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i DID NIT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU HAVE DELETED dR sIBICHEN k mATHEW a lot o people have asked to keepit and the consensus was more to keep it. i didnot understand whyu deleted atleast can you restore to myuerpg soi can work on it.(Harishrawat11 (talk) 01:43, 3 November 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Congratulations[edit]

Well done with Paramount Television Network. Sorry I was preoccupied with other matters and couldn't pitch in. The article looks terrific and well-deserving of its new FA status. Best, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 18:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats on the FA. Nicely done! :) - NeutralHomerTalk • 14:48, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Paramount Television Network[edit]

After taking a look at the page, I was just about to nominate you for a WP:Four Award, but you would need a DYK for the page to earn it. Have you done a DYK for Paramount Television Network? If so, I can nominate you for a Four Award :) - NeutralHomerTalk • 07:21, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okie Dokie :) I had just learned about Four Awards and wanted to nominate someone for one :) Congrats none-the-less on the article :) Take Care Dude - NeutralHomerTalk • 22:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you're into sauropods....[edit]

here's a must read for you :) Long, boring, but a "deal-breaker", 'cause it has all you ever need to know and cite (I hope).

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/123397084/HTMLSTART

PDF here: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/123397084/PDFSTART HMallison (talk) 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Message from Darren Tanke[edit]

Hello Firs,

Darren Tanke here. I owe you several thanks. Thanks for when my page was looking like it was going to be taken down and you fought the good fight for it and thanks for the protection put on my page. This is why I write now. About a week ago I noticed a sentence "training summer staff....." had been changed to "potty-training summer staff......". This was the only instance I saw, was there others? If so please let me know. I have done some preliminary investigation of the IP address of the person who added the "potty" comment and so far can confirm it is from someone within my museum. I suspected a colleague in my work area on a shared computer added the rude comment, so from that computer added an update to my page, regarding the preparation status of horned dinosaur skull (TMP 2005.055.0001). Once that ended up on Wikipedia I checked the edit history section found that the IP address was different than the "potty" author. So it seems it is someone else within my museum. If there are other rude changes to my page and these have IP address signatures, I'd be grateful for the date and IP address of these infractions as I will be dealing with this shortly if I have successful resolution as to the identity of the person(s) responsible. I am certain on a government computer where one has to sign in and the times of that are recorded, we should be able to resolve the problem by exposing the perpetrator. Prefer to communicate via hotmail if you don't mind as I am not entirely comfortable with this mode of communication. Also would like to send a photo of me that could be uploaded to my page if that is OK- have seen it on others pages where living bios are given. Thanks again, Darren 75.154.87.86 (talk) 01:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Darren. I've replied via e-mail. Let me know if you don't receive the message. Firsfron of Ronchester 02:44, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

re Coahuilaceratops[edit]

check the external link in my edit you removed. It's all there, and more besides. Technicallly the publication is in a week, but it's all there in the press release.

Coahuilaceratops /Bolesey.

--Bolesey (talk) 04:17, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anatotitan ‎[edit]

Understood & sorry but we will all Speak the Same ENGLISH one day...

Bombing of Yawata[edit]

Hi, Thanks for taking the time to comment on this FAC. I've responded to your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bombing of Yawata (June 1944)/archive1. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 00:08, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Stand-alone lists (television). Taric25 (talk) 02:01, 21 June 2010 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})[reply]

AfD nomination of Hail Satan (book)[edit]

An article that you have been involved in editing, Hail Satan (book), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hail Satan (book). Thank you.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PBSKIDS[edit]

Hello Firsfron, thank you for your contributions on articles related to PBS Kids. I'd like to invite you to become a part of Wikipedia:WikiProject PBSKids, a WikiProject aimed at improving the quality of PBS Kids articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page for more information. Thanks!

Hi Tbhotch,

You recently accepted this edit from an IP user. This edit is not correct, and has been reverted. Firsfron of Ronchester 21:53, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1st, this was like 5 hours ago, 2nd, was reverted within minutes, 3rd, I'm human. TbhotchTalk C. 22:43, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know you're human. Please do not approve edits which you're unsure of. Thank you. Firsfron of Ronchester 01:28, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is that I saw [this edit only I didn't notice about his/her change. TbhotchTalk C. 01:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Philippine Cable Channels Remove Agian and Agian Part 3[edit]

Hello Firsfron, after Active Banana another user Wikipedical is currently removing Philippines Cable and DTH Channels Article like SkyCable, Global Destiny Cable, Cablelink, Dream Satellite TV, G Sat, Cable Star Iloilo, Royal Cable, Cignal Digital TV, Telmarc Cable, Kalibo Cable, GV Broadcasting Systems, Inc., Parasat Cable TV and SPC-New World Cable TV among others due to unvalid reason taken from NOTDIR which is not mention about TV channels itself. I'm so upset why he removed the channel line up from the Philippines except other Asian and World cable and DTH provider still display their channel line up to present time in their respective article, but Wikipedical invite them to his/her Talk Page to clarify the issue. Please help! --Puppyph | Talk 13:26, 04 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With another visit from the "Aachenoraptor" partisan, is there something more effective that can be done to dissuade this? The user has the ability to hop IPs. Visits are every few days, so the disruption is sporadic. The persistence is interesting; I don't see any indication that this is an internet meme, and it's obvious that people aren't going for it, as four different editors have reverted. Is this a case for semiprotection or pending changes? J. Spencer (talk) 23:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NTA Film Network Reference[edit]

I noticed on the WPCW page that this reference for the NTA Film Network (which you added awhile back to a few other pages) has been marked as a dead link. Wanted to bring it to your attention so you could find a new link for the reference. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods. Take Care...NeutralhomerTalk • 22:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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That edit was a misclick; I thought I was reverting something else and undid it without looking. Thanks for telling me. Bart133 t c @ 05:20, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Incidentally, I've created a section in the talk page about the paragraph in question, because I've reached 3RR removing it. I don't think the numbers are useful even if reliably sourced. Bart133 t c @ 06:03, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pit Bull page[edit]

The number 0.000004% comes from dividing the number of reported victims to the U.S. population. Both are sourced. As the policy of Wikipedia is that simple calculations like division that a 'reasonably educated person' can complete are not considered individual research. Individual research would involve complex math such as the normal distribution of a sample or the standard deviation. Stating the percentage of the population killed in a pit bull attack is as easy as 12/305,000,000. [[1]]

I only added the link to the discussion page simply to demonstrate the calculation to make it easier to verify. If it's confusing I can remove the link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwightlathan77 (talkcontribs) 05:55, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All I did was simply add a space after the first reference. I probably should have given a better description though. Kaiser matias (talk) 17:47, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help me?[edit]

Hey,

I need your help with reverting a page move, User:T1T1T1T1T1T1T1T1T1T1 spitted up Nickelodeon (Netherlands & Flanders) into Nickelodeon (Netherlands) & Nickelodeon (Belgium) but this is incorrect. As you know i can't change the name back to Nickelodeon (Netherlands & Flanders) the right way because that is still a redirect. Can you look at it for me? I hope you can/want to help me! Greatz W.G. | W.G.'s user talk 12:45, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since you gave no reason why you removed the PROD tag on this article, I have sent it to AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Carfax 400 broadcasters. Black Kite (t) (c) 07:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replaceable fair use File:Doris Iowa.png[edit]

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Change in Barcelona Players category[edit]

Hi, I don't know how to add La'Roi Glover to the Barcelona players category. can you do this ?. Thanks

"Tyrannosaurid IVPP V4878.JPG" image update[edit]

Excuse me that you had to wait for the editing for so long time (see here) . I hope you are satisfied now. Conty, 09:27 16 October 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conty (talkcontribs) 07:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episodes[edit]

Please weigh in on Talk:List of The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror episodes#Inclusion of episode segment links, so we can generate a consensus. Thanks, Fixblor (talk) 09:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contributing illustrations for paleo articles[edit]

I'm an artist interested in contributing illustrations to articles which require them.

At the moment I'm trying to learn how to get started - I assume that I should do my research, create the illustration and submit it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Dinosaurs/Image_review

Is that correct? Anything else I should know?

--Dannykeat (talk) 06:32, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Project Iowa news[edit]

Hi, you are receiving this notice because you are a member of WikiProject Iowa. I hope I you will take the time to check out the developing division called Communities (pre-named and previously red-linked). Keep up the good work.
Please click on the links in the GOOD NEWS notice.
In addition to the standard message above, I just have to tell you I like the look of your talk page. And I see you are an administrator and want to know if you are involved in evaluating articles for class advancement to B or A-Class? Or can you tell lead me in the right direction. I have been editing on Wikipedia only for a short time. RifeIdeas Talk 23:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Liopleurodon[edit]

To Firsfron,

You must get this a lot, but I was wondering why you are not allowing Charlie the Unicorn to be referenced in the Liopleurodon's "In Popular Culture" section. Normally a ban like this would include a statement of rationale, which I could not find. I would just like to understand why such a ban is in place.

Thank you, Sorpresa03 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sorpresa03 (talkcontribs) 20:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Firs. I've noticed that this page hasn't been updated for a long time - is there any chance you can run the bot on it? Cheers! : ) Spawn Man (talk) 10:32, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. How have you been? : )

(butting in) it was betacommand who did the first incarnation, and then Franamax did it for another one I asked for at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Fungi/fungus_articles_by_size. So we need to find someone new I think as betacommand is not allowed to use bots I think. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I have NO idea what you just said lol, so I'll leave it to you. ; P Spawn Man (talk) 11:03, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Help me[edit]

I will work in your wikipedii, please check up my errors Газдюк Юхим (talk) 11:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT articles in Brazil[edit]

Hello! In FEBRUARY, in the Supreme Federal Court of Brazil will be aproved the *SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN BRAZIL* ([2]), and the pages LGBT rights in Brazil and Recognition of same-sex unions in Brazil need of you. Because will generate a heavy traffic on these pages, and we need you to help in the English spelling of these pages, you understand me? Please help me. Hentzer (talk) 12:00, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Ambassador Program is looking for new Online Ambassadors[edit]

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I hope to hear from you soon.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 21:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Out[edit]

Hi, Firs;

Thank you for the kind message! I should clarify: I'm not leaving entirely, only de-affiliating. I'm just looking for a change, I guess. J. Spencer (talk) 23:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, saw this because I have Firsfron's talk page on my watchlist, I hope I haven't contributed to any bad feelings through the Hypsibema discussion[3]? If so, I apologize, and again, if my style of discussion seems confrontative, it's not meant to be, its just ingrained in me from years of arguing on talk pages of articles about Middle Eastern conflicts. So bear over with me, it's in my DNA, heheh. FunkMonk (talk) 00:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Funk;
No, I'm not mad at you, or at anyone else, at least not to the extent that I'll still be mad later. There are a lot of things going on, but it boils down to just wearing down over time. There's a lot of WP and not much of me. J. Spencer (talk) 01:11, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad to hear that! And I hope all will turn out alright, it's pretty certain you've single-handedly made the public more aware of the qualities of hadrosaurs! FunkMonk (talk) 12:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the work you did on this page. It's a terrific little history of a fascinating subject. Thanks. — HarringtonSmith (talk) 11:21, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Molybdomancy[edit]

Your personal knowledge of the subject article is interesting but not pertinent. If the subject article is not a hoax, then surely you or some other interested editor can add a single authoritative reference. In its present state, I am considering posting the article for deletion. Cheers!Jarhed (talk) 03:01, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jarhed, you tagged the Molybdomancy article as a "blatant hoax". It is certainly no such thing. That is why I removed the tag that you incorrectly placed on the article. Please do not tag articles as "hoaxes" without doing some investigation first. That is absolutely "pertinent". You are welcome to open an AFD debate on this article, but I don't believe anyone will agree with you that this article is a "hoax". Clearly, the tagging was done in error. I only happened upon the article while doing routine CAT:SPEEDY clean-up. Firsfron of Ronchester 04:54, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that, but blatant hoax appeared to be the correct category for a speedy delete. I looked around enough to know that nothing authoritative appeared to be available. Anyway, have a great day.Jarhed (talk) 20:25, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar[edit]

The Copyeditor's Barnstar
I hearby award this Copyeditor's Barnstar to Firsfron for knowing the difference between it's and its, and editing accordingly. You rock! --Fang Aili talk 21:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Firsfron, how's it going? :) --Fang Aili talk 21:10, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

jumped the gun[edit]

Talk:Ohio/FAQ is actually in use. only Ohio/FAQ was vandalism. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 02:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your use of rollback[edit]

Hi, as a long-time administrator, you should know not to use rollback when you're not dealing with vandalism. I've made specific requests for page numbers, which are legitimate maintenance requests. Instead of doing that, why don't you provide the page numbers instead? Thanks. howcheng {chat} 16:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're asking for page numbers for web citations. Can't provide page numbers for web citations. Firsfron of Ronchester 16:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Have you even seen the reference? It's a PDF of chapters from a book. It has page numbers. Please don't make me look through all 20 pages of the PDF to try and find the citation. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 17:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

mystic roots[edit]

hello.... i am the founding member of the band, Mystic Roots. At the encouragement f our fans i created a Wiki entry. but then you deleted it... why?

Cootdog (talk) 08:40, 18 April 2011 (UTC)coot wyman (coot@mysticroots.com)[reply]

deletion of article Patrick Quigley[edit]

Hi, just getting back to you on the deletion of this page. PQ is cited on Mark Jackson's page as the NBA star's high-school coach. I thought that was sufficient cause to include him, especially since there are numerous articles on high-school sports. PQ had a long career with an important Catholic brooklyn high school and coached in the prestigious Five Star basketball camp, which is also cited in several articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eponymous-Archon (talkcontribs) 00:50, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rescue tag[edit]

In the future, if there's a rescue tag on a page when you remove the AfD header, if you could also remove the tag, it would be appreciated. It saves someone else having to remember that it's there and remove it themselves. SilverserenC 02:48, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, sorry to bother you about this one so soon, but I'd like to ask you to reconsider your decision to close it as a 'keep' rather than a 'merge'. In my opinion, there were a large number of direct !votes for merge, plus [I count...] 5 'keep' !voters who expressed satisfaction with the prospect of a merge. Now, if you take those figures and then go through the inappropriate 'keep' !votes and strike the ones which provide no policy basis for deletion ("They're central to this seasons MythArc," being the classic example here!) I think that there is actually a very passable consensus to merge. Do you have any thoughts on this? Best, ╟─TreasuryTagvoice vote─╢ 08:20, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering how long it'd take you to post here. DRV is thataway...Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering how long you'd take to follow me here, poke your nose in where it's not wanted and make misleading comments. WP:DRV requires me to "attempt to discuss the matter with the admin who deleted the page." Are you seriously telling me that you're not aware of that? ╟─TreasuryTagcollectorate─╢ 08:29, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi TT,
Since a few comments have already been made to my talk page regarding this deletion discussion, I'm going to comment here instead of on your talk page, although I usually do it the opposite way. I did notice during the discussion that you were really adamant about not retaining this article; I genuinely expected a message from you when I closed the discussion as a keep. TreasuryTag, I am absolutely certain that you have the best interests of Wikipedia in mind by vigorously debating the merits of this type of article. However, I count 52 edits made by you on the deletion discussion. That's about 1/4th of the combined total edits for the debate. While some of your arguments certainly have merit, and indeed are more valid than some of the "keep" rationales, I can't agree that the final consensus was for merging, despite your 49(!) comments there arguing for deletion. You came off as quite aggressive during this debate, and I'd ask that you try keep your temper in check during these discussions, even when you know you are in the right. It also appears that during the discussion you were discounting sources like this (you wrote, "The Daily Mail is similarly scratching-the-surface-but-not-being-significant"), but several of these sources, like The Mail, do indeed cover the subject in a significant way. I'm not in the habit of tallying up rationales, but there was a clear indication during the discussion (complete with links) that the consensus was that reliable sources independent of the subject exist for this topic. I'm afraid if you really want this article deleted or merged, you will need to go to WP:DRV.
As far as Cas goes, I don't believe he is hounding you; he's had my talk page watchlisted since about mid-2006, and I welcome his comments on my talk page. Please assume a little more good faith of your fellow editors, TT. :) Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester 09:29, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While I am always pleased to receive feedback about my conduct from someone I've never encountered before (not sarcastic – it is a genuinely helpful outside view), my "aggression" or otherwise shouldn't influence the totting up of consensus in the debate of course. I'm afraid I will indeed be taking this to DRV, in hope of a 'merge' close. I'll probably get it done sometime this afternoon, please take this as your notification. Best, ╟─TreasuryTaginternational waters─╢ 11:28, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hypnotized (Fleetwood Mac song)[edit]

Regarding your closure of this AfD as 'keep', I was looking for some kind of rationale or reasoning behind it and found none. I don't much see the point in having an AfD if it is then closed with no explanation given. Presumably you didn't just do a head-count, so you must have found notability. Can you enlighten me as to that notability and how it corresponds to the notablility guidelines? Thanks. Bretonbanquet (talk) 10:29, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response, I appreciate you explaining your rationale. I can't help but disagree, as you might expect(!), with the interpretation of WP:NSONGS. All the versions of the song by notable artists are: Fleetwood Mac/Bob Welch, Pointer Sisters and Sweet Baby J'ai, who changed the song so much as to credit herself with it. I don't think that amounts to "several". The award was given to Bob Welch rather than the song itself, for two songs, the other of which was released as a single twice and so received considerably more airplay. I don't mean to cause any further fuss, I just wanted to explain my view that the song appears to meet the notability guideline in an incredibly tenuous, obscure way, if at all. The references, besides Allmusic, are surely trivial - if they're not trivial, I don't know what is. Anyway, thanks again, I'm just disappointed that the guideline doesn't really stack up. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 13:17, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again. I agree that the definition of "several" will vary from user to user. This suggests to me, and another user in the AfD debate brought it up as well, that WP:NSONGS could do with some tightening up and rewording, to further clarify the level of notability a song requires. As it stands, with a little bending room on the interpretation, a huge number of songs qualify, and for bands like Fleetwood Mac, most of their songs qualify, certainly everything they wrote between 1975 and 1988. I suspect this isn't the desired effect of the guideline, so maybe it could be worked on. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:54, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Welldone Firsfron,[edit]

I am very grateful to you Firsfron, for pointing the differences between it's and it on the articles i worked on,welldone.Earlymen message me! 03:52, 01 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

White Latin American[edit]

Hi Firs, do you think you might be able to give a more detailed analysis of how you have weighed the arguments. I am concerned that most of the keep votes are not actually adressing the deletion rationale, but are reacting to other arguments that I have not made. I would be interested in knowing which arguments on the pro and contra side you see as being valid.·Maunus·ƛ· 21:45, 1 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Firs, thanks for the very detailed analysis of the arguments. I can see that part of the problem was with my argumentation, as I didn't provide sources to back up many of my claims. I will be sure to do that another time, thanks for obliging me in doing this. It is always nice to come to an undersanding of the reasons why someone else doesn't agree with what is obvious to you. Thanks!·Maunus·ƛ· 11:58, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Africa[edit]

Please consider reopening this AFD, I beleive it was closed a bit soon. The references mentioned (which have been added to the article) are questionable. The references provided appear to be the result of a "lets find the name mentioned in Google News hit" with little regard to whether the subject of this article is the focus of the reference. If the AFD were reopened, this could be discussed among participating editors in more detail. Thanks for the consideration.--RadioFan (talk) 21:46, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AfD[edit]

Hello Firsfron, I’m the creator of the Samuel Koranteng-Pipim AfD. Would you kindly explain the reason or rationale behind the decision to delete the AfD? Was the decision based solely on the relative merits of the arguments for notability advanced by the “keep” and “delete” editors in the discussion? Will the article be undeleted if a more exhaustive google search provides evidence that the subject is noteworthy? Thanks for your help.HopeAfrique (talk) 04:14, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nielsen ratings[edit]

Please read my comment in Talk:Nielsen ratings. 85.65.69.166 (talk) 17:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have responded here. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 19:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have responded there too. As for the 03-04 season, please try loading [4] again and give it some time. It is not a dead link, and I can see it. Best, 85.65.69.166 (talk) 04:40, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New Iowa articles[edit]

Howdy Firsfron, I am from Iowa and I patrol all of Iowa communities both those with existing articles and those newly created. I can do this by a special search setup at Special:RecentChangesLinked/User:RifeIdeas/All_Iowa_Communities (take a look there are 1855 active articles in the list and another 1050+ potential articles). Because of this I have noticed you creating a few new articles about Iowa's unincorporated communities in the last month or so, THANKS. I wish I had time to create new articles but I find that in just watching for vandalism and removing bad information involves a lot of my time. I then try to improve existing articles. I also have been developing a division of WP:Iowa for communities that you can see at Wikipedia:WikiProject Iowa/Communities which I hope you look at and consider joining. There is much information there and it is growing.

My reason for contacting you is to ask you to add just a couple of additions to what you are doing already. In the Discussion page I am asking that you add a more expanded and updated template for WikiProjectIowa and add the template for WikiProjectCities. Also please could you include the class and importance information. I updated Talk:Alpha, Iowa already as an example, see Alpha Discussion page changes. This one change would help a lot as it would add the article to the communities division information gathering system. Additionally in the Alpha, Iowa main article I added a few more parameters (some for future use, some used right away) with information and references and a push pin map system to the {{Infobox settlement}}. Also I added the Portalbox Iowa. You can see these at Alpha Article Infobox changes To be clear, I do not want to put you off of creating new articles as these are just suggestions.

One last comment, I recently learned myself that when it comes to the unincorporated communities in Iowa there may be more than one place with the same name, just in different counties. This is the case with Paris, Iowa which can be seen when you do a Query at the GNIS website, or although I will not claim 100% accuracy as it is a work in progress you can look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Iowa/Communities/UnincALL CITIES. I think this will require a renaming of these articles to include the county (although this is a new area of editing for me).
I prefer not to have fractured conversations, therefore I will watch your talk page for the duration of this conversation.
Again thanks and keep up the good editing.--RifeIdeas Talk 04:38, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Intransa Page[edit]

Hello, I was trying to edit the Intransa page, but it looks like it was deleted due to many reasons. Mainly due to the fact that the page only referred to page form the website, as well as having a username that evoked conflict of interest. I tried going through the undeletion process, but was denied restoration. I was told that I should address you since you are the one that deleted it. I also posted a version of the edits I would like to make to the page on my userspace. Any comment are welcome since I would like to see this page be posted. This company is growing fast has made a significant impact on the security and surveillance industry, and is also partnered with major corporations. Please let me know,

Cbroomhead (talk) 15:21, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Firsfron. You have new messages at HopeAfrique's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

This editor when I give an argument or less than desirable (from his point of view) response by me, he says I am uncivil. He also makes claims to Wikipedia rules that don't exist as far as I can tell: must discuss all article name changes or splits and a interested editor rule that "disallow" their vote in a merger vote. The acculumating "tif" is over a merger of Marvel Entertainment Group (MEG) and Marvel Entertainment (ME). MEG and ME are the immediate past and current parent company of Marvel Comics (Marvel Publishing). ME was formed from the merger of MEG and ToyBiz and original when by Marvel Enterprise. Toy Biz, Inc. was the surviving corporation in the merger. He invokes the Common Name rule to discuss a merger and the fact I didn't discuss a split, calls me an "interest editor" as I split MEG and ME thus my "vote" doesn't count. I point out that earlier entities (Magazine Management, Timely Comics, Atlas Comics (1950s), Toy Biz) are currently commonly consider/called "Marvel" as are other subsidaries, imprints & divisions of MEG & ME (Marvel Animation, Marvel Productions, Marvel Studios, Marvel Comics, etc.). Also, I point out that there is BOLD rule and Autopatrol status, so approval via discussion is not hard and fast. I also point out that he is an "interest editor" as he had problems disambig. between the articles and started Timely and Atlas articles with out discussion by challenging him to show where he complied with this "rule". I told he if he is going to call his side the winner that he would have to merge all these articles into one. He just merge MEG/ME, so I point out that he did merger the additional articles as point out. He then claims I am uncivil, don't know what Wikipedia's about and then name calling. He is also uncivil in his edit summaries on Marvel Entertainment:

  • (cur | prev) 00:19, 11 May 2011 Tenebrae (24,906 bytes) (More merging as per talk-page consensus, more c/e fixes of the atrocious grammar and footnoting)
  • (cur | prev) 00:10, 11 May 2011 Tenebrae (24,855 bytes) (Continued merger and copy edits. All the present tense that was here is bothersome -- was any of this lifted verbatim from some present-tense source?)
  • (cur | prev) 23:26, 10 May 2011 Tenebrae (First pass at merging per merger consensus. Also taking the opportunity to fix atrocious grammar and spelling -- appears to have been edited by non-English speaker.)

Do you mind stepping in to this situation? I am tire of these rule gamers. I left Wikipedia as an editor once due to rule minipulation and "meat" puppetry (ie. purposely ganging up on me) and more. Spshu (talk) 23:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response. I was hoping that you would point out that his so called rules are false or at least twisting of the rules. As I have pointed out to him but he will not respond to any thing indicating that his rules do not exist nor respond to a request for their existance. Nor will he indicate where he complied with his own rules. He acts like he is 100% right as he thinks a administrator will absolutely side with him.
As far as his "Kudos" to some one else may look like some one willing to work with me. But he does not want to work with me as feels he has the authority to dismiss me from the merger discussion. Nor does he recongize me as "a very knowledgeable editor when it comes to piercing corporate veils," dismissing the fact that Toy Biz/Marvel Toys (and other articles) based on being the same corporation & current common name should be merged too if we follow his opinion on WP:COMMONNAME, which would be difficult to read. Additional, his original attack me as uncivil when I tried to [User_talk:Tenebrae#Marvel_Comics|clarify where I meant an edit should go]. Granted I am not a great communicator but he doesn't assume good faith.
There is really no recent discussion as I ponder what to do next. The most recent discussion (or lack there of) are here: merger proposal and then here: Merger in progress.Spshu (talk) 13:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He, Firsfron. Admin Athaenara months ago signed off on the merger noted above, here, after the proposal was posted for over a week on three pages, including two Project pages, and three editors supported the merge, with only User:Spshu opposing.
Sometime after the merger consensus, Spshu reverted the merger without notifying anyone, and today says you approved this with your comment here. I'm not sure he's accurate in saying that; all I see is your note for us to remain civil in our discussions, but nothing overturning Athaenara's signoff. I'm sorry to bother you at this late date, but could you clarify? With thanks, --Tenebrae (talk) 19:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Fox and List of programs broadcast by Fox Kids[edit]

I've just marked this ANI thread as being resolved, as there seems to be no need for any admin intervention and dispute resolution should be used. I would very strongly encourage you to tone down your comments - comments such as these and these are needlessly uncivil and don't contribute to resolving the disagreement. Nick-D (talk) 05:38, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Intransa article page[edit]

Hello Firsfron, I finally got around adding some sources to this article...I added some sources that I found on the web that weren't post or linked to their official website. Please let me know what you think, and if the sources provided are sufficient enough to establish notability. Thanks Cbroomhead (talk) 18:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, it's me again. So I did a few modifications, including adding some of your suggestions. I also was wondering about posting some pictures to the page. I was going to just google some images, and insert them in. Is that going to be problematic? Thank you so much for helping me. Cbroomhead (talk) 21:58, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]


When can I move the article to the article page? and do you think its ready? Also, I believe the article space has been blocked off, and the administrator has to unlock it. Cbroomhead (talk) 23:58, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

The Writer's Barnstar
How many articles!
John Troodon (talk) 09:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Response: TV Schedule[edit]

Good night, Firsfron. Maybe by reintroducing my edit on the 1959-60 primetime T. V. schedule I took a reputation of being somewhat hostile, but I thought that at first making the older schedules look like more recent ones would provide some help, but I found that it was better to keep some things short to interest not only an specific group, but or everyone in the web, and that's the main principle of Wikipedia. Now I'm thinking to start a wide discussion regarding this article, so the users can decide about keeping the old edit, or the one I did. Send me your response about setting a discussion as soon as you can. (Rodrigo Araya P. (talk) 01:15, 12 July 2011 (UTC)).[reply]

Plateosaurus FAC nomination[edit]

[5] :) HMallison (talk) 22:43, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Merry Christmas![edit]

Firsfron, I hope you have a Merry Christmas and hope your day is full of the true spirit of the day.
Plus, good food, good family and good times. :) Have a Great Day! :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 00:54, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
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Orphaned non-free image File:AnatotitanWWD.jpg[edit]

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk) 06:17, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that you created this redirect about four years ago. Yes, this genus of beetles lives! A redirect would be nonsense, redirecting to a fish genus, and thus hurt the project. Yet deletion of the page would also hurt the project, as virtually all genera of living creatures are notable. Bearian (talk) 17:49, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MSU Interview[edit]

Dear Firsfron,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the communityHERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
  • All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.


Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your nameHERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chlopeck (talkcontribs) 23:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:T-rex skull 5.png listed for deletion[edit]

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Main page appearance: Iguanodon[edit]

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Sculpture of an Iguanodon, displayed in Germany

Iguanodon is a genus of ornithopod dinosaur that lived roughly halfway between the first of the swift bipedal hypsilophodontids and the ornithopods' culmination in the duck-billed dinosaurs. Many species of Iguanodon have been named, dating from the Kimmeridgian age of the Late Jurassic Period to the Cenomanian age of the Late Cretaceous Period from Asia, Europe, and North America. However, research in the first decade of the 21st century suggests that there is only one well-substantiated species named I. bernissartensis, that lived from the late Barremian to the earliest Aptian ages (Early Cretaceous) in Belgium, between about 126 and 125 million years ago. Iguanodon's most distinctive features were its large thumb spikes, which were possibly used for defence against predators, combined with long prehensile fifth fingers able to forage for food. Named in 1825 by English geologist Gideon Mantell, Iguanodon was the second dinosaur formally named, after Megalosaurus. A large, bulky herbivore, Iguanodon is a member of Iguanodontia, along with the duck-billed hadrosaurs. (more...)

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Just saying "hi"[edit]

Was buzzing around my talk page and saw your name - thought I'd just drop by to say "hi". After over a year of research, mostly sporadically, I recently updated the History section of KECY-TV with some reliably-sourced content. Best wishes, and congrats on all those GA and FA articles you wrote or contributed to! dhett (talk contribs) 06:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi![edit]

Hey bro,

How are you? Long time no see. :D

Regards,

Spawn Man (talk) 13:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Neutralhomer & subchannel[edit]

Neutralhomer is on the warpath about subchannels and attacking me again on my talk page (threatening to block me) and on at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television Stations. He was taken to ANI over the issue which showed he lied in a previous argument and his bullying me (over the years) and other editors but was rejected as a "content dispute". If you are around please help. Spshu (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Broadcast syndication[edit]

Hi, I posted a reply (with some more questions) to your explanation on [6] bit since most of that discussion took place quite a while ago I could imagine you wouldn't notice. so I hope you don't mind me drawing your attention to it. PS: sorry for misspelling your user name. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 10:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have added you to Missing Wikipedians[edit]

Just to let you know (I am supposed to - this is what it says). Ottawahitech (talk) 23:53, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maarten Boudry[edit]

I'd appreciate a copy of the deleted page on my talk page so I can work on it elsewhere. Proxima Centauri (talk) 13:18, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A cheeseburger for you![edit]

thank you so much.i will work on it and it surely meet your guidelines on notability. Harishrawat11 (talk) 05:23, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CAN I RE INTRODUCE MY ARTICLE.[edit]

sir, can i reintroduce my article Sibichen K Mathew with only relevant points and having established notability.(Harishrawat11 (talk) 02:46, 6 November 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Hi Firsfron! I would like to update certain aspects in the Massospondylus article, if I'm allowed to. May I ask you to take a look for grammar and revert everything you are not happy about? Thanks, --Jens Lallensack (talk) 15:14, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Its ready now. Tried not to blow up the article as much. Best, --Jens Lallensack (talk) 14:38, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a while[edit]

It's awesome to see you back! Abyssal (talk) 01:27, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

States[edit]

Thanks! I actually spent most of the year writing those offline and in user space. And yeah, I'm going for the record for most simultaneous DYKs. The current record is 30 simultaneous articles, while my nomination has 54; the states, DC, a summary article, a history of local paleontology, and the country's prehistory. The nomination review is going good so far and the whole series should be eligible soon for its day on the main page. :) Abyssal (talk) 11:19, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What record? Abyssal (talk) 15:16, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. Abyssal (talk) 15:55, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, my reviewer is looking around for some extra eyes at the nomination page if you wanna help. Abyssal (talk) 11:39, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I'm sure User:Cbl62 will appreciate the helpAbyssal (talk) 06:53, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Massospondylus[edit]

thanks - and I will check M. out. Jens is a very good author, I am sure it will be fine. HMallison (talk) 19:36, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for the comments at the FAC. I was wondering if you felt yourself able to take a position on whether the article should be promoted to FA, or whether you have further comments?--Wehwalt (talk) 11:41, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Dinosaur[edit]

You are a better diplomat than I am. Thanks for joining the conversation. de Bivort 06:18, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I got rather agitated formulating my replies in that discussion. Hope it wasn't too conspicuous. Had to take the page of my watchlist. de Bivort 06:51, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Psittacosaurus is a genus of psittacosaurid ceratopsian dinosaur from the Early Cretaceous Period of what is now Asia, about 130 to 100 million years ago. It is notable for being the most species-rich dinosaur genus. Nine to eleven species are recognized from fossils found in different regions of modern-day China, Mongolia and Russia, with a possible additional species from Thailand. All species of Psittacosaurus were gazelle-sized bipedal herbivores characterized by a high, powerful beak on the upper jaw. At least one species had long, quill-like structures on its tail and lower back, possibly serving a display function. Psittacosaurus is not as familiar to the general public as its distant relative Triceratops but it is one of the most completely known dinosaur genera. Fossils of over 400 individuals have been collected so far, including many complete skeletons. Most different age classes are represented, from hatchling through to adult, which has allowed several detailed studies of Psittacosaurus growth rates and reproductive biology. The abundance of this dinosaur in the fossil record has led to its use as an index fossil for Early Cretaceous sediments of central Asia. (Full article...)

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Re: Yewtharaptor[edit]

Hi, Firs;

Thank you for the deletion. Usually Yewtharaptor's articles are just completely inaccurate, which can be fixed, but that one was all somebody else's work. J. Spencer (talk) 17:23, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:Elephants_dream_.28DVD_cover.29.jpg[edit]

The discussion preceding the speedy delete tag started at Wikipedia:Non-free content review#File:Elephants_dream_.28DVD_cover.29.jpg. The trouble is, per WP:NFCC the cover is not discussed critically by anyone (and the DVD isn't the subject of the article), so its use as non-free isn't merited, since a free frame of the CC film itself could replace the DVD cover. --Lexein (talk) 15:15, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]