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August 25[edit]

Pulling distribution of articles based on infobox parameter[edit]

Does anyone know of a tool or other method short of a bot request that would pull the quartiles of articles in a category based on an infobox parameter? I'm thinking of something like seeing what the distribution of schools by enrollment would be in Category:Universities and colleges in California based on the |undergrad = parameter in the infobox. Or the distribution of businesses in Category:Companies based in California based on | revenue=. -Optigan13 (talk) 00:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry that no one seems to have an answer. You might try Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), as the question might be better answered by the people that hang out there.--SPhilbrickT 12:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect US Congressional District map[edit]

File:AZ-districts-109-02.jpg has an error in it: 3 of the districts in the small map are numbered incorrectly. I realize this image is pulled directly from a public-domain government website, and obviously that site is the source of the error. Short of calling up someone at the Department of the Interior, does anyone have a suggestion for how to fix the image currently on Wikipedia? Oughgh (talk) 01:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

If you have a different reliable source with the correctly numbered districts, the best thing to do would be to contact the editor who uploaded the map, and show him the sources and ask him to fix it. The person who actually created it likely has the original maps saved on his own computer, and it would be a trivial correction to make. --Jayron32 02:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Evinrude Out Board Motor Repair[edit]

How do you adjust Idle speed on a 1990 Evinrude 100HP Outboard Motor —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

While we have an article about Evinrude Outboard Motors, as an encyclopedia Wikipedia doesn't include how-to instructions (see What Wikipedia Is Not). You could ask at our reference desks, or use a search engine like Google to locate an instructions resource. Gonzonoir (talk) 08:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Is there not a difference between "free references" and the "only reference" not being viewable?[edit]
I caught this exchange that left a reference in an article that can only be viewed by someone with a paid subscription,
and therefore can only be verified by someone who holds a paid subscription.
There is a relatively fair size chunk of information added to this article based on this one unviewable reference.
Does someone know off hand if this violates policy?? GabrielVelasquez (talk) 05:51, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Including material cited to a subscriber-only resource doesn't violate policy: paid-for (and indeed offline) sources are perfectly acceptable, as long as it would be possible to verify them. If you want to check what the source says, you could ask whether someone at the WP Resource Exchange can help. Gonzonoir (talk) 08:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
As Gonzonoir says, this is perfectly valid for a reference. The reference is verifiable by someone with a subscription. It is in the same way that a reference citing a newspaper or a book is valid, even though not every reader would necessarily have access to the newspaper or book. If it exists, is reliable, and can be verified, it is suitable as a reference. May I point out that quite often I have found that news references that I find are only available on a subscription or pay-per-view basis. Although not every one has a subscription, there will be some editors/readers who would have. If you have doubts that the reference actually contradicts (or at least does not fully back up) what is in the article, this should be discussed on the article's talk page. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 09:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


I wanted to add an image to the Stussy article's infobox. I have not been able to find an appropriately licensed image in commons or flickr and have not had anything from Stussy to snap a pic of in over a decade. The website just recently went down (I think they are launching something new) but it has their logo. I also found a better siced one here. A fair use rational could easily be created (I think) for use of the logo but I wasn't sure the best way or from where to pull a clean copy. The bitmap gets weird when pulling fromt he official site and I assume pulling fromt he blog site is not OK. Any thoughts?Cptnono (talk) 07:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

If you can find a suitable image to use from their website (see Google image search), then contact them (as per Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission) using either the contact details at Stussy Legal Info or - Contact Us. As their legal page states "Stussy vigorously protects its trademarks.", it might be best to make sure that we get permission to use it - I'm not sure fair use would be allowed! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Fair use is rationale for us not being able to find permission when it is more than aesthetic. Regardless of that, editors can show some balls and send a quick email. Thanks for the reminder. I'll shoot a quick message to see what they are doing logo wise (this is especially important if they are doing rebranding) and reserve FUR if they don't want to go for it.Cptnono (talk) 10:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Difference between Studio and Distributor[edit]

I have been recently creating new articles on musical films but i am a bit confused with the template. Please can someone explain the difference between "studio" and "distributor". Thanks.--Coin945 (talk) 08:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The studio is often also the distributor. I would assume that the distribution parameter would be left out of the infobox unless it is a separate entity. I suppose it could be duplicated in the field but that seems redundant.Cptnono (talk) 08:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
See also Film distributor. The studio parameter is the company that produced the film. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) As Cptnono says, normally they are the same. Generally, the studio would be better referred to as the Production company - the company that made the film. The distributor is an independent company, a subsidiary company or occasionally an individual, which acts as the final agent between a film production company or some intermediary agent, and a film exhibitor, to the end of securing placement of the producer's film on the exhibitor's screen (to quote from Film distributor). For the major studios, the distributor is the subsidiary company of the studio. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Adding copyright information to an image[edit]

I created an image, which I have added to an article. It has been deleted as it doesn't have the correct "copyright" information.

How can I add this to an existing image?

Nottageek (talk) 08:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Which image is it? If you refer to a scan of the cover of a magazine (as in File:0906cover.jpg), you are not the copyright owner of the magazine - you may have scanned it, but you are not the creator of it.
Magazine covers are copyrighted to the organization publishing the magazine (and individual photos on a cover are copyrighted to either the photographer or the person who paid for the photograph). I am not an expert on copyright, but I thought I should mention this. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
PhantomSteve's advice is correct, but I read your question a little differently. As I read it, you seem to be aware that you don't own the copyright, but perhaps think the requirement is to properly add the copyright information. Wikipedia does not permit the use of images under copyright, with some fairly narrow exceptions for fair use. If you own the copyright, and can provide a license which would permit it to be included, but that doesn't apply here.--SPhilbrickT 12:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Starting a new wiki, want to copy some content.[edit]

I'm starting a new wiki so we can go in depth into certain subjects. I want to copy some articles from Wikipedia along with the templates the articles use. Is there a better way to do it rather than just find it, create the page on my wiki, copy the source across etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you read Wikipedia:Database download? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
No, but it's not what I was looking for. I just wanted specific pages. I used Special:Export and got what I wanted. Have to upload images manually though and I cant figure out how to upload the .svg images. Wont seem to let me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
If you are talking about something like a mirror site, please see your obligations in reusing Wikipedia content as well. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 14:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
If you can't upload SVG files to your wiki, and if it runs the MediaWiki software, you may need to adjust this value in your LocalSettings.php file: mw:Manual:$wgFileExtensions. As far as I know, there is no efficient way to mass copy and upload media files from Wikipedia or Commons. And see Commons:Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia. --Teratornis (talk) 20:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
aah thanks. Just need to get them to render properly now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:04, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Rules on setting up a page[edit]

Hi there I am relatively new to this whole internet thing and have been using your site for a while now but have only just become a member. Please could you tell me what things can and can not be put on wikipedia, I mean are there rules that stop me from putting myself onto the website? I have just always fancied seeing my name on wikipedia!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dino billington (talkcontribs) 09:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

You cant write about yourself sorry, unless you're someone famous/really important that people would be looking for you here. Otherwise everyone would write about themselves! You can write about yourself on your User Page though. Click your name at the top right of the page to get to it. (talk) 09:17, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
See more at Wikipedia:User page and Wikipedia:Autobiography. Article subjects should satisfy Wikipedia:Notability or one of the subject-specific guidelines. Some of the key policies about what can be added to articles are Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Dino billington... your name is on Wikipedia now! Seriously, unless you are a notable person, then you would not meet the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. If you are notable, then you would need to request an article to be written about yourself, as you would have a conflict of interest.
As to what can be put on Wikipedia, may I suggest that you read the welcome message placed on your talk page by Tim Song. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


Yesterday I edited the section on 'Need' in Wikipedia. For some time the following messaage had been in place: 'This article is in need of attention from an expert on the subject. Please help recruit one or improve this article yourself.' Since I have written extensively on the subject I decided to past in some new content. However, it appears at the very beginning of the Need page, before the Contents box, which looks odd, and it has not been related to the existing content, which needs editing. I'm not sure whose repsonsibility it is to restructure the page. Gougle (talk) 10:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I have reverted your good faith edit. If the material is relevant to the article, it needs to be put within the article, not added as a chunk of text above the current article. I do not know enough about the subject to know for sure, but your text struck me as being original research. If it is not, I apologise, but the text needs to be inserted into the relevant sections of the current article. If you want to add the text, it is your responsibility to restructure the page as you put it. I have placed a welcome message on your talk page with useful links to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for creating/editing articles. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me after reading those! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 11:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

trying to add links to page,[edit]

Hi, I'm trying to add links to this page marked as an orphan,

however I don't seem to be able to get wiki to recognize the links I have added as it still claims no articles point to it. The links I added however are complete url's because trying to insert the disambig name makes a mess or the rendered article. What should a link to this article look like to preserve the rendered text? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerdseeksblonde (talkcontribs) 11:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Your mistake is in adding the complete URL in the links to the articles, instead, just type the article name between: "[[" and "]]". This will produce a link to the article, so for instance: [[Virtual State (physics)]] will produce: Virtual State (physics). Finally we want to get rid of the "(physics)" part of the link, so we do this: [[Virtual State (physics)|Virtual State]] which looks like this: Virtual State. The first part is what the link links to, and the second part is how it displays. For more information see: Help:Linking. Or just ask here again and someone can explain it in more detail, hope this helps, if not just say, thanks SpitfireTally-ho! 11:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Links of the format you need are called piped links - I just converted the one you added to Fluorescence spectroscopy in this diff, if you need a reference. Gonzonoir (talk) 11:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Interlanguage links and cultural differences[edit]

The reason for my question: In the cellar scene in Inglourious Basterds we see the German soldiers playing Wer bin ich? (Who am I?). In English comments on that scene, the game is usually called 20 Questions. But in Wer bin ich?, one usually asks questions till the first "No" and then turns over to the next one - as long as all players (or all but the loser) have guessed their names. There is no restriction in the total number of questions. Thus, this game is not 20 questions, even though using a similar principle. But there is no game closer to 20 questions in German-speaking Europe (afaik, at least).

So: Would it be right or wrong to place interlanguage links between Twenty questions and de:Wer bin ich?, and is there a general rule how to treat cultural differences like these? --KnightMove (talk) 11:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Based on your description I would say the articles are currently a little to far apart for interlanguage links, but you could fix that by adding a mention of the German game (and other international versions if you know them) to Twenty questions. My language Danish has "Tyve spørgsmål til professoren" (English: Twenty questions to the professor) which is like Twenty questions, but there is no Danish Wikipedia article about it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Flagged Revisions[edit]

Who are the "senior editors" who must approve flagged revisions when the trial launches? -- ConnorJack (talk) 12:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It isn't about senior editors and trials. It is about the project that is Wikipedia. I can show you several essays and guidelines that assert this so if you really care that much let me know and thou shall receive. If you want to make a point that is OK too since we all need to vent sometimes.Cptnono (talk) 12:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
ConnorJack is referring to Wikipedia:Flagged protection and patrolled revisions/Trial. See Wikipedia:Flagged protection and patrolled revisions. See Wikipedia:Reviewers. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:17, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey ConnorJack, be more straight forward then.Cptnono (talk) 12:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Cptnono: We're here to help them, not to have them help us, heh heh SpitfireTally-ho! 12:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Language Templates[edit]

Good day!

Looking in some pages, the language template Template:Lang-''language ISO' will result to a link of the language plus the name in italics.

Thus, the template:

{lang-fil|Republika ng Pilipinas}

will result to:

Filipino: Republika ng Pilipinas

However, i cannot make the same even if I used all the possible ISO codes for Ilocano. As there are a lot of articles abaout the Philippines that are connected with the Ilocanos, i hope someone can help me with this.

Please contact me. Thank you very much. Jayzl Nebre-Villfania (talk) 13:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I have changed {{Lang-ilo}} to be similar to {{Lang-fil}}. Is that OK? PrimeHunter (talk) 14:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Is there a wikipedia suggestions page?[edit]

If not there should be.Accdude92 (talk) (sign) 13:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

What do mean by suggestions page? Ideas for new articles? New software features? A new guideline? There isn't one unified suggestions page on Wikipedia. Though Wikipedia:Suggestions redirects to Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals), that isn't the best location for all suggestions. Could you be more specific? Xenon54 (talk) 13:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Like a page for ideas to help wikipedia be a better place. (ie new features, features to remove, new rules etc)Accdude92 (talk) (sign) 13:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The village pump is usually the best place to make proposals. It's divided into several subsections, including policy, proposals, and technical. TNXMan 13:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
(e/c) Ideas for new features should go to Bugzilla. (Editors at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) can help you with Bugzilla.) New policy proposals should go to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). I guess you can post pretty much any other proposal at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Xenon54 (talk) 13:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Moving an article under beta.[edit]

I'm running the beta version of Wikipedia (or the monobook skin, I can't tell), and I can't find anywhere to WP:Move an article. I checked the WP:Move page and it does not include instructions for moving an article under the Beta. Any help? Mac Davis (talk) 13:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Mouse over the arrow next to "View history". A drop-down will appear, and the first option is "Move". Xenon54 (talk) 13:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Homework Help[edit]

Where could I get some homework help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Accdude92 (talkcontribs) 13:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

You can't. Not in Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Do your own homework. You can however, look for what you want in our articles. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 13:51, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Well, generally, we won't do your homework for you. However, the volunteers at the reference desk can help you if you are stuck on a concept and probably give you pointers to get started. TNXMan 13:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
(e/c*2) It's Reference desk policy not to do editors' homework for them. If you show evidence that you have attempted to do your homework, and are stuck at a specific point, then and only then will the reference desk volunteers try to help you. Xenon54 (talk) 13:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Actually, you can. If you attempt it yourself and get stuck, the appropriate ref desk will try to assist - but they won't do it for you. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 13:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I just thought that wikipedia was a place to learn things? If not, I think there should be an entire new wikipedia for homework help. *Note that I did not say DOING our homework, but HELPING when stuck.Accdude92 (talk) (sign) 13:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Please calm down. If you actually read the above four replies, you would have learned that the Reference desk volunteers are happy to help - but only if you have made it clear that you have attempted the homework and gotten stuck. Xenon54 (talk) 13:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
My apologies if my reply gave a wrong impression. But if you had read the link provided, you would understand what we do what we don't. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 14:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

lol i wasn't mad. Just using all caps for emphasis.Accdude92 (talk) (sign) 14:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

As others have said, the reference desk can help with not do your homework. However, most teachers I know tend to tell their students to either not use Wikipedia (as there can be errors in the articles), or to use it alongside other reference materials (such as books). If you have tried to do the homework, and are stuck on a particular point, the Ref Desk folks can guide you to the right section of Wikipedia for you to read! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 14:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
You can also search Wikipedia or the Web for words or phrases in your homework. As more and more of the world's relevant information finds its way online, your ability to look up answers to questions on your own will increasingly determine your effectiveness at whatever you end up doing after you leave school. In addition to the software search tools, there are many online communities with people who will answer questions for free, and your ability to get answers from them is directly a function of your ability to ask questions the smart way. It's a shame that schools don't seem to be teaching students how to use the Internet yet - that would be one of the most valuable skills a school could teach. But I suppose teachers would have to know how to look stuff up online before they could teach the students. --Teratornis (talk) 18:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Correcting a name - is that considered major or minor edit?[edit]

I noticed when looking up someone's bio that his son's name had a III after it. From personal conversation with that particular person I know that the III is not a part of his name since his middle name is different from that of his famous father who is a Jr. So that leads to 2 questions: 1) is changing the name considered a major or minor edit and 2)how exactly would I go about making a change since the intricacies of Wiki edits still eludes me! Thanks Hydrangean (talk) 14:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC) Hydrangean

Minor.Accdude92 (talk) (sign) 14:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Which article is this about? Personal conversation is original research. If reliable sources usually say III then so should Wikipedia. We don't have to use real names if another name is better known. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
(e/c)It depends on context whether the edit is major or minor - if there are sources for the current form, changing the name might actually be quite a significant edit. If you let us know which article you're considering, we might be able to give better advice. This leads me to the answer to the second part of your question: the article you are editing probably has an "Edit" link at the very top of the screen - if you click on that, you'll see an editable version of the article. (If you can't find one, it's possible the article is protected: let us know which article, if that's the case, so we can advise you on what to try next. Before you edit, though, it's a good idea to find a source that demonstrates that the name is as you say it is: personal conversations are very hard to verify, which is a cornerstone of Wikipedia policy. I'll drop some links on your talkpage explaining all these things a little better. Gonzonoir (talk) 14:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Such an edit is unlikely to be minor, and this is something that should be added with a reference (does the article in question have a reference for this, btw?). Minor edits are not judged by the amount of data added/removed/changed. It is judged by the impact it will have on the article. Any change in facts or information given in the article is not minor, unless it is fixing an obvious error etc (see WP:MINOR). ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 14:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The article in question is the bio for Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr., the publisher of the New York Times. His son's name is Arthur Gregg Sulzberger. As his son explained to me, he is NOT the III since his middle name is different from his father's and grandfather's. As far as verifiable sources go, all the son's published articles just list his name as A.G. Sulzberger and there are many of them! Hydrangean (talk) 15:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC) Hydrangean
Actually, if there is no reference for the III at the end either than THAT is original research as well, and should likely be removed. Since it appears that the son self-identifies without the III, you should be well justified in removing it. If, perchance, someone objects, be prepared with actual examples of his own usage of his own name., such as published articles and the like. --Jayron32 15:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
As this article points out [1] suffixes like "Junior" (and maybe or maybe not suffixes of Roman numerals) do not require the same middle name. However, there seems to be no legalistic rule on the matter, it's more a matter of usage, and is flexible depending on how a family choses to use it. In short, Jayron has it right - its validity or lack thereof depends on reliable sources. If there is no public record of the matter, then the "III" has to go. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 06:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Why was Family data removed from right column summary block for all people on Wikipedia?[edit]

Family data removed from right column summary block

Did you do a global change that removed the spouse/family data from all pages? It does not appear anywhere even on pages it used to.....

If yes, can you explain why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:22, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Since this is a question about Wikipedia, this is probably a better question for the Help Desk —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you point to a specific article where this happened? TNXMan 15:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The "right column summary block" is called an infobox. Most biographies use {{Infobox Person}}. Articles such as William Hillcourt and Arthur Rudolph show show spouse, children and parents. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
There has been no global change and spouse appears on a huge number of articles so we really need an example if you want to know why it disappeared there. Wikipedia has hundreds of thousands of biographies. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Iota Lambda Pi Fraternity Incorporated[edit]

Greetings Wikipedia staff,

My name is Sallie Johnson and I am a member of Iota Lambda Pi fraternity. I recently looked up my organization through your site and noticed that our page has been deleted. As President and Grand Chapter member, what do I need to do to get our information back on your site? Our fraternity was the very first of it's kind and it is only right that we be apart of this much informational site. So please help me.. Thank you for your time and patience. <blanked>

Bruh Genesis Grand Chapter President/CEO Membership —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

In order to be on Wikipedia you should make sure your organization is notable (see WP:N and WP:ORG). Kotiwalo (talk) 15:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC).
I also checked the name of the article and the deletion reason was that there was no content. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and there has to be content apart from, say, links elsewhere. Kotiwalo (talk) 15:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
If you refer to Iota Lambda Pi then it had no content whatsoever except the link If you mean another page then please give the exact name. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Top Aces Consulting[edit]

Top Aces Consulting is now actually called Top Aces Incorporated. How do we change this fact in the title of the article?

Thank you, BrittanyPaterson (talk) 16:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Try Moving the article--Notedgrant (talk) 16:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. ceranthor 16:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

How do you Place the green resolved check into a post?[edit]

Resolved: :) Tim Song (talk) 17:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Accdude92 (talk) (sign) 17:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

{{resolved}} Tim Song (talk) 17:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Place {{resolved}} on the page. It transcludes Template:Resolved. hmwitht 17:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

What Vandal tag to use for...[edit]


ceranthor 19:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

This user? He vandalised The Onion and Crittenden-Johnson Resolution articles, Not first example of Vandalism.----occono I'll replace my (poor taste, I know) joke on his talk page with the warning. (talk) 19:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

{{uw-error1}}. ceranthor 19:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I'd use (actually, I used) 4im. He evidently knows the rules. But, in light of the suggestion of the far more experienced editor above, I'd use {{uw-error2}} at the very least. He's got some welcomes already. Tim Song (talk) 19:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Splitting a split article further[edit]

I originally split List of Amiga games into three subarticles, because it was growing too long. But now it looks like it needs even further splitting, because one of the subarticles is already over 30 kilobytes and another is nearly that long. Otherwise I'd know how to split the article further, but it has been interwikied to the French Wikipedia, with the exact same splitting criteria. How would I go along splitting the article further? Can I somehow avoid making any changes to the French Wikipedia? JIP | Talk 19:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

: I'm not sure if there is a simple way of changing the split to a 4-way split (without copying-and-pasting a lot) - but however it is done, you don't need to worry about the French Wikipedia. Although they are part of the overall Wikipedia project, they make their own decisions about how to layout such articles. If we change the article on the English Wikipedia, then that does not directly affect the French one - if you remove the interwiki links. When you have completed the re-structuring, then perhaps you could re-interwiki link? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 20:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Ignore that... I must pay more attention to what people ask! My advice would be to remove the [[Fr:xxxx]] links, restructure the article's subarticles, and then redo the Fr links with the correct divisions. Hopefully, I've read what you wrote properly this time, and answered it properly! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 20:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Speaking for myself only, I don't think alphabetical index pages should follow the same size rules as articles, since articles are meant for reading from start to finish, whereas an index page is for random access. Few people would want to read an entire index page; they most likely just want to look up one or a few specific entries. I wouldn't even have recommended the first split. When I refer to an index page, I often search it with Ctrl+F, which becomes more effective as the index page includes more of the alphabet. That is, it would be easier to search the list of Amiga games if they were all on one page. The Editor's index to Wikipedia, for example, currently stands at 272 kilobytes, and there is no thought of splitting it yet. Splitting it would make is less useful as a reference for looking things up, because the keyword I might remember to look something up might start with a different letter than where the something appears in the index. In other words, alphabetical drill-down is not the only way of searching an index page, and is often not the most effective method. --Teratornis (talk) 20:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Postscript - perhaps you should make the changes to the article, and then ask someone on one of the WikiProjects to help move it to I don't know if there's a specific project that would deal with that side of things? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 20:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest: Writing for an employer, from a neutral point of view[edit]

I am looking to write a string of articles related to my employer's recent endeavors, including a TV show. I will be using secondary resources, and have no issue with opening the article up to editing and review. I imagine it should be no issue for me to write from a neutral point of view, intending to post only facts and no promotional items.

Is there any way to create these articles and still comply with Wikipedia's COI documents?


SarahGemini11 (talk) 21:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)SarahSarahGemini11 (talk) 21:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

As long as the articles are written using a neutral point of view, using reliable sources, there should be no problems. Be warned however, that it can be hard to do so, if you have a potential Conflict of Interest. The guidelines on COI aren't to prevent people contributing, but to ensure that they are aware of the possible problems, and what Wikipedia looks for in its articles. Also, it wouldn't harm if you left a message on the articles' talk pages explaining your connection with the subject. Alternatively, you could always request an article to be written, giving a neutral editor the information, along with reliable, independent sources of information. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 21:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The safest path is to avoid potential conflict of interest altogether. If there's no page for a given subject, it's possible to propose a new page and let other editors have at it. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 06:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Or it least there used to be. Now I can't find it. Or did I dream it? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 06:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requested articles is what you seek. --Stephen 22:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you block people from editing your page?[edit]

I was just wondering if you can block people from editing your personal page. If so how?

MattC13 (talk) 21:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

If there is a specific person vandalising your talk page, then you can report them at Incidents page, but as a rule, user pages aren't protected per se. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 21:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Not true. My user page is indefinitely semi-protected because of incessant vandalism. But generally a page won't be protected just to be protected - there has to be a reason. Xenon54 (talk) 21:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I did say "generally" - there are times (such as your page) when it can happen, but in this case, the vandalism to MattC13's page is very low key, and there have only been a total of 11 edits on his page, 7 by him, 1 by a 'bot, and 3 "vandalism" items. Obviously, MattC13 isn't happy about it, but he remedied it himself, and there looked to be insufficient grounds for any kind of protection on his page, hence my advice. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 22:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Using an image from the Italian Wikipedia[edit]

I would like to use an image that was uploaded to the Italian Wikipedia for an article in the English Wikipedia. Unfortunately, this image was not uploaded to Wikimedia Commons so I cannot use it in an article as-is. I can't contact the uploader of the image because I don't know Italian. What should I do to be able to use this image?-Schnurrbart (talk) 21:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It appears to be in the public domain, so just download it and upload it here (It should probably be moved to Commons too, I wouldn't know how.)----occono (talk) 21:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to go further, but I can link to it like this [[:it:file:Colonna tevere.jpg]] which gives it:file:Colonna tevere.jpg. Can anyone go any further than that? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 21:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I think it would have be uploaded either locally or to Commons in order to be actually embedded. Xenon54 (talk) 22:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I've uploaded it to commons: [[File:Colonna_tevere.jpg]] (I've used the |thumb to reduce it here:
Colonna tevere.jpg
-- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 22:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. I will add it to the article right now.-Schnurrbart (talk) 22:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

add Fulton Ross to list of Black artists[edit]

How do I add the name of artist Fulton Ross to the listed Black Artist in Wikipedia? The artist was born in Boston, Massachusetts in 1947 and has worked as a career committed professional artist for over forty years.------ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fultonross (talkcontribs) 21:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Unless you appear in reliable sources to prove that you are notable, the answer is no, sorry. Xenon54 (talk) 22:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I need help giving help.[edit]

Although she shouldn't have left her email on pages, I ended up emailing Neva Gilbert about her Wikipedia article. She wants to add info about her still being a working, if "on Hiatus" actor and member of SAG.

She has asked "Dear Anthony, I have spoken to Joe Franklin about my Playboy centerfold. I have done some off , off broadway theater in the last few years. Not since the late 90's. But it's just lately i found out some information being on wiki. As I said I am a working actor , As the say "On Hiatus'. I still belong to SAG and AFTRA since 1952. What else can I say(write)? Neva"

What should I say? I replied she should add info to her article that she thinks would be helpful/interesting. What else should I say?----occono (talk) 22:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It would be better to refer her to WP:RS, WP:BLP and WP:COI. Any information she adds which is not available from reliable, published sources will be removed by other editors. She may certainly remove any information which is false and not sourced; but beyond that her best course would be to explain on the article's talk page what changes she would like to see made to the article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Advise her to get interviewed by a journalist who works for a reputable publication. Then the facts that she wants to convey will be available in a reliable source we can cite. She can also write her own unsourced autobiography on Wikipopuli. --Teratornis (talk) 18:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
It's not sourced as is. :) I'll tell her all that, and try and get her to upload a picture.----occono (talk) 18:42, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Toronto Transit Commission accessibility[edit]

Can anyone find out why this article is listed in the Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion? I cant find a db template in it, though the edit page lists an r3 and a meta tag as being on the page somewhere. :-\ Fribbler (talk) 22:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

After I did a WP:null edit, the list of transcluded templates changed totally (no two in common). —teb728 t c 23:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Toronto Transit Commision accessibility (with one s in Commision) was moved to Toronto Transit Commission accessibility. The following minute {{db-redirtypo}} was added to the former which was deleted 63 minutes later. Something apparently went wrong so both the redirect and the target were listed in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion when this update was made 1 minute after the placement of {{db-redirtypo}} on Toronto Transit Commision accessibility. It seems the error was fixed the next time Toronto Transit Commission accessibility was (null) edited. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Interesting database-voodoo ;-). Thanks for the explanation. Fribbler (talk) 23:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Overlapping infobox and text[edit]

As seen on TM Travel. Is there any way I can stop the table and infobox from overlapping each other? I can't find info on how to do this anywhere so I'm asking it here. Crookesmoor (talk) 22:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any overlapping. (I'm using Opera).----occono (talk) 23:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't see any overlapping. (I'm using Firefox).Try refreshing, once in a while, I see a page problem that goes away with a refresh.--SPhilbrickT 23:48, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Help getting page viewable...[edit]

I created a page but I cant seem to search it not logged in and find it. What am I doing wrong I followed the steps on how to create a page and have an account too.

Can someone please help me?? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by HorusProtector (talkcontribs) 23:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It won't turn up in Wikipedia's search engine straight away. Do you mean this though? If so, that's an article you've posted on your personal user page.----occono (talk) 23:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Your first article for how to write an article. —teb728 t c 23:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Keeping it on your user page as you work to improve it isn't a bad idea though.----occono (talk) 23:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree. If User:HorusProtector is the article you are talking about, it looks promotional, which is not tolerated on Wikipedia. In order for it to survive in article space it would have to be totally rewritten in neutral encyclopedic tone, showing the notability of the subject, verified by WP:reliable sources. —teb728 t c 23:28, 25 August 2009 (UTC) I see it is also a blatent copyright violation of the CFRA About page. You need to rewrite it in your own words. —teb728 t c 23:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info... How can I use the info from the CFRA about page as I am creating this for the owner (I am dating him) he wanted me to create a Wiki page for the Associations 15th year anniversary?? Do I have to cite the page on my wiki page?? He would like this done by the anniversary. I'm sorry I am very new at this. And I still dont quite understand how to make the page public as it is in my user page and I dont understand the instructions as when I click on the steps it says I dont have to post that way as I am a registered user? So how do I get my page public viewable??

Thanks! --HorusProtector (talk) 17:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

You could avoid the copyright problem by writing in your own words. But the problem is not just about copyright: Two other things beside copyright violation will get a page deleted immediately: being promotional or not demonstrating notability. The about page is hopelessly promotional, and it does not demonstrate notability. Rather than basing your article on the about page, you should base it on what independent reliable sources say about CFRA. That is what it takes to demonstrate notability.
Please read the general notability guideline and the notability guideline for organizations and ask yourself honestly whether CFRA has the coverage that Wikipedia requires. —teb728 t c 19:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

SouthPeak Game[edit]

Hello my name is Veronica Perez, aka Fa1thus, I am the community manager for SouthPeak Games and i need some help with the page /article that i created on wikipedia. Justicewiki keeps vandalising SouthPeak Games page and i would appreicate any help that you guys can help on this matter. Thank you in advance for all your help and i look forward on hearing from someone soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fa1thus (talkcontribs) 23:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The information you are deleting from the article appears to be cited content, not vandalism.----occono (talk) 23:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
And if you are the community manager for SouthPeak Games, you have a WP:Conflict of interest with regard to the article; so you probably should not be editing the article yourself. Instead you should make content suggestions on the article talk page. —teb728 t c 23:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The article was meant to slander my company, how is this not an act of vandelism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fa1thus (talkcontribs) 23:47, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to add that the person posting also has a conflict of interest as well due to the slander —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fa1thus (talkcontribs) 23:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The information you are removing is cited, and written elsewhere before it ever appeared here. See [2]. If the information there is wrong, then it really needs to be taken up with the journalists who wrote those first articles. Additionally, if you have concerns,. the proper method is to discuss the matter in a civil manner at the article's talk page; if you can work with other editors rather than accuse them of bad faith, you will accomplish a lot more. Running around accusing people of slander with no proof does not necessarily win a lot of support for your position. --Jayron32 00:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
This FAQ answer gives advice for your situation. —teb728 t c 00:14, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict)x2 No legal threat is permitted. Please do not use words like "slander". The section you (and your apparent sockpuppet) tried so hard to remove appears to be sourced. As Jayron said, take the issue up with the original reporters, if you want. Or discuss this at the article talk page. Throwing accusations around without any evidence to back them up will not win you friends here. Tim Song (talk) 00:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
The easiest way to solve your problem, Fa1thus, is to provide reliable sources of information (i.e. independent of either party) that show the information in those articles to be untrue. If you can show that the claims are false, they will be removed from the article. However, as others have said, those claims are out there - you may not like them, but as Jayron32 said, you need to contact the journalists who wrote those articles - Wikipedia is just reflecting what appears to be reported fact. Wikipedia is not here to promote your company - it is an encyclopedia. That means that any published criticisms (unless they are proven to be false, which does not mean you saying "this is wrong" - it needs verifiable sources of information which show it is incorrect if that is the case) can be put in the Wikipedia article. Until you can provide reliable sources of information showing otherwise, it will remain in the article about SouthPeak Games - that's the way Wikipedia works. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 00:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)