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June 14[edit]

Listing on your site crashes firefox[edit]

I tried several times to load the following page and it crashed firefox every time.

Please look into this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:20, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem for me with Firefox 3.6.17. Have you tried flushing your cache? - David Biddulph (talk) 00:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
No problem with Firefox 4.0.1 either. GB fan (talk) 01:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Just updated to Firefox 5.0 and it works fine there too. GB fan (talk) 01:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


While looking at the edit attribution page, I noticed a reference to something called "zwinger." What is that? Is it some kind of admintool that is hidden from the public, as I looked at a few places it might be (,,, etc.) and found nothing.  A p3rson  01:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC) was an edit counter that Kate has provided. I don't think it has worked since some time in 2005.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:23, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed when I was looking around that didn't return a "page not found" error, but just timed out, so I wasn't sure if that was it, becuase it makes some references to SQL, maybe it was hosted on that server. (anyone else?)
EDIT - While using the WayBack machine, I found that zwinger appeared to be the main Wikipedia database dump server. Around Feb 2006, it split into 2 websites: [] and []. Ganglia seems to be a server stats viewer, while Nagios seems a kind of server dashboard. However, Nagios also has a login button (my login doesn't work), what is that for? Is that related to the old zwinger server?  A p3rson  03:34, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
This may or may not be relevant, but Nagios is a system monitoring system. From the name I would guess that was a server that ran monitoring software. --ColinFine (talk) 21:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Zwingwer was indeed a server, named after Theodor Zwinger, an encyclopaedist, as were (are?) Wikipedia servers that have "proper names" (I think some are thinks like squid022 these days - but you can find a map of the servers with a little searching.) - -since the edit attribution process has not been live for years, it is no suprise that the instructions are outdated. Rich Farmbrough, 16:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC).

Image reuse[edit]

I have found some very good images on Wikipedia and would like to use them in a textbook I am writing. However, I have been trying to contact the users to make sure I am free to do this under the Creative Commons Share Alike 3.0 Unported License. I am having no success when I try to e-mail them using the directions on the webpage. Could you please let me know if I need to contact them for this reason or am free to use the images. If I need to contact them, please let me know how to do this. Redheadsheb (talk) 03:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Please read through WP:REUSE and even commons:COM:REUSE. They should prove helpful. – Kerαunoςcopiagalaxies 03:39, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Orphan Article Fixed[edit]

Would it be possible to remove the warning that my article about Trevor Clark is an Orphan, as a number of links have been added, connecting it to other Wikipedia articles. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lotus1029 (talkcontribs) 05:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

You have added links from Trevor Clark to other Wikipedia articles. This is a good thing to do - an important part of how the encyclopedia works - but it doesn't help with the orphan tag. Before that tag can be removed, there need to be links going the other way, from other Wikipedia articles to Trevor Clark. According to this list, there is only one such link, in List of fiction set in Toronto. Is this person mentioned in other Wikipedia articles? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Please, also note that the article isn't yours. See WP:OWN for more on this. Dismas|(talk) 08:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Problem in Kurmi page[edit]

In Kurmi page , it has been mentioned as Shudra farming caste which is totally wrong. I do not know why the different writers have not reported the facts correctly. If one studies the personality characteristics, way of life of the people belonging to Kurmis , it is certainly will prove the point that tag shudra is wrong. Secondly if Kurmis are shudras then why this caste has not been labeled as Scheduled Caste or Tribe by any Govt. Another instance, one of the caste sachan means falcon or 'baaz' in hindi which is a brave hunting word which symbolises the characteristics of a brave class. It is therefore requested that this tag shudra may be removed as it hurts the sentiments of the community. If need be, wiki can takeup an independent study ascertain the facts.

Submitted for needful action pl, — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome to join the ongoing discussion of this on the Talk:Kurmi page.--Shantavira|feed me 07:39, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

have year membership with pogo changed email address have forgot password andscreen name Judy Anderson[edit]

have changed email address for password and sign in name. have membership with club pogo but dont no how they can send it to me as they don't have new eMAIL ADDRESS — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:19, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

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Attempt at censorship at Korean Pop Music Scandals by an "insider"?[edit]

I am really fuming about what I read in the debate about whether to delete the "Korean Pop Music Scandals" page. The person who wants this page deleted 1) provided false orders to readers/debaters to ignore whether or not this page is similar to others that have been approved on wikipedia, 2) then established false criteria for whether the site should remain - stating that in order for the site to remain there has to be a consensus for the site to remain (it is the other way around) and 3) he adopted a "King" of wikipedia attitude openly stating that he, himself, could have already totally removed this article had he really wanted to.

This creates the impression that there are certain insiders who can dominate this site. I am soooooooooooooo angry!

I do not think his attitude is conducive to the proper functioning of wikipedia - it is un-wikipedia like. I think that this ridiculous debate about this page should be summarily ended. There is no reason for this guy to go after this page. What's his problem and why doesn't wikipedia do something about it please?! Why do people want to bring censorship to wikipedia? This is an outrage.

arlenesgrocerygirl Arlenesgrocerygal (talk) 12:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

The proper place for this AfD discussion is on the AfD page here. Starting spin-off discussions on separate pages is known as forum shopping and is discouraged. The article was nominated for deletion less than 24 hours ago, and the discussion still has several days to run. When the discussion has run its course the closing admin will weigh up the arguments presented for and against deletion. The best ways to prevent the page being deleted are (a) to improve it and (b) to present brief and rational arguments why it should be kept, based on Wikipedia policies. Belittling the nominator, writing lengthy posts and using emotionally loaded terms like "censorship" will almost certainly be counter-productive. You might find it helpful to read the procedures at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion; in particular the section on "How to discuss an AfD". Gandalf61 (talk) 12:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Dear Arlene, have you read our guidelines on Notability? They define what can exist within Wikipedia, and what cannot. Once you have read the guidelines and related pages appropriately, perhaps you might understand better the argument that the editor, who has nominated the page for deletion, makes. There is no ulterior motive that the editor has - and most, if not all, of the arguments he makes seem very appropriate. Like Gandalf has suggested above, I too should suggest that you should continue your discussions on this issue at the relevant page. Please feel free to write back here in case you have any other issues related to using Wikipedia where you might need assistance. Kind regards. Wifione ....... Leave a message 12:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Any idea when we will get our "insert signature" button back?[edit]

It's really getting irritating to have to hand-type the string to insert date/time/sig! --Orange Mike | Talk 13:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I've still got the button, and to prove it, here it is: --David Biddulph (talk) 13:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
It's still there for me (Firefox 4, Vector skin), between the embedded file button and the link button.. *click* --Rehevkor 13:12, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
For me (IE8 and Vector) it's between <nowiki> and horizontal line. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
MonoBook on IE 8; nothing to the right of the "ref" button appears any more. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
MonoBook on Firefox 3.6 and everything is as it was (sign between nowiki and horizontal line). Have you tried clearing your cache? Thryduulf (talk) 14:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
  • As much as I can presume OrangeMike, you could have the following issues:
  1. Your JavaScript is disabled. To resolve that, please enable Java Script.[1]
  2. Apart from the above, go to My Preferences>>Editing>>Show edit toolbar (requires JavaScript) and ensure that this option is checked and not left blank. Once that is done, even if your insert signature button does not appear, you would necessarily get a button that is similar to Your signature with timestamp on top of the editing box. Clicking on this would get you to insert your signature in one go. Read Help:Edit toolbar to understand how the edit toolbar functions.
Does this help in any way? Thanks. Wifione ....... Leave a message 14:25, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Nope; in fact, now everything but the first ("Cite") button has gone!!!! --Orange Mike | Talk 14:34, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh damn. Reverse the move for now. I'll search around and check out. In the meanwhile, try the same with Google Chrome or any other browser and check whether it works there. Sorry for the trouble. Wifione ....... Leave a message 14:51, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Congratulations on seeing the "Cite" button; I haven't seen that for a couple of weeks, or thereabouts.  :-( - David Biddulph (talk) 14:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Personal Biography[edit]

Resolved: Elwhitmire (talk) 20:26, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


I wanted to write a personal biography about my father specifically documenting his World War II experiences. He passed away before many of the World War II books were written and his experiences were never included. He receive 2 Air Medals one for flying three missions in Bastogne, Battle of the Bulge; two para-supply drops and a glider mission. Later he received the second Air Medal for a glider mission in the Rhine. Source material would come from military records and authors such as Rex Shama and George E. Koskimaki who both wrote extensively about the Troop Carriers and each Wing, Group, and Squadron. He is not famous nor has he been noted in print elsewhere so please let me know if I may create this page.

Regards, Elwhitmire (talk) 14:10, 14 June 2011 (UTC).

Thanks for the question. Wikipedia only has articles about notable subjects. For people, the guidelines are set out at here. If you father does not meet those guidelines then I am afraid that Wikipedia is not the appropriate place for an article about him, even though he was undoubtedly courageous in the service of his country. – ukexpat (talk) 14:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Forgot to mention that you do have other options, such as WikiBios. – ukexpat (talk) 14:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Depending on the amount of material you have you might consider writing for a specialist magazine or writing a book. I have a number of short-run biographies of "non-notable" people, and they often make fascinating reading, especially to those who knew the people involved, or the circumstances, but also to outsiders who see a glimpse of a different time and way of life than there own. Rich Farmbrough, 21:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC).

amending a family tree (gif)[edit]

I'm a text-only type of person, and have no idea how to amend File:Family tree of Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley.gif to change Claire Clairmont's father from "unknown" to "Sir John Lethbridge" of the Lethbridge Baronets. This is according to knowledge that came to light in 2010, according to this. BrainyBabe (talk) 14:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

My advice is to contact Commons user Kaldari who created the vectorised version of the file that resides on Commons. – ukexpat (talk) 14:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Uploading a picture[edit]

I would like to upload this picture. How can I do that? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Why? I'm not sure why we need content like that (warning- link is very NSFW). TNXMan 14:39, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

deadlinked username Communikat[edit]

I'm newly signed up as username "Communikat" which replaces IP signatory Username Communikat was registered and confirmed as accepted, but still shows up in red when signing talk edits. How to fix please? Communikat (talk) 14:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Your username is red because you have not added anything to your userpage. As soon as you add something there and save the page, your username will be blue. TNXMan 14:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Just add something to your user page and the link will turn blue. – ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
The reason for the pages showing up as redlinks is that there wasn't any content on Communikat or talk; I've now added a welcome message to the latter, so it's not a redlink any more. If you put some content on your user page, Communikat, it will similarly stop showing as a redlink. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:38, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Similar user name[edit]



I am using the account PM3 for years within German Wikipedia and Commons. I would like to register with the same name here. The name is unused, but is rejected because it is similar to the existing User:PME. Is there any way to have an exception from this rule? Topics edited by PME are 100% disjunct from those I am interested in. -- (talk) 14:34, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

You may be able to usurp the current name, see WP:USURP. – ukexpat (talk) 14:38, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Have you tried simply activating Wikipedia:Unified login? Login to your account and activate it. If User:PM3 does not exist in any other Wikipedias (it doesn't exist in, it would automatically create one for you (and in all Wikimedia projects with the same passwords), no need to register it separately.-- ObsidinSoul 14:43, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
it worked, thanks --PM3 (talk) 16:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Printing Wikipedia Pages[edit]

Dear Panel

With reference to Wikipedia's material, i find it the best way to know things to the best accuracy and details. Almost everything can be found on wikipedia and its awesome..

I have a difficulty though. I wanted to print the pages or matter for my references and carry the same for reading. But i find that there is no printable version of the topics. As a result, the printed matter is out of boundary and clustered and even out of printable zone and the matter is lost.

A request to have printable version of the same to be able to read full content of the selected topics once printed

It will be icing over the cake if this feature is made available. Looking forward for the changes.

Thanking You

KNK — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

There is actually a printable version for every page in Wikipedia. On the left panel you will see a dropdown section named 'Print/export' with several options under it, including 'Printable version'. This might be the feature you were looking for?-- ObsidinSoul 15:03, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

New external links false positives[edit]

I frequently get the non-autoconfirmed new EL captcha, although I haven't added any link. Is this a known issue? -- (talk) 15:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Could you put up the diffs of some of the edits you attempted when you received the captcha? It would help to know what sorts of things are triggering it. --Jayron32 15:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
E.g. this one just now. I simply changed the caption. I believe it has nothing to do with the diff. I get the captcha even when performing the simplest of edits (formatting, typos and such). -- (talk) 17:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I couldn't find an existing bug report. As there appears to be no markup/editing-related explanation for the erroneously prompted new EL captchas, maybe a new but ticket should be created? -- (talk) 15:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Before filing a bug report, it may help to ask at WP:VPT instead of here. Perhaps one of the techies that patrol VPT may be better able to figure out what is happening. If they don't know, I would say to go ahead with the bugzilla, but at least ask around there first. --Jayron32 15:40, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Facebook and Wikipedia[edit]

Hello, I am a graduate student at McGill University in Montreal, QC and McGill has a Facebook community page that does not have a picture -- the school's logo. There are nearly 12,000 members that belong to this page on Facebook, and there is no way to add a picture through Facebook; it seems to be a problem with Wikipedia not transferring the Wiki page's logo of McGill. Can Wikipedia help? Bjones06 (talk) 15:39, 14 June 2011 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjones06 (talkcontribs) 15:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia can't help if the problem is with how Facebook chooses to try to mirror the Wikipedia page. That is a question that you need to take up with Facebook. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
The logo appears correctly on the Wikipedia page, McGill University (is it for you?). If this is not displaying correctly on the Facebook page it'll likely be an issue with Facebook rather than Wikipedia. Rehevkor 15:42, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Elisabeth Nordberg Schulz[edit]


Her name is spelled incorrectly (middle name lacking a D and her last name must have an U istead of an o)

When you click on her name in the article :

this appears: Elizabeth Norberg Scholz From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Look for Elizabeth Norberg Scholz on one of Wikipedia's sister projects: Wiktionary-logo-en.png Wiktionary (free dictionary) Wikibooks-logo.svg Wikibooks (free textbooks) Wikiquote-logo.svg Wikiquote (quotations) Wikisource-logo.svg Wikisource (free library) Wikiversity-logo.svg Wikiversity (free learning resources) Commons-logo.svg Commons (images and media) Wikinews-logo.svg Wikinews (free news source) Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Elizabeth Norberg Scholz in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.

   Search for "Elizabeth Norberg Scholz" in existing articles.
   Look for pages within Wikipedia that link to this title.
A German Requiem discography (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Thank you for reporting this error. I have fixed the spelling mistake. You are welcome to fix any similar errors yourself in future. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


This person is a former friend of the person behind the article in Wikipedia and is using Wikipedia as a tool to harass and retaliate against the person with his comments and by adding the page for deletion. Please read the thread - but we need help. If the page needs to be fixed please tell me what to do to make it adhere to the guidelines but the content had been approved prior to this person using Wikipedia for his own agenda. Please help.

copy-pasted text from AFD
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shpoonkle From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < Wikipedia:Articles for deletion [edit] Shpoonkle

   Shpoonkle (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)
   (Find sources: "Shpoonkle" – news · books · scholar · free images)

This website is relatively new and not very notable to have a Wikipedia article. Its Facebook page has less than 80 fans, so hardly anyone uses the website or even know about it or its founder. Almost all of the information in this article was added by the founder himself, User:Robgrantn, with no reliable sources. He even tried to create a Wikipedia article about himself and he is nowhere close to being notable enough for that, being just a 21-year-old law student from New York. The founder is my elementary school classmate and had the audacity of unfriending me on Facebook when I tried to help him improve the article. I know he worked hard with adding all that information, but the website is just not significant enough to have a Wikipedia article at this time. This article belongs more on a Law or Website Wiki like this one, not an encyclopedia. This is not the place to promote a new company. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 14:04, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

   Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions.
   Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions.
   Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.
   Delete per nomination, yet another non-notable web-based startup. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:00, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


Objectively, a former classmate who was "unfriended" on Facebook shouldn't qualify as the person recommending deletion of an article. This seems like a malicious attack over a bruised ego rather than an unbiased review of content.

For the record, I submitted most of the content for the information on the page not Robert Niznik. If the site needs work, than I am happy to add or change what is required. The page had been approved and was growing and improving until your ego got bruised.

This 21 year old, Robert Niznik was in the Wall Street Journal, ABA Journal, and the Economist. He was most recently interviewed by NBC News about the PROCESS he has employed via vie Shpoonkle. The site is about promoting advocacy and the condition of the Legal Environment today and not an advertisement. The site and service has been in over 600 renowned international publications in less than ninety days. To my knowledge the amount of fans you have on Facebook should not and is not a criteria of notability. The website has over 2000 registered users and has thousands of page visits a day which is considered substantial.

The article has citations from notable sources, its objective about the services offered, and also follows Wikipedia's guidelines. You actually wrote to Robert (see email below) telling him not to worry that the page just needed some clean up and would be fine. So because this person is no longer a Facebook friend your using your position with Wikipedia to have this article deleted? Not only is not ethical and a misuse of the fiduciary responsibilities Wikipedia has entrusted in you it is just plain wrong. The purpose of the article was not promotion of the company but to educate of a process and service that is FREE and trying to help people.

This is the message you sent Robert Niznik on June 8th 2011 at 8:25:


Winson Thai June 8 at 8:25pm Report

The article will NOT be deleted just because of the template. I put it there so you and the people who work for your company will know that it still needs a lot of work (heck, you did not even include a link to the site at the bottom of the page). Just keep improving the page and you can remove the template. No worries.


We made the changes you suggested and then you marked it for deletion because he didn't want to be your Facebook Friend anymore? I am asking the Wikipedia community to help me stop people like this from using their personal agendas in this forum/site.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fierceenigma (talkcontribs) 16:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC) 

I have condensed the copy-pasted text, there's no need to copy text we can all read at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shpoonkle. Otherwise, I am not sure what to do. Wikipedia editors, likely dozens of them, will read the article and the rationale at the Articles for Deletion discussion and apply Wikipedia's standards objectively towards deciding what to do with this article. You are, of course, free to participate in the discussion yourself, but you should first familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's core content policies (see Wikipedia:Five pillars and Wikipedia:Notability) and be prepared to demonstrate how this article covers a subject which meets Wikipedia's long-established policies and guidelines. --Jayron32 16:10, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Also note that what you are currently doing is Wikipedia:Canvassing. This is inappropriate and very much forbidden. Please discuss your rationale for opposing the deletion in the appropriate page. Deletion is mostly based on the merits of the arguments, NOT on the number of editors voting. Canvassing is considered disruptive to consensus and can get you in trouble if you continue doing this. If your arguments for its retention are sound, you should not be worried about it.
That said, Wikipedia:Harassment is an entirely different matter from the AfD and a very serious accusation. Be prepared to back up your claims of this if you intend to pursue it. Accusing another editor of harassment is a form of harassment as well and can get sanctions against you if proven untrue (See WP:BOOMERANG). But yeah, please see Wikipedia:Harassment#Dealing with harassment if you do believe you are being hounded by a single editor with a grudge against you.-- ObsidinSoul 18:28, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the post. Candidly, I was not sure where to post my concerns - I have no clue what Wikipedia:Canvassing is on Wikipedia. I thought this area was a help desk area that could point me to the correct area for help and/or arbitration. Additionally, I went to the talk page to discuss how to correct the issues being noted on the article. My ONLY intent was to get help on fairly fixing the article and to get this editor to stop hounding us. Admittedly, I am a novice to Wikipedia but I have been asking for help throughout this process. I am not sure of the Wikipedia process but to me as a new user/consumer of the site - it just does not seem right that an editor with a personal history or relationship should be able to negatively impact the status of an article.

Yes, we have documentation - including the editors own email to the CEO and his posts on here stating his personal relationship and reason for being angry. We are the victim in this serious situation and are truthfully reporting unethical behavior that can be substantiated as defined by Wikipedia:Harassment and also in the general sense. Once again thank you for the advice in this matter.

Craig Dargo[edit]

An article has been posted recently stating that he has signed a two year deal with Dundee Football Club, Scotland as of May 2011. This is totally incorrect and could potentially be damaging to him. Please remove.

Confirmation can be received from Dundee Football Club, if required.

Gilber123 (talk) 16:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Craig Dargo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I have restored an older version of the first paragraph. Any editor may remove unsourced information from Wikipedia articles. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

hey wiki .... German nationality page link that dosent work[edit]

A link from this page

under where it says

Victims of Nazi persecution

There is a details link that dosent open for me — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I have converted the link to a reference that includes an archiveurl. Goodvac (talk) 17:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Tagging articles[edit]

Hey guys, I am returning to Wikipedia under a new user account after a long absence, and I have noticed a few changes in the editing form. As a member of the NewPages Patrol I have to tag pages a lot, and I used to use this handy page tagging feature in an editing toolbar that I enabled in my preferences. Now it's gone, and I am forced to locate the special pages that have the tags and copy and paste the templates. Even though I now have the pages bookmarked, it's having a serious impact on my productivity. Is there a page tagging feature I can enable without using an external editor? Or a good external editor that has one?

--SuperEditor (talk) 17:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle. You must of been away for quite a long time if you've never heard of Twinkle. Island Monkey talk the talk 17:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Lol that's what I used to use. I guess I forgot where it was. Thanks! --SuperEditor (talk) 18:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Where to post[edit]

At the very top of the page I asked where to put my proposal involving user warning templates, though since no one will most likely answer a question since June 10th, i'm just going to post it at the bottom of the page. The proposal involves how many times can a user get warning templates until blocked, and what warning templates should we use for the number of times the user has vandalized. Please answer back.--GoldenGlory84 (talk) 18:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

You are always supposed to post at the bottom of the page. That said: most warning templates have a heirarchy, going (for instance) from vandal1 to vandal4 before a final blocking. They will be found at WP:WARN. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:26, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
There were 2 suggestions in response to your original question on where to post your proposal.
IMO, there is no single answer. Sometimes one edit is enough for a final (4im) warning. Sometimes, depending on how blatant it is, no warning is needed at all. If there's any reasonable chance that the edits are being made in good faith, the 4 stage warning process makes sense. If there are old warnings from months ago, I often start up with a repeat of whatever level the previous warning was. --OnoremDil 18:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, be careful how one defines "user". An frequently used IP address from a public computer terminal (like a public library) or which is dynamically assigned by an ISP may get a warning every 2-3 months; meaning that one may see 20-25 warnings since, say, 2005. And yet, if the IP address is used by dozens, or even hundreds, of different individuals to access Wikipedia, it isn't one user. Sometimes an IP address can be positively linked to one individual, and then escalating warnings and longer blocks are in order for frequent abuse. An occasional vandalism from an IP address used by dozens of people, when there are lots of good intervening edits, may require one to patiently warn for each vandalism and proceed more cautiously before blocking. Experienced editors and admins know how to identify the difference between these two classes of IP addresses, and its wise for vandalism patrollers to carefully try to consider the situation they are dealing with before deciding on a course of action. Of course, if this is a registerred account, it should be one person, so there's no need to proceed with excess caution. Warn once or twice, and then report them. There are a set of "scaled" template warnings that some people like to use (see WP:UWT) but there is never a requirement that these are ever used before a block, merely that the individual person has been told to stop, and it is clear that that individual person, after being given ample warning to stop, isn't going to. You can just write a little note yourself that says "If you keep vandaling articles, like you did at XXXX, you may be blocked to prevent you from continuing". If they continue, report them at WP:AIV. --Jayron32 18:38, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

citations for Ed Ayres[edit]

I checked the biographical article on me (Ed Ayres), which was originally written by another person. At the top is a prominent orange circle and exclamation point noting that the article needs additional citations. I registered as an editor for Wikipedia, then entered three additional citations, as well as a little new information. The orange flag remains, however. Is the problem that I still need more citations? Or is there something I need to do to remove the flag? (It is professionally damaging to me to have the verifiability of the article appear to be questionable!)Willhumansendure (talk) 18:48, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

They are just maintenance templates and you are blowing up their importance way out of proportion -- this is an article about you, not your official website. In any event I have removed that template but left the COI one in place. Please use the article's talk page to discuss any further changes. – ukexpat (talk) 19:04, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
The sources you added are also extremely vague and does little to actually verify the information given in the article (VERY important in biographies). Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners for more information on what sources are and how to add them correctly. And yes, by your admission you are in conflict of interest by editing the article, so please be extra careful with ensuring neutrality in the tone if you intend to edit it. Anything that sounds promotional will be removed and can result in its deletion entirely.-- ObsidinSoul 19:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)



How do I change the logo that is listed in the City Sports page?

That is an old logo and I would like to replace it with the current logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgaucher (talkcontribs) 20:04, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

City Sports (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Since it can be tricky to get the licensing and copyright details just right, I have done it for you. The new logo is at File:City Sports logo 2011.gif. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:33, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
I have changed the licensing to {{PD-text}} - it's too simple to qualify for copyright protection, and I revised the summary section accordingly. – ukexpat (talk) 20:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

How To Form A Team?[edit]

I would like to form a team/ guild which will serve to make our work as a collective of researchers much easier. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jawz shiachat (talkcontribs) 23:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are asking: this is the Help Desk for using Wikipedia. Is your question in some way connected with Wikipedia? --ColinFine (talk) 23:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
I would assume you are trying to create a project. I would like to direct you to the Guide to WikiProjects. After you read the first link, use this one to learn how to create your project. There is a big warning on top of the second link stating that you must read the first one before you look at the second one. I hope this helps. Ryan Vesey (talk) 23:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[edit]


Amber's middle name is spelled incorrectly. The proper spelling is Rene — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

If you have a reliable published source that supports you, feel free to change it in the article. If you haven't, why should we believe you, since we have no way of knowing who you are. --ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
It's fixed. See here. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Ummm...colin dont be so offensive...your welcome...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


dont know where to send my suggetions, please direct me if here isnt good... my suggestion is to enable pages to RSS feed, so that I can keep track of articles or projects and their updates via RSS. Another way would be to make a facebook "Like" button for every article / project. With so many things to keep tabs on on the net, integrating with RSS is key. thanks for all your efforts!Ilanmordechai (talk) 23:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Does WP:RSS help?
In general, the best place to make that sort of suggestion (not about content of the encyclopaedia) is at WP:Village Pump. --ColinFine (talk) 23:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)