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Ironman & related articles - discussion

As part of this WikiProject's goal of improving Wikipedia's coverage of triathlon articles, I am hereby opening a discussion on the arrangement of articles relating to Ironman Triathlon.

The article Ironman Triathlon brings together many valid areas of encyclopaedic content, however perhaps they should be in separate articles. I propose:

The general idea is to follow how articles of championships in other sports are arranged – e.g. FINA World Aquatics Championships and 2007 World Aquatics Championships, or Triathlon at the Summer Olympics and Triathlon at the 2008 Summer Olympics.

I've started on an initial draft of 2008 Ironman World Championship.

Yboy83 (talk) 21:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me, I may need to think a bit more about the detail. Suggest you post a link to this discussion on the relevant article talk pages (I'd do it myself, but I need to get to bed now, and will be away for most of tomorrow). Note there is already an Ironman 70.3 article.
--NSH001 (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

New articles:

67.52.71.200 (talk) 06:47, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposals to nominate articles for deletion

Having made quick assessments of all the Triathlon articles recently tagged with the WikiProject Triathlon banner, I propose the following list of article is proposed for deletion, either by WP:PROD or WP:AfD. Please add your comments, and additions to the list below. Feel free to start the deletion process if you agree, otherwise I will start in the next week or so. Yboy83 (talk) 10:34, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Completed discussions



Thanks NSH for your input - maybe if I hadn't super-quick scan-read these articles then the list wouldn't have been so long! Yboy83 (talk) 14:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

That's OK, it doesn't hurt to have a convenient list of dubious articles. I'm still considering the remaining articles, which will probably take a few more days (too many to look at all at once). NSH001 (talk) 16:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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Sponsorship and advertising - esp. triathlete biographies and race names

Firstly, I've recently come across some bios with sections listing "Sponsors" and "Partners". Examples:

In my opinion, these sections should be removed. All pro triathletes have sponsors, often the same ones, and such lists add nothing to the articles. Just WP:ADVERTISING.

Secondly, do we want the sponsor's name included in race titles? I notice some of the races listed in 2008 Ironman World Championship include the sponsor's name, others don't. I'm pretty sure we don't want it in article titles (for example, we have London Marathon, and Flora London Marathon is just a redirect).

Maybe we should develop a guideline on how to present sponsorship? To my surprise, I couldn't find one already on Wikipedia (I didn't spend too much time looking, though).

--NSH001 (talk) 12:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree the "sponsors" and "partners" should be removed in general, with those particularly notable incorporated into prose text where appropriate. Lists of sponsors change from year to year, and knowing how little some of these articles are edited, such lists become out of date quite quickly.
As for race names - the race names I used in 2008 Ironman World Championship were those displayed on the IM webpages for each particular event - some events have sponsors with naming rights, others appear not to. For article names, I would think WP:NAME could be followed by using the "most easily recognized name", which in my opinion in these cases is without the sponsors name.
Some sort of guideline on all this would be great if we can find/write one, but perhaps this would be best at WP:SPORTS level as there are without doubt other sports with the same issues.
Yboy83 (talk) 10:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Athlete bios results sections

Following on from the above discussion about sponsors... the "results" sections of athlete biogs - is (e.g.) 17th place in an obscure/local event really notable? Should we consider limiting to top 3/5/10 positions and decide upon a list of events which are suitable for inclusion in these sections?

Also there are numerous table styles being used for such results. I'm going to start a template system to help with standardising the layout. Something like this with sample data from Chrissie's latest few results: 

{{Tri-bio-results-top}}
{{Tri-bio-result
|date = {{Dts|2009|Apr|5|format=dmy}}
|position = [[Image:Gold medal icon.svg]]
|event = Ironman Australia
|dist = [[Ironman Triathlon|Ironman]]
|swim = 50:48
|t1 = 
|bike = 5:03:01
|t2 = 
|run = 2:59:15
|total = 8:57:10
}}
{{Tri-bio-result
|date = {{Dts|2008|Oct|11|format=dmy}}
|position = [[Image:Gold medal icon.svg]]
|event = [[2008 Ironman World Championship|Ironman World Championship, Hawaii]]
|dist = [[Ironman Triathlon|Ironman]]
|swim = 56:20
|t1 = 
|bike = 5:08:16
|t2 = 
|run = 2:57:44
|total = 9:06:23
}}
{{Tri-bio-result
|date = {{Dts|2008|Aug|31|format=dmy}}
|position = [[Image:Gold medal icon.svg]]
|event = [[2008 ITU Long Distance Triathlon World Championships|ITU Long Distance World Championship, Almere]]
|dist = 4 km / 120 km / 30 km
|swim = 1:10:05
|t1 = 
|bike = 3:03:19
|t2 = 
|run = 1:54:18
|total = 6:12:44
}}
{{end}}

My initial thoughts were to allow split times like "Swim+T1" using colspans, but this would then break the sortablility. Obviously needs work before implementation. Yboy83 (talk) 10:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Are there enough articles on this subject to justify an Outline of triathlon?

Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting.

The Transhumanist 00:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: See Wikipedia's collection of outlines at WP:OOK.

This does seem to be a Good Idea.™ I think there are certainly enough articles (and potential articles) for such a page. Trouble is, there are only two of us active on this project (Yboy83 and me), and we both divide our time between this and other projects, in addition to having other commitments in real life. So it may have to wait a little while. --NSH001 (talk) 13:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

GAN backlog reduction - Sports and recreation

As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

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Unassessed articles

I did produce today a list of unassessed triathlon articles. Feel free to start assess and reduce the list. --Kslotte (talk) 14:45, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I've added project banners to most of these, using AWB. This report has also prompted me to set up a new subcategory to help keep irrelevant pages off such reports. See the following section.
--NSH001 (talk) 21:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

There are still 13 pages left on the list, one of which has already (correctly in my view) been proposed for deletion. Could other editors please take a look and consider whether they should be:

  1. proposed/nominated for deletion
  2. excluded from this project (placed in Category:Miscellaneous triathletes)
  3. taken up as part of this project (given a project banner on the talk page)

--NSH001 (talk) 19:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Category:Miscellaneous triathletes

The subcategory Category:Miscellaneous triathletes is intended for people who take part in triathlons, but who really have nothing to do with this project.

See, for example, Andrew Baldwin, who used to be in Category:American triathletes. In theory, in order to remove him from the scope of this project, we could just remove him from this category, but sooner or later someone would be bound to restore the category. Having him in the new subcategory should avoid this happening.

As the note on the category page states, members of the new subcategory should generally be excluded from WikiProject Triathlon maintenance reports. I've added notes to that effect on Category:Triathlon and Category:Triathletes.

--NSH001 (talk) 21:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

NSH001, I apprieate that you start organizing articles, but there is few issues in my opinion. --Kslotte (talk) 13:48, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
#1 For me it feels a bit odd to exclude these from your WikiProject. For example an actor; is it better that movie freak or a triathlon freak write about their triathon achievements? My opnion is clear that the triathlon freak are better to write about it. Anyway, to exlude these is according to your scope. --Kslotte (talk) 13:48, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
#2 We need a better name then "Miscellaneous", it doesn't decribe much what it is about. --Kslotte (talk) 13:48, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
What about "Triathletes with other careers"? --Kslotte (talk) 13:52, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
#3 The category description has information related to WikiProject. I have read some guidelines that maintenance categories (include WikiProjects) and end-user categories shouldn't be mixed. Either should this be a pure maintenance category (WikiProject, hidden or some maintenance cat as parent) or a pure normal category for end-users. Ordinary user that only read Wikipedia don't know anything about WikiProjects. --Kslotte (talk) 13:48, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Kslotte, thanks for your work on this. I think having this category for maintenance is essential, as it gets tedious having to look at the same articles each time. This doesn't stop editors writing about someone's triathlon activity if it's relevant to his or her life.
I take the point that maintenance categories should be separated, so I'll look into making this a hidden category. In that case it won't matter if someone puts them (its members) into one of the normal triathlete subcategories, as long as there is some mechanism for reminding people who produce maintenance reports of its existence - if not a note on the parent category page, then what?
Regarding the name, I'm open to suggestions. My first thought was "Non-professional triathletes", or "Amateur triathletes" but it's quite possible that some of them could hold a pro licence while doing something else for a living - and we want to avoid anything that might appear derogatory. "Triathletes with other careers" isn't quite right, since it's possible that triathletes who are notable as such may also have another career.
--NSH001 (talk) 15:03, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Notability within the sport of triathlon

(Conversation moved from NSH001's talk page to generate more opinions)

I noticed you had updated the notability requirements to NSPORT to include a podium finish in any WTC Ironman and 70.3 race, not just the championship races. I would contend that with the pace and rate new races are being added (particularly for the 70.3 distance) that some of this is watering down the meaningfulness of placing in the top three. Just this past weekend there were four 70.3 distance race under the WTC brand. Additionally, I think this places some undue weight on the WTC brand and leaves it open to include podium finishes for any of the newly emerged Rev3 brand of iron/half-iron distance race. Thoughts? Perhaps this needs to be discussed within in Triathlon Project. Barkeep Chat | $ 19:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to start a section on WT:WPTRI (I'm feeling a bit lonely on there). I thought the previous version was too strict, since it would only allow 3 athletes of each gender to qualify each year, and didn't think that was what you had intended. I also wanted to include REV3, Challenge Series, and Abu Dhabi, but not until we had articles on them - it would look a bit silly to have redlinks in such a section! --NSH001 (talk) 20:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
You're right in feeling lonely since there may only be 2-3 active editors for the project (present company included).
Outside of ITU, I think it's hard to nail down what constitutes notable finish in a simple bulleted list or paragraph. Part of it is the race itself. Is the winner of IM Malaysia or China more notable than the winner of Wildflower or Challenge Roth? Abu Dhabi is an impressive win but the race is only in its infancy. I've seen a few age groupers/non-pros place in the top 3 at a 70.3 race. I think what makes a finish notable (within in the sport of triathlon) is a deep field of competitors. What about keeping notability for WTC races at the championship level and add qualifier list of "other" races - races that can stand on their own (or have the potential to) as a separate Wikipedia article? I think we should keep in mind the larger Wikipedia policy of WP:NOTE in mind. Barkeep 20:41, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed changes

I've been contemplating changing/updating NSPORT standards for triathlon. I've proposed the changes below as shown in italics. These are based on some conversations and AfD discussions I've come across while also keeping in mind the caveat "If the article does meet the criteria set forth below, then it is likely that sufficient sources exist to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." I'd appreciate any thoughts, opposition, or alternative proposals (if in fact changes should be made).

1.Have competed in Triathlon at the Summer Olympics or have had a podium finish at the Commonwealth Games.

(remove Pan American Games, which will fall under #3 below)

2.Have had an elite division top ten finish in an International Triathlon Union sanctioned championship event or in the final ITU Triathlon World Cup standings (prior to 2009 ) or the ITU World Triathlon Series standings.

(broader scope for those athletes who place in the top ten and will still likely meet the inclusion criteria, and reflects the ITU change from a single Olympic distance championship event to their triathlon series)

3.Have an elite level podium finish at an ITU Continental Championship.

(broader scope for those athletes who place in the top three and will still likely meet the inclusion criteria)

4.Have had a professional division top ten finish at the Ironman World Championship or at the Ironman 70.3 World Championship.

(broader scope, particularly since the WTC has added a point ranking system since the NSPORT standards were originally added.)

5. Have had a podium finish at the XTERRA Triathlon championships.

(remains the same as the international scope of this event and its series is not broad enough)

I think if a triathlete does not meet the standards here (e.g. an unknown age grouper placing in the overall top three of an Ironman series event, or a win at a Challenge event) they should be included only if they can meet the basic WP:GNG guidelines or if they fall under other notability guideleines. BarkeepChat/$ 15:08, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

(Just some quick thoughts before I go to bed.) This is a definite improvement on the existing criteria, and you could go ahead and make these changes, without prejudice to the following considerations. However, I'm not sure about excluding Challenge events (Roth is almost a world championship in itself, with ~500k spectators - plus my own view that the WTC needs a good dose of competition), or Abu Dhabi (highest prize money on the long-distance circuit outside Kona, I think). Also difficult to see how a winner of an Ironman event should be excluded. I really need to do some more research to refine these criteria, and compare them with other sports, to get a "feel" for the right level. --NSH001 (talk) 00:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
I largely agree with your points and would be receptive to adding/modifying the proposed standards to include that. My only concern is with the expansion of WTC, Challenge, Rev3, etc. events that there is the potential for dilution of the talent pool (at the pro/elite level). Here is what I'm thinking (and some of this borrowed from the Athletic/Track & Field).
6.) Has won an event that:
a. Has been the site of exceptional performances, records (bests), or an event that meets WP:GNG. (Would cover Roth, Abu Dhabi, Wildflower, Escape from Alcatraz, and any other event that is out there or has yet to be created)
b. Has a starting pro/elite field of 15 males or 10 female competitors. (the field sizes can be modified, but this would allow for any 70.3 race, but exclude those races where the pro field is minuscule)
c. It has been held over a unique course or distance consistently over a period of at least 5 years. (covers events like Norseman, number of years can be changed)
BarkeepChat/$ 14:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
This has been up for a month. If there are no other thoughts I'll update the NSPORT page. BarkeepChat/$ 16:55, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Yes, update NSPORT, including your condition 6). It's not perfect, but it's much, much better than the existing version, and it can always be modified as we go on. Just one legalistic small point: "unique" isn't quite right, since courses get modified all the time (such as the bike course at Roth, which seems to get changed every year because of road works; they've also changed the run course through the town). I'd say "over the same, or similar course". Good work, by the way. --NSH001 (talk) 20:04, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Maybe we can keep thinking about that last one. If we say "over the same, or similar course" for the last five years then all of a sudden my local sprint triathlon now could be considered a significant win (if I understand you correctly). I think the direction I was going for when I wrote that part was to include races that are noted more for their course, landscape, difficulty, etc. than the competitive field that races in them. BarkeepChat/$ 21:37, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Ahh, looks like I misinterpreted what you meant by "unique" (I took it as meaning "identical"). I had also interpreted your condition 6) as meaning 6a AND 6b AND 6c. I suspect you may mean something like 6b AND (6a OR 6c). Could you re-word to clarify? Thanks. --NSH001 (talk) 14:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, the more I think about (bare with me as my thoughts keep evolving), I'm more inclined to just have it state "Has won an event that has a starting pro/elite field of 15 males or 10 female competitors" which I think would capture all major non ITU/WTC races. I'll remove the rest because I think it can be open to interpretation, particularly with words like "exceptional" and "unique" and giving consideration to WP:BLP1E. If something falls outside of this it can be judged on a case by case basis. Additionally, we can have a separate: "Has set a record for a standard distance event or leg." Let me know if I'm missing something. BarkeepChat/$ 16:22, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
(belated response) yes, agreed. Good work. --NSH001 (talk) 11:55, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Notabilty criteria for triathletes

Just a note, for ease of reference, that these criteria can be accesssed using the following shortcut: WP:NTRIATHLON. --NSH001 (talk) 11:55, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox triathlete

Template:Infobox triathlete has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Magioladitis (talk) 14:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

ITU Triathlon World Championships

Shouldn't these articles from 2009 be names ITU Triathlon World Championship Series. As that is what it is? Globalwheels (talk) 22:58, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Even though this user has been banned I think a good discussion point has been brought up. I'd like to see if there is any other thoughts on this. I would be up for changing the 2009-2011 to read "20XX ITU World Championship Series" since that is how the ITU had referred to it. Additionally, all subsequent articles going forward be titled "20XX ITU World Triathlon Series" to reflect the recent ITU name change. BarkeepChat/$ 14:17, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes, agreed, obviously. --NSH001 (talk) 00:49, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Triathlon will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in triathlons. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:13, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Ironman Melbourne

Well, it's a little embarassing that the Germans have beaten us to an article on an Ironman event in an English speaking country... anyway, I managed to take photos of 12 of the top 13 finishers, would be nice to give Craig Alexander (triathlete) and Cameron Brown (triathlete) amongst others, some photos. pfctdayelise (talk) 12:13, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it's mostly just one editor on de:wp, but he's been gradually writing new articles for Ironman races over the past few years. See de:Kategorie:Ironman-Wettbewerb. He's also done some articles on 70.3 races de:Kategorie:Ironman 70.3-Wettbewerb, though most of them are still in subsections of de:Ironman 70.3. No reason why we couldn't do something similar, it's just not very high up on my list of wiki-priorities. Perhaps you'd like to help? In the meantime, you could add an image to the infobox on Crowie (easy - just use the "| image =" parameter) and to the medal table for Cameron (or better, set up a new infobox for him), which would be very welcome. Thanks for asking here. --NSH001 (talk) 17:20, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Oops, sorry, I forgot to include the link - [on Flickr]. I have a few shots of Alexander, none perfect, so if you have a preference let me know, or if anyone wants to transfer them themselves please feel free. pfctdayelise (talk) 11:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople

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