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Template:Stones Throw Records

I created a template for Stones Throw, but it needs some major works. Most of the albums are in the red, and the same goes for a lot of the artists. Also, I wasn't sure which releases on were EPs. Any help is appreciated.--Xxplosive 21:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Let's do this thing W guice 10:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I added A LOT more albums to the Stones Throw template. It looks like a mass of red text right now because most of the albums don't have pages. Any help would be really appreciated! Most of the albums are instrumental versions of other albums, so you can almost just copy and paste.--Xxplosive 02:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


I believe explaining the slang used in hip-hop songs can make the articles more accessible to the general public. See my example at Jay-Z's Girls, Girls, Girls- Eixo 03:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I think we also need more "Singles" pages. There aren't too many for underground songs. --Xxplosive 20:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

MF DOOM/GM Grimm Rivalry really real?

While browsing through MF DOOM and related articles, I noticed that in the GM Grimm article it said,

"Grimm went on to release several 12" singles on the Fondle 'Em label and also collaborated with MF DOOM on an EP released by Brick Records entitled "MF EP". Since then, MF DOOM and Grimm's relationship has grown into a rivalry."

While this may have been true, I believe that there should be mention that it dissapated since then, being that they worked together on King Geedorah and in Monsta Island Czars. I doubt that they would work together if they really had such a rivalry...

Also, although not completely related, under the KMD article, it simply says,

KMD contained three members:

  • Zev Love X (later called MF DOOM)
  • DJ Subroc (Zev's younger brother, died in car accident)
  • Onyx, the Birthstone Kid

While in the Rodan (rapper) article, it says that, "He was one of the original members of KMD.

  • it didn't say exactly what point the "then" refers to in "since then". after Ibliys, King Geedorah and the MIC album (as well as Special Herbs and Spices Volume 1, which someone mysteriously removed from the article yesterday for no good reason) they fell out over money and a perceived diss from Dumile on the Dangerdoom record. Details are in the Dangerdoom article. You're right about Grimm's article needing some expansion, tho -W guice 23:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Yea DOOM dissed Grimm and the MIC on the "El Chuba Nibre" track I think. Grimm replied with "Book of Daniel" on his American Hunger album. --Xxplosive 03:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Template:R. Kelly

Please help to spread it. You're welcome and feel free to edit/alter it. Any help is appreciated. Lajbi Holla @ me 17:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

"Top 10 List" by Masta Ace

Does anyone know who produced this song? If you do, can you add the producer to the Hip-Hop Forever III compilation by DJ Jazzy Jeff. That's the only song that I don't know who the producer is. Thanks. --Xxplosive 00:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Saukrates has been added as producer. Only source I have is the labeling on the vinyl single, sorry. Olavrg 18:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding that.--Xxplosive 20:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


Okay, I finally wrote an article that would mark my first real contribution to this project. I would appreciate if anyone threw in any ideas or criticism for k-os at its peer review. - Tutmosis 20:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Project Directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:

and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 00:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


Is anyone still active? If yes I have a suggestion, do you guys think we should create a Hip Hop assement system similar to Biography wikiproject? You can read up more information about this here. - Tutmosis 00:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Irish hip hop

Hi. I came upon this article whose talk page links back to this project. It's in a terrible mess just now and needs some serious help. I can maybe help making the language and formatting better, but I lack the knowledge to do a really good job. Any volunteers? --Guinnog 13:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hip Hop Theatre and Danny Hoch

Hey peoples, I just wrote the Danny Hoch article last night because I was tired of the fact that there wasn't one. The Hip hop theatre article needs some work too, if any one else out there is inclined to help these two articles, please do. JesseRafe 21:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

A request

The Game (rapper) is be requested for peer review here. If anyone could leave comments/opinions, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --Ted87 21:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Is anyone here?

Just curious if this project is active... one of the breakdancing move articles was marked as a how-to, and after looking at the others, it looks like the majority of them are how to (I'm not sure how you'd describe a dance move without describing how it's done, but once the how-to police get started, more trouble soon follows).

I'm going to transwiki the article that was marked to wikibooks (and probably the others too, as it makes more sense to have all of them). there have been a few dance books written lately (swing dancing, latin dancing, folk dancing), and I'm wondering if some members of this project would be interested in doing a book about hip hop dancing (or even something like a history of hip hop in general, as we don't currently have much on that either).

I probably won't be watching this page (I don't do a lot of page watching on wikipedia), but if anyone's interested in getting something started, contact me on my talk page either here on or wikibooks. We can import as many wikipedia articles as necessary: the Import tool brings over all revisions of the article, so if previous versions had been more suited to textbooks or how-to books, you can revert to that version once it's on wikibooks. --SB_Johnny|talk|books 16:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Some help is needed!

If anyone is still active in here, the Stones Throw template needs some work. I've been doing a lot of the pages, but there's still a bunch to go.Template:Stones Throw Records--Xxplosive 03:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

2 categories for Ice T albums

There are currently 2 exactly the same categories, except for spelling.

Which one should be used? - Tutmosis 16:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I assumed that also, but scrolling down to "Stage name" subsection, it says that most of his records say "Ice-T"... - Tutmosis 16:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
His website and book have "Ice T." So that's probably correct. (Ibaranoff24 17:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC))

Working on a new look for the project

So any suggestions? questions? criticisms? - Tutmosis 20:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions

Per a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stamina mc, I'm wondering about nameing conventions for articles on DJs. It seems like Category:DJs contains DJs whose article names follow one of three patterns:

Most of the ones that are DJ Whomever or Whomever (DJ) do have real names, and for many of them their real names are listed.

One of the objections raised in regards to Stamina mc (and MC Stamina, the person has two articles) seems to be that it is improperly named. However, with the abundance of DJs and MCs named that way I'm wondering if there are any formal conventions for naming DJ articles, and this project seems like the appropriate place to ask. If there aren't any conventions, perhaps some ought to be formed and again, this project seems like the appropriate place to start. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I think they should just follow the WP:COMMONNAME guideline, and if the common name is a disambig just add (DJ). Good example of this already in use: Sasha and Sasha (DJ). Some DJ's are commonly refered to as "DJ whomever" and would probably be better off with the article name being as such, while some are not. The afd you cited above I don't think is exclusive to DJ's alone, or something another naming convention will solve, since there are countless people known by multiple names. I think the best way to solve this is research how notable sources refer to the person. — Tutmosis 19:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Musical style

Hi there. I'm working on the Hollaback Girl article with hopes of eventually raising it to FA status, but I'm having trouble writing about the song's musical style. The major problem is that because it was produced by Pharrell, it doesn't have many instrumentals and I can't figure out what should be included in the section. What elements are usually discussed in articles about rap songs? ShadowHalo 23:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

To start, you should add the project's template to the article's talk page--NPswimdude500 06:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Done. ShadowHalo 06:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
To be honest I can't think of anything else to add. Great job on the article btw. — Tutmosis 14:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Indian hip hop category up for deletion

Indian hip hop category up for deletion. Please vote at the link.--Urthogie 14:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


Some of you may want to join this new project for the African Diaspora!

futurebird 02:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Made Man (album)

I created this page today. Hope you visit it and tell me what you think about it and some more stuff if possible. It was a Billboard number one in 1999 and realized we have no page for it. It is also a platinum album. Thanks for reading. Lajbi Holla @ me 18:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

  • And please help to rate it on the assessment scale of the project (as well as on Wikiproject:Music). Lajbi Holla @ me 22:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion regarding "Squashing beef" etc.

It seems like some hip hop terms that are often used in the articles seem pretty unfitting to an encyclopedia. Do we really need to use terms like "squash beef" and the like? Maybe the project should look into changing some of terms used to standard English instead of hip hop slang? BuyAMountain 00:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Albanian hip hop

This article needs a major cleanup.--Urthogie 17:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

possible collaboration

Check out this new article I started, taking stuff from rapping as a starting point:

Let's work on making this something good so that people can get all sides of this complex issue. Who's with me on that? Peace, --Urthogie 20:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

You might find some useful information in Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes, which I linked to. Λυδαcιτγ 03:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of diss songs

Hi, if anyone is active I wonder if you would like to contribute to the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of diss songs discussion regarding the deletion of the following artcle. List of diss songs

I imagine this article would be of interest to this project and it makes sense for people with knowlege in this area to comment. You may see my own opinion on the matter at the discussion link. Thanks -- GQsm Talk | c 20:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


Just wanted to mention that there is not much under commons:category:Hip hop culture, especially commons:category:Breakdancing, which ought to have a lot of potential. Next time you go to see your local B-boys compete, or just go to a show where there will be some dance action on the floor, bring a camera! - Jmabel | Talk 19:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

DrV DJ Red Alert

Not sure if this is the appropriate place, but DJ Red Alert is up for DRV at the following location, its being relisted to gain further comments. [1] -- 11:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

nother cat

Category:United States hiphop musical group stubs proposed for movin.--Urthogie 00:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


Why is it that even after an article's quality is assessed, it remains in the Unassessed category?--NPswimdude500 23:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

User:AlexNewArtBot - New Article Bot

Hi, I am in the trial runs of the User:AlexNewArtBot (see Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/AlexNewArtBot). The bot reads all the new articles for a day and puts suspected HipHop-related articles into User:AlexNewArtBot/HipHopSearchResult, the articles are suppose to be manually put into the portal page and/or removed if irrelevant. Or whatever you want to do with them.

The list of rules are in User:AlexNewArtBot/HipHop, there is also the log on the User:AlexNewArtBot/HipHopLog explaining the rules that sent an article to the search results (the log is cleared every day, so try to look into the history of the log). Please contact me if you are interested in the fine tuning of the rules

That is all. Any suggestions are welcome.

50 Pence

Is the spoof rapper under the scope of the project? Lenoxus " * " 03:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Not really. Lajbi Holla @ me 05:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I disagree. Lenoxus said it himself - he's a rapper. Therefore, he's relevant.--NPswimdude500 (Talk|Contribs) 03:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Victory! A'ight. Lenoxus " * " 01:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Well there's no article for him right now. You know that right? The link abovre leads to the money in England. Tayquan hollaMy work 21:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

List of hip hop collaborations

Hip-hop heads, help is needed with the List of hip hop collaborations, which has neat sortability and quite a few entries, but lacks album and year data for most. Λυδαcιτγ 03:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

It also needs references too doesn't it? Tayquan hollaMy work 02:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Articles for Deletion

A bunch of articles on rap singles have been put up for deletion by eo. I'm trying to save as many as I can, but a bit of fire support would be appreciated. In addition, some of the articles do need fixing up.Chris Croy 15:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

What happened to Binary Star

They had an article under Binary Star (band), but now it's gone. Most links to that page are gone too, and there's no "disambiguation" link on binary star. Was there ever a vote to get the page removed, and why was it removed?--Xxplosive 04:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

According to the deletion log : 13:03, 5 April 2007 JzG (Talk | contribs) deleted "Binary Star (band)" (WP:CSD criterion A7 (no assertion of notability)). Lajbi Holla @ me 08:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
seems like egregious bad faith and/or ignorance. i trust someone will be recreating it forthwith. tomasz. 08:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Or just a mistake by a non-hip-hop-head who deals with lots of truly non-notable artists' pages, and didn't find anything to suggest that this one was any better. Anyway, if you'd like access to the deleted information, I'd ask User:JzG himself, as his user page suggests he'd be happy to help (if you plan to establish notability). Λυδαcιτγ 00:38, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
After I saw that the article didn't exist, I removed the links to it.--NPswimdude500 (Talk|Contribs) 05:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Audacity - yeh, your first sentence is what i meant by 'ignorance'. tomasz. 15:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
And the solution to deletions by an admin who is ignorant of the notability of a band is to establish notability in the band's article, not to fault the administrator. Λυδαcιτγ 20:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
fortunate, then, that it was a passing comment and not a proposed solution. if i were an administrator i think i would do a bit of independent research into whether a subject was notable before AfD'ing or deleting, instead of just relying on the article's assertion or lack of it. i'd consider doing otherwise a tad sloppy. tomasz. 20:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, but in this case the notability of the band isn't obvious: no gold albums, no hits on the Billboard charts, and few (any?) articles in major newspapers outside of Detroit listed in the Google News archives. Λυδαcιτγ 23:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
From what I understand you just to provide some sources that aren't junk and it can be created. Tayquan hollaMy work 05:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't think you many sources incidentally, just like 2-3. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tayquan (talkcontribs) 05:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC).
The guideline is Wikipedia:Notability (music). Λυδαcιτγ 00:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Yo, headz on the wiki..Senim Silla recently dropped a new album. The name's Kenobi One, and I am gonna try to go around connecting things to hip-hop that are not immediately apparent. Eclecticism in art, as of this post.. has reference to the following. * Cut Chemist, * the album called * The Audience is Listening, etc. Just tryin to recruit some WikiHeadz. So if you like hip-hop and Wikipedia, try and help out. Peace. --Monsieurdedalus 02:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Years in hip hop

As a response to the AfD for Hip Hop albums by year, and possibly to my comment here, an editor has started to create articles of the type 1987 in hip hop. Now this may be a a good idea if there is suffcient interest and editorial energy to document the timeline of hiphop into more detail than years in music do or if one considers Hip hop to be more than just the music. In any case, it would require some consensus, how it should be done, both with repsect to content selection and its representation. --Tikiwont 12:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Eric B & Rakim

that page needs an overhaul... it's got false info (I Know You Got Soul samples Bobby Byrd, not James Brown) and cats are talking up Eric B in the comments pages and it needs to be set out for them just how little he contributed before someone takes it upon himself to post the obsolete official line of the day.

I'd do it, but you know. It's easier to whine that no-one else is doing it than to do something yourself. Ha.

Worldhiphop template needs attention

Greetings. I've been voting on some of the category deletes and noticed the "worldhiphop" template is a bit awkward as it's simply a very long list of the countries with some of the continents mixed in. I suggest breaking it down by continent in alpha order; Africa, Asia, Australia, Europe, North America, South America and possibly Eastern European. Benjiboi 22:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


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Anyone interested in cleaning up Mobb Music? Thanks in advance BeL1EveR 22:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment on Merger of Hip hop Articles

Hi all. I am soliciting everyone's input to help move Hip Hop to FA status. Cosprings has advocated merging a number of the Hip hop-related articles into one (hip hop music, hip hop production, hip hop culture, etc.). while there was really never a consensus on this, it appears there was not that much input from additional editors [2] [3], on what is arguably our most important article. Discussion moved to:
-Robotam 14:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Luxurious Gwen Stefani song

This song is quite close to being FA Class. So can someone please come up to help the article reach it's goal. I would be really thankful as Luxurious is a part of Love.Angel.Music.Baby series and it is one of the rare Gwen Stefani song article which is not featured from Love.Angel.Music.Baby. Thanks a lot. Cheers! User:Luxurious.gaurav

Dr. Jeckyll & Mr. Hyde (rap group)

Created stub page for Dr. Jeckyll & Mr. Hyde (rap group), linked to Andre Harrell.--RoBoTamice 15:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject:G-Unit Records

Hi, Can we put some more notices/links to the G-Unit Records WikiProject because they are looking for more members. Help would be appreciated!. --The-G-Unit-Boss 15:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


The-G-Unit-Boss 12:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Miranda 21:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Real nice work!!! Major props, but there's barely any activity in this community. --Xxplosive 01:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


I've added domething here I thing you guys should see.--Hornetman16 (talk) 19:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

  • 18 September 2007 - expires 23 September
    • DJ Pooh (PROD by User:; Created April 2006. "DJ Pooh (born Mark Jordan in Los Angeles, California) is an African American record producer, screenwriter, rapper and film director." PROD nominator states: "Article about a person, group, company, or web content that does not assert the importance of the subject.") --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Conscious hip hop

hello, please look after this article, i hear some hip-hop but i don't know the scene and all artists enough well to proof all this artists in the article. But the list is false at all. There was 50 Cent, who is a Gangsta-Hip-Hopper par excellence, but not a Underground or a Conscious Hip-Hop! Greets from the german wikipedia, i hope i have posted this at the right place--Fundriver 07:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Possible change for album track listings...

I've come to notice a lot of the track listings on album articles. I've noticed how much space they're taking up [with all the columns to fill out (track listing, track name, producer(s), featured guest(s) and time) on track listings]. With this, I did some expirimenting, changing the size of the text. This will make it more smaller and compact to fit on articles without a lot of space.

This is the results of the testing I did with the track listing from T.I. vs. T.I.P.:

# Title Producer(s) Featured guest(s) Time
1 "Act I (T.I.P.)" T.I. and Kannon “Caviar” Cross, additional production by Just Blaze 2:22
2 "Big Shit Poppin' (Do It)" Mannie Fresh 4:47
3 "Raw" Lil' C 3:51
4 "You Know What It Is" Wyclef Jean, Jerry 'Wonder' Duplessis, Sedeck "All Hands on Deck" Jean and Keith "Lil' Wonda" Duplessis 4:47
5 "Da Dopeman" Mannie Fresh 5:09
6 "Watch What You Say To Me" Khao, co-produced by Bao Quoc Pham & Steve Holdren Jay-Z 4:45
7 "Hurt" Danja Alfamega and Busta Rhymes 4:50
8 "Act II (T.I.)" T.I. and Caviar, additional production by Just Blaze 1:46
9 "Help Is Coming" Just Blaze 4:25
10 "My Swag" Wyclef Jean, Wonda, All Hands on Deck and Keith Lil' Wonda Wyclef Jean 4:34
11 "We Do This" The Runners 3:33
12 "Show It to Me" Tony Galvin Nelly 3:18
13 "Don't You Wanna Be High" The Runners 3:59
14 "Touchdown" Eminem and Jeff Bass Eminem 4:42
15 "Act III (T.I. vs T.I.P.) The Confrontation" T.I. and Caviar, additional production by Just Blaze 1:46
16 "Tell 'Em I Said That" Danja 4:54
17 "Respect This Hustle" Danja 4:26
18 "My Type" Keith Mack 4:50

(Compare that to the size of the current track listing! Much more compact.)

If there's enough support, it's possible to add to the "to-do list" to reformat all track listings to this. MITB LS (t·c) 21:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

i'd consider running it by WP:ALBUM first. they tend to work out the standard for album track listings in all genres. tomasz. 10:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


...also... I'm starting to develop a template that can be used as a standard for all rapper templates. [If there's enough demand, I'll also craete one for bands/groups too (G-Unit, D12, NWA, etc.}.] MITB LS (t·c) 21:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I've established a standard template for all rapper templates. It looks like this (without the parameters filled in):
If this one goes well, it might be possible to incorperate this template into templates of other music genres (with parameters exclusive to them). Feedback of this will be good for me. MITB LS 01:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
BTW, I'll continue to imrove it until I get a good final product. You can find the construction HERE. MITB LS 01:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Image of breakdancing

I think the image Breakdance-oldschool.png should be modified.

The background should be set to "transparent". It would look much better and professional.--Tasco 0 22:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Color coding rapper Navboxes

I have begun to color code a lot of rapper navboxes (some of which include the Navboxes of 50 Cent, T.I., Lil Wayne, Akon, D12, etc.) by adding | titlestyle = background:#00008B; below the "name" and "title" part of the rapper navboxes that use Template:Navbox music (I'm also doing my best to convert a lot of navboxes to "Navbox music" as well). I'm color coding the header based on the music genre (on the [[hip hop music] article, the color on the Template:Hiphopgenrebox banners are "darkblue, so I'm coloring them by that). I'm just wondering if I could get a little help in doing so (as well as converting Navboxes). Thanks ahead of time. The Chronic 05:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)