review would last longer than expected. Eh, what can ya do?

I'm planning on waiting a couple of months before nominating Common Courtesy as the physical/iTunes editions are coming out on the 26th this month and the guys would probably be doing interviews and/or release another single or two. To be fair, it's just really the reception to do and the article is good to go. When I do nom it, would you be interested in reviewing it? Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 14:39, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'll be glad to work with you again.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 15:59, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's great to hear, I'll give you a heads up in a few months time when I do nom it. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 16:12, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Release date of So Far, So Good... So What!

I actually never rely on the booklets or back cover for track times, as they're often very inaccurate. Instead, I use Winamp and EAC to check the track times from the disc itself for 100% accuracy. There's nothing about release or even recording dates in the liner notes, but the back cover does say "Ⓟ 1988 Capitol Records, Inc. © 1987 Capitol Records, Inc.", indicating perhaps a release date of very late 1987? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 22:43, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was also confused because Christgau lists the album being released in 1987, at least according to his review.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:46, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In My Darkest Hour

Hey, got a question for you. Would you be in favor of merging In My Darkest Hour into SFSGSW? I have already merged another song page (Mary Jane (Megadeth song)), but this one is slightly more notable. However, it only has one citation (songfacts.com/org/whatever) which isn't an RS anyway. What do you think?--L1A1 FAL (talk) 22:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, go for it. I also intended to do that in near future; however, if we find more sources about that song, we can always re-create the article.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:58, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Talk: Surgical Steel (album)

Hey, just so you know, User:Second Skin hasn't edited since I put up that talk page section, so give them a few days to respond, they may be busy at the moment. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 23:31, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

i replied. Second Skin (talk) 03:47, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anarchy and These Boots

Hey, just an opinion here. Personally, I would have left the "Anarchy" page as it was. The info still might be of interest to someone looking for info on the song, and the different recorded versions. Add to that it being a single, and I'd just let it go. As for "These Boots", instead of deleting, I'd have cut it down to like a paragraph, without the infobox. Just my 2 cents--L1A1 FAL (talk) 22:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you've got a point. Restored the articles as they were prior my edits.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 23:38, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I took out the infobox for "These boots". Readers can just check the album page for technical details. I wanted to pitch an idea to you though. What do you think about including songs that Megadeth has covered under the "related articles" section of the Megadeth template?--L1A1 FAL (talk) 01:28, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I don't have a strong opinion on that idea. But giving weight to the fact that those songs aren't major part of their discography, I don't think they deserve to be placed there. As for the other songs, we might also push the most essential ones to GA status, like some editors did with the Slayer related albums & songs.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 17:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would still include Anarchy and No More Mr Nice Guy (singles), and These Boots (because of the controversy), but that's me. Off the top of my head, I don't think there are any more important/notable ones.

I would agree on getting some the songs to GA status (if not FA for 1 or 2). That was part of my ultimate intention. Clear up and merge the un-notable/unreferenced ones, and improve any that are notable/singles, or already have worthwhile content. We'll have to figure out what should be merged and what should be reworked and improved though--L1A1 FAL (talk) 21:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As for now, the majority of the remaining songs look like they fulfill the criteria per WP:NSONG. "Symphony of Destruction" might be the closest candidate for GA in its current condition; though it requires some additional work, mainly in removing the unreliable sources.

I looked throughout the articles for "Anarchy" and "No More Mr Nice Guy", and yes, they should be included to the template since they were released as singles by the band. If you want to add "These Boots", that's up to you, just make sure the link directs to the section named "Megadeth version".--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:42, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

re: Little help

Hi Вик Ретлхед,

I've made adjustments to this file to match the recommendations at WP:SAMPLE. I took about three seconds off the end (and faded it out too). Hope this is satisfactory! Don't forget to clear your cache before listening to the new version, or your browser may play the old version.

Dawnseeker2000 02:49, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SFSGSW! Section

Yeah, I'd be glad to do that. I probably won't get around to it until Sunday though., as I have plans, and do not have the CD on me at this time. Feel free to send a reminder to me then if you see fit. Have a good weekend!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 08:13, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks for the assistance. You don't have to rush, this is a long-time project.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 08:57, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Unfortunately I do not have a copy of CW from which to cite liner notes. Sorry bout that. Let me know if you need help here or there with anything else though, and I'll see what I can do when I have a chance.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 21:47, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, no problem, I'll contact Mac Dreamstate to see if he can help.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 23:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Cryptic Writings

Hey there, I'm not sure what needed confirmation.. I had a look at the liner notes for the original version of CW (I do not have the 2004 remix/remaster) and Bud Prager is listed verbatim as "A&R direction: Bud Prager"; nothing else mentioned of him, nor anything quote-worthy. If there is anything else specifically that needs checking from the Megadeth non-remasters, I'd be happy to do so. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:48, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that Mustaine's quote about getting a number one record was placed in the album notes. I guess the quote must be from the reissue. Anyway, thanks for the help.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 23:53, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is likely that anything quotable will be on the 2004 versions—none of which I have. Pretty much the only thing worthwhile I can provide from the originals are track times directly from the discs, which I'm slowly nearing completion (five more to go as I get around to the end of my twice-yearly 'Megadeth listening marathon'). Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:58, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great to hear that. I'll be doing some improvements over the main article; plan to nominate it for GA the following week or so. Well then, everything the best and enjoy the music.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 00:04, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How's it look now? I cut some of the cruft out, and condensed it into a single, albeit long, sentence.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 21:31, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely much better. ~~I'll restore some of the original quote since it sounded quite interesting.~~--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 21:34, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of So Far, So Good... So What!

The article So Far, So Good... So What! you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:So Far, So Good... So What! for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of LazyBastardGuy -- LazyBastardGuy (talk) 18:42, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations Вик Ретлхед! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 19:16, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. If I need help over some other article, I won't hesitate to call you, lol!--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 19:41, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations on another one! Good work!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 07:56, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rust in Peace

Hey, I wanted to ask a favor of you. While I plan on taking my time doing so, I think I'm probably start working to improve Rust in Peace to GA status, maybe FA status further down the road. What I want to ask of you, could you please take a look over the article and tell me what you think needs improved? I figure the more eyes, the better. Also, I should add that I am thinking about maybe re-doing the way that the sections are broken up. What's your opinion on that?

Thanks and have a good one!--L1A1 FAL (talk) 21:17, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll take a look right away.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:29, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

About splitting the sections: maybe there could be a special section about the artwork since it's not really connected to the background. The "Content" can be separated to "Music" and "Lyrics". There are plenty of sources about the album's style on Google Books, let's say

Prown & Newquist (background and performance)
Pillsbury (style)
Ellefson biography (something about the touring)
Wagner (structure and legacy)
Kajzer (the "definitive lineup")
Walser (Satanic claims)
Cooper (legacy)
Berelian
Larkin (this is the entire text from Encyclopedia of Popular Music)

Secondly, I'm a bit confused about the "Legacy" section. The first paragraph is pretty much talking about Rust in Peace Live and should be transferred there. From my modest Wiki-experience, I believe that this kind of heading should sound like the third paragraph from Countdown to Extinction#Sales and impact. I've managed to fix the non-prose sections earlier this year and think they are fine in their current condition. Anyway, good luck with getting this promoted; hope I've helped you somehow.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 23:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Work in progress now. Thanks for your help!

As for the Legacy thing, I trimmed that down a bit to cut out some of the fancruft, but it will still need reworked a lot. I left some of the RIP live stuff in though, cause I think that the live album and tour is of some relevance. There was just too much detail.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:48, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks for the input. I'll stick around if I find some additional sources. I think we can bring the rest of the Megadeth albums to GA level this year.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:40, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I got another question for you. Do you think that the book citations are fine as is, or do you think they'd be better as a separate bibliography, as with So Far, So Good, So What!? I was leaning towards a bibliography.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 00:06, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MrMoustacheMM suggested to separate the books in special bibliography sections if they are used more than once as a reference. For example, in Killing Is My Business... and Business Is Good! I put Mustaine's and Ellefson's biographies in bibliography because I used more pages from each book, while the book by Larson was placed in references because I've used only one page from it. As for Rust in Peace, the books by Metal Jackie, Pillsbury and Walser should be separated, while the others can remain in references. But there's nothing wrong if they are also listed in bibliography.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 09:29, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I think the books are now ordered as you asked. The references seem more concisely written this way. A small trick I've learned from Dan56. Cheers!--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 23:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]