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Need another opinion

Someone tagged the article Rapcore with a merger proposal, suggesting that it is a neologism. The discussion can be found at Talk:Rap_rock#Merger_proposal. References are clearly available showing that it is a legitimate genre and not a neologism. Could you help out? (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 17:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC))

50 Cent GAR

Hi, 50 Cent is currently undergoing a GAR, thanks Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 07:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Hip hop music pages

Does anyone know of any good articles talking about hip hop music and its subgenres (by subgenres I'm referring to the respective coasts, East, Midwest, South, West) that I could find on the net, or possibly any books or documentaries on the subjects? I'm currently trying to work on all of these subgenres pages as well as the hip hop music main page, and would appreciate any help finding references and sources for the subgenres themselves in general, rather than artists or POV articles. Thanx! WikiGuy86 (talk) 21:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

"Dirrty" GAR notification

Dirrty has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Should we request protection on all GA and FA class articles?

It concerns me that some Category:GA-Class_Hip_hop_articles are not semi-protected, and fall out of GA status regularly. Wikipedia:Rough guide to semi-protection states...

"What is the quality of this article? Higher quality articles are more damaged by vandalism than similar low quality articles, and there is also less likelihood that a given edit will improve the article. In addition, since higher quality articles are more complete, there is less likelihood that the article will need to be edited in the first place."

There are only 47 GA articles (right now). If they aren't being vandalized routinely, we can't ask for permanent semi-protection, but at least 6 months should do. Also, FA articles should be fully protected. There should be absolutely no reason for an FA article to fall from that status if edits are properly sourced with care. We only have 12 FA articles, is there consensus? Prapsnot (talk) 19:51, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Strong support. Sounds logical - there is enough regular annoying vandalism to warrant it, I think. Crateescape101 (talk) 21:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Full-protection requested for FA article Hey Ya!, we await admin decision. Prapsnot (talk) 08:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Good stuff. Crateescape101 (talk) 13:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Request declined, time to apply for adminship and consider doing this ourselves. Prapsnot (talk) 16:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Damn, word Crateescape101 (talk) 17:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Tha Connect

Does Tha Connect meet notability requirements? Considering it only sold 2400 copies the first week? Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 02:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

While only selling in the neighborhood of 2,400 copies first week, that managed to rank it #21 & #47 on the Rap & R&B/Hip-Hop albums charts respectively. If it had sold 2,400 copies and didn't chart on these charts, then I think the question might be valid, but since it did appear on two Billboard charts, I think it might stand. Mizery Made (talk · contribs) 23:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Jigg

Hello,

I found the above following up on a User:CorenSearchBot report. The article started off as a straight copy / paste of Crunk and still contains much totally identical elements. Could someone investigate Jigg and ascertain that this is indeed a legitimate article in need of more rewriting, or a prank? Thanks. MLauba (talk) 11:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Invitation

Rapper categories

Some editors are going through the categories replacing the cat "American Rapper" with "African American Rapper" and "European American Rapper". Is that really necessary? danno 11:49, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Hood 2 Hood: The Blockumentary

Hi, an article i made is up for deletion. If anyone can help make it notable, it would be greatly appreciated. Portillo (talk) 08:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Soulja Boy Tell'em Middle Name.

Hello all, while I am aware that many do/may not like Soulja Boy and/or his music, there seems to be a little problem we're having. We have several sources which clarify two different middle names for the artist. There was once a discussion which seemed to land at a consensus of "Ramone" over "Cortez" as one was mostly used by blogs and other non-reliable sources. But now, as he was recently arrested, the debate seems to have sparked again. I am bringing this here for possible help. Thank you. --HELLØ ŦHERE 17:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Sources that Suggest his name middle name is Cortez. However these are all from the same event and there is a chance that a mistake made could propagate through all the other sources. I am indeed very curious as to what his real middle name is. Perhaps the Police department will release a briefing, I'm sure they found out his real middle name when they arrested him. --Vishnu2011 (talk) 18:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

• from E!Online [1]
• from CNN [2]
• from Washington Post [3]
• From Associated Press [4]
• from Atlanta Journal [5] -
• from Henry Herald - Town where Soulja boy was Arrested [6]

Project Members Clean-Up

I've noticed that some of the users on the members list are either retired or haven't made edits in the last couple of years, which suggests unofficial retirement from Wikipedia. I was thinking maybe we should leave messages on all the project members talk pages to find out who's still on Wikipedia and who's not. That way we can take users who are no longer editing off the members' list. It would make things such as collaboration or just running the project much easier to know who's still active. Just a theory. Any thoughts? WikiGuy86 (talk) 00:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Makes sense. Zazaban (talk) 01:35, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Cool. I'm going to write up a message and send it to all current members. WikiGuy86 (talk) 03:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Probably a time saver to avoid the two of us. Zazaban (talk) 03:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Redesigning the Project Page

What do you all think about possibly redesigning the project page? I was thinking about creating a new layout among the lines of the Simpsons WikiProject page. Let me know if we should keep it the way it is or change it. If so, I'll try to get to work on it ASAP. WikiGuy86 (talk) 13:09, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

A change sounds good to me. Crateescape101 (talk) 15:27, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I put together a new page layout, you can check it out here. Let me know what you all think. WikiGuy86 (talk) 05:07, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Looking mad fly, nice work. Crateescape101 (talk) 03:18, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Does it look like anything else needs to be added? If not, I'm going to officially have changed the main page by Monday. WikiGuy86 (talk) 21:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

G-Unit Records.

Hello all, I have a question regarding the G-Unit Records page. As it is hip hop, I thought I would bring it here. In an interview, 50 Cent has confirmed that Game is still signed to the label, and must be paid to not use the logo on his releases. A problem with this is that numerous websites have taken this claim and reported it, but there has been no other clarification except this passing comment. On the other hand, we have an MTV article which states that Game was released from the label. Thus, Hip hop people, I am asking, would you all consider 50 a reliable source, even if websites are reporting what he said, or would it be a primary source? --HELLØ ŦHERE 19:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Removal of reviews from the album infobox

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Basehead GAN

Basehead is a current GAN. Does anyone want to review it? (Sugar Bear (talk) 21:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC))

Portal

{{Portal|Hip hop}} Portal upgrade has been done (spam)-> {{subst:Hip hop portal}} I mean place it appropriate sections of Hip hop articles ..LOL
..hope it gets you some editors ...Portal:Hip hop...!!!!..
Pls fell free to edit the portal or the articles mentioned..trying to keep size in-mind ....Buzzzsherman (talk) 22:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

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Rcool35

Hi. I'm sorry if I'm posting in the wrong section but since he mainly edits hip hop articles, I have to bring it up here. I have been dealing with Rcool35's vandalism for a long time and even though it takes me a few seconds to revert them but the main problem is that he doesn't want to learn or stop. Here are some of the things he does.

1. Add the expand and update tags. (IP's are not allowed to add those tags, only users are.)
2. Adding mixtapes, albums released prior to the labels founding and albums released in different countries. (If it's released by that label and a source says so then it's released by the label. Mixtapes do not count as albums unless they're released by a major label.)
3. Copyviolations.
4. Constant vandalism on articles related to Winsin & Yandel.

Now I have showed him all of these policies and I have tried to get him to change his ways but he is completly arrogant and isn't willing to listen to reason or logic. That's why I'm asking you for help, this has got to stop. I am tired of waiting for him to stop vandalizing. So can you do something? Taylor Karras (talk) 00:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

See--> Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism.............Buzzzsherman (talk) 22:09, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment on Biographies of living people

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Ikip 05:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Hip Hop & Hip hop music

Something desperately needs to be done about there being two articles about such a prominent subject. Right now I would think the best move would be to move Hip hop to Hip hop (cultural movement) or Hip hop culture, and then move Hip hop music to Hip hop, since it is generally thought of as a genre of music first. Any thoughts? Zazaban (talk) 08:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, it might be best to leave it the way it is. Although hip hop music is generally referred to in the media simply as hip hop, it does not represent the entirety of the culture. If we move it under the the hip hop title, some may misinterpret the music as being the most important aspect of the culture, which isn't necessarily the case. Just my thoughts. WikiGuy86 (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

My general concern is that the vast, vast majority of people searching 'hip hop' will be looking for the music. Punk subculture is a similar situation, and is a precedent. Zazaban (talk) 03:51, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it's logical the way it is at the moment - with the culture and collection of elements as the main article and then the elements (such as the music) as articles leading off from that.

Punk subculture is different in that punk subculture is more created around the music... with Hip-Hop, other elements of the culture came first before the music genre was properly formed (b-boying, DJing, graffiti... then later MCing, then later records combining DJing and MCing to create the records). Hip-Hop's cultural elements are also more clearly defined than Punk's, with Hip-Hop music being an element of the culture, rather than the main thing. Crateescape101 (talk) 12:11, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Keep the title of hip hop music as it is, but rename the hip hop article as hip hop culture. When people type in simply "hip hop", I suggest that it should lead to the disambiguation page, which has links to both hip hop music and hip hop culture. Matthew Fennell (talk) 22:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Carnival of Carnage GAN

The article Carnival of Carnage is a current Good Article Nomination. Would anyone like to review it? (Sugar Bear (talk) 23:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC))

k-os

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Possible vandalism?

I;m not expert on hip hop, so someone who is better versed on it might want to look at the edits made today by User:69.209.224.227. He made about 200 or so edits today, all hip hop articles, where he changed the genre of the song/artist/group/album. I could be totally wrong, but something doesn't look right. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:02, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

+ 99.132.133.92 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) seems to have been doing the same thing earlier today. -M.Nelson (talk) 01:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)