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Backlog Elimination Drive Has Begun

Hello, I just wanted to take a moment and announce that the July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive has started, and will run for a month. Thanks for signing up. There's a special prize for most edits on the first day, in case you've got high ambitions. Enjoy! ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 04:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I really don't know much I'll actually able be able to do =/ as I'll be away most of July.  – Tommy [message] 09:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the star and kind words, and most of all for following through on the case. I believe that you voted correctly. Gwen Gale declined to vote "did not pass" for good and cogent reasons of her own, and if you had also not done so, the recall would not have gone through, which I think would have left a lot of people feeling that the system had not worked. So you did the Wikipedia proud, in my opinion. Herostratus (talk) 02:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, that means a lot. And I don't blame her. All the best  – td2010 [message] 02:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Uh...

...why did you just replace your userpage with the flag of Spain? –dffgd 21:20, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Because Spain is awesome. Claro!  – td2010 [message] 22:08, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
World Cup? –dffgd 22:09, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Whoa...1 minute later? Funny time to check my watchlist. –dffgd 22:10, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Huh? Yea there is a place called the Plaza Mayor and there were TVs everywhere all over Salamanca... it was like their version of the superbowl.  – td2010 [message] 22:16, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
To clarify, I was referring to replying 1 minute after you replied. –dffgd 00:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Ah okay. lol. Yea i put the Spanish flag on my user page because I'm in Spain... it's amazing (:  – td2010 [message] 09:53, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
By coincidence, I was watching a World Cup game around the time you did that...Spain vs. Paraguay, and Spain won, and advanced. And I don't usually watch WC games. :) –dffgd 13:11, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Marcela Valladolid

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Awesome! (:  – td2010 [message] 09:54, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Cupcake Wars

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

IRC

I think you use IRC. Wondering if you can connect to the server. I'm getting an error. N419BH 15:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I do and yes I can :) (as of right now) -Tommy! [message] 15:04, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Must be firewalled for me then. Oh well. N419BH 15:07, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Yup. Firewalled. Huggle won't even connect. I'm on "API" (whatever that is). N419BH 15:11, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Lo siento :( -Tommy! [message] 15:14, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Yo no hablo español (Have fun in Spain btw). I'll have to try IRC when my summer job is over. N419BH 15:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Claro. I'll help you when you're rdy. Just send a message whenever, or ask User talk:TTTSNB... he's better than I am. Cheers -Tommy! [message] 15:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) You changed your sig again? Thanks for clarifying that habla/hablo thing...I'd been wondering about that for a while. And if you get to correct N419BH's grammar, I get to correct your formatting ;) you used one too many colons. And no hablo español (or Español, is it capitalized?). –dffgd 15:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
lol. I was wondering when my trusty stalker would comment. Yes, im very undecided :D... pero I think this one will stay... and español is not capitalized (and neither are days or the week, months.... mostly just names of people and stores/brands). hablo is a verb, not an adjective and therefore does not change according to gender. Hasta luego -Tommy! [message] 15:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
(←) Yeah, I stalk a lot...probably because not much goes on at my talk page. It's fun though :) –dffgd 16:51, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
start huggling! -Tommy! [message] 19:21, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
I did... –dffgd 19:48, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Need your help with a possible WP:BLP issue

Hi, Tommy. I need the timely assistance of a more experienced editor and I saw that you had made some recent edits. With this edit and this edit of the Bozdar article, 210.2.181.244 (talk · contribs) has added what appears to be a cel phone number. I've reverted the edits and posted warnings on the editor's talk page, however, I'm not sure if the specific edits should be delete/hidden to protect the cel phone's owner and, if so, how to go about requesting that. Thanks, in advance. -- Bgpaulus (talk) 19:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've raised the issue at WP:ANI. However, I've since been informed that these kinds of issues should be directed to oversight WP:RFO. N419BH 19:48, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) They've been removed now (by HJ Mitchell). –dffgd 19:57, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response, everyone (and sorry for hijacking your talk page for this, Tommy!). Just so I'm clear on the correct protocol, if I have another situation like this in the future, then I should post a request for the deletion of a specific revision of an article to WP:RFO and not WP:ANI, right? I assume that the same also applies to e-mail and snail-mail addresses. Cheers! -- Bgpaulus (talk) 20:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
You've got it. Go to WP:RFO and follow the instructions to e-mail them. N419BH 20:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your help everyone -Tommy! [message] 21:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Kashmiriyat

Last revision by IP 117.254.243.72 added content that is totally unrelevant to the page, contains gross POV and is not sufficiently qualified by relevant sources. It looks like a pamphlet more than an entry for an encyclopedia. I think that restoring version as edited by Bender235 at 14:08, 18 May 2010 is the best thing to do. Best regards.

checking. -Tommy! [message]
 Done... I don't see any major problems that makes me believe the text you removed should not be there. You might want to use the discussion page of the article to explain in more detail your reasons. Regards -Tommy! [message] 16:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

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one problem

Hi Tommy, I have one problem. I created page Boban Marjanović(player who joined PBC CSKA Moscow recently), but I don't know how to place him in CSKA Moscow roster, there is some Boban Marjanovć(in red word, which mean that wiki don't have page/article about him).

So that is the problem, someone wrong spelled his name when put him. Can you place Boban Marjanović(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boban_Marjanovi%C4%87) in CSKA's Roster(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBC_CSKA_Moscow)?

I really don't know how. Thanks!

Got it. :) You can redirect pages to another by using #REDIRECT [[ ]] with the page title in the brackets. cheers -Tommy! [message] 17:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
And there was a spelling error in the template. Templates are anything in {{ }} (not [[ ]]). To edit a template, search wikipedia with Template: with the title after the colon. Good luck -Tommy! [message] 17:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks man!

player picture

As you may know, I am new here. How to place player picture on his page(Boban Marjanović), I read everywhere but can't find out! Can you explain me and if you can, place this picture(http://www.eurocupbasketball.com/rs/19749/53bdc9d6-4bfa-4956-b91d-3326b4985f24/907/rglang/en-US/filename/boban-marjanovic-hemofarm-stada-final-eight-turin-2009.jpg) on Boban's page. Thanks for everything!

Pictures must be uploaded into Wikipedia. You cannot violate any copyright warnings, ie, do not use a random picture off Google. See WP:Copyright to learn about the copyright policy, and then go here: Special:Upload to actually upload a photo. -Tommy! [message] 17:45, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
That picture looks like it has a watermark, ie, some type of property to it. I'd advise against using that pic. -Tommy! [message] 17:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome (no, not "you're welcome")

I'm assuming you use a template for your welcomes such as AirWolf10's. Just letting you know it has a typo. –dffgd 19:54, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

There's no typo.. -Tommy! [message]
"You are welcome" Hence "You're welcome" is correct. N419BH 20:51, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm confused. you're welcome isn't in the template. -Tommy! [message] 20:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
idk, I was just saying it's "You're" not "Your"...no idea where it is in the template. N419BH 20:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Um, the section name is talking about "your welcome" (i.e. your welcome template). I added that in because it sounded like I was saying "You're welcome" to you. Anyway, see the quote for the typo. –dffgd 21:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
...Witty. N419BH 21:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm still confused. -Tommy! [message]
Forget the whole section name thing. There's a typo in your welcome template. It's in the quoted part. Now do you understand? –dffgd 21:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Nope. You can just fix it, i dont care. User:Tommy2010/welcome -Tommy! [message] 21:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
  • You spelled "people" as "poeple". Fixed. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
    • Well, fixed by dffgd; beat me by 1 minute. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:24, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict × 2) Well, you beat me to 2 replies... –dffgd 21:27, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
LOL whoops.. claro I've been in spain too long XD im losing ma english. gracias lol -Tommy! [message] 22:00, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Apologies - Defense

Hi there TOMMY, VASCO from Portugal here,

Excuse me for my antics which led to your message to my anon IP (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:217.129.65.5), i am facing serious anger management problems which need to be addressed.

However - and note that it does not justify my antics - this user Zombie433 has been treating WP like his personal website for far too long, not replying to ANY messages that are not sent in German, removing messages people sent, and refusing to engage in any "group" conversation whatsoever (please see this discussion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#User:Zombie433).

Again, i am sorry for any incovenience, keep up the good work - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you; replied on your talk. -Tommy! [message] 08:45, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Reminder

Hi! This message is just a friendly reminder that you signed up to participate in the GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive. I noticed that you haven't logged a single copy edit yet. We'd love to see you participate! I see you are not able to edit much lately, but the drive runs three more weeks so there's still plenty of time to earn barnstars. Thanks! --Diannaa (Talk) 22:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Ill try to do some today when I get free wifi. I'm sorry. :/ -Tommy! [message] 06:23, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Reply

I understand that you would be offended, at the time I had only seen an editor revert an edit that I didn't think was blatant vandalism as Colbert holds a doctorate from Knox College. The doctorate is in fine arts - indeed he has the postnomials D.F.A. as a result. Don't worry about it, sometime these things happen, I'm sure that the vast majority of your edits are constructive and revert real vandalism. Originally that detail was supposed to have been in the first line of the article(leading me to be flabbergasted!), but was removed by anon editing a while back... Happy Editing! Outback the koala (talk)

Understood. But I never said that edit was vandalism. If I had used regular Rollback, then it's safe to assume I thought it was; Twinkle, I almost never use it for vandalism. Thanks -Tommy! [message] 08:20, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

An outside opinion requested

Can you review the differences between these two versions [1] and make whatever edits are appropriate to bring the article closer to our standards. Thanks! Active Banana (talk) 17:52, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

done. Just some advice, you might want to tone down the warnings on new users/IPs. -Tommy! [message] 20:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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GOCE Newsletter

GOCE July 2010 backlog elimination drive chart

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive! We have now passed the halfway point, so here's an update.

Progress Report - Progress toward the targets has been good. 751 articles out of the approximately 1,600 we would like to get completed by the end of the month were done by July 15, so we will be very close to meeting the target for volume. However, we would like to clear all of the 2008 articles from the backlog, and there are still 892 left to do. Please consider choosing one of these older articles when looking for something to copy edit. If we focus our firepower we can completely wipe out 2008 from the queue.

Participation Report - 95 people signed up for the July drive. This is a great result compared to May, when we had 36. However, in May only one person that signed up didn't do any copy edits, and in July only 59 of the 95 have posted any copy edits on the big board.

The task may seem insurmountable but please remember that if all 95 participants copy edit just one article a day from now until the end of the month, we will eliminate 1,300 more articles from the backlog. So please consider participating at whatever level you can! All contributions are appreciated.

This newsletter was prepared for the GOCE by Diannaa (Talk), S Masters (talk), and The Raptor Let's talk.

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Hi Tommy2010!

Hey Tommy2010, I noticed you have been patrolling for vandalism. Keep up the good work, but I notice some of your vandalism removals are not complete; there might be lingering vandalism made by earlier edits by the vandal or by others which do not get reverted. If you sense that the earlier revision looks vandalised, that means that there might be earlier vandalism not removed and you should use the history function of Huggle to search for the latest clean revision. Have a good day! Optakeover(Talk) 11:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I try to when I see it, I may miss some. Keep up the good work as well. -Tommy! [message] 11:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Wondering

Are you still in Spain? Your userpage indicates as such. Is/was it nice? You're still editing from abroad. You are no doubt a Wikipediholic, T. 2D ℳaestro Dribble/Scribble 18:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Free wifi. Ya it's nice, a bit sick of speaking Spanish but it's nice. Tommy! [message] 18:58, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Aha! I was wondering why I hadn't seen you at WP:AIV recently. Welcome back, and how did the studying go? TFOWR 11:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Aw that's nice of you. Actually I'm still here for another week but I figured everyone (guess not lol) already knew so I removed it. Schools good, learning mucho español, meeting people.. really enjoying Europe. I wish I could go north to your neck of the woods but I cant. :( .. or even France (but I guess that's okay cuz there are still some killer croissants here anyway!) (: Tommy! [message] 16:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I never pay much attention to userpages or talkpages - only to diffs! So I noticed the recent change, but must have missed the original one!
I wouldn't recommend heading North - Scotland's not nearly as nice as I imagine Spain to be right now! If you head anywhere head to WP:AIV - but enjoy the Spanish weather first! TFOWR 16:49, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Hehe :D bueno, amigo, bueno. Tommy! [message] 16:57, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Sip, disfruta el calor español mi amigo! ;) Diego Grez what's up? 16:58, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Te diría lo mismo pero ya lo sé es el invierno ahí :p Tommy! [message] 20:45, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) No puedo creer que he entendido lo que has dicho.... (sorry if I worded that wrong, my Spanish is extremely shaky) The Raptor Let's talk/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 15:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

very good! :) has, not ha.. unless i'm an usted to you... pendejo. jk jk Tommy! [message] 16:06, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

*munch*

The Utahraptor has eaten your {{cookie}}! The cookie made them happy and they'd like to give you a great big hug for donating it. Spread the WikiLove by giving out more {{cookie}}s, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Thanks again!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat a cookie with {{subst:munch}}!

¡Gracias! The Raptor Let's talk/My mistakes; I mean, er, contributions 22:24, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Yup

Yup, I sure am )enjoying my summer), same to you! Herostratus (talk) 05:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Well caught...

...here. I wonder what vandals really hope to achieve with edits like this? I wonder if it's just curiosity? Anyway, ¡Gracias! TFOWR 15:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

hell if I know... Tommy! [message] 16:28, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

RE: 145.99.131.226

Regarding your message on my talk page, you are correct. However the real Willy on Wheels operates via proxies (which this was not) and speedily drops his garbage into a dozen articles per minute (while this was a single edit). Regards, — Kralizec! (talk) 16:17, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Understood. I just figured it's a troll and there's no point in wasting time with warnings for such users, real or wannabe. Tommy! [message] 16:27, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello :)

Hi Tommy,

In fact that's not the first time a contributor of the English Wikipedia let a kind message on my talk page, welcoming me and invinting me to create an account, but I'm afraid that would be useless : I am French and my English is quite bad. With the pending system English-speaking contributors can correct me if I make grammatical faults or anything ... So I think I cannot contribute enough to English Wikipedia to deserve an account ... But maybe I'm wrong ... What do you think about it ? 92.156.228.104 (talk) 17:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

n'êtez-vous pas ridicule! yes, make an account! Tommy! [message] 17:44, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I concur, ironically. Make an account. 67.136.117.132 (talk) 17:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I know, of course :) Celyndel (talk) 17:48, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Oh I am sooo stupid : my French username also works in English Wikipedia ! I'm sooo ashamed ^^ Here is my count : Celyndel (talk) 17:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
lol ya, I was going to tell you that... If I didn't have 3 edit conflicts. Tommy! [message] 17:51, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for the edit conflict. :) Do you know where I could find a page which could help me to create my page, to say people that I'm French with a box for example ? Celyndel (talk) 17:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Maybe something like this: {{UsersSpeak|fr|French|Ces utilisateurs parlent '''français'''.}} on your page? 67.136.117.132 (talk) 18:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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Murray

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/8860446.stm

Murray sacked him this evening..

Ya, I'll change the wording. Tommy! [message] 19:54, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism problem

Hey, I am the user who "owns" User:Jack Schlederer. I think I forgot to log in. Sorry about that! 75.9.152.242 (talk) 20:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

okie doke. Tommy! [message] 20:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Xerography vs. Electrophotography

First the original article refers specifically to the Xerox product:

"digital presses such as Xerox iGen3 and Xeikon presses"

This constitutes direct commercial promotion.

Second, you will not find any of the other players in this space (Canon, Kodak, HP... ) referring to the technology as "Xerography." Xerox is the only company that uses that terminology (with the obvious tie back to their corporate identity).

Refer to "American Printer" at: http://americanprinter.com/your-turn/Deprez-inkjet-72008/ or an industrial report at:

http://www.pira-international.com/the-future-of-colour-electrophotographic-printing-to-2015.aspx

This is certainly not an act of vandalism, but an attempt to use the generic, non-commercial, term for this technology.

Thank you

Replied on your talk. Tommy! [message] 15:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

This guy.

I don't believe you can delete your own talk page, especially if it has records of vandal warns or a block. I mean this user: [2] Back me up? AIV? Allmightyduck  What did I do wrong? 16:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

replied on your talk Tommy! [message]
(talk page stalker) Also replied there dffgd talk·edits 16:36, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:68.0.184.52

I've reported them. Almost the entirety of this IP's history is removing references from random articles. HalfShadow 16:54, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you-- im bringing it to ANI now. I think it may be a troll or banned user-- by their use of edit summaries, but I just want to see if this is known or not. Tommy! [message] 16:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Noticed your comments at ANI. The IP is not actually using an edit summary. They are opening a section of the page, making an edit then saving it with the default summary. You get one every time you edit a section, see here where you did it on your talk page. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 10:49, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Ah okay.. muchas gracias Tommy! [message]

Happy Tommy2010's Day!

Tommy2010 has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
so I've officially declared today as Tommy2010's Day!
For being an great person and awesome Wikipedian,
enjoy being the star of the day, Tommy2010!

Signed, Neutralhomer

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, click here. Have a Great Day...Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:03, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thank you! Tommy! [message] 06:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
For someone who has had 52,000+ edits since February, I am surprised you didn't get a day earlier. You're Welcome! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Re:WP:AIV reports

I'm assuming that message was a mistake on your part given that you have reverted it. Anyway, I made no such comments; a case of mistaken identity? Quasihuman (talk) 11:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Yup, thanks. Tommy! [message] 11:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Cuisine française

Hello Tommy ! I have already worked a little more on this section, but I'm out of inspiration ... If you want to add new informations, don't hesitate. I think you could also read this paragraph and correct my possible vocabulary/grammar/style errors. Let me a message when you could. Bye ! :) Celyndel (talk) 12:36, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Celyndell. I've made some changes, overall great job. The only thing I'd say is avoid typing ... in articles. Thanks for your contributions :) Tommy! [message] 21:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
In fact, I've worked on the entire article those days, for instance here is the article before I worked on it : I've had some 150 references. I think that someone should check he entire article to correct the faults, but more important is the creation of a section on Education. I think it's the only thing missing for a GA or Featured Article nomination. Could you do that ? I'm afraid it would be a too specific vocabulary for me. Celyndel (talk) 08:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Sure! Tommy! [message]

Protected your userpage for 3 months

Heya, I have protected your userpage again as it was vandalised within hours of the old protection dropping off. If you want the protection shortened or removed, just drop me a note and i'll do so. Happy editing, --Taelus (Talk) 08:03, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

okay, thank you Tommy! [message] 16:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Tommy2010. You have new messages at The Utahraptor's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Dffgd's talk page. dffgd talk·edits 20:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Plaza Mayor, Salamanca

Very nice article! I'm surprised there was no article about it already, considering its status as a World Heritage site. One thing: are you sure the title is correct to the MoS for placenames? 2D ℳaestro Dribble/Scribble 01:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks 2D, I was surprised too, Yes because I based it on other plazas, such as Plaza Mayor, Madrid and Plaza Mayor, Valladolid. Tommy! [message] 06:38, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
PS. I edited the page by adding [[Category:Spanish architecture]]. Is the category of Architecture alone still necessary? 2D ℳaestro Dribble/Scribble 12:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Prob not. Thanks 2D Tommy! [message] 13:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

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History of Slavery

Hi Tommy, thanks for your recent edit patrol of History of slavery. I agree with keeping the content the IP wanted deleted, but I need to let you know that what the IP is doing does not appear to be vandalism to me. The IP has a particular POV (claiming that Germanic people weren't involved), and has questioned the reliability of the sources in a discussion post on Talk:History of slavery. Perhaps the IP is being tendentious and may not be following NPOV, but that is not vandalism. Please be careful when using the word, and try to assume good faith regarding anonymous editors; the IP may believe they are improving the article and may be open to discussion. Again, thanks for keeping watch over the article.

-- Joren (talk) 01:10, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

This is vandalism. I have no idea how it could be seen otherwise; at the bare minimum, it's disruptive editing, and they got blocked for it. It was sourced, and I do AGF and it's a bit of a pet peeve when people tell me to do it, more than I already do. Thanks, Tommy! [message] 01:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to touch a nerve. Absolutely, what the IP did was disruptive editing, and it's a good thing they got blocked, but that's still not vandalism. If you haven't already, I would encourage you to read the section WP:NOTVAND. Forgive me if it seems like semantics, but there is a difference between someone spraypainting Wikipedia and someone disruptively POV pushing - they're both bad, but the remedies are different. -- Joren (talk) 01:35, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Not really. You rollback unhelpful edits, (whatever reason it may be) and warn appropriately. Easy. We throw the word "vandalism" around way too much here. Tommy! [message] 01:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

NO TOMMY

I did not make a change to aircraft livery

WP:WHY Tommy! [message]
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